G'day Gents!
"They" say that the high today was 15 (F) . . . going to be colder tomorrow . . . Speaking of which, I'll be gone for most of the morning and into mid-afternoon. Soooooo, let's see if we have the guys to step up to keep us going.
A reminder: Saturday is now our ENCORE! - and - Photo Posting Day! Sundays we are CLOSED up tighter 'n a tick!
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS!
James at 11:47 AM ‘n 11:55 AM today: Surprise late morning visit!
FYI - Amtrak's Empire Builder runs from Chicago to Seattle, WA or Portland, OR (train "splits" at Spokane, WA). In order to get down to Sacramento, you'll have to take the Coast Starlight either in Seattle (where it originates) or down the coast a bit in Portland.
If Sacramento is your ultimate destination and you want to get there by the most direct rail route - it's the California Zephyr out of Chicago.
Suggest you check out the Amtrak web site where you can research all of the trains and create an itinerary through the reservations page "just for fun."
Interesting, but rather "involved" article regarding CTC. Would be nice to have some illustrations to support it, kinda like Eric provided. However, good stuff and always fits well ‘round here to get conversations going . . .
CM3 at 3:05 PM today: Answers to the "word Smythe" quiz . . . Figured I got half of ‘em correct, without "straining" my aging grey matter! <grin>
Chesapeake & Ohio is the answer to the "The Rhine, the Alps, and the Battlefield Line."
Source: http://mononrr.com/mpages/pages/rn.html#R
I know it MUST appear as if I attended EVERY significant sporting event in New York City back in the 50s ‘n 60s, but that's not really the case. HOWEVER, I was in Yankee Stadium that Sunday when Bednarik put the "hurt" on Gifford. I WASN'T in the Polo Grounds when Mays made that fantastic catch - and don't forget an equally unbelievable throw - BUT did watch in on TV!
I never really liked Giants football in Yankee Stadium, for I was "spoiled" by growing up with ‘em in the Polo Grounds.
Leon - give 'em all a drink, and Boris ring the ding!
Tom
Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; bricks for the boots; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Lovely cold weather here with several inches of scattered snow showers on the ground, all you have to do to move it is use a broom which is a good thing. Powers that be have had us running around and doing things.
A few comments and answers to the quiz.
Mike sent some more pictures. The P motor is at Harmon, NY - if you look sharp you can see a set of NYC RDC cars in the background. They were delivered "plain faced" and had the safety stripes added later (for obvious reasons).
The little view of GCT shows the NYC bldg. in the background as I remember it.
Nice shot of the Waldorf with the Empire State in the background.
The P Company ad is good because it gives an idea of how large a railroad it was - not just the NY Division.
Yankee Stadium (aka the House of Pain) as God intended it to be. I'll bet our "Steamed Proprietor (and LBL) both remember when the beloved Giants played there. IIRC, that was where Chuck Bednarik put an almighty hurt on Frank Gifford. An iconic picture from the day. Gifford was never the same after that. Also enjoyed the shot of the Polo Grounds, and I mentally replayed the film clip of Willie Mays making "THE CATCH" off Vic Wertz in the World Series. IIRC, again there was a huge Chesterfield cigarette sign in center field.
Eric sent comments as did Pete and Lars.
James posyted a CTC primer.
Last (but never least) our "Steamed Proprietor provided nostalgic items and other materials for our edification.
Here's the answer(s) to the politically correct quiz.
1] A canine which gives vent to his sentiment by a series of vocal effects seldom finds use for his bicuspids.
A: A barking dog never bites.
2] When urging abandonment or acceptance of an idea or course of action, one should also follow his own directives.
A: Practice what you preach.
3] Those that possess unusually little mentality frequently project themselves precipitately into situations where winged ethereal likenesses of man hesitate to perambulate.
A: Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
4] Evidence as to whether the custard is edible is only determined upon consumption.
A: The proof is in the pudding.
5] Egotism prophesies the speedy affect of the law of gravity.
A: Pride goeth before a fall.
6] Palatable animal tissue for one is like taking arsenic to another.
A: One man's meat is another man's poison.
7] Deviation from the ordinary or common routine of experience is that which gives zest to man's cycle of existence.
A: Variety is the spice of life.
8] Although one is the only remaining factor should not cast him as being low quality.
A: Last but not least.
9] Avoid calculating the possible number of your juvenile poultry before the usual period of incubation has been fully accomplished.
A: Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
10] A moving projectile does not attract leafy growths.
A: A rolling stone gathers no moss.
11] He who locks himself into the arms of Morpheus promptly at eventide and starts the day before it is officially announced by the rising sun excels in physical fitness, increases in economic assets, and celebrates with remarkable efficiency.
A: Early to bed, early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise.
12] The 212-degree mark is not obtained by visible mean in cooking.
A: A watched pot never boils.
Now for a brain-busting railroad question.
Which well-known eastern railroad had the slogan "The Rhine, the Alps, and the Battlefield Line?"
Work safe
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #11
Initially Posted on Page 143 on the "original" Thread
Here's something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains
NOW . . . A Complete RECREATION CAR Especially Designed for Your Pleasure In daily service on The Jeffersonian, popular all-coach streamliner between New York and St. Louis!
A dramatic highlight in Pennsylvania railroad's new equipment program, this colorful new recreation car provides amusement and entertainment for all ages. A luxurious game and reading lounge . . . a children's playroom . . . a sunken buffet lounge . . . miniature movie theatre - pleasure with variety. Be among the first to enjoy it! Reserve a seat on The Jeffersonian on your next trip! SO ROOMY AND RESTFUL - the new overnight coaches on The Jeffersonian. Only 44 seats to the car - and all reclining! You'll like the new lighting too - fluorescent, 4 times brighter but easy on the eyes. New-type air-conditioning adds still more comfort. EXTRA LARGE MODERN WASHROOMS, one for women, one for men at the end of each coach - handsomely decorated - with 3 glistening washstands and 2 toilet annexes. Enjoy these New Features at Low Coach Fares! THE JEFFERSONIAN . . . . . . . . . . Westbound . . . . . . . . . . Lv. New York . . . . . 6:15 P.M. Lv. Philadelphia . . . 7:43 P.M. Lv. Washington . . . 6:20 P.M. Lv. Baltimore . . . . . 7:05 P.M. Lv. Harrisburg . . . . .9:42 P.M. Ar. Columbus . . . . . 6:46 A.M. Ar. Dayton . . . . . . ..8:21 A.M. Ar. Indianapolis . . . .9:27 A.M. Ar. St. Louis . . . . . .1:50 P.M. . . . . . . . . . . Eastbound . . . . . . . . . . Lv. St. Louis . . . . . . 1:00 P.M. Lv. Indianapolis . . . . 5:07 P.M. Lv. Dayton . . . . . . . .8:13 P.M. Lv. Columbus . . . . . .9:35 P.M. Ar. Harrisburg . . . . . 6:51 A.M. Ar. Baltimore . . . . . . 9:23 A.M. Ar. Washington . . . .10:10 A.M. Ar. Philadelphia . . . . .8:52 A.M. Ar. New York . . . . . .10:25 A.M Recreation car facilities available to Baltimore and Washington passengers between Harrisburg and St. Louis.
PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD . . . . . . . . . . Serving the Nation . . . . . . . . . .
Enjoy! Tom
G-day Tom and all present.
Thanks Ruth, but I'm still on my first cup of coffee.
Just found some interesting articles on signaling.
Centralized traffic control (CTC) is a signalling system used by railroads. The system consists of a centralized train dispatcher's office that controls railroad switches in the CTC territory and the signals that railroad engineers must obey in order to keep the railroad's traffic moving safely and smoothly across the railroad. In the dispatcher's office is a graphical depiction of the railroad on which the dispatcher can keep track of trains' locations across the territory that the dispatcher controls. Larger railroads may have multiple dispatcher's offices and even multiple dispatchers for each operating division.
Development and technology
CTC was designed to enable the train dispatcher to control train movements directly, bypassing local operators and eliminating written train orders. Instead, the train dispatcher could directly see the trains' locations and efficiently control the train's movements by displaying signals and controlling switches. It was also designed to enhance safety by detecting track occupancy and automatically preventing trains from entering signal blocks already occupied by other trains (see interlocking).
The basic component of a CTC system is detecting track condition and occupancy. The track at either end of the signal block is electrically insulated, and within the block a small electrical current passes through the track. When a train passes a signal and enters a block, the metal wheels and axle of the train short-circuit the current, which causes a relay associated with the track circuit to itself become de-energized. (See track circuit and rail circuit.) Additionally, any fault in the rail or failure in the signal system, such as a broken rail, a cut wire, or a power failure, will cause the relay to de-energize. When this relay is de-energized, the system understands the track to be occupied or damaged, and the signals show it as such to prevent a train from proceeding and encountering harm.
Signals and signal blocks
The most prominent feature of CTC is its signals. Signals govern movement over the section of track, or signal block, between that signal and the following signal.
