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Ogden & Cache Valley RR - Layout Construction

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Tuesday, May 4, 2021 6:50 AM

I had a decent sized layout that was coming along when my first marriage went south.  It was nothing like yours but the principle is the same.  Stability is key to building a sizable layout.  I've moved so many times over the years layouts were just not happening.

Sorry Doug that this large layout is coming down.  I hope you can make further progress when you settle in at the new location.

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, May 4, 2021 5:33 AM

Doug, I will add my note of personal sadness to hear your news, not only about the layout, but that 2nd structure, and, of course, the end of your marriage. 

When this thread began 6 years ago, I quickly became intrigued with the project. Building that 2nd "home" next to your personal residence on a cul de sac totally engrossed me and left me fantasizing about my own dream layout.

Now to see it all coming apart is a bit shocking in a vicarious sort of way. I do wish you well in your future plans. Good luck, Doug.

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Posted by Water Level Route on Tuesday, May 4, 2021 5:23 AM

I'm sorry to hear that Doug.  At least it sounds like you have a good plan for moving forward, and basically all your track should be salvagable.  Looking forward to hearing about your next layout adventure sometime in the future.

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Posted by Onewolf on Monday, May 3, 2021 6:02 PM

Unfortunately, I am about to begin the deconstuction of the Ogden and Cache Valley RR layout.  My wife and I got divorced last year and I need to downsize my "life" so I am going to sell my house while the housing market is hot.

I have been working remotely for a software company based near Minneapolis and Santa Clara, CA and it appears that remote working has become the standard in the industry. My plan is to accelerate my planned relocation to east TN, and work remotely from there for another 8-10 years.  I own a nice lot near Sweetwater, TN that I plan to build my 'retirement' house on.  The new house will have a full size (2300 sq ft) unfinished walkout basement and I will be able to carve a nice size out of that for the 'next' layout.  I'm pretty sure the 'next' layout won't be 3+ levels, but I have a couple years to work on the layout design.  :)

It's time to start disconnecting, unsoldering, and saving as much track as possible!  The good news is that all 115 turnouts should be easy to reclaim.  The painted flex track?  Not so sure.

Doug

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, February 18, 2019 5:19 PM

Ed, thanks for that info and that link.

I am planning to create a roof top sign that somewhat closely matches the prototype.  The font that I will be using is Monotype Corsiva, so those Plastruct letters won't work.

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, February 18, 2019 5:06 PM

Plastruct makes a pretty nice set of plastic letters and numbers, Rich. Not the same Roman style that Onewold used but still handy for HO and larger N signs.

https://plastruct.com/product-category/glues-tools-and-accessories/plastic-vinyl-letters/

Several sizes. You want the "plastic" ones not the Vinyl, which is a peel-n-stick type.

 IMG_9395 by Edmund, on Flickr

These are the Plastruct letters on my Post Office Annex building.

The "Machine Works" sign in the background was made using "Menu board" type letters used for office directories and, well, menu boards too. Like these:

https://tinyurl.com/yyozto3u

 

 IMG_3234 by Edmund, on Flickr

I'll turn this excellent thread back over to Onewolf. Just thought I'd mention the Plastruct letters as they can be handy for modelers.

Cheers, Ed

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, February 18, 2019 5:05 PM

Onewolf
  
richhotrain

Onewolf, what material did you use to create those red call letters (KREW) on the transmission tower?

Rich 

Rich,

I used a 3D printer:  https://robo3d.com/products/r1-plus-3d-printer

Doug

 

Thanks, Doug. I need to look into that process.

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Posted by Onewolf on Monday, February 18, 2019 4:34 PM

richhotrain

Onewolf, what material did you use to create those red call letters (KREW) on the transmission tower?

Rich

Rich,

I used a 3D printer:  https://robo3d.com/products/r1-plus-3d-printer

Doug

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, February 18, 2019 3:50 PM

Onewolf, what material did you use to create those red call letters (KREW) on the transmission tower?

Rich

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Posted by Onewolf on Monday, February 18, 2019 10:55 AM

I built a frame for the KREW highway billboard.



And installed the billboard face on the frame.



I built the classic Atlas "Signal Tower" kit with the Vector Cut Enhancement ver 2 package.



