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Posted by passengerfan on Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:50 AM
Chris this is passengerrfan my prayers are with you for I had a similar occurence years ago and i believe that the medicos have come a long ways since my pneumothorax. Good luck.
If you ever feel like an online chat or need words of encouragement just contact me anytime. I've been through what you are going through and if I can help please don't hesitate. It only gets better.
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Posted by CFournier on Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:44 AM
Now, first thing i need is hot cider with cinnamon, Boris and keep the old caribou out of my sight[:D]
Hey Tom, did I miss something about a yearly convention of the oldtimers of this venerable group of ours, the wild bunch of ``Our Place``? I cannot read my emails from last week because I'm using another coputer with a distinct email address. Can you explain about this little gathering? BTW, I'm sending you a new email address that I will be using for the next month since I am on a sick leave, not going to the office for a few weeks.Chris
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:12 AM
SATURDAY SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS (edited)

Morning guys! From the looks of this place, last night must have been a doozy. [swg] I took the evening off – just had to get away for awhile. I trust the gals filled in nicely (yes, they ARE filled in nicely, but that’s NOT what I’m talking about!) and that the evening went well. I made the pizza before I left, so all Boris had to do was pop ‘em in the oven. [;)]

Some BUSINESS items:

(1) You will note that the SUMMARIES will be edited a bit more closely by yours truly. No references to or pasting of posts from people who are obviously not interested in what “Our” Place is all about. Should any of these guys come back later and actually participate, then and only then do they get included in my labors.

(2) The Rendezvous subject has been mentioned often enough on this thread so that all of our Regulars know about it by now. No response here or by Email equates to no interest in it, for whatever the reason. There will be no effort on my part to pu***his agenda down anyone’s throat.

(3) I will post a brief summary of Rendezvous progress early next week.

On to the business at hand:
QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 09:38:56
For Tom I was not aware that this thread was blocking the name of the library and my employer D e G O L Y E R. Everett Lee, or Mr. D as he was affectionately called ,was one of the founders of many of the current day oil institutions. In 1933 he discovered the first oil in Mexico. He was also the founder and president of Amerada Petroleum, which merged with Hess to form the current company Amerada Hess. He was the father of current day geophysical prospecting starting the GSI company (Geophysical Services Inc) to make the equipment needed. GSI morphed into the current day Texas Instruments. He recognized the need for an oil field laboratory services company and also started Core Labs, the premier company offering fluid and rock laboratory services. In 1936 he realized the need for an independent company to provide unbiased third party opinions of an oil fields value. He partnered with Louis MacNaughton and they formed the current D e G O L Y E R and Mac Naughton which employees me. I never met either man as they both passed away before I came here in 1978. During WW II Mr. D was on the Petroleum Board for the government (do not remember the correct name). During his service he visited Saudi Arabia, which was just beginning to produce oil. He announced that the centroid of oil production would shift from Texas to the Middle East in the future. Time has proven him correct! He also was on the board of directors of the Southern Pacific railroad and had his own private rail car. Being a director got the car hauled free. Not a bad deal. (This is the railroad connection for this blurb) Think I have been here too long as out of our 175 employees only one professional has more tenure (by 2 months) than me. (I know where all of the skeletons are hidden). I work in the international group and specialize with 75% of my time spent on North Sea fields. The North Sea is a very mature basin and I cannot advise a recent graduate to become a North Sea expert as I am. In 10-15 years he will be hunting a job. Since I have about 200 days to go I am not worrying. The North Sea is not a bad place to work. I have only been to an offshore platform once and that was for a half day inspection. All of my work is in offices. Going to London, Copenhagen, Aberdeen, Stavanger, and Paris is not bad duty. Certainly beats the H _ _ _ out of going to Lagos Nigeria. (Been there and have no desire to return).

Oh well, back to my initial thought. The four letters that are redacted, D e G O, might be construed a slur to our Italian friends with the letter E changed to A. I agree that there is no place for profanity or ethnic slurs on such a forum and I do not use slurs at any time. Occasionally a four letter word will slip out at a bad moment. If you have any input to the webmaster of this forum suggests a little correction on redacted words and ask about using spell check. I tend to have fat fingers and will hit the wrong keys. Try to catch them but occasionally one will slip through.

Cheers,
***


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 09:53:43
*** Good powers of deduction, my friend. I'd say your theory regarding D E G O Y L E R somehow kicking in the censor mechanism for these forums must be related to the an ethnic slur .... Nevertheless, you point was made and we've managed to circumvent the censor. [tup]

I have a suggestion - avoid the countdown to retirement. It's not a healthy thing to do, for you or those around you. I saw so much of that in the service that when my time came - I kept it to myself. The end of the so called line insofar as a career is concerned is as inevitable as the end of any given day. Has nothing to do with the end of being productive and happy. Just my [2c]

Now, how about some RESPONSES to the activity that's been taking place 'round here[?] Geesh .... You must be way behind in the SUMMARIES [;)]

By the way, this is a cyber bar ' grill, so whatillyahave[?] [swg]

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom


QUOTE: coalminer3 Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 12:09:56
Please excuse the long silence. Coffee (as always) please, and I've got to get back to it.
Back from yet another road trip to Northern Virginia. Lovely weather: all the heat humidity and thunderstorms I could stand! And more of the same over here. Things were VERY quiet on the C&O and also on what little of the NS I did see.

