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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Sunday, January 22, 2023 4:03 PM
Happy Anniversary
 

January 22, 2008  -  January 22, 2023

 

Celebrating

15

 years

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Pre War American Flyer Pictures

Each year when this day rolls around I am amazed that I am still making additions to this thread.  It has been a great joy to participate in this hobby and to take stock of the friends that I have made because of it.  One of the things that I have noticed is that there is much less participation in postings here, as I mentioned last year.  It should come as no surprise when I consider that I don't find very many "new" items to add to the collection after 15 years. I have discovered many other sources that have sprung up on the internet that provide photographs and information about Pre War trains and I know that those who used to post here have moved on to those sites.  It is still great fun to see the enthusiasim of those of us who participate in The World's Greatest Hobby.

I intend to participate here for as long as I can or for as long as the thread exists answering questions and posting new finds. There is still great stuff to find out there. In honor of year 15 let me post some photos of set #315 from 1939

Cars with 6 wheele trucks

 I would have liked to post set No. 15 from 1938 but I don't have the complete set.

At this point I have the cars  - 4 wheel trucks. I don't have the engine for them yet.  So my quest for the next year is to find the No. 4622-6 locomotive.  

 See, the quest never ends.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Thursday, January 19, 2023 4:43 PM

Northwoods Flyer
 

Now all I need is a Presidents Special in two tone Roles Royce blue

Edit:

The Wide Gauge stock car also came in a two tone blue color scheme.

Somewhere in my collection I also have street lights that are in the same two tone color combination.

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As I was sorting through photos in the archive I came across the #2209 street lights that I mention above that came in the blue color scheme.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Monday, January 16, 2023 8:34 AM

palallin,

Ah yes the beautiful blue Flying Colonel set.  It has been on my list for years; ever since I picked up this orphan from the 1927 lithographed Presidents Special.

I've had to be satisfied with these repainted cars in O gauge (rare birds in my collection) until I find the rest of the family

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Posted by palallin on Monday, January 16, 2023 7:24 AM

I, too, like the two-tone blue, but I *really* like the military blue of the Flying Colonel, my Flyer Unicorn-made-of-Unobatnium set.

There is a vey reasonable Persidential Specicial on the Evil auction Site right now.

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Posted by pennytrains on Sunday, January 15, 2023 7:55 PM

Interesting.  Ward's also had special run blue Lionel 33's with matching 35 and 36 passenger cars.  Although the Lionels are usually referred to as "midnight blue".  I wonder, was blue a prominent thing with Ward's the way red was with Macy's?

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Sunday, January 15, 2023 2:57 PM

Hi strainst,

Thanks for the doing the work of restoring your photos.  I still need to take on that daunting task for the early part of this thread.

The photos of storage under the Blue Board Central are from the archives.  The layout came down 3 years ago.  The new layout will be named "The Arrowhead Division of American Flyer Lines". At least it will be when it finally gets built.

The 318X cars are most frequently seen in the Potomac Set

As I posted above the; Montgomery Ward set came in the two tone blue color scheme with Golden State brass name tags on the 318X cars.

  

And here are the 328X cars in the boxed "The Jeffersonian" set that I have. The set is also in two tone blue.

Now all I need is a Presidents Special in two tone Roles Royce blue

Edit:

The Wide Gauge stock car also came in a two tone blue color scheme.

Somewhere in my collection I also have street lights that are in the same two tone color combination.

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Posted by strainst on Saturday, January 14, 2023 1:40 PM

Northwoods, that is one fine looking set.  I have always loved to two tone blues that Flyer used on their trains.  I spent the Chrismas holidays finding my prior posting and was able to update all of my photos so they no longer have the photo-bucket water marks.  A couple posting back where you are showing the boxes you have collected, is the blue board up and running at your new home?

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, January 14, 2023 9:53 AM

318X Cars

Recently I spotted the cars below on ebay.

I was a bit puzzled by them because they are the size of the 8 1/4" cars that come in the Potomac set that are rookie tan and green, but they were the colors of the 9 1/4" Golden State set, and included the "Golden State" name boards.

I went to my Greenberg guide and on pages 150 -151 I found the information that cleared up the mystery.  The cars are part of a set that was marketed through Montgomery Ward circa 1930. The cars were headed up by a 3116 in matching colors or by a 3191 locomotive.

I have the steam engine that would have headed the set.

And the tender that would have accompanied the engine pulling these cars,

Its nice to find somethiing new in the reference book I thought I knew pretty well.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, January 14, 2023 9:46 AM

318X Cars

Recently I spotted the cars below on ebay.

I was a bit puzzled by them because they are the size of the 8 1/4" cars that come in the Potomac set that are rookie tan and green, but they were the colors of the 9 1/4" Golden State set, and included the "Golden State" name boards.

I went to my Greenberg guide and on pages 150 -151 I found the information that cleared up the mystery.  The cars are part of a set that was marketed through Montgomery Ward circa 1930. The cars were headed up by a 3116 in matching colors or by a 3191 locomotive.

I have the steam eangine that would have headed the set.

