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You can see the level of interlect on this forum; that was absolutely brilliant Jack and also a very good comment Robert and i have learnt a lot. I am sorry the other comment was so childish and illinformed that i didn't learn anything from it all.I  have tried not to use the word ignorant. That dissertation Jack was so well informed and i can see in came from a proper research base and of course many of the points they raise are applicable to our hobby; and i have been so impressd i have printed them out and saved them for distribution to associates. Well done gentlemen Rgds ian
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