A quick comment re Our Place's most excellent (and photogenic) mascot - I have a box of Milk Bones handy at all times to pacify our K9 corps at home, and will be happy to share. I assume the mascot is in the building - Aha! over there, under the pool table - I see the eyes!

One last thought (I'm 5th on the list here): I don't even think abt retirement, but I do see lots of folks counting down and I think, what are they going to do when they get out?

work safe


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 13:00:57
G'day coalminer 3 Whatillyahave[?] C'mon - it's lunch and our sandwiches are the absolute best anywhere 'round these parts. [tup] [;)]
Amazing that any of those RR's would be quiet - ever. Given what we read these days about America's overloaded trackage, etc.

I'm trying to convince a friend of mine to take a day trip with me aboard Amtrak to Chicago. Go north at 4:30 AM and return aboard the Texas Eagle at 3:15 PM. That return should be fun - Superliner cars - dinner in the diner (..... nothing could be finer!) and so forth .... Heck, if he doesn't make up his feebleassmind soon, I'll go it alone! [;)]

You hit the nail on the head regarding your retirement comments. That's my point exactly - the countdown to my way of thinking is anything but a positive statement. Of course there ARE exceptions and I don't want to paint with too wide a brush.

I'm a living example of one who had a plan to engage in something else almost immediately upon retirement. It was good for me and those around me and I'm NOT talking about another career. I went to college - full time day student - and got educated after 32 years of service to my country in the USCG. After that - I became a police officer (reserve) and after that an advisor to my State Representative/Senator and after that .........

Just don't let the word retirement mean more than it really is. End of story.

Oh by the way, your input 'round here is always welcome - so let's have some thoughts on our Rendezvous - I'd appreciate an Email tho ......

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom


QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 15:31:10

Good afternoon everyone Hot but settled so far today more storms are lurking though

Tom I've sent you another trip thought so you will likely have two replies from me.BTW Thanks for the stool, I'm truly honoured.I'm heading to St Catharines tonight so I may have an answer on that book for you (keep your fingers n toes crossed)

Oh my Boris has taken that quite seriously he's quite the contorsionist, ahhaa, that's where I've seen him before he was one of those Barnam and Baily sideshow actors( the rubber boy or something to that effect)

Ted I do hope that you are spared the worst of hurricane season, i'm spoiled I live in a fairly non-remarkable weather area, few tornadoes(like one every 20 years or so)and relatively mild winters and summers aside from the occasional storm.(Sure that you don't want to retire up here? I'll shovel the snow for you )

Well gentlemen I'm off for now enjoy pizza night,Boris has been slaving over the peperoni slicer(I just hope he dosen't back into it and get behind into his work) I know that's an old groaner. A little shot of yard three last July 10th during the museums 50TH Anniversary celebration. Talk to you all later. Rob


Hi Rob I received your Emails and responded this morning ….. Really appreciate your efforts in trying to located the book AND the Rendezvous. That’s just a couple of reasons why people such as yourself – Canadian National Treasure – are members of the Order of the Stool [swg]

Tom

QUOTE: Ted D. Kramer Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 16:41:45
-A very recent Post serves to remind me that the drinking age is indeed of "cyber" stuff.-

Let's see, which gal is working tonight? RUTHY, so nice to see ya [ashen face]. Please set up the bar and we need to talk later, okay?

Funny how "retirement," is such an illusive condition. Perhaps "planned independence" would more accurately describe this "stage" for me. I see it as sort of casting away plodding regimentation for pursuing things for which, previously, there was no time. If anything, my days are now longer than before retirement, yet pass in half the time. Think I'll leave this to those toward a more philosophical bent. Speaking only for myself: I LIKE it!

***, it is of the wildest coincidence that we should both have relatives in "T-Town." I attended the University of Tulsa in 1956 and received a Bachelors of Music Education degree in 1961. I still have immediate family in Tulsa. Not much of a railroading town, except for the Frisco "hump yards" across the River. Still, I managed to catch the Frisco, Katy, and Santa Fe action as often as possible. This is too far a "stretch" to imagine but our neighbors across the street, The Hudsons, worked for Amarada until the early 1960's. I can't bring myself to say: "It's a small......". No...it’s just too schmalzy!

Okay, how 'bout another bout for this tenacious "Ten" and Ruthy; how's about closing time for a little "somebody done somebody wrong song?" G'Night folks.

DITTO on the acceptance of retirement .... [tup] [swg] My previous comments notwithstanding - for some, it can be a brutal reality. Apparently not for us! [tup]
Tom

QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 16:46:45
FOR Trolleyboy Rob (and anyone else who actually reads this stuff!)

