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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Monday, March 7, 2022 10:56 AM

I'm not sure why the error message is showing.  I will try to quote the current post and see if it shows.

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I recently received the new American Flyer Wide Gauge Sets book by Fritz Von Tagen and Alan Schuweiler. All I can say is that it is superb. If you have the least interest in American Flyer Wide Gauge it should be in your library.  I have been doing research on items in my collection and it has helped me identify several items. I now know where some of the pieces belong in sets.  I have had two #4151 Pullmans in my collection for years.  They have red roofs instead of the more common green roofs.

I originally thought that a previous owner might have swapped out the roofs.  However when I did a thorough reading of the Wide Gauge book by Schuweiler (copyright 1989) I found them listed there as a variation with NRS and a request for confirmation of their existance.

In the new Wide Gauge Book on sets I found a photo of the entire set listed in the section on Uncataloged Sets on page 138. The authors identify it as the Modified Statesman Set from Circa 1932. If you have the book take a look. (I won't post a photo here because I don't have permission). Now I know what to look for to complete the set.

I'll be looking through the other items in my collection to see what other sets I can assemble or complete.  Thanks Fritz and Al!

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 3:45 PM

The Brigadier

The Brigadier 1931-1932 Set #1474

For a number of years now I thought that I had the Brigadier set. Now that I have the new Wide Gauge Sets book it turns out that I don't. My set just looks like the Brigadier.

My set was on display for quite a few years and has been packed away since we moved.  I finally dug it out and discovered that the cars are correct.

#4331 Pullman

 

#4332 Observation

The engine that headed up The Brigadier is a #4644/RC (Remote Control).  I have a 4644 Manual Reverse as you can see by the reversing lever sticking up through the roof.

 

Not only that, after closer inspection I discovered that my #4644 is actually a repaint.  Oh well, now I have something else to hunt for.  The WG book is a great resource.

 

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Posted by JonEddy on Wednesday, April 6, 2022 10:11 AM

Sorry I haven't posted here in a while. I recently bought a 1936 Hudson 1680 and whistling tender with several cars that I know didn't come with them in a set. The 3010 tank car circa 1925-28 and the 3006 log car from the same era. Both of the freight cars below are from earlier in the Chicago Flyer timeline but these are the first two complete versions I have had and they look really good. The Hudson needed some work to get running but the whistling tender worked when I bought it.

 

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Posted by Nacaduct on Tuesday, April 19, 2022 12:23 AM

Hi all, what a fascinating thread and just a mountain of information!

I've recently picked up a 3/16 Royal Blue 556 set - the paint is pretty rough but the price was right.

Parts availability seems to be a maddening spectrum from easily found to unobtainium.  I'm really struggling with a few parts, and am wondering if you fine folks might know where to look?  Specifically seeking a new reverse unit drum (the teeth that engage the solenoid mechanism are broken), "chrome" journal covers, and the headlight/bulb socket assembly that clips to the shell.

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Posted by Leverettrailfan on Wednesday, April 20, 2022 2:21 PM

My first thought, is try Portlines Hobby Supply. They have flyer parts for both pre and postwar, and I'm positive you can get a new drum from them- not 100% sure about the other parts but if anyone has them I feel like they would.
As far as those journal box covers go, you can resort to looking for a junk car at a show that you can steal some off of if you have no other choice.

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Posted by CB&Q3007 on Sunday, May 1, 2022 8:53 PM

 

Sorry if this is redundant.  I am looking for information on the offerings of American Flyer wide gauge track. 

 

Is there a reference out there?  I have been searching for a while with no luck.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Monday, May 2, 2022 4:47 PM

Can you be a bit more specific about what kind of information you are looking for?

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Posted by trainsrfun on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 4:53 PM

Hello Northwoods Flyer!  Would you be kind enough to look at the posted photos of my Dad's prewar AF train set?  Any help you can give concerning the year the set was sold or any other information would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks. 

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Thursday, May 12, 2022 12:23 PM

These responses were posted on trainsrfun's thread:

Hi trainsrfun,

I have both editions of the Greenberg guide and it is interesting to see that the information about your engine differs in each edition.  Generally the second edition by Schuweiler has better information and uses a different identification system for engines.

There is no 616 listed in the second edition and I am not able to identify your engine.  Is your engine sheet metal or die cast? It looks to be sheet metal.  The illustration in the 1932 catalog looks like your engine and I think that your assessment is correct that someone cut down the side rods. The copper top of the boiler and the engine cab also have me puzzled.  I've never seen that before

I have a set of cars exactly like yours that came with a different engine, which I don't think started out life together.  Was your father the first owner of the of the set? I think that a good guess would be that the equipment is from circa 1932.  During that era American Flyer marketed their trains through a number of store accounts and other catalog companies.  I don't have access to those resources to do the research.  Mersenne6 and NationWideLines are both much more familiar with that area of American Flyer production and marketing.

There is a set of cars that come with a #614 and the same green cars but with orange roofs that have rounded or square roofs.  I have a set of each of those cars, and I know that Mersenne 6 has an identical set.

I'm not sure how heplful this information is but if I find out anything else I will be sure to share it with you.

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Mersenne 6 wrote:

The engine superstructure and tender are identical to the engine pictured with The Dictator over on page 7 of Northwood's American Flyer thread.  The motor, however, looks to be different.  As for the valve gear, I agree, it looks like someone cut down the valve gear on the engine on the Flyer thread.  


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PS

Nation Wide Lines pointed out that the engine is a Type XVIII Variation B on pages 92-93 in Schuweiler's edition

 

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Posted by trainsrfun on Sunday, May 15, 2022 7:12 AM

OK-- thanks for your help!

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, September 17, 2022 2:56 PM

I have been through some of the boxes that I packed up 3 years ago when we made our move.  I discovered that I have quite a few variations of the #1096.

I believe that this is the #1096 from 1927 as it was used in Set #1102 "The Suburban"

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Friday, September 23, 2022 3:25 PM

Here is another version of the 1096 that I dug out of storage.  Notice that this one has red cowcatchers. It also has 2 brass pantographs that I suspect are reproductions.  I have it matched up with an 1120 coach and an 1120 observation, both with red roofs.

 

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Posted by pennytrains on Friday, September 23, 2022 6:08 PM

The red pilot is a nice touch but it certainly doesn't look like factory paint.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Saturday, September 24, 2022 9:56 AM

I actually have two of the red 1096 with red pilots.  The second one is in the queue to be photographed.  I will have to take a closer look at both of them.  The 1096 on the cover of the Greenberg Guide has a red pilot too. The example shown in the text is difficult to see and it appears that it has a red pilot too.  I'll be back,

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Posted by mersenne6 on Saturday, September 24, 2022 2:28 PM

The red pilot is correct - I have two of them and both are in boxed sets.  The pantographs in your picture do look like reproductions but the engine did come with two different roof configurations - a bell and a pantograph or two pantographs.

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Posted by Northwoods Flyer on Tuesday, September 27, 2022 11:22 AM

Here is another variation of the 1096.  This one is black.

I have it paired with two of the green "Seattle" 1120 coaches.

I believe that it is one of the earlier versions because of the roof mounted brass headlight housing.

Notice too that it also has a roof mounted bell.

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