When calculating the size of the blocks and, therefore, the spacing between the signals, the following has to be taken into account:
A signal is placed where signal blocks meet. Separate signals are placed for trains traveling in opposite directions. Signals are generally placed on the right side of the track; however, opposing signals may both be mounted on the same signal mast in opposite directions or may be located on an overhead support system.
These signals are one of two types: an absolute signal, which is directly controlled by the train dispatcher and is located at a control point, or an intermediate signal, which is automatically controlled by the conditions of the track in that signal's block and by the condition of the following signal. Train dispatchers cannot directly control intermediate signals.
Signals have aspects and indications. The aspect is the visual appearance of the signal; the indication is the meaning.
Enjoy!
I will be back later for some more input on signals.
Info from: Wikipedia
James
Ruth- could I get a coffee and a turkey sandwich please. Thanks
Well, I think were going to warm up just a little here in the cold north. I see lars is enjoying himself in warm temperatures. <groan> I want to be there...
Eric- I think the next time I'm going to be taking the train up to the Grand Canyon. It sounds like a lot of fun. Since my grandparents live in Arizona and are only a 200 miles from the GC, I'm sure we will visit again. Also liked the picture you had. The white light caught my eye because, The U.S of A doesn't use them as much anymore. Some of the east coast lines like the old B&O may still use them. Outside of that I think there mostly gone.
Also thanks for showing the interior picture of the X1. Some really interesting controls in that locomotive.
Tom- That would be great if the rendezous could be held in Chicago. Like I said, I go each year and it's a lot of fun.
Your Great Northern passenger nostalgia caught my eye. This September I am probably going to Sacromento, CA by train. Infact the train that would take us out there would be the Empire Builder. Besides that, Nice nostalgia.
Pete- Pretty much what happens at the Chicago show is this. We drive down with some friends to Arlington Park, Illinois and stay at the Sheraton Hotel, since the show is held at the hotel in there convention center. There, O scale trains are sold swapped and bought. It's really fun. We have our own table and everything. After that we go around to some layouts in Chiacgo and enjoy watching models. It's just an all around good time.
Mike- I another nice selection of pics from you sir. I really liked the Grand Central terminal. Looking down on it is quite a new perspective on things. Also liked the milwaukee road Ad.
Thanks for sharing.
Happy Railroading
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #10
Initially Posted on Page 140 of the "original" ThreadHere's something to enjoy regarding the Union Pacific from an advertisement in The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956
Overnight - Every night between CHICAGO & DENVER Streamliner "CITY of DENVER" THIS SMART STREAMLINER FEATURES . . . * The very latest in Pullman equipment; de luxe bedrooms with newly designed, convenient lavatory facilities. Modern roomettes . . . no need to step into the aisle to lower or raise bed. Also long length, restful berths. * Coach seats built for complete comfort. Stretch- Out leg rests and reclining backs. All seats Reserved. * Unusually attractive dining car serving highest Quality of freshly prepared foods. * Beautiful club lounge for Pullman occupants and distinctive tavern car "The PUB" for all passengers. Early morning arrival in both Denver and Chicago WESTBOUND Lv. Chicago (Milw. Road) .......... 4:30 p.m. Ar. Denver (U. P.) ..................... 8:30 a.m. EASTBOUND Lv. Denver (U. P.) ..................... 3:30 p.m. Ar. Chicago (Milw. Road) .......... 8:45 a. m. UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD Enjoy! Tom
Denali Star - from my personal collection
A blue sky morning for the trek "up the hill" with Juneau the Wonder Husky! Temps are in the low single digits (F) and predicted to get to zero tomorrow. Wunnerful! <grin>
Coffee's freshly ground ‘n brewed, <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts ready for orderin' - and The Mentor Village Bakery case is "chock full o' pastries"! So, what's stoppin' ya
Lars at 12:12 PM yesterday: A "report" from sunny Marathon in the middle Keys! <envy> The guy knows how to make it "hurt," eh <grin>
Good to see ya, Mate and there's little doubt that this get-away of yours must rank right up there with the best. All that's missing is a train trip in a dome!
I try my best to NOT think about the current situation here at the bar insofar as numbers go. In the best of times, we'd always manage to have 3 or 4 morning Posts, a couple in the early afternoon, and several thereafter. Just call up the "original" Thread and go back about 15 months or so. Sure, there were times where things were "slack," but not at the levels we've become accustomed to ‘round here.
However, we do have a fine nucleus of guys who are far more in substance and interest in the overall sense. So, that's a sure-fire-winner in my book!
Thanx for the description of Phil's vessel! Also got your Email in response to the Rendezvous info sent yesterday.
You've captured my curiosity regarding Valentine's Day night . . . waiting for the story!
Pete at 3:31 PM yesterday: "Eagle Eye Pete" strikes again! I made the correction to the Wikipedia article - don't know where the "ft" came from. You surely have an eye for detail!
Sidewalks are difficult, but the footing is fine in spite of the icy underlay. Juneau is having NO problems! <grin>
An interesting question regarding the Empire Builder's stops . . . perhaps we'll get an answer from "one who knows"! I'll do a bit of browsing as well . . .
Thanx for the Encore! Rhyl submission ‘n link!
Mike at 10:44 PM yesterday: A URL report from "silent Mike" in frozen New York. (See what you're MISSING Lars <groan>)
The Polo Grounds was not only the first home for the Mets (I saw several games that inaugural season), but also for the New York Giants of baseball AND football. Saw scores of baseball games and dozens of football contents there. Great photo that rekindled some fond memories. Used to be able to see Yankee Stadium from certain vantage points in the upper decks of the Polo Grounds. Got a kick out of it when the Yanks were also at home and you could see the lights and so forth.
Most interesting NYC MUs - electrified - and the 3rd rail too! All brings back equally fond thoughts!
Nice RR ads, et al!
Eric at 1:05 AM today: Australia - ahhhhhh, what might have been.
At the end of a 5 year "hitch" (extended for one) I came across a "flyer" from the Government of Australia that was posted in the lobby of the building I worked in (U.S. Customs House, lower Manhattan). Seems that the Aussies were looking for high speed radio telegraphers and offered quite an "inducement" for anyone interested. They would pay your way to Australia,, by ship, and provide room ‘n board along with a job (payed much more than I made as a brand new E-6 in those days). The job was guaranteed for one year. At the end of that period, one had to make a decision whether to stay, and file for citizenship, or return home. I really gave it LOTS of thought, but obviously opted to remain with what I was doing. Was (and is) always something to think about.
For info on the GNs Ranch-Lounge cars, check out this URL: http://www.gngoat.org/ranch_car.htm
Essentially, six of the Empire Builder's lounge cars featured the "brands" and motifs of various ranches of the era. An interesting question and informative link - check it out!
Nice cab shot!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing. Tonight is Fish 'n Chips Nite! Dinner begins at 5 PM!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, it is time for an early breakfast! Yepp, you are right, coffee and a danish, if there is any left! Is that right, save one for TEX.
Tom – Beware of divorce lawyers! At least I did not forget what day it was today! We have to make sure we will survive another year! One way or the other. If I have to “dip” I’ll keep my eyes open for Boris. I had very definite plans to move to Australia 1966! Austrlia wanted people and had a drive in Scandinavia. They paid all costs if you stayed at least three years. I was going to move to Brisbane, Queensland. Also a place with no snow! I subscribed to a daily newspaper for several months to prepare myself. I’ll remember the pastries!If you are talking about my picture it is an EMU, Class X1. Used since 1967 (40 years this year!) for commuter trains around Stockholm. They are now being retired and scrapped and the last ones will probably be gone in a year or so. I have spent many hours operating those trains. Another Great Northern Railway ad! One question, what the kind of car is a Ranch-Lounge? At least I can say I have traveled on former Great Northern tracks. I had hoped to have some model trains to show this week, but I have been too busy at work. Thanks for the Standard! I have a train set gauge Number 1 and some tracks for it. I am thinking about using it for a Garden railway to be built after my retirement. Interesting info on toy and model trains! The last picture shows a Brio train (made in Sweden).
Class X1 cab before the ATC equipment was installed.
Lars – I think you saved your relationship with Ruth giving her flowers today! I don’t even want to think about what could have happened if you had missed that! We had only 65° F today, far from your 80’s! But we will probably hit 80 this coming weekend. Pete – I don’t know what the Chinese locos are going to look like, have not seen any pictures. I’ll see if I can find any. Thanks for the warning about taking the last pastry and TEX! The train with the older cars was indeed a special, pulled by a steam locomotive, a 2-6-4 Class S1. I’ll try to show a picture of it in a few days. Mike – Thanks for the drink! A whole bunch of interesting pictures and old ads! Even found a Class IORE! The body walls are made of 1.57” thick sheet metal to make those locos heavy.