After spray painting the first floor walls, using Roberts Mortar, and painting the electrical conduit and junction box.



I'm going to light and detail the interior of the 2nd floor so it needs a....  floor.  I used photoshop to create this wood floor.



The Vector Cut windows are composed of 3 layers of laser cut wood and 2 layers of clear acetate.



And they look good.



I'm using a Faller kit for the interior details.



Priming the interior detail parts.



The yard diagram on the status panel matches the south end of the layout's main classification yard. I exported the yard diagram from my layout design plan in 3rd Planit and then photoshopped it to produce the yard status panel.



The test of the interior space/layout



Starting to add the lighting circuit.



The teenie tiny little nano LCD in the gooseneck lamp that will go over the doorway.



Deciding on the exact location on the layout.  It looks good so far. I still have some Vector Cut wood trim boards to add and I want to add a light in the first floor.



I'm starting to work on Downtown Deco's "DD1009 - Old Warehouses" kit.  I had started the kit about 5 years ago but I was unhappy with the paint job so I reprimed both buildings and started over.  This is what the first building looks like after spray priming white.



And the base color



I'm going to light this interior so I painted the walls flat black and installed a 'wood' floor.



After using Roberts Mortar



After a dark wash has been applied and testing the window/door frame colors. I decided I don't like the light gray door frames so those will be repainted before they are installed for real.



I tried using the "Diamante Shipping" stencil provided with the kit however I failed miserably....



The stencil/paint bled really badly.



Trying to make lemonade out of lemons. I cleaned up the sign as much as possible and then put a light coat of the building's base 'Toffee' color on top in order to try to create a 'Ghost' sign.



Adding lighting



People from central Florida might recognize the "Todd's Tomatoes" signs.... The roof panels are not glued/weathered for this test.



I mounted the Todd's Tomatoes sign on 12x12 wood posts to project it out from the ghost sign.



The ghost sign turned out pretty good.



The second building in the DD1009 kit has boarded up doors/windows.



After the base coat of paint and trim is painted.



After the Roberts mortar was applied but before the excess was wiped off.



After wiping off the excess mortar.



After a dark wash has toned down the bright colors.



Still have a long way to go on this building....

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Posted by Onewolf on Monday, February 4, 2019 5:54 AM

hon30critter

Hi Onewolf,

Nice control panel. Pretty good wiring job too. The wiring under our new club layout isn't quite as neat but it works great. Cudo's to our main wiring guy, Dave.

Cheers,

The other Dave

Wiring is tedious work.  For the 17 tracks I had 51 wire runs to install.  I'm glad that's done and it's all working.

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, February 4, 2019 12:32 AM

Hi Onewolf,

Nice control panel. Pretty good wiring job too. The wiring under our new club layout isn't quite as neat but it works great. Cudo's to our main wiring guy, Dave.

Cheers,

The other Dave

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, February 3, 2019 4:53 PM


I worked on the control panel for the turntable and roundhouse tracks.  I want to be able to control track power to each track around the turntable/roundhouse because when you have many sound equipped locomotives it's nice to be able to cut the track power to avoid a cacophony of locomotive idling sounds and power consumption.

I used my photo printer to print the control panel on lustre paper for the turntable/roundhouse track. Each track coming off the turntable (except for the 3 main inbound/outbound tracks (1-3)) have toggle switches to control track power. There are 17 tracks total (4 garden tracks (4-7), 12 roundhouse tracks (8-19), and 1 service building track(20)).



After installing the 17 toggle switches and Walthers turntable control unit.



Wiring the 17 track power switches. Because of the relatively long "feeder" runs, I used 18ga wire to run from the track power bus to the toggle switches and then 18ga back to the red track power feeder bus bars.





Finishing up the basic build of the Vector Cut "Country Radio Station" kit.  I have created it as KREW - The Wrecking Krew - Pirate Radio.







Rear view - you can see the City Classics Venetian blinds installed in the windows.

