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Craig, I have two 4% slopes using 24" and 26" radius curves. I have had very little problem . My Kato SD80MACs pull a string of cars with no problem. a consist of two Stewart EMD FTs work well. A consist of two Bachmann Spectrum K-4 4-6-2 Pacifics work well. My Lionel Veranda works well. My Lionel Challenger is a mess. It won't hardly pull itself up, let alone a string of cars. It depends on your equipment. My Bachmann DCC EMD FT A-B unit works well. I am considering the addition of a BLI Hudson (traction tires) just to see how it will work. In short, Diesels seem to have to all over the Stream engines. My layout has the option of avoiding the grades using a flat land route around and through the high country. Don't be afraid of 4% grades. they are even proto-typical of real life, as is double-heading. Skip
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