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Lionel Baby Madison Car Roof Removal
Posted by Kooljock1 on Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:50 PM

I've seen about a million questions regarding how to access the interiors of these cars over the years.  Here's a quick video to help!

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Tuesday, January 1, 2013 7:14 PM

VERY GOOD!!!!  YesYesYesYes

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Posted by tjl0824 on Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:23 PM

When I first saw the thread title, "oh god, not another" came across my mind LOL. There seems to be quite a few requests for info on this, you did a great job on explaining it and this should be a great help for a lot of people.

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Posted by Kooljock1 on Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:12 PM

Like you Trevor, I got to the point where my head was about to explode on this one.  Reassembling an E-Unit or a Scout motor is hard.  This should be easy.

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Posted by Texas Pete on Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:25 PM

In case for some of you Jon's method turns out to not be as easy as he somehow makes it look, here is an alternate route:

http://www.jcstudiosinc.com/BlogShowThread?id=663&categoryId=

The J&C Studios O Gauge Archive is a place well worth bookmarking.

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Posted by Kooljock1 on Wednesday, January 2, 2013 4:43 PM

It's magic.

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Posted by Texas Pete on Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:12 PM

Ah, a gimmicked Baby Madison, eh.  Laugh

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Posted by krapug1 on Friday, January 4, 2013 2:50 PM

For those who have the Milwaukee 9500 cars from 1973, the process is a bit more involved.

The instruction sheet is in the files section of my MPC yahoo group.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LionelMPC/files/

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Posted by palallin on Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:59 PM

My son found an alternate method, which I do NOT recommend.  During Christmas, I installed TMCC for the first time on a loop if the layout.  For some reason, when we ran the boys' PE the first time (conventional, using the Power Master), the power kicked up to 18 volts, and the train took off like a shot.  As the train went around the near 054 curve, the last four cars flew across the room and hit the floor.  The roofs of two of them popped off (along with several wheel sets). 

 

Fortunately, all went back together without incident.  Still, if one is desparate to remove a roof, . . .

Laugh

 

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:45 PM

You mean I bought that band saw for NOTHING?

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Posted by gwalk2010 on Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:27 PM

I have a lionel 6-9527 FDR campaign car sold in 1976 and it does not have window tabs, can;t figure out roof removal.

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:38 AM

retired-920
I have a lionel 6-9527 FDR campaign car sold in 1976 and it does not have window tabs, can;t figure out roof removal.

Yes, the raised windows are there, you just have to look a little harder, with your reading glasses on.

On the  right side, they are the third and tenth windows back:

On the left side, they are the fifth and twelfth windows back:

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Posted by gwalk2010 on Monday, March 18, 2013 10:37 AM

Rob,

 

Thanks for the info, but there are no tabs to push in.  I even tried the stick method that texas guggested and I coud see that windows are smooth all the way along.  The car you show is the car I have.  When I slide my sticks along between the roof and the side wall they stop and  it it is very tight.  It almost seems like the roof is screwd on from the bottom.  There is a very tiny hole on the bottom on each end, but can't see in.  Holes are smaller than 1/6" in diameter.

 

Thank you

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Monday, March 18, 2013 12:18 PM

Trust me - the windows are so slightly raised on the observation, but they are there.  I'm not sure why they are so hard to see, but they are nearly invisible, and in the windows as I described.  If it can be made any more clear, the roof is actually reversible  - once you get it off, it can go on either way, so it's actually the same exact windows on each side.

You have to take a leap of faith and pretend you see them there, and use my method(don't wedge up the roof or pry it):

(This is a PE observation car)

The secret to getting these apart without tools is to squeeze the windows in from the bottom or sides instead of trying to reach over the top... hold the car in front of you with the side windows facing to your left & right between your hands.

Press in on the "notched/raised" rear windows with both index fingers using a pushing up motion at the same time to "unlock" the raised tabs from the windows. Switch to the front windows(turn the car around) and do the same. Repeat on back windows again... usually by this time you have opened up the roof enough to get a grip on the roof panel and raise it straight up & out of the car.



On the observation car pictured above, there are three small screws that go up into the overhang that must be removed first.

