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Leeds Sovereign Street & Clarence Dock - a UK based layout

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 6:23 AM

SpaceMouse

A nature writer once described a red squirrel as a cross between a Tasmanian Devil and whatever that is on Trump's head. 

 

I bet he has never seen a red squirrel, or a Taz,  or even Trump's head.Smile

Taz and President Trump are not as calm an placid as  a red.Laugh

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:30 AM

As promised.   Overall views of the layout.

Leeds Sovereign Street Station looking towards The Calls Junction & Crown Point Yard.

 

Crown Point Yard looking towards the main road.

 

More to follow.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:41 AM

Roseville Station at the front.  Timber Yard and rest of Crown Point Yard.

 

Marston's Scrap Yard  looking towards the timber yard.

 

The small industrial estate with Wyndham Farm and Canal Corner behind

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:53 AM

Finally two views of Clarence Dock

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:04 AM

My reference etc. library.   Not just railroads, but my other interests in transport etc,  road trasport, trams, buses canals and ships & shipping. Big Smile

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:14 PM

As lad I used to see trains running through overgrown scenery.  Hardly anything was 'perfect'.   Being on a train and branches of trees 'thwacking' the side of the coaches;  even on the windows.

The lines on the  Sovereign Street layout have become a secondary route  and when running diesels  local services rule.  There  are times when trains are diverted onto the line.   There is an air of neglect.  Long grass is evident and nature is slowly taking over.

Class 47 47515  Andrew Carnegie on a diverted Doncaster to Leeds Central passes Marston's Yard.   Picture taken from the control area.

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Sometimes trains are hard to see, but I know they are there.   A Leeds Central to Dewsbury Market Place DMU waits at the signal.  (In the distance beyond the scrap yard.)

 

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 3:36 PM

Your layout is quite dense, isn't it?

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, October 22, 2020 2:34 AM

David,

Your layout is amazing! There is so much to see! As Chip suggests, there is a lot going on but none of it looks 'forced' to me. The scenes are quite believable.

Cheers!!

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, October 22, 2020 5:13 AM

Thanks for your comments Dave & Chip.

All around the layout are things that interest me and my grandchildren have asked for to be included.  Also I wanted things to be different to other UK modelers.

Sovereign Street  was predominantly  a warehouse area with a tram depot nearby.

(Now in 2020 the area is expensive apartments.)

Crown Point Yard was a more shopping area.  Not malls but individual stores.

(Now 2020  the yard is a huge Mall.)

I wanted an area of layout  to be trees and bushes.  Most of it is part of the backscene.

I wanted a scrap yard.  Not one like every other I have seen.  Hence the small rail scrap yard.   As far as I am aware I am the only person that has built one.

My oldest grandson wanted somewhere to play with his (and mine) cars and road vehicles.  Therefore a small industrial estate was built.

A canal and canal boat was made at Canal Corner.  Every other layout I have seen that had a canal, had locks on it.   I just wanted a quiet scene.

Wyndham Farm building was a must purchase from my local model shop/store.

As mentioned previously I wanted a dock area.   Clarence Dock is only two miles away from Crown Point in real life.  Therefore  Clarence Dock is being built.

(Now 2020 Clarence Dock is named Leeds Dock and the warehouses are expensive apartments.)

Yes the layout is 'busy'   but everything has a reason to be there.  I do not like the scenery to be 'cut perfect'.  Grass is not one colour There has to be 'fifty shades of green'.  Trees are all shapes and sizes.  Nature at its best. Big Smile

Happy modeling

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, October 22, 2020 6:02 AM

 Still working on the backscene at Clarence Dock. Some of the buildings were actually there before being demolished.   A case of compression and compromise. 

 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:28 AM

SpaceMouse

Your layout is quite dense, isn't it?

 

The way much of the UK railway network actually is.

Unlike much of North America, the railway system in the UK (and much of Europe) was punched through existing development. People being what they are the development "grew back" around much of the railway system. It can be very easy to get pretty close to railways in the UK , handy for trainspotting. 

In fact, so close, I clearly remember, from my childhood in the SE of the UK, the dreaded third rail and the stark warning signs (similar to those marking the interconnecting carriage doors in the "chube" in London : "warning, risk of death"). 