(posting problems - I'll be back)

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Friday, January 13, 2023 10:43 AM

Pallalin,

Over the course of my collecting career my attitude toward boxes has changed. I used to go for the unboxed examples because of the price. Now if given the opportunity I look for boxed examples.  It cuts down on the number of things that I buy. My collection long ago exceeded the amount of space that I have for display so much of the collection gets stored in boxes; either the original boxes or the wonderfully uniform free postal boxes. I rotate the items on display so eventually every thing gets its time to be admired.

I like the boxes because of their age and the realization that they have survived a long time doing their job of protecting their contents.  I have even been known to buy empty original boxes to put some of my unboxed items into.  And I have a few empty boxes that are waiting to be filled; the most exciting one is the box for the engine for the American Flyer Presidents Special.  It will be a day of celebration when I finally add that to my collection. I find it easier to store items in their original boxes.

Here are some photos of storage under the Blueboard Central Division of American Flyer Lines.

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Posted by palallin on Friday, January 13, 2023 7:03 AM

Those boxes are beautiful!  I remember as a kid AHM boxes that had images on them of other items to get, and I think it both funny and interesting to see the same thing on boxes many yearws older.  The AHM boxes on me, so i suspect these Flyer boxes were effective in their own time.

Usually, if I have the choice between a boxed item and an unboxed item, I go for the unboxed, not because I don't admire or even treasure the boxes, and not usually becasue of price, but because I just don't have the room to store the boxes.

My only exception to that policy is Marx sets.  I have a few target sets, and I like them to be in boxes (which actually make storing the sets easier when they ar ento on display).

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Thursday, January 12, 2023 11:51 AM

Thanks for the suggestion fife.  Bow

I can give it the name of "The Valentine Special"  Big Smile

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Posted by fifedog on Thursday, January 12, 2023 10:09 AM

Well...looks like you're all set for Valentine's Day. Kisses

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Thursday, January 12, 2023 8:56 AM

Here is the set that came with the accessories posted above.

Its not a cataloged set however it has an iteresting story to tell about how it was assembled and how it was marketed,

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Monday, January 9, 2023 12:11 PM

The two boxed items above (the #91 Freight Station and the #2020 Water tank) are part of a train set that I purchased a while ago from a person who bought them from the original owner. Below are some of the other items that came along with them. The Watchman's Tower is pictured with the box that it came in, however the box is not correct for that piece and unfortunately the box has lost the original number that was on it.

I'll be back to post photos of the engine and cars that came with these accessories.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Tuesday, December 6, 2022 10:09 AM

NWL,

I am always amazed at the depth of your collection and the condition of the pieces. Thanks for the postings.

Here is another boxed accessory that I picked up in the train set that I bought. Its the #2020 Water Tower. Even though the box is water stained I enjoy that American Flyer used it as extra advertising space.

 

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Saturday, November 26, 2022 6:37 PM

To diverge into some of the earlier examples of the predecessors to the 1096,

the 1101 c. 1922 with cast iron frame

The 1101 c. 1923 and later with sheetmetal frame

The 1101 transitioned into the 1095, which came in black, green, and the very difficult to find brown.

 

I believe the 1095 transitioned into the 1096 in 1925

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Posted by Nationwidelines on Saturday, November 26, 2022 6:26 PM

Since Northwoods was posting photos of the 1096 variations, here are a few more

c. 1925

 

c. 1926 lithographed

c. 1926 overpainted lithograph (as evidenced by the few chips to the black paint)

c. unknown Empire Express 1196

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, November 19, 2022 1:54 PM

American Flyer Fast Freight Station    #91

This small litho station is relatively easy to find in my experience and I see photos of it on many layouts. It was produced and available separately in 1931 and 1932.

It is not often found in its original box.

It is found on other trackside accessories in conjunction with other stations.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Tuesday, September 27, 2022 11:22 AM

Here is another variation of the 1096.  This one is black.

I have it paired with two of the green "Seattle" 1120 coaches.

I believe that it is one of the earlier versions because of the roof mounted brass headlight housing.

Notice that it also has a roof mounted bell.

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Posted by mersenne6 on Saturday, September 24, 2022 2:28 PM

The red pilot is correct - I have two of them and both are in boxed sets.  The pantographs in your picture do look like reproductions but the engine did come with two different roof configurations - a bell and a pantograph or two pantographs.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, September 24, 2022 9:56 AM

I actually have two of the red 1096 with red pilots.  The second one is in the queue to be photographed.  I will have to take a closer look at both of them.  The 1096 on the cover of the Greenberg Guide has a red pilot too. The example shown in the text is difficult to see and it appears that it has a red pilot too.  I'll be back,

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Posted by pennytrains on Friday, September 23, 2022 6:08 PM

The red pilot is a nice touch but it certainly doesn't look like factory paint.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Friday, September 23, 2022 3:25 PM

Here is another version of the 1096 that I dug out of storage.  Notice that this one has red cowcatchers. It also has 2 brass pantographs that I suspect are reproductions.  I have it matched up with an 1120 coach and an 1120 observation, both with red roofs.

 

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, September 17, 2022 2:56 PM

I have been through some of the boxes that I packed up 3 years ago when we made our move.  I discovered that I have quite a few variations of the #1096.

I believe that this is the #1096 from 1927 as it was used in Set #1102 "The Suburban"

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Posted by trainsrfun on Sunday, May 15, 2022 7:12 AM

OK-- thanks for your help!

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