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What I meant to say was a run-round loop. I agree with you and very much doubt you could get a loop of track in HO within 12", although I have seen it done on a tramways layout, with HO track, to boot. I was just offering a suggestion as to how you could use HO within the space available, as you hadn't specified a scale in your original posting. If you do decide to use N, I would suggest you hide most of the 13" loop in a tunnel, as there would be a considerable overhang on all but the shortest cars. Happy modelling Jon
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