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Ogden & Cache Valley RR - Layout Construction

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 1:52 AM

Onewolf:

Without wishing to belabour the point, could you have used a double curved turnout towards the end of the curves close to the existing double crossover and then a simple right hand turnout where the double crossover turnout is? I recognize that the radii of the two curved tracks might be larger than a double curved turnout.

I'm not being critical of your design. I'm just asking the question for the sake of my own edification.

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, July 9, 2017 3:18 PM

carl425

I am a strong believer in doing what you want on your own railroad, so feel free to ignore the following opinion, but in case you care about the nickpicking visitors you'll have to your layout in the future...

A double slip switch?  This is an extremely rare piece of trackwork usually found only in congested urban terminals.  I would think it highly unlikely that in wide open Utah where the RR has all the room they need and then some, that they would use a double slip.  Even ignoring the fact that there is plenty of space available for a more traditional arrangement, why would they use such a high maintenance piece of trackwork in a remote spot where crews would have to travel so far to keep it working?

I usually keep such observations to myself, but this just doesn't fit in with the level of quality you've put into the rest this impressive layout.

 
Dutifully ignored.  Big Smile
 
While the UP may have had vast quantities of space to implement 'the prototype' I have relatively very little and even less canvas since this is a redo of the original design.  It's not like UP used #8 and #6 turnouts either.  :)
 
The double slip provided an elegant (IMHO) solution to crossing over a double track mainline in minimal space.

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Posted by carl425 on Sunday, July 9, 2017 10:54 AM

I am a strong believer in doing what you want on your own railroad, so feel free to ignore the following opinion, but in case you care about the nickpicking visitors you'll have to your layout in the future...

A double slip switch?  This is an extremely rare piece of trackwork usually found only in congested urban terminals.  I would think it highly unlikely that in wide open Utah where the RR has all the room they need and then some, that they would use a double slip.  Even ignoring the fact that there is plenty of space available for a more traditional arrangement, why would they use such a high maintenance piece of trackwork in a remote spot where crews would have to travel so far to keep it working?

I usually keep such observations to myself, but this just doesn't fit in with the level of quality you've put into the rest this impressive layout.

I have the right to remain silent.  By posting here I have given up that right and accept that anything I say can and will be used as evidence to critique me.

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:24 AM

I took about two months off from the layout construction to deal with purchasing a property in TN, and then prep boat/trailer/dive gear/UW photo equipment/etc for two weeks vacation in Marathon in May and then 'paycheck' work got extremely busy late May and all of June. I started back on the layout construction about two weeks ago.

When I needed to purchase more Foamular rigid insulation sheets for above the upper return loop Home Despot was out of the 3/4" sheets so I bought/used 1" sheets. The 1" sheets are much stiffer and they had some 'bowing' that I could not eliminate when I glued them down. Therefore I had to make 'cuts' through the slight rises in order to flatten them for track laying. You can see the 'cuts' beyond the turnouts.



Using caulk to smooth out the rough foam.



When I originally designed the layout I wasn't sure whether I was going to model the Union Pacific from Pocatello towards Butte or the Oregon Short Line from Ogden to Cache Junction and the Cache Valley branch line. Since I chose Ogden/OSL/Cache Valley I subsequently redesigned the double track mainline as it leaves the Ogden yard closer to the prototype.

Before redesigning and rebuilding the mainline track as it exits the Ogden yard where the single track mainline represents the OSL.



Theorizing how a #8 right hand and #8 double slip switch might work to provide a turnout leading into the Oregon Short Line.



After pulling up the old track and foam road bed.



Gluing down the Woodland Scenics foam roadbed using DAP DynaFlex 230.



I used the opportunity of laying another mainline track to flatten out a slight hump in the homasote for the existing mainline track.



Working on laying the new inside mainline track.



Installing the 'inside' mainline track.





Gluing down the new Oregon Short Line mainline track.





The new double track mainline as it runs behind what will be the turntable/roundhouse area.



I finished caulking the edges/seams of the lower and middle level foam and painted them to hide the purple/pink foam insulation color. I also began DRY placing the service spur track in these areas to see how I like their 'look'. I also painted the bracket that supports the middle level shelf. I need to install/paint the brackets for the other two corners.



