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Building a Livery Stable (Done)

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, September 7, 2020 2:53 AM

Thanks Kevin.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, September 7, 2020 1:15 AM

The finished model looks "right", and it is a beauty.

Nice job.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, September 6, 2020 10:04 PM

doctorwayne
I'm surprised that you didn't build the roof as a separate removeable assembly, which would allow access to the interior any time that it might be required.

Experience is that thing you get right after you need it.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, September 6, 2020 9:51 PM

SpaceMouse
...I told you I found out I didn't have yellow static grass and ordered some to make hay bales for the loft. It was due to come next Wednesday so I could not install the hay bales in the loft through the open roof. Well, they came early, right after the roof was on. I managed to get one hay bale in and some loose straw.

You've made good progress, Chip, but I'm surprised that you didn't build the roof as a separate removeable assembly, which would allow access to the interior any time that it might be required.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, September 6, 2020 4:22 PM

Pruitt
Care to build me an icing platform? I need one about six feet long.

I still haven't gotten around to building my 18" icing platform. 

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Posted by Pruitt on Sunday, September 6, 2020 8:11 AM

You work fast, Chip!

Looks really good.

Care to build me an icing platform? I need one about six feet long.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, September 6, 2020 2:54 AM

[quote user="rrinker"]f eating so many popsicles is a bad idea for your waistline, you can buy boxes of them (and wood stirrers) and get a ton of raw material for cheap.[/railroad ties]

I got 1000 popsickle sticks at some art/hobby store in Pittsburgh. I got 2000 coffee stirrer's on Amazon. What hasn't come up yet, is that I got a bunch of yard stick thick rulers from that same hobby store for tressels, and I can thank Home depot for all the paint stirrers that are going to become railroad ties to use for filling out Fast Tracks turnouts instead of using their laser cut jigs.

rrinker
 You really should write one of these up as an article. Probably not the Bear Whiz Brewery one though (or use a different name  I mean, I like the name, magazine publishers might not). You have a knack for telling a story, and making it look like anyone could duplicate the project. 

I actually wrote an article for the very first issue of Model Railroad Hobbyist. Joe was probably desperate. I'll think about it. 

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, September 6, 2020 1:50 AM

 Chip's models are like those classic "Dollar Model" articles from back in the day. And if accounting for inflation, probably are no more expensive. Yet the results are amazing.

If eating so many popsicles is a bad idea for your waistline, you can buy boxes of them (and wood stirrers) and get a ton of raw material for cheap.

 You really should write one of these up as an article. Probably not the Bear Whiz Brewery one though (or use a different name Big Smile I mean, I like the name, magazine publishers might not). You have a knack for telling a story, and making it look like anyone could duplicate the project. 

                                        --Randy

 


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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, September 5, 2020 7:11 PM

SpaceMouse
I'm declaring it done.

Hi Chip,

It came out really well! The added details will make a great scene!

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, September 5, 2020 4:35 PM

Thanks!  I'm learning how to do some neat things in your posts.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Saturday, September 5, 2020 4:31 PM

York1

I glanced through the posts, so if you mentioned this -- sorry.

What material did you use for the roof?

 

It is black construction paper spray painted with gray primer. You sand the paper with 100 grit to scratch it and fray the edge. The tears are done by gently scraping with the side of your exacto knife. 

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, September 5, 2020 4:09 PM

I glanced through the posts, so if you mentioned this -- sorry.

What material did you use for the roof?

York1 John       

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Saturday, September 5, 2020 3:50 PM

York1

That is a nice piece of work.  It's impressive, and even more so since it's made of stirrers and popsickle sticks!

 

Thanks John and Peter

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, September 5, 2020 3:22 PM

That is a nice piece of work.  It's impressive, and even more so since it's made of stirrers and popsickle sticks!

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Posted by HO-Velo on Saturday, September 5, 2020 3:12 PM

I like it and look forward to seeing your rustic scene come together.  edit:  Forgot to mention how deterioratingly nice I find your roofing material to be.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Saturday, September 5, 2020 3:05 PM

I'm declaring it done. I will probably take a couple of days to situate it on the layout. It will need a shelter for the horses, a trough, a tack shed, a fence, a buggy for rent in the front, and a dog peeing on the buggy. Plus it will need various pieces of rope and leather, a guy working leather on the workbench, and a a guy on a wagon handing hay up to a boy in the hayloft. Just a week of work, more or less.

I told you I found out I didn't have yellow static grass and ordered some to make hay bales for the loft. It was due to come next Wednesday so I could not install the hay bales in the loft through the open roof.

Well, they came early, right after the roof was on. I managed to get one hay bale in and some loose straw.

Well, the next project will be a retail lumber outlet. This one was a fun build. 

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, September 4, 2020 9:54 PM

SpaceMouse
I did a Google search of 1890's eavestroughs and I'm not going to duplicate them anytime soon. Most are carved out of a single piece of lumber with a semi-circular channel running down the middle. I decided I wasn't going to figure it out on this particular barn.

I hear you! I spent some time searching the scale wood suppliers to see if anyone still made 'U' channels in HO scale but I couldn't find anything. The best I could suggest is to glue an 'L' shape of the proper size to a fascia board, but I could see that being a huge exercise in frustration.

Besides, who's going to notice that there aren't any eavestroughs?

Keep the creativity coming!

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Friday, September 4, 2020 8:36 PM

I did a Google search of 1890's eavestroughs and I'm not going to duplicate them anytime soon. Most are carved out of a single piece of lumber with a semi-circular channel running down the middle. I decided I wasn't going to figure it out on this particular barn.

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, September 3, 2020 8:51 PM

SpaceMouse
Now I have to figure out what an 1890's eavestrough looks like.

I suspect that a small town livery stable would have had wooden eavestroughs, maybe with a liner of some sort to reduce the leakage. They could be tricky to make in HO.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, September 3, 2020 8:17 PM

hon30critter
Okay, I just learned something about barn construction! I wondered why it was so thick. I know plenty about residential roofing but I've never worked on a barn. I should stick to what I know. Dave

BowBowBow You convinced me. Now I have to figure out what an 1890's eavestrough looks like. I bet I'm going to be sorry I did. The guy would use the water for the horses. 

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, September 3, 2020 7:56 PM

SpaceMouse
Dave--Did they use eavestroughs on barns in the 1890's?

I'm not certain about barns specifically, but eavestroughs were pretty common at that time. They often fed into a cistern where the water was stored until needed.

SpaceMouse
That's not the facia, by  the way, it's the rim joist. The roof extends another eighth of an inch.

Okay, I just learned something about barn construction! I wondered why it was so thick. I know plenty about residential roofing but I've never worked on a barn. I should stick to what I know.Embarrassed

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, September 3, 2020 7:40 PM

SeeYou190

There was a time when I was quite a good writer.

Then about 15 years ago I took a position that required my to write 100% factual and use no unnecessary adjectives.

My writing became bored and mechanical. I am trying to improve, but it seems all my creative writing juices have fermented and gone sour.

-Kevin

 

If you want to write, and you don't have to by the way, you just start writing. It will come to you as you write and pretty soon you'll be back on track. 

Dave--Did they use eavestroughs on barns in the 1890's? That's not the facia, by  the way, it's the rim joist. The roof extends another eighth of an inch. I'm thinking since angling it was easier, that's what this guy woud have done.

I'll think about it until tomorrow. 

That's right-- Suprise! Embarrassed--I didn't finish. I was going to hang in there 'tll the very end, but I didn't want to rush some of the fun stuff. I have about 3 hours of work time before I have to make my weekly Wally World and other places shopping run. 

No picture either. Anything I take will just be a spoiler.

Besides, I'm just burnt out for the day.

See ya tomorrow.   

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, September 3, 2020 2:42 AM

SpaceMouse
Before I even started I realized I was going to have to plaint the walls first. Actually, I only needed to paint the wall where the additon was going, but I got really involved in it. 

Hi Chip,

The contrast between the fresh paint on the addition and the faded paint on the original building is superb! What a neat detail!

Can I make one small suggestion? Your fascia boards are on an angle. In reality, fascia boards are perpendicular to the ground. That is so eavestrough can be mounted on them. Perhaps consider mitering the ends of your roof trusses.

I scratchbuilt a couple of structures with the fascia on an angle before I realized that I couldn't install the eavestrough properly. Even if you don't plan on installing eavestrough, the roof line will look better IMHO. Not a big deal.

By the way, it's probably not worth trying to correct them. I tried to do that on one of my buildings (styrene) and ended up with nine stitches and a permanently numb index finger tip as a result!DunceBang HeadGrumpy

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:46 PM

There was a time when I was quite a good writer.

Then about 15 years ago I took a position that required my to write 100% factual and use no unnecessary adjectives.

My writing became bored and mechanical. I am trying to improve, but it seems all my creative writing juices have fermented and gone sour.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 9:02 PM

I don't suppose I should tell you that my day job--more like, I hit it pretty hard 3-4 months of the year--is writing. I was actually got advanced degree in writing. I taught it for a while, and wrote a lot of articles as part of my business, but I didn't really get into doing what I wanted to do until 2008 forced me into early retirement.  

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 8:40 PM

SpaceMouse
the lighting was such that the walls looked like they were painted by Matisse working through dry heaves.

That is the best descriptive text I have seen in quite some time.

Big Smile

The building is wonderful.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 8:07 PM

hon30critter

Hi again Chip,

I like what you are able to do with simple materials like coffee stirrers.

Dave

 

Dave--Thanks.

David--I don't think I've ever used white glue on a layout. I use Elmer's Wood Glue--the yellow stuff. But you make a good point about white glue.

So I built the addition. Before I even started I realized I was going to have to plaint the walls first. Actually, I only needed to paint the wall where the additon was going, but I got really involved in it. 

I took a bunch of pictures of it, but the lighting was such that the walls looked like they were painted by Matisse working through dry heaves. Luckily, my wife took the thing outside and put on our wheel barrel--standing up against the wall. And she was able to take a pretty passable picture. 

Hey look. You can see the hay loft ladder just below the right-most ceiling joist. No one else will ever see it. 

Tomorrow I just have to build the workbench area which will be coming off the beam on the right wall. I also didn't get around to building the doors for the front opening and for the hayloft. And of course I have to do the roof. Should finish tomorrow as planned. 

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Posted by davidmurray on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 2:44 PM

Chip:

White glue, Elmer's, LePages's, etc are water based, and therefore water soluble.  Thats why many of us pur ballast down that way.   YELLOW carpenters' glue is not water soluble, therefore better for what you were doing.

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 1:33 AM

Hi again Chip,

I like what you are able to do with simple materials like coffee stirrers.

Dave

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