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Well gentlemen thank you, some worthwhile comments i'm sure. The unit it self wasn't wet inside or out and upon close inspection no ingress of anything was detected. My gut feel was that what cacole said is pretty right but i have no real reason to believe this either. Walt your idea of electromagnetic noise is worth considering. I have 2 of these units and the other one is much older than the one that went down but the faulty one is located much closer to a road that is fairly busy and right on a roundabout, anything could have come past and induced stuff into it. In my opinion at this stage; and in light of what LGb had to say (replacing immmedialtey at no charge and sending back to germany for examination) leads me to believe it is possibly just a companent failure; and they do fail from time to time for no real reason i guess. Rgds Ian
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