I am using Micro Engineering code 70 track and Micro Engineering code 70 #6 turnouts for the service spurs. I still find the Micro Engineering track to be extremely difficult to get smooth flowing curves (compared to the Atlas and Peco flex track).



The 'right' mainline track is electrically isolated with a 16" stretch of 'dead' track and will be setup as a DCC programming track. The 'left' mainline track is electrically dead to minimize chance of locos running off edge of layout. :)



Closeup of the OSL interchane Walthers #8 double slip turnout.







The outskirts of Brigham City will be located on the left.



I finished laying the track and turnouts for Franklin Idaho at the end of the Cache Valley Branch above the mainline upper return loop. I still need to fill in missing ties where flex track joints are.



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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Sunday, July 2, 2017 5:54 AM

Everything OK? It's been quite a while since you last posted. 

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Saturday, June 10, 2017 4:40 AM

Amazing layout, I've thoroughly enjoyed every post! It's been a while, can you give us an update? 

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Posted by superbe on Monday, April 24, 2017 11:00 AM

Magnificent layout but when I see it I can't help but think of the track painting and ballasting. 

That's when the fun Big Smile will begin.

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Posted by wickman on Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:03 PM

amazing

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:26 PM

Starting to work on the next upper level wall panels. Patching/fairing/sanding and then primer/paint.



I have six sections of track in the lower/middle levels around the center platform where turnouts on the mainline connect with service/spur track that will be mounted directly to the foam base. They require transition sections of roadbed to drop down from the 3/16" Woodland Scenics 'mainline' foam roadbed. I use cork roadbed for these tapered transition sections and they are 24-26" long. I will add caulk at the end of the cork to finish the transition.



After I painted the next (right) section of upper wall panels.



It looks much better (finished) looking with the ugly pinkish panels painted room wall color.



I painted another section of the upper level wall panels. They are on the left as you enter the room.





I also painted the raw cut edge of the plywood base roadbed of the upper return loop and the perimeter 2x4 risers that support the plywood/foam base of Franklin, Idaho above.



Eventually I am going to have to decide what color I am going to paint the fascia masonite. It will probably either flat black, dark brown, or dark green.



The (sort of) visible portion of the upper return loop and staging track loops. It's not visible when standing on the floor in the main aisle.

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:34 AM

I've painted some of the wall panels that drop from the ceiling the room wall color 'Gauzy White'. On the right side here I have attached a strip (pink) on the end cap that I need to caulk and paint.  The view from the entry door while on a 3ft step ladder:



I plan to install 1" trim molding along the top of the wall panels at the ceiling joint to hide the gaps.



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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, April 6, 2017 6:33 AM

Looking good onewolf!  It's nice to see the painted panels going in to give a more finished look to the layout fascia's etc.

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Posted by Onewolf on Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:03 PM

I finished patching/fairing/sanding/fairing/sanding the screw holes and seams. Wiped it down with a damp rag and now it's ready to prime.



This is the current proposed template for the helix control/display panel.



After 2 coats of primer. All of the 'pink' wall panels will be eventually painted the same color as the room walls and the helix enclosure: Sherwin Williams "Gauzy White" SW6035.



2 coats of primer. I use two coats of Zinser primer on the masonite because the Masonite is very dark and it has a glossy finish.



After painting the enclosure the Sherwin Williams SW6035 'Gauzy White'.





I have removed these (removable) backdrop panels in order to paint their backsides the Gauzy White wall color.

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Posted by Onewolf on Monday, April 3, 2017 1:26 AM

Starting to work on enclosing the helix. First I installed additional wood framing for mounting the 1/8" masonite panels.



This is where the helix display/control panel will be mounted.



I mounted additional vertical 2x4s to provide more support for achieving a smooth curve of the 1/8" masonite panels.



All the 1/8" panels are mounted andnow I'm working getting the screws counter-sunk appropriately in order to patch/fair them.







First step of patching/fairing the screw holes and seams.





The helix as viewed thru the opening where the helix display/control panel will be located.

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Posted by Geared Steam on Sunday, March 26, 2017 9:42 AM

You're building my dream layout and obviously a very busy man, but may I suggest you continue to chronical this build for a possible future book release from one of the model railroad publications? From architect drawings of the garage/layout room and workshop to operations and final photos.