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Posted by rrebell on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 10:26 AM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL

 

 
rrebell

Not everything in silicon valley is expencive, but housing can be. Still deals like the one I got, year before last. Bought a large manufactured home close to everything with a yard in a park with a very low ground rent (they have rent control where i moved and mobile home park zoning so it is not like most other places where the owner of the land can do something else) did this because when I crunched the numbers it was much cheaper and I wanted alot of dry powder for the next downturn and it was a new home with copper plumbing, new high end appliances (except stove, weird). Guess I got it because the last owner got in a cash crunch as they moved to Texas (another tech area) and the place was not moving being on the high end. Some of my neighbors are here for the same reason of keeping powder dry. Oh and since ity will be asked, I paid $265,000 and accross the street homes sell for $1,000,000 plus and HOA fees for a house, townhouse are around $800,000.

 

 

 

Nothing against manufactured housing, but I have two questions, how much land, how many sq ft of house?

Size drives prices here more than location, bigger cost more.....

Our new place has 2600 sq ft of finished living space 1400 sq ft of unfinished basement, attached two car garage, 2.3 acres. I will be building an additional garage, likely 1,000 sq ft.

The big 1901 Queen Anne has 4,000 sq ft finished, 900 sq ft covered porch, 450 sq ft rear deck w/gazebo and hot tub, 1500 sq ft unfinished basement, 2000 sq ft garage/out building, 20 x 50 concrete pool on just one acre.

Sheldon

 

1465 sq. ft house, not a big yard but for a park, huge about 80 some ft accross the back tapering to about 40' at front and length is about 70'. In a park most are a rectangle  about 40' or less wide and less than 70' deep.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM

rrebell

Not everything in silicon valley is expencive, but housing can be. Still deals like the one I got, year before last. Bought a large manufactured home close to everything with a yard in a park with a very low ground rent (they have rent control where i moved and mobile home park zoning so it is not like most other places where the owner of the land can do something else) did this because when I crunched the numbers it was much cheaper and I wanted alot of dry powder for the next downturn and it was a new home with copper plumbing, new high end appliances (except stove, weird). Guess I got it because the last owner got in a cash crunch as they moved to Texas (another tech area) and the place was not moving being on the high end. Some of my neighbors are here for the same reason of keeping powder dry. Oh and since ity will be asked, I paid $265,000 and accross the street homes sell for $1,000,000 plus and HOA fees for a house, townhouse are around $800,000.

 

Nothing against manufactured housing, but I have two questions, how much land, how many sq ft of house?

Size drives prices here more than location, bigger cost more.....

Our new place has 2600 sq ft of finished living space 1400 sq ft of unfinished basement, attached two car garage, 2.3 acres. I will be building an additional garage, likely 1,000 sq ft.

The big 1901 Queen Anne has 4,000 sq ft finished, 900 sq ft covered porch, 450 sq ft rear deck w/gazebo and hot tub, 1500 sq ft unfinished basement, 2000 sq ft garage/out building, 20 x 50 concrete pool on just one acre.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by rrebell on Monday, January 28, 2019 11:01 AM

Not everything in silicon valley is expencive, but housing can be. Still deals like the one I got, year before last. Bought a large manufactured home close to everything with a yard in a park with a very low ground rent (they have rent control where i moved and mobile home park zoning so it is not like most other places where the owner of the land can do something else) did this because when I crunched the numbers it was much cheaper and I wanted alot of dry powder for the next downturn and it was a new home with copper plumbing, new high end appliances (except stove, weird). Guess I got it because the last owner got in a cash crunch as they moved to Texas (another tech area) and the place was not moving being on the high end. Some of my neighbors are here for the same reason of keeping powder dry. Oh and since ity will be asked, I paid $265,000 and accross the street homes sell for $1,000,000 plus and HOA fees for a house, townhouse are around $800,000.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, January 28, 2019 10:29 AM

Onewolf

 

 
rrebell
ATLANTIC CENTRAL
rrebell

Out in california, you get tax increased imediatly on final inspection, 1% of permit added and compounded yearly. At least out here you know  within reason what your property taxes are each year, not like when I was in Baltimore and they just up and doubled it one year because neighorhood improved, thats a maybe on neghborhood improved as my property was on the edge but my address was bulked into zip. 

Again, that no longer happens here. Reassement increases are phased in and limited to about 12% increase for owner occupied homes no matter what your neighbors house sells for.

If we were really smart as a society we would replace the value based property tax with the ideas of Henry George - but that's a topic for a different forum.....