Eric
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
New York connection weather report: Icy and the wind howls.
http://images.nypl.org/?id=495081&t=w
Corrour, England 1986
http://www.trainnet.org/Libraries/Lib019/CORROUR.JPG
Class IORE locomotive at Kiruna
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/149746032_f712693cd4_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/37178013_e6baf0f059_b.jpg
New York Central MUs
http://saulnadler.railfan.net/MYC_MUs_Manhattan.jpg
Grand Central Terminal
http://newyorkbirds.free.fr/manhattan/lower%20midtown/chrysler%20building/chrysler%20building%20-405%20lexington%20av.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/378082895_2478462a01_o.jpg
Pan Am Building
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/209834717_a52bf193f0_b.jpg
Tiny blurry picture of the old view
http://www.kinglyheirs.com/RailSiteLinksFiles/NewYorkCentral/GrandCentralFront.jpg
New York Central Building
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/Panam_ex.jpg
Park Ave
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/89/222216043_3b3b3cb4ee_o.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/293/newyorkmidtown1932uk9.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/105/252351139_014b622bbd_o.jpg
Ad, GM Electro-Motive and The Milwaukee Road
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/91/246236807_5c83615d12_o.jpg
Ad, Pennsylvania Railroad
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/291303163_76bd5d261d_o.jpg
Yankee Stadium
http://66.230.220.70/images/post/ny/113.jpg
Polo Grounds, first home of the Mets
http://66.230.220.70/images/post/ny/71.jpg
Mike
Hi Tom and all.
Yes RUTH they are some beautiful flowers from Lars. A pint of the usual,thanks.
JAMES Glad you liked the Amtak pics That was a interesting Belgium diesel, Eric provided some details, apparently there is only a few left in service now.
It would be good to hear any more details you have on the Chicago train show.
Thanks for the round.
ERIC This a good order for 500 electric locos. I wonder if the Chinese locos will be of simular appearance to the IORE locos.
Great picture. Is the train with the older cars in the left hand platform on a special, do you know which loco was hauling it.
Be careful having the late night Pastries,as any left over in the morning are given to the Our Place MascotsTEX tends to give a nip on the ankle if you have last one.
LARS You certainly know how to get back in to RUTH's good books. I will have a drink on your round if someone else calls in.There only seems a to be a 62 degree difference in temperature between where you are and here in Mid-MO.
Glad the e-mail is back on line, I had a simular problem a while back , but seemed to have cured itself, strange.
That seems a very interesting place where PHIL is going to take you all for Valentines Day. Are you going by boat.
TOM I bet Juneau enjoyed the snow,hope the sidewalks was not too slippery.
I sent the bride the great Valentines Day 'Amore'.
It would be interesting to know what different countries look in on the Classic Trains web-site I guess the magazine is sold in a lot of countries abroad.
Thanks for the Great Northern Railway nostagia. I wonder if the Empire Builder and the Western Star called at Rugby, North Dakota as the Amtrak Empire Builder does today. Have you ever been to Rugby N.D.. Thanks for the post on the Toy Train scales. Am I right in the first "V" scale the imperial width should be 4 5/8 inches not 4 feet.
I had a look back at the old Old Place and this was something I wrote then, I would like to post it again for model day
If you were travelling by rail to Ireland from England via Holyhead you would go along the North Wales coast. As the line gets to run near the sea there are stations serving the towns which are holiday resorts. One of these is a town called RHYL, as you approach the station westbound you go under a signal gantry, though with less than half the signal arms it had in the past. The main station building is still quite impressive but where the platforms were, that used to serve the many holidaymakers in summer when vacations were taken by train, is now a large supermarket. On leaving Rhyl station, after passing a H shaped bridge, on the right hand side, is a boating lake, if you are lucky you may see a minature steam train this is the Rhyl Minature Railway.Opened in 1911 it is the oldest UK minature railway. Rhyl was a favorite place for our vacation when I was a youngster and a ride on the train was a highlight, the train station was in the Fun Fair and took passengers around the boating lake. There is a great web-site, if you have time the history in words is worth a look. for pics of the locos etc.They have a Gagney of New York built c1910 4-4-0 loco.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~stownsen/rhyl/rhylmain.htm
The website is still there .
Well Ruth another Bathams please and a round .
Pete.
OPTIONAL Toy 'n Model Trains Day!
Initially Posted on Page 321 of the "original" Thread
Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Toy train A toy train is a toy that represents a train, distinguished from a model train by an emphasis on low cost and durability, rather than scale modeling. A toy train can be as simple as a pull toy that does not even run on track, or it might be operated by clockwork or a battery. Many toy trains blur the line between the two categories, running on electric power and approaching accurate scale. Standards The first widely adopted standards for toy trains running on track were introduced inLeipzig, Germany in 1891 by Märklin. Name . . . . . Width . . . . . Width . . . . . size . . . . . . . . . . Comments gauge . . . . . (metric) . . . . (imperial) Number 5 . . . . 120 mm . . . 4 5/8" . . . 1:8 . . . . . . . . . . Also known as V Gauge. Number 4 . . . . . 75 mm . . . 3 in. . . . . . 1:11 or 1:20 . . . . Also known as IV or 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . gauge. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Measurement is sometimes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . also quoted at 2 15/16 in. Number 3 . . . . . 67 mm . . . 2 5/8 in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . also known as III, II, IIa . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . gauges Number 2 . . . . . 54 mm . . . 2 1/8 in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . also know as II gauge. Number 1 . . . . . 45 mm . . . 1 ¾ in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Also known as I gauge. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Used by modern G scale. Number 0 . . . . . 35 mm . . . 1 3/8 in . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Introduced later, around 1900. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This is modern O gauge. Märklin measured the gauge as the distance between the centers of the two outer rails, rather than the distance between the outer rails themselves. Lionel's Standard gauge is allegedly the result of Lionel's misreading these standards, as are the variances in O gauge between the United States and Europe. Most of these standards never really caught on, due to their large size, which made them impractical to use indoors, as well as the high price of manufacturing. Wide gauge trains, which are close in size to 2 gauge, are produced in limited quantities today, as are 1 gauge and O gauge trains. Of these, O gauge is the most popular. An O gauge Marx toy train set made in the late 1940s or early 1950s. GNU Free Documentation The modern standards for toy trains also include S gauge, HO scale, N scale, and Z scale, in descending order of size. HO and N scale are the most popular model railway standards of today; inexpensive sets sold in toy stores and catalogs are less realistic than those sold to hobbyists. O gauge arguably remains the most popular toy train standard. Another size that is attracting interest among hobbyists is building and operating trains from LEGO, or L gauge, which is roughly 1/38 scale. Although the words "scale" and "gauge" are often used interchangeably, toy train manufacturers have only recently concerned themselves with accurate scale. The terms "O scale" and "S scale" tend to imply serious scale modeling, while the terms "O gauge" and "S gauge" tend to imply toy trains manufactured by the likes of Lionel and American Flyer. While S gauge is fairly consistent at 1:64 scale, O gauge trains represent a variety of sizes. O gauge track happens to be 1/45 the size of real-world standard gauge track, so manufacturers in Continental Europe have traditionally used 1:45 for O gauge trains. British manufacturers rounded this up to 1:43, which is seven millimeters to the foot. U.S. manufacturers rounded it down to 1:48, which is a quarter-inch to the foot. However, most engaged in a practice of selective compression in order to make the trains fit in a smaller space, causing the actual scale to vary, and numerous manufacturers produced 1:64 scale trains-the proper size for S gauge-in O gauge, especially for cost-conscious lines. Some of the earliest O gauge trains made of tinplate weren't scale at all, made to unrealistic, whimsical proportions similar in length to modern HO scale, but anywhere from one and a half to two times as wide and tall. Some adult fans of toy trains operate their trains, while others only collect. Some toy train layouts are accessorized with scale models in an attempt to be as realistic as possible, while others are accessorized with toy buildings, cars, and figures. Some hobbyists will only buy accessories that were manufactured by the same company who made their trains. This practice is most common among fans of Marx and Lionel. History Toy trains can be enjoyed by both children and adults. (Fair Use) The earliest toy trains date from the 19th century and were often made of cast iron. Motorized units running on track soon followed, powered by a steam or clockwork engine. Some of these trains used clever methods to whistle and smoke. Toy trains were revolutionized when Märklin, a German firm that specialized in doll house accessories, sought to create an equivalent toy for boys where a constant revenue stream could be ensured by selling add-on accessories for years after the initial purchase. In addition to boxed sets containing a train and track, Märklin offered extra track, rolling stock, and buildings sold separately, creating the predecessor to the modern model train layout featuring buildings and scenery in addition to an operating train. Electric trains followed, with the first appearing in 1897, produced by the U.S. firm Carlisle & Finch. As electricity became more common in the early 20th century, electric trains gained popularity and as time went on, these electric trains grew in sophistication, gaining lighting, the ability to change direction, to emit a whistling sound, to smoke, to remotely couple and uncouple cars and even load and unload cargo. Toy trains from the first half of the 20th century were often made of lithographed tin; later trains were often made mostly of plastic. Prior to the 1950s, there was little distinction between toy trains and model railroads-model railroads were toys by definition. Pull toys and wind-up trains were marketed towards children, while electric trains were marketed towar
G'day Cap'n Tom & fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth my deAH - these flowers are for YOU, along with the box of chocolates. Please accept them as a token of my affection for YOU and all you've done to brighten up this joint place!