The European red squirrel is not at all like our very aggressive and noisy "red " squirrel. He is a mild mannered chap, bright red fur with tufted ears. Ours is more of a brown colour and perpetually annoyed.

Do I see a rhododendron near those squirrels?

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, October 22, 2020 9:56 AM

Cool!

Apparently Washington is where George Washington's ancestors are from.  Last time my wife and I were over to the UK, 2014, we visited the A19 Model RR club in Jarrow with a bunch of friendly members.  They most of the railroads were US type and a number of the members had made railfan trips to the US.  We even got a ride back to South Shields in a Cadilac Escalade left hand drive, imported from the US by one of the members.  Quite a big car for the roads there!

We also visited Jon Grant, in Sunderland, who is quite the talented modeler with several railroads in his basement.  Most of the model RR's we saw at the club are US style

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:58 AM

Lastpikemike.   There are signs all over the rail network to keep away from the track.  Apparently some idiots cannot read.

The 'rhodedendrons' are  from the Pound store. (Everything costs a Pound).  It comes in the shape of a ball.  By pulling the 'flowers' out of the ball  I can make small flowers growing in the scenery.  Painting them different colors I have different flowers. Smile

riogrande.   I used to be a member of a Model Railway Club in Sunderland. (Not far from Jarrow)   Then my travels began.    Now, as my wife is disabled due to the Novichok nerve agent and can hardly walk. I have to be near her at all times.  Therefore I cannot be a member of a club.  Washington used to be a little village, but now is a town of around 80,000  people.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, October 23, 2020 6:07 AM

My final purchase of London, Midland & Scottish Railway  (LMS)  locomotives.

A Coronation Class locomotive,  6220 Coronation.

Two pictures of her on her first run on the layout.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, October 23, 2020 7:12 AM

Holy crap!  Novichok!  Is that the same thing Putin's cronys used on the Scripal's?  How in the heck did that happen.  My sympathies to you and your wife.

Back on-topic.  Having been to north England a couple of times, it looks like you've capture the dense brick buildings and the look quite well!  You've got talent!

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Friday, October 23, 2020 7:34 AM

This one:

https://www.hornby.com/uk-en/shop/locomotives/locomotives-by-class/princess-coronation-class.html

I wonder how many North American railfans (trainspotters in plain English) realize  that streamlined British locomotives wore two sets of "clothing"?

The first time I saw my German friend's Marklin steam locomotive (HO scale rather than OO) I noticed the difference in external clobber hanging off the "boiler", as for American locomotives.

Take the streamlining metal off a British steam locomotive and it's still pretty clean looking by comparison. 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, October 23, 2020 8:42 AM

riogrande.  Wife caught Novichok in St Petersburg.  A long story with a month on life support plus  -.  Five years and still learning to walk.

Some of the brickwork on the buildings/backscenes still need some attention by making them smoky black.  At least they are a true represetation of Leeds  warehouses.

 

Lastpikemike.   Here is a picture of a Princess Coronation Class locomotive  without the streamlining.    Lady Patricia

 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Friday, October 23, 2020 9:11 AM

Thanks for the photo. Now you can put the streamlining back on.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:51 AM

[quote user="Lastspikemike"]

Thanks for the photo. Now you can put the streamlining back on.

Wink

Heck NO!!Laugh

 

One of my interests is the restoration of  the Medway Queen;  a paddle steamer.  Built in 1924.  Requisitioned by the Royal Navy.  Made seven trips to Dunkirk rescuing troops from Dunkirk. After the war made Pleasure Trips on the south coast.   Falling into disrepair she is now being restored to her former glory at Gillingham Pier.

As a way of attaining funds towards her restoration  the Preservastion Society commission railway wagons for sale.  I have a few.   Sometimes if I feel like it Clarence Dock becomes Gillingham Pier.

 

Some old pictures of wagons bought from Medway Queen P. S.

 
 
 
 
 
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Posted by Lastspikemike on Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:36 PM

I lived for around a year near the river Medway. Played in the marshes hat provided the setting for the opening chapter of Great Expectations. Also, played on the local RAF field and in the shore battery. We were always very careful crossing the British Army firing range to get to that shore battery (which I now realize was abandoned at the time, but we saw the bullet holes and were sure we heard shots fired....)