I would buy it in a heartbeat. 

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Posted by wdw3082 on Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:07 PM
Hello Ogden. I live in Seminole County.Winter Springs to be exact and yes i do work for a Mouse. 35 years.
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Posted by Onewolf on Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:21 PM

I have finished installing all of the track that will service Ogden (and connect with the staging yard in the model workshop). This area on the right will be a highrise downtown city scene with large buildings up to 40"-44" tall.



I combined two Downtown Deco 36"x2" warehouse 'flat' kits along the wall as a proof of concept. I plan to have about 14-16 ft of narrow depth/flats warehouses/industries along that stretch of wall.This combined warehouse kit is 72" long.





There's plenty of space along the wall for more structures/flats.





I ran a 12ga track power bus and a bunch of track feeders for all the track in the city. I also connected to the track in the model workshop, and I was able to run trains in/out of the model workshop form the main layout room.

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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, March 19, 2017 5:02 PM

BMMECNYC
Many modelers like to see in progress layouts as well as completed ones.

Onewolf:

FWIW, I would love to be able to see works in progress like yours. There is so much to be learned for those of us who are starting a layout, whether it be a first layout or the third!

Dave

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, March 19, 2017 3:09 PM

After caulking the seams and painting the foam base. This paint color (Nightingale gray) is mostly to just hide the purple foam but it will also provide some color for underneath the track that will be installed directly onto the foam.



The city of Ogden will be built above the lower return loop and 5 staging tracks .



I installed 1.5" tall masonite fascia along sections where I want access to the lower return loop underneath and 12" tall fascia where I can access the double track mainline from underneath the benchwork.





The tunnel portal for the double track mainline and entrance to the lower return loop will be located somewhere around here.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 18, 2017 8:39 AM

Onewolf
 
BMMECNYC

Onewolf,

Just out of curiosity are you going to be on the NMRA convention layout tours in August?

 

 

I considered that possibility, but I don't think the layout will be far enough along at that point to be worth it for others to be on 'the tour'. 

 

At the 2015 convention in Portland, there was a layout that had about 10 linear feet of completed scenery.  It was on the self guided tour.  It was well attended. 

You have construction to the point of trains can run.  The worst you can do is ask the NMRA division what they think about the current state of completion. 

Many modelers like to see in progress layouts as well as completed ones. 

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Posted by Onewolf on Saturday, March 18, 2017 7:30 AM

I have been very busy with work over the last month so progress (and updates) on the layout have slowed.

Working on the risers, plywood sub-roadbed and Homasote roadbed for the track that connects the branchline in Ogden through the backdrop to the 'offsite' passenger train facility (staging) in the model workshop. The steel brackets that support the middle level benchwork are in the way relative to the original track plan so I modified the track plan such that the first turnout in the model workshop yard is a right hand turnout and it will come through the hole in the wall on a diagonal allowing the connecting track to follow the right edge (inside) of the lower level staging track loops.



I have installed the final backdrop panel and I have begun the spackle/fair the screw holes and the edge on the left side where the panel meets the room wall.



I have cut and dry placed the 3/4" foam sheets that will make the 'base' for the city of Ogden.'



I built a tunnel enclosure and painted it flat black to 'hide' the inside of the layout benchwork behind the backdrop panel. This opening in the backdrop will be shielded (mostly) from view by a fairly large building.



I have painted the last backdrop panel. The edge between these two panels is more visible than 'ideal' but the panel on the right is removable from the back side and the left panel is positioned at an oblique angle which required a mitered cut. 1/4" luann plywood does not miter cut as well as thicker plywood.



Gluing down the next section of 3/4" foam.



I am going to have a 24"X20" removable section of foam that will allow me to stand here when I need access to the middle level above here for construction and maintenance purposes. I was originally thinking about having a permanent piece of 3/4" plywood here but then I realized using a piece of removable 3/4" foam would be a MUCH better idea.



The removable section with the 5/8" plywood underneath.



The view when standing in the 'removable' foam area on the benchwork.



The view from behind the backdrop of the lower return loop track and the elevated track that connects the city level track to the 'offsite' passenger staging tracks in the model workshop.