A tankard of Keiths, a Lars special hero sandwich of ham, Swiss, mustAHd 'n buttAH, two pickles from the barrel and of course a saucer of brine for Tex, a tray of seeds for Awk, ice cubes for Frostbite and a small jar of pickled pig's feet for Boris! <phew> Oh yes, a round for the house whenever it is a crowd should appear! <geesh>
Sunny day here in the Keys, some clouds but really nice all around. Touching the 80s about now and hard to believe some of you are freezing your butts off! <ha> Sorry!
The boat! Sorry 'bout that. Forgot to mention that Phil's vessel is a 39 ft Silverton, sleeps six comfortably, nice cabin layout, twin Volvo diesels, "all" of the latest electronics along with a great flying bridge. A "babe" magnet for sure! HOWEVER, since we're a couple of "codgers" who are VERY married, what good does that do us, huh
Some fine stuff posted on these past few pages and it's good to see the continuing activity at the bar. Looking at the list of customers that Cap'n Tom amassed, it's rather impressive when viewed as a whole. Of course, to get everyone here within a reasonable "window" of time is another story. Wonder how many guys actually showed up at the same time frames in the "old" days when the bar was humming along I recall seeing an awful lot of mention of slow days in past pages. Maybe we're not in such bad shape after all, just far different hours to keep.
My e-mail is back on line. So, here's the "scoop" last one I received from anyone at the bar was from Tom about the Rendezvous hotel arrangements (last week). So, please resend anything since then, thanks!
Really a "neat" way to kick off Valentine's Day, Cap'n Tom and my guess is the gals just love it! My Mrs. got a kick out of the little girl kissing the boy. She says that all changes PDQ as they get older. Wonder why she mentioned that
An interesting bunch o' stuff from Shane, but it surely "bent my mind" to dwell upon them. I'll wait for the answers, thank you very much!
Great Northern ads look good anytime you post 'em, Cap'n Tom! I like reading through those kinds of things as it brings back to mind some memories of when the magazines and newspapers ran ads for passenger train travel; billboards too.
Canadian events for the month of February was a winnAH along with the fine inclusive posts from all the guys - Pete 'n Eric in particular.
We're about to head out for the rest of the day into the evening. Phil says he knows of a place in one of the Keys where Valentine's Day is made to be even more of a special event. We're looking foward to it, but has me wondering Hmmmmm. Nah - I don't think the gals from that pre-Super Bowl gala would be there. Nah. <grin>
I'll try to connect with y'all before week's end . . .
Until the next time!
Lars
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #9
Initially Posted on Page 139 of the "original" Thread
Here's something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with Classic Trains. Check these combined-advertisements out (from The Official Guide of the Railways - 1956) Great Northern Railway (GN)
GREAT NORTHERN Empire Builder-Western Star-Newest and Best to the Pacific Northwest DIESEL AND ELECTRIC PASSENGER LOCOMOTIVES BETWEEN CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEPOLIS AND SEATTLE-PORTLAND. THE EMPIRE BUILDER CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORLAND with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA NO EXTRA FARE. ALL ACCOMMODATIONS RESERVED. MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT. Coach. Great Dome Reclining Seat Coaches. Ranch-Lounge. Diner. Sleepers. Great Dome Luxurious Full Length Dome Lounge with colorful beverage lounge in lower section. Note: specifics regarding car #, between and accommodations have been omitted. GREAT NORTHERN Direct Route to Glacier National Park in Montana Rockies. THE WESTERN STAR CHICAGO, ST. PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS, GREAT FALLS, GLACIER PARK, SPOKANE, SEATTLE AND PORTLAND via St. Cloud with Direct Connections to and from TACOMA, BRITISH COLUMBIA AND CALIFORNIA and Direct Connections at GREAT FALLS and from HELENA AND BUTTE MODERN STREAMLINED EQUIPMENT. Reclining Seat Coach. Day-Nite Reclining Seat Coaches. Dining Car. Coffee Shop Car. Pullman Sleeping Cars. Observation-Lounge. Note: specifics regarding car #, between and accommodations have been omitted. Enjoy! Tom
With Valentines we think of love
and of course that's Amore
When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pieThat's amore.
When an eel bites your hand and that's not what you plannedThat's a moray.
When our habits are strange and our customs derangedThat's our mores.
When your horse munches straw and the bales total fourThat's some more hay.
When Othello's poor wife, she gets stabbed with a knifeThat's a Moor, eh?
When a Japanese knight used a sword in a fightThat's Sa...mur...ai.
A woman walks into a post office and notices a middle-aged,well-dressed man standing at the counter methodically placing"Love" stamps on bright pink envelopes with hearts all over them. As he seals each envelope he sprays it with a puff of perfume.The woman's curiosity gets the better of her, so she goes up to theman and asks what he is doing. The man replies, "I'msending out 1,000 Valentine cards signed, 'Guess who?'""But why?" she asks."Because I'm a divorce lawyer," the man replies.
From: http://www.humormatters.com/holidays/Valentines/valentines.htm
Depending on where one lives in this area of mid-continent USA, it was feast or famine regarding the snow fall. We received about 5 inches, but there's a layer of ice beneath it and it was formed over nearly an inch of water. Right now it's well below freezing (F) and just looks like a winter wonderland!
Time for a cuppa Joe, pastries and a <light> or <traditional> breakfast!
Hope y'all didn't forget what today IS! Sweethearts have MEMORIES!
Pitchers ‘n catchers report to Cardinals spring training TODAY!
Pete at 7:12 PM yesterday: Many thanx for the visit and excellent contribution to the discussion(s) going on at the bar.
It always has been a wish of mine to have an Aussie and a Kiwi on board here at the bar. Great people fer sure, fer sure! But, we've discussed that before, eh Just a matter of time, and perhaps it'll come true . . .
Glad you enjoyed the Customers List . . . now if we could only get some "routine" activity from ALL! Something to "shoot" for, eh
James at 8:40 PM yesterday: With a bit of luck it may be Chicago, next year for the 3rd Annual "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous! Who knows, maybe we'll all get together in the "windy city"! It IS a great place for trains, eh Of course we've got to survive 2007 first, eh
I've been to the Grand Canyon twice - once in 1953 on a cross-country rail trip from NYC to Santa Ana, California (Boy Scout Jamboree). Then in 1988 on my return from California and retirement for what I did for a living over a 32-year career. Both times I had my picture taken at the old Santa Fe depot at the Canyon - and believe it or not, pretty much in the same spot! Amazing coincidence. However, the guy in the Pix looks quite different by comparison!
Eric at 12:27 AM today: The upstairs "cash tub" was begun by Nick, our former Chief Chef and now Permanent Member of the Legion of the Lost. Anyway, he was helping to keep this place going during one of my rail trips to Canada and "made" so much money, he had to put it somewhere. So, we've kinda kept it going, using it for parties (Bashes), salaries, and the like. So, customers in "good standing" surely can "dip" from time to time should their needs permit. Boris does keep "watch" over it though, but since he's a Cyclops, it's pretty easy to "sneak" past him! <grin>
Interesting that you also had considered moving to and living in Australia in the 60s. So did I! Somewhere on the Pages of the "original" Thread is my "story." Always have had a fascination with the land "down under" and as time marched on, still do. Made some great acquaintences with some Aussie Federal Police while I was in the LA area and we kept a degree of contact over the years, but that has faded into passing. One day . . .
Clarification is in order: pastries in The Mentor Village Bakery case are for consumption - any time! They get replaced each morning just before our 6 AM opening . . .
Great looking DMUs - tell us MORE!
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, tonight it is enough with a cup of strong coffee! If you can find a danish from this morni..., no forget it. I'll have a ham sandwich! And coffee. No, I don't want to polish any more brass rails yet.
A very quiet day at the bar, indeed. I certainly picked the right day to buy the drinks!
Tom – Since there were so few customers today I hope you had several drinks on me. I am sure Bombardier today is the largest locomotive manufacturer in the world. They just landed an order for 500 electric freight locos to China, 12,873 hp. It is based on the world’s most powerful locomotive today, the Swedish Class IORE (14,843 hp) also built by B.Maybe I could use the little dipper when no one can see me and dip into the upstairs tub? If not there is always plastic.Interesting events obviously happened in Canada in the month of February through the years. Today it is 53 years since the Quebec North Shore & Labrador Railway opened between Sept Isles, Quebec and Schefferville, Labrador!I like the list of first visits! The Great Northern ad just confirms the feeling I have that I missed a nice way of traveling by trains in the old(er) days! Too young!CM3 – I see that you pay more for the gas than we do here in Phoenix. The cheapest gas today was $2.19. Interesting family history!