But seriously, you folks in California are in your own world, I just bought a really nice 2,200 sq ft house on 2.5 acres for $375,000 - in the bay area what would that cost? and what would the taxes be? My taxes are $3,000.

Maybe that's why I can aford a basement full of trains? 

Sheldon

$3,750 plus any local taxes and can only go up 2% per year but no one gets more than 1%.

 

 

One more derail....

You forgot Sheldon's question about what his property would cost in the Bay area?  My $500K property near Orlando would cost $4-$5 million to reproduce near Silicon Valley.  I've looked.  I stayed in Florida.  :)

 

Yes, so my $375,000 spot here in Maryland would likely be over 3.5 million, with property taxes of $35,000.

Or, the $750,000 1901 Queen Anne we just moved out of and will be selling soon would be  worth what? 7 or 8 million? With $75,000 in taxes? Our taxes on that property are only $4,000. It seems unlikely that wages/income for everyone in the bay area or Southern CA are equally inflated.

So I will happily stay here where my money buys a lot more. The cost of living here is not the cheapest, but far from the highest.

We only paid $167,000 for the Queen Anne in 1995, invested about $300,000 in restoring it, had a blast living there, time now to cash out and have different adventure. That property is debt free, as is our new spot.

Sheldon

 

    

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Posted by Onewolf on Monday, January 28, 2019 6:21 AM

rrebell
ATLANTIC CENTRAL
rrebell

Out in california, you get tax increased imediatly on final inspection, 1% of permit added and compounded yearly. At least out here you know  within reason what your property taxes are each year, not like when I was in Baltimore and they just up and doubled it one year because neighorhood improved, thats a maybe on neghborhood improved as my property was on the edge but my address was bulked into zip. 

Again, that no longer happens here. Reassement increases are phased in and limited to about 12% increase for owner occupied homes no matter what your neighbors house sells for.

If we were really smart as a society we would replace the value based property tax with the ideas of Henry George - but that's a topic for a different forum.....

But seriously, you folks in California are in your own world, I just bought a really nice 2,200 sq ft house on 2.5 acres for $375,000 - in the bay area what would that cost? and what would the taxes be? My taxes are $3,000.

Maybe that's why I can aford a basement full of trains? 

Sheldon

$3,750 plus any local taxes and can only go up 2% per year but no one gets more than 1%.

One more derail....

You forgot Sheldon's question about what his property would cost in the Bay area?  My $500K property near Orlando would cost $4-$5 million to reproduce near Silicon Valley.  I've looked.  I stayed in Florida.  :)

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Posted by Onewolf on Monday, January 28, 2019 6:17 AM

Yes, if I could have found some very fine tan sand it would have been more better.

rrebell

Now back to the subject in hand. Noticed white sand used, is that common for where this layout is located, out here it is more tan colored.

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Posted by Onewolf on Monday, January 28, 2019 6:15 AM

riogrande5761
  Nice poster "smooth as silk" oh la la!  Pretty racy for the times back then eh?
 

 
Keep in mind, that in "my world" Ogden was founded by Pirates from the Great Salt Lake.  There was no need for Vegas, because Ogden already existed.  :)

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Monday, January 28, 2019 6:06 AM

Onewolf
The longer commute to work has also cut down some on my layout time

Welcome to my world.  Between my long commute, house renovations and now doing most of the basement finishing myself (and wife helping) I have no layout time for the past year +.  

Great to see your progress back in full swing.  Nice poster "smooth as silk" oh la la!  Pretty racy for the times back then eh?

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, January 28, 2019 2:18 AM

Onewolf, you have done an amazing amount of work since you posted previously! I have to admit that when I first saw the sheer size of your layout I was concerned about how long it would take to populate the many scenes. I needn't have worried. You are a prolific and excellent modeller!

Dave

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Posted by rrebell on Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:08 PM

Now back to the subject in hand. Noticed white sand used, is that common for where this layout is located, out here it is more tan colored.

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Posted by rrebell on Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:02 PM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL

 

 
rrebell

Out in california, you get tax increased imediatly on final inspection, 1% of permit added and compounded yearly. At least out here you know  within reason what your property taxes are each year, not like when I was in Baltimore and they just up and doubled it one year because neighorhood improved, thats a maybe on neghborhood improved as my property was on the edge but my address was bulked into zip. 

