QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier West Coast S I have a black and white picture of WP #60, a 2-8-0, pulling a short passenger train, in a small valley, with a rpo, baggage, and maybe 2 heavyweight coaches. The darn thing is that I still can't post pics on this forum!!! But if I had your E-mail I could send it to you to check it out . Look at my profile, I think I put my E-mail there. Chris
QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 14:30:08 Try this site: http://www.quebecweb.com/beaucerail/ To see an ALCO FA pulling a tourist train on the old Quebec Central. I will ride this train this summer... Chris
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 14:55:10 Chris, I checked out the site ... they don't show the 2005 schedule. What can you provide regarding the duration of the excursion and scheduling? We're not really 'into' these type trains, but touring Quebec has been something we've been talking about for quite a while ...... Tom
QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 19:31:44 Tom Looks like the schedule is not out yet. I'll check it out tomorrow. Chris
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 18:39:17 Since its a Classic Trains subject matter how about All Puilman trains. I personally have ridden the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED, BROADWAY LIMITED, CHIEF, SUPER CHIEF, CITY OF LOS ANGELES, FLORIDA SPECIAL and NEW ENGLAND STATES the latter was operating in two sections at Xmas time 1961 one all Coach the other All Pullman. The All Pullman Train I wished I had the pleasure of riding was the ARIZONA LIMITED but it was before my time. I have talked to SP old timers and thirty years after the train ran they still had fond memories of the winter only train. I have never ridden an All Pullman train outside the US and by the time I rode the CN OCEAN it was coach and first class both. I always say if I win the lottery I will own my own private car. But I guess that would be just like owning a yacht. Tried that many years ago and found it was a very expensive proposition for the use I actually got out of it. It sure lightened the load on my wallet after I sold it. Maintenance and upkeep doesn't come cheap and i suspect the same for a private car.
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 19:56:49 QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier West Coast S, My sources says WP # 34 was 2-8-0 consolidation, and I think the Mikados where numbered in the 300's ? Am I right? How about branch lines South of Frisco? Or north of SF ? I saw a picture of a small WP train with a Consolidation pulling a combination and a heavyweight on a branch line. I'll have a Geary's Pale Ale if you have any Tom... Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gotta quit putting my glasses on backwards. Here you go Chris: 4-6-0 #94 powered the final revenue steam operations on the point of the eastbound CZ in 1960. 2-8-2 #334 was used for excursion duty as well until sidelined due to mechanical problems, both engines survive today and #94 was operational until several years ago. Got me stumped, WP had no branches north or south of SF. Matter of fact they had just two, both nowhere near SF. In that photo is their cantanary wire visible? If so I might have a answer for you. Well its quiting time, wife gave me the honey do list, so i'd better sign off for today.
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 23:29:01 QUOTE: Got me stumped, WP had no branches north or south of SF. Matter of fact they had just two, both nowhere near SF. In that photo is their cantanary wire visible? If so I might have a answer for you. Catanary hmmm my ears just perked up.Would this have been an old Pacific Electric branch? Nothing beats a good interurban story I always say. Speaking of all things electric Just got back from a weekend spent at the museum. Getting the place spruced up for openning day on the 7th of May. Being the consumate railfans that we are we just had to let a couple of the cars out of the barn to play. Operated 2894 for about an hour it's an Ottawa car company built small Peter Whitt type streetcar from the TTC. I just love running this car nice and smooth. Tom any idea which museums were going to aquire the old PGE RDC's. I had heard a wild rumour (two years ago) Long story short the city of Toronto wants to build a direct rail access from TO union to the airport. The plans being kicked arounnd have been anywhere from a subway line($$$ prohibitive) to various surface options up to and including (wait for it) aquiring some surplus VIA RDC's. It will be interesting to see what happens. Most people figure it will be a literail electric or a dedicated bus route but who knows those RDC's may get another kick at the can yet. See you later. Rob
QUOTE: coalminer3 Posted: Today, 08:23:09 Siberianmo - I am in WV, but spent my allegedly formative years in New England. Passengerfan - The NE States was a fine train, even thought it was a shadow of its former self at the end. I did have the good fortune to have a bedroom suite on the Broadway once from New York to Chicago. Return with us to those thrilling days of yesteryear when the Merchants Limited had 14 parlors and two diners. BTW, for those SP folks who visit, and there seem to be a few, the most recent issue of the SP Historical Society's magazine has an article called "Last Gasp of Steam." Interesting material to say the least. Let's get busy. Maybe, I'll have time to shoot a couple of racks this evening... work safe
QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 19 Apr 2005, 09:21:26 West Coast S I have a black and white picture of WP #60, a 2-8-0, pulling a short passenger train, in a small valley, with a rpo, baggage, and maybe 2 heavyweight coaches. The darn thing is that I still can't post pics on this forum!!! But if I had your E-mail I could send it to you to check it out . Look at my profile, I think I put my E-mail there. Chris
QUOTE: Got me stumped, WP had no branches north or south of SF. Matter of fact they had just two, both nowhere near SF. In that photo is their cantanary wire visible? If so I might have a answer for you.
QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier West Coast S, My sources says WP # 34 was 2-8-0 consolidation, and I think the Mikados where numbered in the 300's ? Am I right? How about branch lines South of Frisco? Or north of SF ? I saw a picture of a small WP train with a Consolidation pulling a combination and a heavyweight on a branch line. I'll have a Geary's Pale Ale if you have any Tom... Chris
QUOTE: mac 4884 Posted: 16 Apr 2005, 20:26:42 Guess Im late.........
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 17 Apr 2005, 19:40:02 First rode the RDC's between N. Vancouver and Prince George when it was still the Pacific Great Eastern. Rode between N. Vancouver and Prince George and North Vancouver and Lillooet sine it became BC Rail. Was always impressed with the crews on the trains. Also rode the RDC's of the Malahat on Vancouver Island. Fastest trip on RDC's was on the CN when they operated secondary trains using RDC's between Toronto and Kingston. Longest and most enjoyable RDC trip was on Western Pacific between Oakland and Salt Lake City using a single RDC -2 The RDC stopped for every meal and it was mostly WP crews using the car. Most just wanted to sleep and there was plenty of room for that as I was the only paying passenger on the car. Rode the lone GN RDC between Havre and Great Falls on one occasion. I have both RDC books in my collection and am glad I purchased both. My favorite cars were the domes and I have the following dome equipped trains to count as those I have ridden. GN EMPIRE BUILDER, NP NORTH COAST LIMITED, CMSTP&P OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA, UP CITY OF PORTLANDand 457-458, AT&SF SUPER CHIEF, EL CAPITAN(HilLevel) CHICAGOAN, KANSAS CITYAN, CB&Q DENVER ZEPHYR, KANSAS CITY ZEPHYR, AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYR, TWIN ZEPHYRS, CP CANADIAN, ATLANTIC LIMITED, CN PANORAMA, SUPER CONTINENTAL, SP SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF Ogden - Oakland, SP SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT, SP COAST DAYLIGHT, D&RGW WP CB&Q CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR, D&RGW ROYAL GORGE, and SCL FLORIDA SPECIAL
QUOTE: easter Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 07:47:50 Good morning ya'll from the sunny south.We are a little far off the beatin path of B&M & Canadian Rail,but love those rdc's anyway.I got one of those Lionel reproduction CP rdc's on my roster. One question about them. Could they run as MU"s to provide more power,or were they only set up to run independant of each other???? Oh by the way I'll just have a cup of "joe."It's a little too early for the hard stuff. Easter
QUOTE: coalminer3 Posted: Today, 08:12:59 Good Morning all - RDCs could mu; saw them that way all the time in Boston. Beeliner was the generic NYC name for Budd RDCs. They were all silver initially, but later had safety stripes painted on them (blcak/white/orange), IIRC. The New Haven called their RDCs "Shoreliners." The nickname "Bee Line" was used by several different RRs. One application I remember was on the Reading where they had diesels lettered "Bee Line Service." Siberianmo - The Iron Horse - many flashbackst! Back when they had hockey at the "Gahden," we used to repair there for fortification b4 a game. You needed all the energy you could muster to get up to the cheap seats (all we could afford back then). "Orr shoots, and Esposito scores on the rebound." Now since it is Patriots Day and the Towne Team plays at 11:00 a.m., can we crank up the dish and watch the game at lunch? I am glad to see we have a juke box. Lets see if we can find these tunes - Red Necks, White Sox, and Blue Ribbon Beer, Don't Rock the Juke Box, Bubba Shot the Juke Box, and Walkin' After Midnight (of course, any Patsy Cline sides will do). work safe
QUOTE: csxt30 Posted: 16 Apr 2005, 13:40:29 Good afternoon Tom ! Think I'll just have a Cherry Coke if ya have it. How's the Polar Express runnin' ? Nice place you got here, been noticing it lately & saw you guys talking about the Beeliners. Don't know much about 'em, just that when I was a kid back in the 50's, my Dad and Mom & I would go to Niagara Falls on his vacation in the summer by train. He worked for the NYC & had the Golden pass, so we rode free I think. We would get on the train in Ashtabula, Oh, where we lived & then get on the Bee line in Bufallo the rest of the way to the falls. As I recall, I just was so fascinated with that ride on the Beeline, I talked about it all the time. It seemed like it was just so fast, boy, I sure loved that. The thing is, when I got older, I could never find out anything about it. I'm pretty sure they were RDC's or Budd cars though, & they were silver. Wonder if anyone else remembers them. Well, you have a nice day now, I'll be back if ya lay in the Cherry Coke, & I'll put in a quarter for the Orange Blossum Special! Thanks, John
QUOTE: earlydiesels Posted: 16 Apr 2005, 16:56:04 Hello from southwest Misery. I vote for place no.1. Seems like most everyone on this thread is from the east--have to speak up for the midwesterners. I am a volunteer on a tourist railroad and other preservation groups and have liked railroads all 42 years. I'd like a tall, cold ice water with plenty of lemon, please.