Politically correct! I have to have a closer look but I’ll try the first one tonight in case the Mighty Wonder Dog of the North is waiting for a translation. 1] A dog that barks does not have to use its (sorry, his) teeth (fangs) very often. Pete – The narrow gauge (600 mm) NO 5 is in great working condition. I agree about the end of locomotive manufacturing in Sweden and UK (or any country). I would also appreciate a customer from the Southern Hemisphere! Australia almost became my new homeland in the mid 60’s. James – Travel by train the the Canyon is the right thing to do! I guess it is time to to that again soon. The white light is always flashing when it is used. Except when indicating that a grade crossing is clear to pass and the auto traffic has been stopped.
G-day Tomand all present.
Leon- Could I get a coffee please along with a turkey sandwich please.
It's been awhile, So give the guys a round. I will pay..
Tom- I liked the Saturday encore about the RDC-1/ 3 train. Having a whole fleet of those would be cool. Atleast the NSSR here in Duluth still has one that operates. I also enjoyed looking at all the pictures from Chicago. Chicago is always a fun town to visit. We are going to Chicago in March for one of my dads favorite train shows, so that should be fun. Just looking at the "glass" Union station made me want to go back. A couple of years ago, we went for a ride on Metra and just looking at that station was unbelievable. It just gives you an idea of how many people go throught there a day.
Thanks for showing. Really enjoyed all the pictures.
Pete- I'm glad to hear South Wales didn't scrap all 200 steamers, and it's even better to hear that some have steam still in them. I also enjoyed looking at the Amtrak photo's you had posted. Some pretty nice shots.
I saw those interesting pictures of the passenger train near the boarder of Belgium. That is a very interesting locomotive to say the least. I have never seen anything like it. Do you have anymore info on it?
Eric- interesting chart of the Sweden Signal system. I see they use the white light indication. Very interesting.
The Grand Canyon is one of those marvals that you can't get enough of. And the railway is also really cool too. So you had a steamer pull your train a long. Well it sounds like you haven't been introduced to the FA1s they now own. They're really nice looking locomotives. So I will have to scan in the picture and show you guys.
Your question to the Milwaukee FP7, I would guess the 1960s some time. CM3 seems to have a pretty good idea of what train this might be so I would check with him. But I will do a little research behind this to find out. Infact I have a friend that would probably know.
mike- The movie scenes caught my eye. I have seen that movie, Danger lights. It was interesting. The whole movie was taken with the Milwaukee Road. So it was cool to see all the steamers in action. But it, does has it's dramatized parts that are a little less than real. If you know what I mean.
I also liked the picture with the Duluth incline station. The NSSR has a movie about that station and it is cool to watch those trolleys climb the hill.
Happy railroading
A pint of Holden's Golden Glow please RUTH, Cheers ERIC.
MIKE Many thanks for the links. I wonder if James can tell us if any parts of the Duluth Incline remain today.
Loved the Rugby Pics.They are quite historic pics as for the first time in over 100 years there is no girder bridge at the south end of the station. The bridge that carried the Great Central Railway, which closed in 1969, over the LMS was removed over the Christmas holidays.The abutment of the bridge can be seen in the last pic to the right of the first container in the train hauled by 90045.
The pics are a good selection of the locos that can be seen on frieght traffic through Rugby, although a couple of classes will not be seen for much longer, the 86/6 electric and the 57/0 diesel locos.
5 of the locos in the pics were built by GM or have GM power units( the 57 and the 66s).
In the pic of 92001 the length of the platform can be seen.In steam days the was a scissor crossing on both the north and southbound platforms controlled by small signal boxes, so two trains could be handled at the same time and the second train could go first. The station is being completly remodelled.
The class 92 electrics are named after notable European authors and composers and were designed for use with trains through the Channel Tunnel. They can work on two voltages, 25kv AC overhead and 750V third rail.The locos are equiped with Electric Train Services as they were going to be used to haul the regional passenger trains from Britain to mainland Europe via the Channel Tunnel, but this service never happened, some of the cars that would have formed the service are now used in Canada,as we have talked about in the bar. Some of the 92s have been in store for quite a while now as sad fate for locos just over 10 years old.
ERIC Thanks for the beer today.It is a shame to hear that the engineering in Sweden is going the same way as lot of it has gone in the UK. There is talk of two more cars being added to each Pendelino( 106 cars) but I suppose they will be built and assembled abroad now not at the Birmingham works.
Thanks for the photo of the narrow gauge N0 5 it is great looking loco in good condition .
CM3. That sounds an interesting book on the Lodging houses I wonder if the author is a distant relation.Many many years ago a Mr Wolfe from the U.S.A sent a letter with a dollar bill in it asking if we knew of a certain member of the Wolfe family who he thought had lived in our part of Rugby, many years ago. But we had to write back to tell the gentleman that we could not find any records of the person with the first name he gave us in the church records. I suppose nowadays it could be checked up on the computer.
By one of the industrial units here this weekend, there was a Boston & Maine boxcar it looked as though it was in a light blue livery, although the light was poor, but it did look in very good condition.
That is a good quiz. I think I have translated them all, but I could have some wrong.
TOM I think RUTH is still a bit miffed about LARS's 'present' so all I done was lent a sympathetic ear..
Well we didn't get the amount of snow they said we would here,only an inch or two, although it is going to be bitter cold the next few days they say.
It is good to hear about the good orders for Bombardier .I think the North American loco builders are doing well at the present as well, with some locos being exported. I think the American diesel locomotive builders have produced the best designs from the very start. It would be very interesting to know in how many countries around the world there are North American built diesel locomotives running today.
As you say, ask a question at the bar and it is soon answered. If there was a railroad quiz league I would back a team from Our Place against anyone.
Thanks for the Canadian RR History for February and the Great Northern Encores,what a great trip it must have been in a dome-car on the Empire Builder or even with some of the time in the Observation Car that is now at Union Station Kansas City..
Looking at the list of the 'Customers' it is good to see the different countries represented. I wonder if anyone from the Southern Hemisphere looks through the windows of the bar, as we have mention before it would be great if some one from New zealand or Australia were to join us.
Well LEON another 'Glow' please.
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #8
first Posted on Page 137 of the "original" Thread
Here's something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with Classic Trains. Check this advertisement out (from The Official Guide of the Railways - 1956)
Great Northern Railway (GN)
Great Way To CALIFORNIA via the Pacific NorthwestChicago-Minneapolis-St. Paul-Spokane-Seattle & Portland-San Francisco-Los AngelesTOWERING PEAKS in Glacier National Park in the Montana Rockies.LOFTY MT. RAINIER looks over Seattle and Tacoma.GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE is only one of the fascinating sights awaiting travelers in San Francisco.Rail Fare to San Francisco is no more on Great Northern's incomparable Great Dome EMPIRE BUILDERTo delight travel-experienced patrons who are planning a fall trip to California, suggest that they route themselves via the Pacific Northwest.Great Northern's EMPIRE BUILDER, now with Great Domes for both coach and Pullman passengers, takes the northern route across the nation - - more than two thousand miles of truly superb scenery.Your patrons will thank you for sending them on a route where they can see the Mississippi River Palisades, Glacier National Park, the Rocky Mountains of Montana and Idaho. the Cascades of Washington and Oregon.Connections with fine trains to and from California in Seattle or Portland. Rail fare from Chicago to San Francisco is no more via Great Northern.For information:P. G. HolmesPassenger Traffic ManagerGreat Northern RailwaySt. Paul 1, MinnesotaEnjoy! Tom
THE CUSTOMERS of "Our" Place after 22 months of business!
Rob - trolleyboy, first visit: 12 April 2005 - CHARTER MEMBER! Ontario, Canada connection!
CM3 - coalminer3, first visit: 14 April 2005. West Virginia, USA connection!
Doug - barndad, first visit: 12 July 2005. Illinois, USA connection!
Pete - pwolfe, first visit: 8 Aug 2005. Mid-Missouri, USA connection!
BK - BudKarr, first visit: 16 Sep 2005. Alberta, Canada connection!
Mike - wanswheel, first visit: 13 Nov 2005. New York, USA connection!
Lars - LoveDomes, first visit: 11 Jan 2006. New York City, USA connection!
Eric - EricX2000, first visit: 05 May 2006. Arizona, USA connection!
DL - DL - UK, first visit: 19 Sep 2006. Great Britain, UK connection!
James - CMSTPP, first visit: 19 Sep 2006. Minnesota, USA connection!
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
That's the list of folks we see ‘round here.
Eastern Missouri, USA connection!
Proprietor of "Our" Place,
An adult eating & drinking establishment!
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please and $ for the jukebox - I see where we have a "buyer" for the day - thank you, sir. The storm is all around us (weather, that is - not a metaphor) - No Boris, that's not a four pack of large cans of ale! Gas jumped to $2.36 in one hours time yesterday.
Pete sent a wide-ranging post.