 

 

 

Again, that no longer happens here. Reassement increases are phased in and limited to about 12% increase for owner occupied homes no matter what your neighbors house sells for.

If we were really smart as a society we would replace the value based property tax with the ideas of Henry George - but that's a topic for a different forum.....

But seriously, you folks in California are in your own world, I just bought a really nice 2,200 sq ft house on 2.5 acres for $375,000 - in the bay area what would that cost? and what would the taxes be? My taxes are $3,000.

Maybe that's why I can aford a basement full of trains? 

Sheldon

 

$3,750 plus any local taxes and can only go up 2% per year but no one gets more than 1%.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:38 AM

Nice !  Very nice!  I used the same "sand" technique for a unit train of raw frac sand.  I can remove the stryrofoam "sand blocks" from the hopper cars, for running empties.

Excellent work!  Thumbs Up

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Posted by michaelrose55 on Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:31 AM

I'm glad you're finally back. Something was missing...Big Smile

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Posted by Onewolf on Sunday, January 27, 2019 8:02 AM

I resumed work on the layout in late December after taking a break as I "came up to speed" in my new job that started in July.  It was a major change after working 30+ years in the commercial Enterprise software arena to move to the DOD simulation/modeling world with completely new tech stacks. The longer commute to work has also cut down some on my layout time (and website updating time).

So with that said, here's some of the progress I've made since the last update....


Working on positioning the Walthers Machine Shop and Railroad Shops (cardboard cutout) near the turntable



After building and placing the Walthers 'Railroad Shops' building.



Testing placement of the Walthers Coal Tower and dump house





After installing detailed parts and basic weathering.



Position of coal tower and cinder/ash hoist relative to turntable/roundhouse.



Delivering coal for the coal tower



Basic structures for sand drying house and sand bin completed



Figuring out how to make the sand pile....





Covered foam with white latex caulk



Two coats of latex flat paint



Heavy coat of latex paint and immediately pour sand onto wet paint....



After drying



On the layout (with the Tichy water tower as well)





Starting the Walthers "Car Shop" kit



After spray painting the walls, brush painting the window sills and steel beams above doors. The right wall has been mortared using Roberts Brick Mortar.



After installing the windows, doors, and weathering.



Placed on layout



Working on the Walthers Ash/Cinder Pit/Hoist kit



I pulled up one of the existing track leads into the turntable to install the ash/cinder pit and then cut out the 1/2" homasote and 5/8" plywood base to install the pit.









Starting to work on the Walthers Ice House and Platform (2)















I have started building the Vector Cut "Country Radio Station" kit. My radio station is going to be "KREW - The Wrecking Crew - Pirate Radio".





Some of the reasons I like modeling the Union Pacific:



Installing track for the lower end service terminal of the designated helper district for the climb from the middle level to the upper level





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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, December 22, 2018 1:36 PM

house like that in my old neighborhood, say $2,400,000.00. New neighborhood $850,000.00. Taxes are 1% plus local stuff.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Saturday, December 22, 2018 12:47 PM

rrebell

Out in california, you get tax increased imediatly on final inspection, 1% of permit added and compounded yearly. At least out here you know  within reason what your property taxes are each year, not like when I was in Baltimore and they just up and doubled it one year because neighorhood improved, thats a maybe on neghborhood improved as my property was on the edge but my address was bulked into zip. 

 

Again, that no longer happens here. Reassement increases are phased in and limited to about 12% increase for owner occupied homes no matter what your neighbors house sells for.

If we were really smart as a society we would replace the value based property tax with the ideas of Henry George - but that's a topic for a different forum.....

But seriously, you folks in California are in your own world, I just bought a really nice 2,200 sq ft house on 2.5 acres for $375,000 - in the bay area what would that cost? and what would the taxes be? My taxes are $3,000.

Maybe that's why I can aford a basement full of trains? 

Sheldon

    

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, December 22, 2018 11:28 AM

Out in california, you get tax increased imediatly on final inspection, 1% of permit added and compounded yearly. At least out here you know  within reason what your property taxes are each year, not like when I was in Baltimore and they just up and doubled it one year because neighorhood improved, thats a maybe on neghborhood improved as my property was on the edge but my address was bulked into zip. 

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