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 23:43:34 QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo Hey Rob! Thanx for popping in ....... we start serving lunch in about an hour from the time you sat on that stool ..... check out the menu - sandwiches are ample and made from only the freshest lunch meats in town. Cheeses are cut in the back room - need a mask back there, especially with the empty kegs, etc.! Would gag a healthy maggot, someone said one day. Still hungry? Anyway, that site you mentioned is pretty interesting. What's your connection with the museum? Sure don't know why traction, if indeed it's "classic", cannot be included in our discussions ...... GO FOR IT! Stick around! ==================================================== Well I don't generally eat lunch meat the Dr frowns on that but what the hey once in a while won't kill me much. Actually this is the museum that the wife and I are card carrying members of. This year is it's 51st season. Heather's mom and dad have been members for 32 years and Heathers been there since she could crawl. I've been a member for almost 4 years now. I'm on the operating crews I run the cars or conduct. We also help out in the shops keeping things humming along. The museum was started to save two old ttc relics which were going to be scrapped and it's snowballed from there. Close to 100 pieces of electric railway equipment and a few buses and non street car railway equipment as well. One big artifact we have is CN's ex Grand trunk Rockwood station which we had moved to the museum in 1972. We have three cars barns and are working on raising the final funds for #4 which if you go to the museum site you can read up on. It will be called the Sir Adam Beck centre in honour of Ontario hydros first chairman who was also a major propnent of electric interurban systems and helped found several. A large portion of our operating and non operating fleet is TTC but we have equipment from the City of London(ontario) Hamilton, Guelph, Oshawa. as well as interurban equipment from the Montreal and Southern Counties the London and Port Stanley. The Grand River railway and the Lake Erie and Northern. We even have an old Chicago "L" car for giggles. Anyone interested in more info please hit oursite ior ask away I'll be happy to attempt to answer. Better yet come see us and ride the cars. Until later Rob
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: Today, 10:46:52 I'll lend my experiences on Beaumont Hill, back not too long ago it was the place. It was where helpers were added or dropped in addition to a Intact water tank and helper wye until the yellow machine came along and razed and realigned. This was grade that SP had to contend with out of West Colton on the Sunset Route with a single track rolling profile all the way to Indio, 10-15 units on a train were not uncommon, placed midtrain or on the rear or both in addition to the front set to tackle the 2%+ grades with the usual SP tradition of running the longest, heaviest trains possible on a tight schedule. The GE units reigned supreme on the Sunset route, U33Cs, U25Bs, U30Bs were all assigned this district. Spent many a hour on that hill back in the day... Well enough from me, time to refresh my coffee for the day ahead. I'll let Espeefoamer give you the word on the Kaiser operation.
QUOTE: easter Posted: 15 Apr 2005, 11:52:01 say "bar keeper" I'm not sure this is such a nice place. You know what Yogi Berra use to say about certain establishments. " Must not be a good place. nobody goes there anymore more,because the place is always crowded." I'LL give it a try though as long as there's no cover charge. Easter
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo Hey Rob! Thanx for popping in ....... we start serving lunch in about an hour from the time you sat on that stool ..... check out the menu - sandwiches are ample and made from only the freshest lunch meats in town. Cheeses are cut in the back room - need a mask back there, especially with the empty kegs, etc.! Would gag a healthy maggot, someone said one day. Still hungry? Anyway, that site you mentioned is pretty interesting. What's your connection with the museum? Sure don't know why traction, if indeed it's "classic", cannot be included in our discussions ...... GO FOR IT! Stick around![tup][;)]
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 14 April 2005, 15:27:38 Hi gang...sounds like my kinda folks, mind if I join you for a cold one and impart a couple of examples? The WP had branches? Being sarcastic of course, the Reno branch and the Loyington branch. Chris this one is for you: WP ran an excursion in conjunction with the 50th anniversy of the Nevada Northern. The special operated from Oakland CA. to the NN interchange at Cobre NV. where passengers boarded a steam powered NN special. A-B-B-A F7s from the freight pool along with a Zepherette provided the power (The Zepherette was removed at Cobre and continued on to Salt Lake on its regular run, talk about efficient power movement). The second set of CZ equiptment was tapped to provide a source for the domes, diner, and lounges along with heavyweight equiptment from the D&RGW . There were two seperate excursions using 4-6-0 # 94 and 2-8-2 #34 from San Jose to Stockton in the late 50s. So ok. Are there any additional WP excursions I have missed?
QUOTE: coalminer3 Posted: 14 April 2005, 15:46:46 Greetings from the coalfields. We have lots of small places around here for beer, etc. so your off to a good start---BTW - where's the pool table? I know, behind all the mt kegs. Look forward to seeing more in this section of the forum. work safe
QUOTE: espeefoamer Posted: 14 April 2005, 16:59:22 This sounds like a great place to enjoy a pastrami sandwich, onion rings, and a tall frosty root beer. We can reminisce about the days when we could go to Beaumont Hill and watch the Kaiser ore train with 3 U28Cs on the point,3 in the middle and 3more pushing just ahead of the caboose. I vote for #1.
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