Mike sent more pictures - I love looking at pictures as it saves me having to read (yeah, right!). Herewith a few comments on some of these offerings.
Check out the combine behind Rutland 93. It has truss rods - well, the RUT (I still miss it) got as much use out of their equipment as possible - similar to the Boston and Maine in that regard.
The N&W theatre car is an instruction car. I'll bet that was REAL comfortable during the summer.
Now, some of you know that I am a longtime student of the Civil War. No Boris, I wasn't there. McClellan's the sixth man from the left in the picture - the one who looks extremely uncomfortable (and with good reason) as the Great Tycoon, as Lincoln's personal secretaries called him, had not come to pay a social call. We had a family member in the 15th Mass. who took five shots at Antietam and survived although both of his arms and one leg were pretty well useless afterwards. So thanks for putting the link in there.
Before I forget, there is a relatively new book out titled The Eloquent President. It is about Lincoln as what used to be called a "speechifier." One of the chapters describes, with contemporary accounts (and PTL, a map), his trip from Springfield, IL to Washington for the inauguration. The chapter has lot of good insight into the rail operations of the day. The author includes a parallel description of Jefferson Davis's inaugural trip from Mississippi to Alabama for his inauguration - again a lot of fascinating material.
Re the W&OD - A LOOONG time ago, in response to OSPs post on the Washington and Old Dominion, I posted on the old thread a short history of the line. I am sure it's still there.
Lodging houses were not all that uncommon. Thomas Wolfe's novel, Look Homeward Angel has some good descriptions of them, their inhabitants, and the folks who ran them.
Our ‘Steamed Proprietor is with us as well with Canadian material. Is it really 22 mos.? Seems like it was yesterday.
Here's a good one. Will send answers along later this week. Talk about politically correct language - your task is to "translate" them into plain wording. First one is for the Mighty Wonder Dog of the North.
Significant events in Canadian RR History
during the month of February.
Initially Posted on Page 243 of the "original" Thread
*February 25th, 1832: The Champlain & St. Lawrence Railroad becomes the first Canadian railroad charter. The route runs from Dorchester (St. Jean) to a point near Laprairie on the St. Lawrence. *February 15th, 1881: By Royal Charter, the Canadian Pacific Railwaybecomes incorporated, pursuant to the Act. Included in the terms are the railways Port-Arthur-Selkirk-Winnipeg-Emerson and Port Moody-Savona. Additionally the CPR receives a subsidy of $25 million and 25 million acres of land. *February 24th, 1888 The Grand Trunk Railway acquires the Northern & Northwestern Railway, 494 miles long. *February 1898: The first railway in North America to illuminate its cars with acetylene gas in the Pontiac & Pacific Junction Railway. * February 16th, 1931: The first break through in the tunneling under the Plains of Abraham to Quebec City's Wolfe's Cove Harbour Terminal. * February 10th, 1950: The Canadian National Railway assumes control of the Temiscouata Railway, with trackage from Rivière du Loup to Edmundston and from Edmundston to Connors. * February 9th, 1951: The Royal Commission on Transportation produces its report from the Turgeon Commission. * February 16th, 1951: A self-propelled rail diesel car (RDC-1) begins testing with the Canadian National Railway between Ottawa and Montreal). * February 1952: Lagauchetiere Street, Canadian National Railways tunnel station in Montreal is demolished for the laying of more trackage into Central Station. * February 1st, 1953: A Budd RDC is placed into trial service on the Mont Laurier-Montreal run of the Canadian Pacific Railway. * February 13th, 1954: With construction begun in 1950, the Quebec North Shore & Labrador Railway opens between Sept Isles, Quebec and Schefferville, Labrador. * February 4th, 1958: The Kellog Commission provides its findings on the use of firemen on diesel locomotives. * February 14th, 1989: Vancouver's Skytrain opens the New Westminster to Columbia Expo Line. * February 8th, 1986: Hinton, Alberta is the site of a head on collision between a VIA Rail passenger and Canandian National freight trains; claiming 23 lives. * February 1st, 1989: Canadian National Railways drops the caboose from its freight trains. * February 26th, 1999: Ontario Southland begins operations using the CP Port Burwell subdivision between Ingersoll and Tillsonburg, Ontario. Information contained in this compilation was obtained from internet public domain sources and materials from my private RR library collection. The use of this information is strictly for pleasure without intent of monetary reward or profit of any kind. Enjoy! Tom
A rainy turning to icy morning here in mid-continent USA. Calling for 5 to 8 inches of snow before it ends tonight - temps hovering at the freezing mark (F) - not a nice start. Rained most of yesterday afternoon and all night - lotsa water. Too bad it wasn't white stuff!
What better way to start Tuesday than with a hot mug of Joe, pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board
DRINKS ARE FREE TODAY for all of our customers - THANX to Eric!
Pete at 4:17 PM yesterday: In spite of my giving Ruth the afternoon off, she stuck ‘round. Must've known YOU were coming in! Hmmmmmm. Does Lars know of this And of course, does the Mrs. <ohhhhhhh boy> Anyway, thanx for the Anniversary acknowledgment!
Always sorry to read about the demise of plants ‘n companies associated with the manufacture of railroad equipment. My guess is Canada's Bombardier (Montreal) is now the world's largest, fer sure, fer sure. I think that "officially" happened when they acquired ADtranz a few years back. Also noted that they picked up a huge contract to build German rail cars for years to come. AND 234 subway cars for the subway system in Toronto (TTC).
Appears as if you've gotten quite a bit of info in response to your inquiry regarding the preferred "wheel arrangement" for the steamers. That's just one of the "benefits" of hangin' ‘round this joint, eh
THAT was quite a fiasco with the pets of "Our" Place pretty much ganging up on Boris. Happens!
Ah, pay day at "Our" Place. Pretty much has been a Saturday night thing. Only criteria is that one must have been present for the times when the money is supposed to be earned. Size of dipper Up to you - the more you work, the larger the dipper!
Received your Email - will get a reply off this AM. Glad you like the Rendezvous Agenda!
Mike at 5:03 PM yesterday: The return of "silent Mike" with some always interesting URLs. Juneau "appreciated" the photo of his "mates." He'd be quite the LEAD sled dog, as he is VERY bossy! <grin>
Eric at 12:22 AM today: Many THANX for the free drinks ‘n acknowledgment of our 22nd Month Anniversary! On "that" day in April when we opened up, Rob is the only remaining customer. CM3 came aboard shortly thereafter - so there are 3 of us still here from the beginning.
I've Posted that Washington and Old Dominion piece several times over on the "original" Thread and have gotten very little, if any response. Impresses me as a fine example of the attendant businesses that depended so heavily on the railroads in this country. Glad you appreciated it!
Regarding the Acela trip: Well if all else fails, I suppose I could "authorize" you to "dip" into the upstairs tub for the fare! <grin>
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Happy 22nd Anniversary!!!
Months or years, who cares? It is still something to celebrate!! Drinks on me all day tomorrow!
Leon, tonight I would like my favorite, Rumpsteak Café de Paris!! Quiet evening? I am sure they all are preparing for the big one coming up in two short months! You better be prepared!
Doug – Thanks for the two “missing” pictures! Hope you made it safe to work and back in the snow and ice!Tom – Happy 22nd Anniversary boss!!! Are you the only one left from the very start? The Acela trip is something I have been thinking about for quite some time now. I got an invitation from Amtrak when I left to come back for a ride in whatever train they were going to buy. The main problem is to find one of those persons to claim my ride. Maybe this is something we can discuss in May?Now I have to find out what Washington and Old Dominion Railway was. I kind of recognize the name but can’t recall anything in particular. A bunch of hotels and boarding houses along that road!Lars – I’ll do my best to produce some more substancial posts for the 2 year Anniversary in April. That will be close to my own 1 year Anniversary! CM3 – Nice music! Yes, the Rutland 4-8-2’s are handsome! You put your money on the right horse! I did some more research tonight and 2-8-0, Consolidation, was by far the most popular wheel arrangement. 33,000 2-8-0,s were built according to one book. I don’t know if that number is correct, another book claims 21,000 2-8-0’s were built. Still an impressive number. The first one was Lehigh Valley Consolidation, 1866 and the last was U.S. Army 610, 1952.Pete – Glad you liked the linked site. Found it by accident a few weeks ago and remembered the picture of the Rutland locomotive. Sad news about the Alstom plant! Thanks for the link! Same thing is happening in Sweden. I don’t know if they still have any plant building locomotives or cars any more. Mike – A nice mix of pictures tonight! I especially like the one where you can see Union Station in Washington D.C. in the background!