Here you can see the 'tunnel box' where the connector track goes through the backdrop on its way into the model workshop. The tunnel box is painted flat black inside and just sits on the 5/8" plywood benchwork on the left end and horizontal screws on the right side so it is removable.

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:35 PM

Onewolf:

Impressive video! I guess my eye isn't trained enough because I couldn't see very many spots that might need smoothing out.

Dave

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Posted by michaelrose55 on Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:25 AM

Doug, you make me want to rip everything out and start building a German mushroom!

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Posted by Onewolf on Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:58 AM

I bought an SQ8 from Amazon last week and shot a trainview video of a train traversing the entire length of my mainline from exiting the lower return loop all the way up to the upper return loop and then back down all the way through the lower return loop back to the starting position.  I speeded up the video 4X real-time because it took about 27 minutes in real time.

It really highlights numerous issues where I need to work on the track 'smoothosity'.  :)

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, February 12, 2017 4:07 PM

 The switch plate you can just paint the same color. If the paint is plastic compatible, you can probably paint at least the housing of the thermostat, if you are careful. Can't do much about the display though.

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, February 12, 2017 2:17 PM

 I have mounted the removable backdrop and painted the room wall the base sky color. Unfortunately the double switch wall plate and thermostat will intrude somewhat but there wasn't anywhere else feasible to mount them.



I've got the second plywood base section mounted and all the risers and ledger boards mounted for the next two plywood sections.





Two more plywood base sections cut and placed. I need to make some small refinements to one of the plywood sections before mounting them.



After cutting and mounting the last two plywood sections I will start working on the backdrop panel that goes between the removable panel and the room wall backdrop.

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Posted by michaelrose55 on Saturday, February 11, 2017 8:05 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one obsessed with the railroad... nice progress!

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Posted by Onewolf on Saturday, February 11, 2017 12:52 PM

The 1" foam is glued down and seams are caulked. I have also installed a 2" tall 3/16" fascia to hide the edges of the 3/4" plywood and 1" foam.



It's ready to install the branchline and spur tracks that service Franklin Idaho.





I'm starting to work on installing the 5/8" plywood and 3/4" foam base above the lower return loop where the city of Ogden will be located. Because the city base is about 45" deep the backdrop in this area will be removable.



Installing the risers that will support the 5/8" plywood (and foam) city base.





I have installed the first 5/8" plywood base piece and now I'm working on fitting the (removable) backdrop 1/4" plywood panel.



I plan to build a large "high rise" interpretation of downtown Ogden in this area. The pirates from the Great Salt Lake who founded Ogden were very successful in attracting large multi-national banks and corporations with their programs of low tax and lez a faire attitude towards corporate governance. :)



Half of the lower return loop is still accessible by going under the benchwork and coming up in the large openings next to the removable backdrop. I will also be connecting the track coming thru the wall from the model workshop (offsite passeneger service facility, aka 4 tracks of passenger train staging) to the spur that services Ogden.

Painting the removable backdrop panel the base "Brilliant Skies" blue before installing it on the layout.

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Posted by Onewolf on Saturday, February 11, 2017 12:52 PM

JEREMY CENTANNI

So how is the trackwork doing?  I know you have had to run some stuff down it alreadyBig Smile

Work is pretty mazing so far and moving quickly.

The mainline track is now fully functional all the way from the lower return loop up to the upper return loop.  That is 600 ft of track.

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Posted by JEREMY CENTANNI on Friday, February 10, 2017 10:26 PM

So how is the trackwork doing?  I know you have had to run some stuff down it alreadyBig Smile

Work is pretty mazing so far and moving quickly.

 

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Posted by Onewolf on Thursday, February 9, 2017 5:47 AM

Starting to patch/fair/sand the masonite backdrop.



First coat of primer.



Second coat of primer.



"Dancing Blue" sky color



All the upper level backdrops have been painted the basic sky blue.



After spraying some white haze/clouds.





I installed the track for the Cache Valley Branchline. It's the track on the right here. The middle track is the mainline and the track on the left is the helper district service track.



The track on the left is the Cache Valley Branchline. It starts climbing a 1.25% grade here in order to get above the upper return loop/staging tracks.



The branchline uses the right 'wing' to climb up to Franklin, Idaho (above the upper return loop).



As the branchline passes over the mainline.

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