Trains.com

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

make a concrete lot with track

2159 views
16 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    July 2007
  • 42 posts
make a concrete lot with track
Posted by anthonykaz on Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:20 PM

i am looking to make a concrete lot for my ethanol plant and was wondering if there is any tricks to make 1/16 poster board (white) look like a slab of concrete. do the ties chow above or below the concrete? is the concrete poured between the rails everywhere, or at places where the groundsman want trucks to travel? what disance should be between the inside of the rail and the concrete?

much thanks to anybody who responds

AK

  • Member since
    December 2001
  • 3,139 posts
Posted by chutton01 on Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:14 PM

Well, first, an article in the April 2008 MR, Scenery Step by Step, covers this topic in terms of modeling the concrete lot w/ embedded rails - Cody used stryene, painted aged concrete and weathered w/ black ink washes.
Ties should not be visible (at least in the prototype lots I have seen), rails should be even with the top of the pavement (although rails seem to often stick a bit above the level, causing a lovely bump and bang when driving over them) and concrete (or asphalt) areas would be designed to accomodate where trucks (or other vehicles) need to go - embedded rails can be more of a pain to maintain, so why pave around them if you don't need to - on the other hand, most vehicles need pavement, so you need to plan around the vehicles' workflow (loading docks, forklift loading, parking, delivery, etc.).
Note that relative to model flangeway requirements, the prototype flangeway is usually much narrower.

  • Member since
    November 2006
  • From: Northeast
  • 746 posts
Posted by GraniteRailroader on Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:23 PM

How about... automotive bondo?

Mix it up in a small batch, apply with a putty knife around designated area, and Presto! 

This space reserved for SpaceMouse's future presidential candidacy advertisements

  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Southwest US
  • 12,914 posts
Posted by tomikawaTT on Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:32 PM

On a club to which I once belonged, there was a need to imbed rails in a concrete street that ended up as a concrete-surfaced quay.  The modeler who took on the project surfaced the street and quay with concrete.

Actually, he used Portland cement.  He couldn't find scale-size sand and gravel...

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

  • Member since
    February 2007
  • From: East central Missouri
  • 1,065 posts
Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:40 PM
I just finished building the Farmers Co Op Grain Elevator. I used aged concrete from Floquil for the foundation/ramps etc. and was'nt to thrilled with the color. To me it looks a little green, not really much like concrete at all. I would like to say that I really like Floquil paints, just not this particular one. I think that for aged concrete, a light sand color would be better, as the sun makes the concrete appear lighter and lighter with age. Just my opinion.
Come on CMW, make a '41-'46 Chevy school bus!
  • Member since
    December 2001
  • 3,139 posts
Posted by chutton01 on Monday, July 21, 2008 9:04 AM

To me it looks a little green, not really much like concrete at all. I would like to say that I really like Floquil paints, just not this particular one. I think that for aged concrete, a light sand color would be better, as the sun makes the concrete appear lighter and lighter with age

I wonder if it's your lighting that doing it - I think the aged concrete color looks fine under standard incadenscent (although can be improved using those trolley modeler's suggestion of a light overspray of dust etc) - I airbrushed this batch outdoors, so not sure if age concrete looks funky under standard flourescents (not CFL) - I do know that many greys look brownish to my eyes under standard flourescents, but look prefectly fine under incadenscents.

  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Gardnerville, Nv
  • 48 posts
Posted by lilivalley on Monday, July 21, 2008 10:20 AM
I used a table saw to cut two slots in 1/4" plywood to rail depth and correct rail spacing. Cut the plywood to the size of your plant, locate where you want the track to be located, cut the slots, glue and spike the rail in place, fill the crack on the outside of the rail with wood dough, sand smooth, paint paved area  with floquel concrete. I used a router to do some curved areas, but thats another story.
  • Member since
    June 2005
  • From: Phoenixville, PA
  • 3,495 posts
Posted by nbrodar on Monday, July 21, 2008 10:45 AM

I use styrene sheet painted with acrylic craft paint.  I ran the stryene over the ties and just under the ball of the railhead.