Today is Lincoln's birthday and here's a picture of his Inauguration, March 4, 1861
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3a40000/3a48000/3a48600/3a48697v.jpg
PCC streetcar
http://saulnadler.railfan.net/PCC_LastDay_IN_DC.jpg
Union Station
http://mdhsimage.mdhs.org/Library/Images/Mellon%20Images/Z4access/z4-0171.jpg
B&O station 1872
http://mdhsimage.mdhs.org/Library/Images/Mellon%20Images/Z24access/z24-00788.jpg
http://saulnadler.railfan.net/Rutland_93_Manchester.jpg
Duluth Incline postcard
http://images.nypl.org/?id=69896&t=w
Company for Juneau
http://collections.mnhs.org/VisualResources/VRDbimages/pf061/pf061583.jpg
Movie theatre car
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns2263.jpeg
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Scenes from a movie
http://www.archive.org/movies/thumbnails.php?identifier=danger_lights
Rugby pics
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=18519
Lincoln and McClellan at Antietam
http://aok.lib.umbc.edu/speccoll/imcatimages/77-12-023.jpg
A Bathams Special to celebrate the 22nd anniversary of Our Place please RUTH.
ERIC Many thanks for the Swedish signals aspects.It is a good idea to have a different aspect to show a maximum speed.BR used to use a flashing double amber aspect as an advanced warning to the driver when the train was approching a junction and the train was to take the diverging route.This may well have changed as I have lost touch on BR Signalling.
What a great link to Dr Leonards web-site.A keeper for sure.It really is sad about the short life Nos 90-93 had, as the text said they were handsome engines and the tenders looked right.Another sad tale in the link, is the fate of SOO loco No1025 thats was all prepared for preservation but was scrapped,also a very poignant description of locos making their last trip to the scrapyard.
Another great pic is of the Vermont Valley RR locomotive passing the Highball signal. Also great pics of the UP and CP locos on that link. Many thanks for sharing the site.
The Alstom plant in Birmingham where the X3 was assembled has sadly recently closed after the Virgin Pendelinos order was completed. This was originally the Metro - Cammell plant that built many of BR s railcars and had a very fine history of railway carriage and tram building.
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?CONTENT_ITEM_ID=2229&CONTENT_ITEM_TYPE=0&MENU_ID=10468
Glad you liked the pics and thanks for the info on the Belgian class 62. I have a couple more pics from Alan of smaller Belgian diesels.
JAMES Enjoyed the pics.The FP7 look as though she as seen better days although it is good to see her still running.That is a great pic of H 602.
On Eric's link there is a pic of loco 2101 ready for the Freedom Train.
DOUG Thanks for the two ACL pics. On the second pic it has the ACL early diesels, it is interesting how the tractive effort of the 1,000 HP switchers is higher than the 2,000HP Road locos.
CM3 Great to see the song titles back.
In Britain the most popular wheel arrangement was the humble 0-6-0. In 1955 the Ex LNER which became the Eastern Region of BR had 1,220 locos of this wheel arrangement. This is just the tender locos and not counting the very many 0-6-0 tank locos. For passenger work there were far more 4-6-0s than there were Pacifics .
Liked the joke.
LARS. Luckily the bride has not seen my comment on shopping. Luckily on the trips to Hermann I am parked in the park there, with the Missouri River on one side and the UP/Amtrak line on the other while the bride looks in the shops .
I hope BK is enjoying his trip to the Southern Hemisphere, hopefully we will here from him on his return.
Rest assured I have only got a small dipper and I still don't know when pay day is
Indeed Tom and I did have a great day out to Chicago. I really hope you can join us in May.I agree we should celebrate the 2nd Anniversary of the bar, all being well I should be able to help out on this.
TOM Thanks for the kind words on the pics.
That was quite a sight seeing Boris attacked by TEX, AWK and FROSTBITE for disturbing their nap by ringing the bell 22 times
Good to see the list of the Hotels and the Boarding Houses in the Blue Ridge Mountains again.. I suupose in those days there were a lot more lodging houses than there were hotels.A situation that as reversed today or are there still a lot of boarding houses still in certain areas of the U.S. In the UK there is still a lot of Guest Houses, as they are called. A good one is so much better than a hotel..
Go ahead and take off, Ruth - hardly worth staying here . . . Never would know it's an Anniversary! Man oh man how times have changed . . . There's THAT word again - CHANGE! Gotta love it!
Acknowledgments!
Lars at 11:25 AM today: Many THANX for the Anniversary Round! Just sorry that we haven't the numbers to fully partake . . . Boris loved ringing that bell, had to pry him away from it before the clapper gave out! Any more brilliant suggestions <grin>
Rain in the Keys! Well, what's new At least you aren't shivering your stern sections off as is happening in many parts of the land north of you! <brrrrrrr> Just beginning to do the freezing rain bit here, with snow expected throughout the evening into the AM . . .
Nice of you to begin thinking about our 2nd Year Anniversary Bash. Would be a nice thing to do.
Don't sweat the Emails from here - we'll hold off 'til you give us the "go ahead." The Rendezvous Agenda was sent out this AM.
CM3 at 12:30 PM today: Nice song titles! Keep 'em coming . . . Also, THANX for the round 'n quarters too!
Received your Email and understand the situation. Seriously doubt if there'll be a 3rd one . . .
Intersting that you brought up that "thumb" business with Juneau. I'm forever reminding him that I'm ALPHA 'round here and it's because I have thumbs! His response it to try 'n chew 'em off! <arrrggggghhhhh> Dogs, they rule, eh
Nice "funny" regarding the Boss sign . . . makes sense to me! <grin>
Catch y'all in the AM . . .
Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Let's see what we can find today.
We'll begin with Curly Howard's rendition of "She Was Bred in Old Kentucky, But She's Only a Crumb Up Here," followed by "Railroad Lady," and concluding with one of Boris's favorites, a medley of "Put the Chains on Mother, There's Ice in the Middle of the Road.,: and "Head for the Roundhouse Nellie, the Engineer Can't Corner You There." My, my, he can clog in those brogans.
Lots to mention today, so we'll jump in.
Our ‘Steamed Proprietor has graciously provided us with some fine movies. IIRC, many of the rail scenes were shot on the LE&W (in western NY). One of my favorite scenes is the one where they're riding in the pickup truck with the frozen dog. OSP also sent along some fine shots of Chicago and environs. I kept looking for the baby carriage and the bookkeeper when I saw the shot of the stairway at CUS. The last picture was a keeper as the look on the Mighty Husky's face clearly said, "Jeez, if I had a thumb I could open my own beer." Amazing how they run things w/o us dumb humans even knowing we're being conned.
NHL -argh! Too many teams=diluted talent, plus no coherent plan to market the product (and EVERYBODY gets to the playoffs).
Also thanks for frozen north pictures.
DL stopped by with comments and a history lesson - many thanks.
Pete had a good question. I'll put my money on the 2-8-0 as being the most popular wheel arrangement, followed by the 4-4-0.
Rob sent us a good summary of ALCO and MLW. Always enjoyed looking at the MLW beasties when in Canada. Also rode behind a few of them as well.
James sent an interesting MILW passenger picture. Maybe the "Varsity?" This was a FR-SA-SU only operation between Chicago and Madison. Coaches only. My other guess was MILW 23 or 12 which ran between Milwaukee and Watertown. The only problem here is that when I looked at a tt, I discovered that 23 ran in the dark and 12 very early in the a.m. So I'll cast my vote for the "Varsity."
Pete sent a summary of the Chessie. The Steam Specials ran through here back in the day. Lovely stuff, but I did prefer the NKP engines on the New River trains as they looked more "at home."
Eric sent some information on signals - thank you, sir; are those Rutland 4-8-2s not handsome?
And also thanks to Pete for the Belgian locomotives. I knew they had EMD-style innards, but that was about the extent of it.
Barndad is with us - just remember, it's too cold to paint. Scroll back a couple of pages and you can read about the contractors who wanted to come to our fashionable coal camp hovel, and install the "winders" we'd ordered. It's enough to make you weep.
Lars - Enjopy the sunshine; only shop at places with comfortable chairs and/or a hobby shop.
We'll close with the following
I'm the Boss
The boss was complaining in our staff meeting the other day that he wasn't getting any respect. The next day, he brought a small sign that read: "I'm the Boss!" He then taped it to his office door. Later that day when he returned from lunch, he found that someone had taped a note to the sign that said: "Your wife called, she wants her sign back!"
'Tis the Larsman in rain soaked Marathon where the thunder showers have descended upon us! Expected to be rather heavy today and tomorrow. However, the temperatures are just fine and one has to take just a bit of sour with all the sweet we've had thus far!
Ruth my deAH you look radiant this fine day and I'd love to spend a bit more time with you, however, I am being "watched" if you know what I mean <oh!> A tankard of your finest Keiths and a round for all in commemoration of this establishment's 22nd Month Anniversary! Boris, ring the bell 22 times! No, no, no - only kidding! <geesh. Thank heavens he can't count much past the digits extending from his paws!
I've been enjoying your Monday - Wednesday - Friday "specials" in your morning posts . . . nice touch with the humor!
