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[quote user="rrebell"] Not practical due to the length of the items. Most people build their helixs bigger than necessary, like it is to be veiwed. You can go with the minimum radius you stuff will take and if you make up a double header situation, you can go with a much higher incline. <div style="clear:both;"> </div> [/quote] You are now getting into the effective grade discussion which was discussed in my recent thread as well as one linked by gregc.  If you want to deal with an excessive grade in a hidden and not easily accessed area, that is your own decision.  If you intend to have other's operate your layout, they will thank you for getting rid of the operational headache of adding extra (possibly multiple) locomotives to your train to go through a helix.  <a>http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/p/221186/2444394.aspx#2444394</a> Stupid IE is failing me for hyperlinking.    Also your locomotive gear box will not like be pushed downgrade by the train... Your railroad, your rules though
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