Old ships are a great interest of mine. I try to visit the preserved ships whenever  I'm over the Pond.

So far: Cutty Sark (before the fire), Great Western, the Victory and other ships in Portsmouth harbour, Mary Rose (not very preserved of course) and the Gondola on Coniston Water (now powered by a little Welsh locomotive steam engine). 

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, October 24, 2020 7:28 PM

NorthBrit
Wife caught Novichok in St Petersburg.  A long story with a month on life support plus  -.  Five years and still learning to walk.

David,

I am so sorry to hear about your wife! What a terrible thing to have happen. Dianne banged her head in October 2019 and it was six months before she was back to normal. I can't imagine what it is like to be dealing with something like this for five years and counting.

We wish you well!

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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:36 AM

Lastpikemike.   My main interest in ships and shipping is cruise ships.  Apart from going on cruises I get  to be invited to look around ships  and I take photographs of them.   I like paddle steamers and have traveled on PS Waverley and am helping (financially) to restore  'Medway Queen'.

Dave.   Thanks for your concern.   It's just a thing we have to get on with  and keep positive.   Other people are in far worse positions. 

 I am glad that Dianne is now better.  We need our 'soul partners' to keep us on the right track. Laugh

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Posted by NorthBrit on Thursday, October 29, 2020 3:18 PM

I have not been 100% lately.  The doctor  has given me a course of tablets and told me to take things easy.  (My kind of doctor. Laugh)

Anyway,  I was cheered up when a couple of items arrived in the post for me.   Some nameplates for some engines and a pack of signals.

A couple of photographs of the layout.  ----

A view of T & J Harrison,  small arms and ammunition loading dock.   It is a view not seen anywhere looking from the control area.   On the dock are boxes of small arms and ammunition  waiting to be loaded on the next wagons to arrive.   

 

Here is a view of two of the new signals.  The tall one is so the locomotive crews can see the signal well before the footbridge.   The signals now need to be 'bedded in' to the ground.

More to follow later.

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, October 30, 2020 6:53 AM

 

A short history lesson. Surprise attacks against other Countries are very rare.  In 1909, five years before the start of WW1,  British Railway Companies were asked to build Ambulance Carriages/coaches in the eventuality of a war.  In 1912 there were Military Manouvres on the east coast in preparation of a war from a country 'across the sea'.   Britain was at war against Germany in 1914.

In 1936 Britain started a massive rearmament program  to be ready for war in 1941.  WW2 started in 1939 and Britain was ill-prepared until 1941.

Back to the layout.  WW1 Nurses on practice outside Leeds Sovereign Street.

 

 

 

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, October 30, 2020 10:36 AM

Nice layout, David! 

I missed this thread until today. Don't know why.

Some of your diagrams and photos don't load - there just the broken image icon instead. Do you store photos on a subscription-reqired website?

Looking forward to seeing more!

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, October 30, 2020 10:45 AM

Pruitt

Nice layout, David! 

I missed this thread until today. Don't know why.

Some of your diagrams and photos don't load - there just the broken image icon instead. Do you store photos on a subscription-reqired website?

Looking forward to seeing more!

 

Hi Mark.   I have gone through all the photographs I have posted and all are showing okay?   I have posted them through Flikr.

Which ones are not showing at your end?

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Posted by York1 on Friday, October 30, 2020 11:33 AM

Very sorry to hear about your wife's difficulties.  Horrible.

I really enjoy your photos.  You have some great scenes set up on the layout.

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, October 30, 2020 4:46 PM

NorthBrit
I have gone through all the photographs I have posted and all are showing okay?   I have posted them through Flikr.

Which ones are not showing at your end?

Hi David,

The track plan from page one of the thread doesn't show up, and the two in the post that starts out "Still working on the backscene at Clarence Dock" (here's the link to the first of those, if it helps: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50515278263_7936a04692_c.jpg). Also the image in the post starting "My reference etc. library" doesn't show up.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:01 PM

I hope the missing pictures now show. 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:40 PM

In 1914 at the outbreak of WW1 the British Government asked Companies to build railguns to protect coastal towns on the East Coast.   The North East Railway Company  (NER)  built a railgun in one week.    Leeds Kirkstall Forge built one in ten days (KF1)   Here is a model of the gun.  I built it from the chassis up.

 

 

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