Sorry I couldn't make it in for yesterday's finale for the Pix Posting Sundays. I had hoped to provide something, but "things" overtook my intentions. Looks as if the Cap'n provided quite a bit of material to culminate a successful run over these many, many months. I think it was a wise move and made lotsasense from my perspective. After all, the guys who used to provide so many pix have either departed the scene or slacked off considerably thereby leaving it to a few to keep it going. Looks like the "other thread" did better over the weekend than this one, insofar as photos go (not counting the Cap'n) AND THAT'S REALLY STRANGE! But that's for another day . . .
So now, managing this joint will be just a bit easier knowing that there won't be a requirement for staff on Sundays. Some of the guys won't have to "worry" about "who" is working and whether to order something or not. Oh so confusing, huh Not really for most, but there are always one or two who just never did "get it." <grin> That's over now. Saturdays should work out just fine.
I checked the upstairs tub and there's plenty o' cash in it to sustain some "dipping" by our Assistant Bar Chandler. It's the HONOR SYSTEM around here, so use a small dipper!
I'm having some e-mail difficulties from the home end of things (I think). Cannot access the account from here and my son says he can't do it from there either. So actually, I don't know where the problem lies, but if anyone needs to send me something, please hold off for a couple of days 'til all of this settles down. I did receive the hotel info for the Rendezvous and responded. After that, "zippo."
Been wondering about BK these days. I guess they are in Australia, as isn't that where he said they were heading Ah yes, how stupid of me, I did get an e-mail some weeks back saying that's where they WERE! <geesh> The SECOND thing to do is memory, or so I've heard!
Anyway, sure miss my "bookend" and wonder if he'll ever return to the bar We've really seen quite a few changes since the "resurrection" this past summer and not all good, huh
Ya know with the 2 year mark only 2 months off, I'm hoping someone, other than yours truly, is thinking of a "bash" for this joint. Two years is quite a milestone and one that we all should take a bit of pride in helping to accomplish. Seems like there's only Rob & Shane left from the early days of the bar, but then guys like Doug & Pete have come along to keep things going. Don't know if this will be "it" as Tom thinks, but I'd like to have us really host a "bash" on that April 12th date! How about it How hard would it be to get things rolling NOW and stick to a commitment Any takers out there and more importantly, anyone willing to oversee this
I enjoyed those pix of your Chicago trip with the Wolfman. I've never been one to use a camera for my trips. Can't tell you how many times I've packed one, but never used it! Anyway, thanks for the spread, they surely show that you 'n Pete enjoyed yourselves. Nice one of Juneau too, by the way! Looking forward to "meeting" your best buddy!
Pete, that comment you made about the "wedding vows" wasn't lost on me. I showed it to Phil who got quite a laugh out of it which then attracted his Mrs. and mine! <arrrrggghhh> Only kidding - everyone got a kick out of it. My Mrs. still cannot understand the "attraction" I have to doing this sort of thing, when there are so many stores and so little time . . . (and MONEY!) <grin>
Looking forward to receiving the agenda for the Rendezvous and my hopes are that all will remain as is thereby enabling me to attend.
Ruth, one more and then I best skedaddle. Don't quite know what is in store for this rainy day in paradise, but I'm being summoned beckoned!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #7
Initially Posted on Page 134 of the "original" Thread . . . Here's something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with Classic Trains.
Check this out (unknown origin - found at flea market; circa 1920's) HOTELS AND BOARDING HOUSES in the BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS along the Washington and Old Dominion Railway
Name .............................. Terms and other information Bluemont, Va. ................ Located on mountain overlooking the Loudoun Valley; ... J.M. Moreland ............. modern conveniences; excellent board. Rates on application. ... H. Rathbone Smith ....... Accommodations for several guests on large estate located ...................................... on mountain; meals at owner's residence close to main ...................................... house; reasonable rates; references required. ... A. L. Longerbeam ........... Best country board; terms moderate. ... Mrs. Millard Patterson ...... Excellent board; chicken, milk, fresh eggs; home garden. ...................................... Terms $2.00 per day' $10.00 and $12.00 per week. ... "The Heights" ................ Modern conveniences; splendid home cooking. ... Mrs. T. P. Simpson .......... Terms moderate. ... Proprietress ... "The Loudoun" ............... Large lawn; tennis. Comfortable rooms, porches, etc. ... J. C. Beatty, Proprietor ...... Terms: Single rooms, $15.00 per week; double rooms, ............................................. $12.00 per person per week. Round Hill, Va. ... "Baldwin House" ............. Terms on application. ... F. P. Lowe ..................... Near town. Terms on application. ... E. L. Donohoe ................ Terms on application. ... Fannie Wynkoop ............. Terms on application. ... Maud Wynkoop .............. Terms on application. ... T. W. Best ..................... Near town. Terms on application. ... Mollie Copeland ............. Terms on application. ... Edw. Finnell .................. Terms on application. Purcellville, Va. ... "The Bell Inn ................ Modern conveniences; plenty shade; ... Mrs. M. H. Beal ............. Lawn; garden vegetables. Terms $3.00 ... Proprietress ................... per day; $30.00 per month. ... "The White Cottage" ....... Near town. Excellent table. ... Miss Rebecca Lloyd ........ Terms on application. ... Proprietress ... Mrs. E. Shoemaker ......... Near town. Large shady lawn; fresh ... R. F. D. No. 2 ............... vegetables. Terms on application. ... Mrs. Alice Corder .......... Near station. Modern conveniences. ..................................... Terms on application. Hamilton, Va. ................. Large shady lawn; fresh vegetables; ... Mrs. J. W. Chamberlin ..... milk; cream; eggs. Modern conveniences; . .................................... excellent table. Terms $10.00 to $12.00 per week. Leesburg, Va. ................ Located in business section. A delightful place ... "Leesburg Inn" ............. Spend day and week-end vacations. Special Sunday .................................... chicken dinners. ... Mrs. Fulton ................. Near town. Modern country home. Delightful meals; .................................... terms on application. Electric Trains leave from Rossyln Terminal Station (Washington), located South End Key Bridge, on Frequent Schedules Enjoy! Tom
Happy 22nd Month Anniversary to "Our" Place!
A hearty good morning from mid-continent USA where winter seems to be on the return, but not without some advanced ‘slop' before it gets serious! Time for a hot mug of our freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee <unleaded> ‘n <regular> along with a sampling or three from The Mentor Village Bakery case; and of course a <light> or <traditional> breakfast offering from the Menu Board!
We've entered a new phase here at the Saloon by the Siding, as our Sunday Photo Posting Day! is "history." In case you've been somewhere else in the Ether and missed the "announcements" - we're folding the Pix Posting event into Saturdays. Now we'll have ENCORE! Saturday - and - Saturday Pix Posting Day! all rolled into one. On Sundays this bar will be CLOSED with only the mail slots available for those of you who are determined to drop off messages. The day of rest has finally come to "Our" Place! Sad Don't be. You always have "my other Thread" if you need an "Ether fix"!!
A smile to begin the week!
90% of the game is half mental.
(A Yogi-ism!)
Want to thank those of you who have responded to my Email regarding the Rendezvous! Next will be the agenda, which is now ready for ya!
FYI: Received a message from Lars telling me that his home Email is down and to hold off on anything to him for a few days via that mode. All's well in the Keys and he expects to drop by today or tomorrow fer sure, fer sure!
10,000th Post CONTEST update (in order of submission):
<9013 was the final number on the "original" Thread>
Feb 14th - BK
Feb 15th - Lars
Mar 12th - Pete
Jan 1st - James
Jan 28th - Eric
Jan 18th - DL
Feb 8th - Doug
Jan 31st - Rob
Mar 15th - CM3
Appears as if only Pete ‘n CM3 are remaining . . . ‘round ‘n round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows! <grin>
Pete at 11:33 AM ‘n 3:50 PM yesterday: Some fine Amtrak shots along with that spate of Belgium Pix made for a well round-effort for our final Sunday Photo Posting Day - THANX!
Eric at 5:56 PM yesterday: Fascinating display of signaling from your "old" country! Would love to see something that easy to understand from the roads here in North America!
James at 10:11 PM yesterday: A late night effort with a couple of nice shots - Thanx!
Eric at 12:40 AM today: Back as promised with a fine inclusive Post!
Yes - you figured it out - Juneau is the BOSS of "his pack"! He's looking forward to meeting you guys, as the Can-Am trainroom is just one of the places he loves to frequent. Does a bit of running ‘round ‘n ‘round the layout! <groan> Forever vacuuming up the hair . . .
No, YOU won! (After YOU, no - after YOU, and so forth . . . )
Regarding that Amtrak trip aboard the Acela you mentioned. One of these days I MUST do that. I have some grand kids in the WashDC area and could make a visit, then take the train up to Boston and fly home from there. Perhaps we could coordinate our trips - something to think about.
Nice looking steamer for the Grand Canyon Railway!
Doug at 5:48 AM today: Some things are hard to put to rest, eh Continuation from yesterday's Pix Posting on the Atlantic Coast Line steamers. Nice way to begin the day! Thanx!
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