How do these videos get out?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8TpVXhaDE&feature=related
WOW! That was incredible and saddening as well. The shock factor in this being that it's a calm, quiet day with this train going to its destination. Everything appears perfectly normal right up until that locomotive rolls over the turnout and jerks towards the right. What a horrible feeling the crew must have felt in those few seconds.
Makes me respect locomotive crews even more for the hazards that they must face every time they're on duty.
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I wonder if crews look forward and see which way the switch is thrown. That definately would have been a holly something moment for sure.
I find it interesting that the camera survived a few seconds, and you could see the train rolling through the first car or two.
Bucyrus wrote:I don't think that's real.
oh, it's real, alright.
http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/safety/Accident_Investigation/2006/hq200679v.pdf
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ_ALEdDUB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hqFS1GZL4s
http://s73.photobucket.com/user/steemtrayn/media/MovingcoalontheDCM.mp4.html?sort=3&o=27
steemtrayn wrote: Bucyrus wrote:I don't think that's real. oh, it's real, alright.http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/safety/Accident_Investigation/2006/hq200679v.pdf
I mean the video.
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Railfan1 wrote: How do these videos get out?http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8TpVXhaDE&feature=related
This is an old video from back in May or June,Its a dead horse !
The FRA form could not be from the same incident as the video. The report lists NDYX 475171 as the first car struck. In the video, the train hits an MLLX hopper.
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steemtrayn wrote:Why would you think otherwise?
It just has that look of a simulation, although quite convincing. Locomotives bounce all over the place as they travel. How does a locomotive-mounted camera compensate for all that bounce 100% as is shown in this video?
Bucyrus wrote: steemtrayn wrote:Why would you think otherwise?It just has that look of a simulation, although quite convincing. Locomotives bounce all over the place as they travel. How does a locomotive-mounted camera compensate for all that bounce 100% as is shown in this video?
Locomotive in the Kimset wreck didnt bounce... And its confirmed real...
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Steemtrayn,
Thanks for posting the report.
Glad to know that the crew came out of it alive with only minor injuries.
TonyM.
magicman710 wrote: Bucyrus wrote: steemtrayn wrote:Why would you think otherwise?It just has that look of a simulation, although quite convincing. Locomotives bounce all over the place as they travel. How does a locomotive-mounted camera compensate for all that bounce 100% as is shown in this video?Locomotive in the Kimset wreck didnt bounce... And its confirmed real...
On second thought, I think it is real.
Maybe the video equipment filters out the bounce by some kind of process averaging of the frames. There is some bounce that can be seen in the Kimset video, although not as much as probably existed in the actual view. Look at the relationship between the nose grab-iron and the track rail passing into it. In a person's view, there would be lots of side-to-side and up and down differential movement between the grab-iron and the rail. In the Kimset video, there is a little differential movement there. In this video, there is none at all. But it certainly looks real in every other way, so I conclude that it is real, and bounce has been removed, either in the camera or by post processing. Certainly there would be a good reason to intentionally clean up the video by removing the bounce.
Nagrom1 wrote:I wonder if crews look forward and see which way the switch is thrown. That definately would have been a holly something moment for sure.
They did, a few seconds before the locomotive goes over the switch you can hear the brakes being thrown into emergency... Whoosh!
Nagrom1 wrote:I wonder if crews look forward and see which way the switch is thrown. That definately would have been a holly something moment for sure.I find it interesting that the camera survived a few seconds, and you could see the train rolling through the first car or two.
Correct. Crews can see the switch targets, but most importantly the switch points and call them out in the cab.
ericsp wrote: steemtrayn wrote: Bucyrus wrote:I don't think that's real. oh, it's real, alright.http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/safety/Accident_Investigation/2006/hq200679v.pdf The FRA form could not be from the same incident as the video. The report lists NDYX 475171 as the first car struck. In the video, the train hits an MLLX hopper.
Another discrepancy between the video and the report is that in the report the train continued for 500 feet before coming to a stop with the lead unit on its side. If there had been no slowing at all, that would have taken 10 seconds, much longer than the video depicts.
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They should have targets...if one is missing, it was either stolen, or the bolts worked lose and it fell off...
Under normal use, the target should show if the switch is lined for other than main line movement...if you cant see a target, or the target you see is not red, (other colors used are green and sometimes yellow ) it is lined for the main...red means lined for the siding.
Some places still use a white target with an arrow, straight up means lines for the main, pointed to one side or the other means the siding.
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Bucyrus wrote: magicman710 wrote: Bucyrus wrote: steemtrayn wrote:Why would you think otherwise?It just has that look of a simulation, although quite convincing. Locomotives bounce all over the place as they travel. How does a locomotive-mounted camera compensate for all that bounce 100% as is shown in this video?Locomotive in the Kimset wreck didnt bounce... And its confirmed real...On second thought, I think it is real. Maybe the video equipment filters out the bounce by some kind of process averaging of the frames. There is some bounce that can be seen in the Kimset video, although not as much as probably existed in the actual view. Look at the relationship between the nose grab-iron and the track rail passing into it. In a person's view, there would be lots of side-to-side and up and down differential movement between the grab-iron and the rail. In the Kimset video, there is a little differential movement there. In this video, there is none at all. But it certainly looks real in every other way, so I conclude that it is real, and bounce has been removed, either in the camera or by post processing. Certainly there would be a good reason to intentionally clean up the video by removing the bounce.
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blue streak 1 wrote:Can someone (maybe RWM) explain why switch stands in dark territorys sometimes do not have targets. It might have reduced the severity of Graniteville, and this one. I would think the NTSB would have recommended this solution.
things like this might still happen from time to time.. but the FRA order and the new work rules that came out of it are designed to add more levels of checks befor a train leaves a place they worked in dark territory to insure the switch is lined back for the main track..
Bucyrus,
CSXEngineer brought up a good point regarding the riding qualities of the modern wide-cabs.
Additionally, many video cameras today, even the cheaper models, are available with the anti-motion feature that, while not perfect, helps eliminate most of the unwanted motions when the camera is pointed in just one direction.
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