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Posted by gwalk2010 on Monday, March 18, 2013 2:19 PM

Bob,

I have tried everything and no go.  I even took a pencil eraser and pushed in on the correct windows on both sides and my wife tried to lift off the roof no movement.  I saw several comments on the net that Lionel used the 9502 President Washington observation car from 1973 and put on the buntings to get rid of some of the inventory.  I understand that the 1973 manufacured cars open up differently, but I can't find this information.  Knowing my luck I may have one of these.  I don't want to damage the bunting to peak underneath.

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Posted by gwalk2010 on Monday, March 18, 2013 2:50 PM

Bob,

I did some more checking and found out that I definitely have the 9502 car from 1973.  The 1973 cars had plastic trucks and plastic non operating couplers.  The 1976 cars had die cast trucks and metal operating couplers.  If you have any idea or know where I can find information on the President Washignton 9502, I would appreciate it.

Thank you for your time so far.

Retired920

 

 

 

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Monday, March 18, 2013 3:56 PM

On the chance you do have an early car, turn it upside down and check for 6 white tabs/nubs protruding through the slots in the floor.  If these are present, you must take one more step and remove those nubs with a hobby knife, as they are actually part of the roof casting.  This "feature" was discontinued quickly when it was determined the window nubs/tabs alone were enough(or a service station went to change a bulb on the first one to blow out!).

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Posted by krapug1 on Monday, March 18, 2013 4:27 PM

If you go to my Lionel/MPC Yahoo Group, you'll find the directions for taking apart the Milwaukee Road 9500 cars.  This includes where to cut the tabs away. This document is in the files section.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LionelMPC/?yguid=158658952 

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Posted by gwalk2010 on Monday, March 18, 2013 6:22 PM

Rob,

Cut tabs, pryed the top off with butter knife.  Thanks again for the info and your time.  Now I know why General Mills  stayed with making cereal.

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Posted by gwalk2010 on Monday, March 18, 2013 6:24 PM

Thanks again.  Roof off, very happy.

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Posted by Tower49 on Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:12 PM

Thank You Jon!  This was the best explanation I've ever seen.  I sure wish MPC gave such forward instructions when I bought the Broadway Limited set back in 75.   I had a few bulbs go out about 15 years back and never changed them because I didn't want to damage the car getting to them.

Thanks again!  (BTW nice NH EP-5!)

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Posted by JOSEPH A MURPHY SR on Monday, May 23, 2022 1:59 PM

That's fine for the pulman passenger car. How about the baggage car ? No windows just doors. I have a pullman set I bought abt 20 yrs ago, 3 passenger and one baggage. want to change a bulb in the baggage car.

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:10 PM

JOSEPH A MURPHY SR

That's fine for the pulman passenger car. How about the baggage car ? No windows just doors. I have a pullman set I bought abt 20 yrs ago, 3 passenger and one baggage. want to change a bulb in the baggage car.

 



If there are no windows, what is the purpose of the bulb?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 2:02 PM

Baggage cars will typically have doors with windows.  MTH made baggage cars without interior lighting about the 20 year back time that Mr. Murphy mentioned but I'm not sure about Lionel.

That being said if it's a Lionel Madison car there's only two, possibly three ways of getting the roof off to get at the bulbs.  If it isn't a squeeze the window and lift the roof method (look at those doors carefully) then check the underside of the car for screws that hold the roof on.  The third way would be to get a firm grip on both ends of the car and twist it.  Maybe the roof will pop off that way. 

Just to add, some streamline cars have circular "vents" on the roofs that are actually knobs you turn off to remove the roof. 

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Posted by pennytrains on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 8:49 PM

It's always interesting to scroll up through these old threads and see names and faces we haven't heard from in a long time.

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 9:56 PM

ADCX Rob
 
JOSEPH A MURPHY SR

That's fine for the pulman passenger car. How about the baggage car ? No windows just doors. I have a pullman set I bought abt 20 yrs ago, 3 passenger and one baggage. want to change a bulb in the baggage car.

 

 

If there are no windows, what is the purpose of the bulb?



But really, here is the Milwaukee baggage car. It has one bulb, and 4 tabbed windows to press in for unlocking the roof & window piece. Same method as all of the other cars.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:58 AM

We should add that if the roof's never been off it's going to be a bit "sticky," so you'll have to work it a bit. 

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