Nick

Take a Ride on the Reading with the: Reading Company Technical & Historical Society http://www.readingrailroad.org/

  • Member since
    September 2004
  • From: Germany
  • 1,951 posts
Posted by wedudler on Monday, July 21, 2008 12:18 PM

David, a good idea.

 I use plaster and a home made tool.

Wolfgang

Pueblo & Salt Lake RR

Come to us http://www.westportterminal.de          my videos        my blog

  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: NYC
  • 551 posts
Posted by corsair7 on Monday, July 21, 2008 12:27 PM
 chutton01 wrote:

Well, first, an article in the April 2008 MR, Scenery Step by Step, covers this topic in terms of modeling the concrete lot w/ embedded rails - Cody used stryene, painted aged concrete and weathered w/ black ink washes.
Ties should not be visible (at least in the prototype lots I have seen), rails should be even with the top of the pavement (although rails seem to often stick a bit above the level, causing a lovely bump and bang when driving over them) and concrete (or asphalt) areas would be designed to accomodate where trucks (or other vehicles) need to go - embedded rails can be more of a pain to maintain, so why pave around them if you don't need to - on the other hand, most vehicles need pavement, so you need to plan around the vehicles' workflow (loading docks, forklift loading, parking, delivery, etc.).
Note that relative to model flangeway requirements, the prototype flangeway is usually much narrower.

Cody did it HO scale. But how would he have done it N or even Z scale? Frankly, I have often thought of doing it on my N-Scale layout but I can't figure out how with causing problems since the flangeways need to be large enough not to cuase problems for the trains but narrow enough to be believable. And this would go great in my shipyard scene.

Irv

  • Member since
    December 2001
  • 3,139 posts
Posted by chutton01 on Monday, July 21, 2008 1:01 PM
corsiar, perhaps you can color the ties/plate detail of the trackage to be paved over the color of the pavement (aged concrete, asphalt grey, new concrete, etc - assuming you are using flex track and not laying your own rails without ties).  This may help disguise the width of the flangeway in N scale. How wide do the flangeways need to be, in relation to the inside distance between rails?
  • Member since
    September 2007
  • From: Charlotte, NC
  • 6,099 posts
Posted by Phoebe Vet on Monday, July 21, 2008 2:58 PM

Dave

Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow

  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: Amish country Tenn.
  • 10,027 posts
Posted by loathar on Monday, July 21, 2008 4:50 PM
Apple Barrel craft paint has a color called "Sandstone" that's looks really good for aged concrete. I agree with Dave about adding paint to your plaster before pouring it. I had one crossing I had to keep touching up every time I cleaned my track.
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: NYC
  • 551 posts
Posted by corsair7 on Monday, July 21, 2008 7:22 PM

 chutton01 wrote:
corsiar, perhaps you can color the ties/plate detail of the trackage to be paved over the color of the pavement (aged concrete, asphalt grey, new concrete, etc - assuming you are using flex track and not laying your own rails without ties).  This may help disguise the width of the flangeway in N scale. How wide do the flangeways need to be, in relation to the inside distance between rails?

It's a good question but the inside would need to be wide enough to accept the flanges of the wheels on my locomotives without either derailing them or making them lose electrical contact with the rails. Now this may not be much of a problem with my newer locomotives, but I still have 3 old Trix losos which I would like to run once in a while and I think those flanged wheels are not only deeper but wider as well.

The guys at the N-Trak club I belong to don't fill in the center portions of crossings precisely for the reason that these center portions often cause derailments. But I have seen it done correctly and very convincingly in other scales.

Irv

Irv

  • Member since
    July 2006
  • From: Miltonfreewater, Or
  • 284 posts
Posted by RRTrainman on Monday, July 21, 2008 10:54 PM

I use plaster for my intermodel yard using 1/16" plastic strips  for rail clearance.

4x8 are fun too!!! RussellRail

  • Member since
    August 2004
  • 232 posts
Posted by ckape on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:37 AM
 Phoebe Vet wrote:

Check these guys out:

http://www.proto87.com/street-track.html

 

That looks pretty neat, but just remember that proto87 has a shallow flangeway compared to standard HO, so you'll have to be careful to make sure everything runs smoothly.

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Users Online

There are no community member online

Search the Community

ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
Model Railroader Newsletter See all
Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox!