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They are definitely looking shinier a few days down the track but i am convinced it is working because i am having no trouble at all soldering them and the solder is really penetrating well. I know about flux but sometimes if the job is too dirty it will not clean the surface to be soldered adequately.I did do that job in the garage but i went inside to rinse it off, all well that ends well she spoke to me alittle harshly for about a minute; so we are both freea dn clear.All the best. Ian
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