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How Long to Leave in the Mold?

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How Long to Leave in the Mold?
Posted by RideOnRoad on Friday, February 27, 2015 9:17 AM

I have been making my first Hydrocal castings and have a simple question--what is the optimal amount of time to leave it in the mold before removing? As a follow-up, what is the harm in leaving it in the mold for an extended amount of time? (I have already learned the problems of removing it too soon.) As always, thanks in advance for anticipated sagely advice.

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Posted by JoeinPA on Friday, February 27, 2015 10:00 AM

Plaster gets wram as it sets up and I was taught that you should wait until it is no longer warm to de-mold it. This has worked well for me. I have had no trouble with castings that sat in the mold for an extended period as long as a suitable mold release was used prior to pouring the plaster. You can also wait until the plaster begins to set up somewhat and place it against a surface where you want your rock casting to adhere. There is a nice discussion this in the  thread about "which is the best plaster"

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Posted by trainnut1250 on Friday, February 27, 2015 2:50 PM

I like to put the mold in place on the hardshell and wait until it gets warm.  I then remove the mold at that point.  I like to dunk the molds in water and clean them before the plaster sets up completely.  In my experience, If the mold has lots of detail chunks of plaster will get caught in it no matter what you do.  It is eaiser to remove these while the plaster is not fully cured.

 

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Posted by NP2626 on Friday, February 27, 2015 5:19 PM

I remove the casting from the mold after and hour or so.  

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Posted by selector on Friday, February 27, 2015 9:04 PM

NP2626

I remove the casting from the mold after and hour or so.  

I haven't done a plaster of hydrocal mold in quite some time, let's say eight years, but I recall that the instructions say to leave the item for at least an hour.  I waited for about two or three, but never found that I needed any longer.

On an only-somewhat-related subject, if you are affixiing your plaster molds to already extant ground goop or plaster cloth terrain, you are miles ahead by placing them before the terrain has dried.  This applies to plaster rock molds or to another batch of mixed ground goop...add it to the previous surface BEFORE that earlier surface dries!!!  Otherwise, you'll lose a lot of water wicked into the dried previous surfaces, and your newest pour/plaster won't cure so well as a result of the water loss.

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Posted by NP2626 on Saturday, February 28, 2015 6:02 AM

selector

 

 
NP2626

I remove the casting from the mold after and hour or so.  

 

 

I haven't done a plaster of hydrocal mold in quite some time, let's say eight years, but I recall that the instructions say to leave the item for at least an hour.  I waited for about two or three, but never found that I needed any longer.

On an only-somewhat-related subject, if you are affixiing your plaster molds to already extant ground goop or plaster cloth terrain, you are miles ahead by placing them before the terrain has dried.  This applies to plaster rock molds or to another batch of mixed ground goop...add it to the previous surface BEFORE that earlier surface dries!!!  Otherwise, you'll lose a lot of water wicked into the dried previous surfaces, and your newest pour/plaster won't cure so well as a result of the water loss. 

 

I never did this as I guess I found it difficult to get that coordinated with the construction process.  I would cast anywhere from 4-8 rock molds at a time as that would use up all the  hydrocal I mixed up.  Then, let all my castings set-up in the mold and peeled them out after an hour or so.  I would mix up some Sculpt-a-Mold, (SaM) wet out the areas on the hard shell where I was going to place castings, smear the area with the SaM wet the backs of the castings and apply them to the area with the SaM.  The SaM firmly holds the casting in place and then I would carve the SaM to blend the edges of the castings.  I would guess Ground Goop to work in a similar fashion as SaM.     

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Posted by CTValleyRR on Saturday, February 28, 2015 6:48 AM

selector

 

 
NP2626

I remove the casting from the mold after and hour or so.  

 

 

I haven't done a plaster of hydrocal mold in quite some time, let's say eight years, but I recall that the instructions say to leave the item for at least an hour.  I waited for about two or three, but never found that I needed any longer.

On an only-somewhat-related subject, if you are affixiing your plaster molds to already extant ground goop or plaster cloth terrain, you are miles ahead by placing them before the terrain has dried.  This applies to plaster rock molds or to another batch of mixed ground goop...add it to the previous surface BEFORE that earlier surface dries!!!  Otherwise, you'll lose a lot of water wicked into the dried previous surfaces, and your newest pour/plaster won't cure so well as a result of the water loss.

 

There is an easy solution to this, which is to spray the area with wet water prior to application of the new plaster.

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Posted by bogp40 on Saturday, February 28, 2015 8:07 AM

If you're unsure of your bond for a hardened casting, mix a small batch and butter the backside . any oozing is not a problem as it can be removed, carved or used to place "bits" aroung the casting for blending. I will place a partially hardened mold and allow to conform to any irregular shape of the base. Some additional holding in place is usually needed to firm up.

A hint, dry fit or get a very good idea as the the placement of castings before "plopping" them in place. A feel of the type of casting, type rock, strata etc. This is to eliminate that popped on patchwork look, individual or broken bits can be fitted to your satisfaction.

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Posted by selector on Saturday, February 28, 2015 11:06 AM

CTValleyRR
 
selector

 

 
NP2626

I remove the casting from the mold after and hour or so.  

 

 

I haven't done a plaster of hydrocal mold in quite some time, let's say eight years, but I recall that the instructions say to leave the item for at least an hour.  I waited for about two or three, but never found that I needed any longer.

On an only-somewhat-related subject, if you are affixiing your plaster molds to already extant ground goop or plaster cloth terrain, you are miles ahead by placing them before the terrain has dried.  This applies to plaster rock molds or to another batch of mixed ground goop...add it to the previous surface BEFORE that earlier surface dries!!!  Otherwise, you'll lose a lot of water wicked into the dried previous surfaces, and your newest pour/plaster won't cure so well as a result of the water loss.

 

 

 

There is an easy solution to this, which is to spray the area with wet water prior to application of the new plaster.

 

Yes, although I never did like going to all that effort and time.  I have done the pre-wtting, but only when I couldn't manage to get to the previous pour in time.  My method has been to do large batches added to other large batches so that I had several hours, even over-night, to come back and apply molds or to add yet another adjacent batch.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, March 1, 2015 11:57 AM

OK, ITH AS BEEN TN THE MOLD LONG ENOUGH ALREADY!   TAKE IT OUT!

 

 

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Posted by RicZ on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:09 AM

What is the best mold release agent?

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Posted by JoeinPA on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:25 AM

Don't know what's "best" but I've had good luck using wet water for my rubber molds and PAM kitchen spray for my solid molds.

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Posted by RicZ on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:33 AM

Since Woodland Scenics molds are rubber, albeit heavy rubber, I assume "wet water" would be better than PAM.  It is too bad Woodland Scenics does not provide more information with their products.

Wouldn't PAM leave a residue that would interfere with painting?

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Posted by JoeinPA on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:22 PM

I only use a very light spray of PAM and I only use it on solid forms (ie those made out of styrene or wood). I have not had any problem with the PAM treated molds transferring enough mold release to the plaster castings to interfere with either staining or painting. As I mentioned in my earlier post I use wet water for rubber molds (both Woodland Scenics and home made ones from latex rubber.)

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:18 PM

If it turns green and fuzzy, then it *is* Moldy.

 

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