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I keap a speile checkker handi sew I dont loock licke an idiot? Your right Vic, got myself in trouble over on the TRAINS forum but the "good guys" evenually backed me up. I haven't had the courage to go back yet. On the large radius issue there is another dimension that can also cause problems for existing layouts; overhead and side clearance. Several of us here in Minnesota have built our layouts with cement land forms on all or part of the line. So our layouts are literally chiseled in stone and not easy to change. On out RR we used the Bachmann Big Hauler as a clearance gauge since it was the largest locomotive at that time. When the Bachmann shay came out I really wanted one. Then a member of our club brought his shay over to run it on our line and it was too tall for the tunnels. Sorry, NO shay for me!!! Then along came the Bachmann 2-8-0 (with sound) and I couldn't live another day without one. When it arrived I realized it was too massive to negotiate our layout. I needed to rip out several areas and rebuild with more side and top clearance. This was a lot of work!!! Fortunately the large loco takes our single 40" radius curve without too much complaining. No room to widen the track radius so we can NOT buy any rolling stock that needs a wider curve. OLD DAD
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