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 Allow me to add my [2c] to this thread again. I guess that the majority of us likes to operate their trains in a beautiful scenery, with sweeping curves, little rivers spanned by a bridge, rolling hills and forests, cows on a pasture etc. After all, deep down in our hearts we are railroad romantics and there is hardly any romance in the dingy part of a city that railroads usually run through.Layout reality, however, is something else. Those rolling hills just don´t fit on a 4´ by 8´ "table" or a 2´ by 10´ shelf layout, so we need to compromise a lot. The result is, that we encounter scenic features in a density on a layout, that "Mother Nature" would never have, i.e. a mountain growing just out of nothing, a bridge spanning something where no bridge would be in reality. On a typical shelf-type layout, we have less than 90 feet to left and to the  right  of the track - too little for a breathtaking scenery, especially when our layout has some track allowing us to have a minimum of operation. This is where in my opnion, an urban layout is much more realistic. Just look at Jon Grant´s Sweethome Chicago layout, how much depth of view he has created. Or take a look at that Brooklyn 3 am layout - how emotional Prof. K´s pictutres are. These are two examples of perfect urban layouts, showing us, that you don´t need a lot of space or money to create the right feeling! It only takes a lot of imagineering!
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