First off - Congrats (again) on your entry into the Order of the Stool. Now, of course, that could have a totally different meaning if one were a hospital worker, for example! [;)]
Second - Good luck on the great Canadian book hunt. Hope it turns out well! I've got the PCC car all set to go ........ [swg]

Third - It surely must be MY DAY for A-holes ... if you know what I mean. I've encountered a couple in the real world and have no tolerance left for any in the cyber world ....... NOT YOU, Rob - just venting ........ [:(!]

Fourth - As much as I respect many of the guys over at the "Coffee Shop" the last thing I want to do with "Our" Place is to emulate that. No thanx. We have a good thing going 'round here and let's nurture it. Seems to me that every now and then we are going to get stragglers and just plain oblivious-to-reality people dropping in. I'm not for encouraging that kinda stuff. Too many other places where these guys "ring" up their numbers count, almost as if those "stars" really have significance. [yeah]right!

Fifth: There are three things in life that really bother me:
(1) Warm beer
(2) Wet toilet paper
(3) Inconsiderate people

These are the "things" that drove me AWAY from Canadian Passenger Railroads!. Asking questions, repetitively - getting no responses. Posting information - getting nothing in return. Providing some continuity - getting less than 50% in return. I just don't get it ....... never have and never will. Thank heaven for those of you who keep this idea flourishing. THANX! [tup] [;)] You know who YOU are! [;)]
Sixth: I'm rambling and raving ... and it's Friday night. Pizza night at "Our" Place - the gals are here, all four of 'em. The Juke is blaring away with some Alabama hits - awwwwwwwwwright! Let's party on [swg]

Tom


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 17:07:58
THE GALS of "Our" Place

Every now and then I need a REMINDER - who's who when it comes to our gals ......

Ruth, Ann, Lucy, Jemima - hired by Tom as the "Redhead - Blonde - Brunette and Raven haired beauty." Nick provided the names - so Ruth is the redhead, and so on .........

They work weekend nights - Friday's and Saturdays, with occasional special events - lingerie shows, etc. [;)] [yeah]

Tom


QUOTE: passengerfan
Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 18:26:17 NOTE: Because of the detailed and interesting information contained in this post by passengerfan Al I have included it in the SUMMARYnot as encouragement to “interlopers” but as an example of what this thread is all about!

First a round for the house …..General Motors believed that a single 2,000 hp E unit was capable of pulling a six or seven car train anywhere. Since the E unit was comprised of two 1,000 hp diesels they believed that if anything happened to one diesel the other would be enough to get the seven car lightweight streamlined train to the next station although the timekeeping would be slower. That was the primary reason for so many E-3 through E-7 powered six and seven car passenger trains.
Following WW II the GN put the theory to the ultimate test with the twelve car Empire Builders pulling twelve cars behind a pair of E-7 units between St. Paul and Spokane. The GN soon learned that summers they did not have a difficult time maintaining schedules but winters it soon became apparent that through the mountains an additional 1,500 hp F unit would be a great help. They even went so far as to order five F7B units to be sandwiched between the E-units. But before delivery actually took place they changed their mind and switched to A-B-A sets of F-3 and F-7 units for the Empire Builder and the problem was solved.
The E-units were slippery with their A-!-A trucks versus the F-units powered B-B trucks.
The GN relegated the E-units to the flatter profile regions of the railroad pulling such trains as the Winnipeg Limited, Badger, Gopher, Internationals, and Red River.
The UP on the other hand preferred the ride of the E-units at higher speeds and stuck with them. There solution to Sherman Hill etc. was to operate extra E - units between Omaha and LA and Omaha and Portland. But even with four or five E-8 units on a summer CITY OF PORTLAND the timing over the Blue Mountains and Sherman Hill was very slow. Once out of these areas they ran like the wind.
The Santa Fe was another railroad that became disillusioned with E units and switched to F-units for their premier trains such as the Super Chief, El Capitan and San Francisco Chiefs. Now this was a railroad that provided many miles of 90 mph running and they preferred the F-units in four unit sets.
The claim for the longest passenger train in the US was by the Alaska Railroad on September 15, 1979 from Anchorage to Seward and return with 24 cars and 700 passengers.
During WW II passenger trains were stretched to the length of station platforms and then some. The GN ran the Empire Builder in two sections an all Pullman and an all coach section for the duration of the war. Troop mains rarely ran more than eighteen cars.
Station platforms seemed to be the determining factor of passenger train lengths particularly those station stops where passenger trains were serviced water tanks filled windows washed etc. It was expensive for railroads to stop a passenger train twice at the same station in order to service a single train. It was better for the railroad to operate the train in sections rather than as one long train. It also destroyed timekeeping.


QUOTE: nickinwestwales
Posted: 10 Jun 2005, 21:10:32

Well, good evening one and all,Heavens to Betsy it`s busy in here tonight-

Boris, BORIS a large glass of the special reserve if you please.

Have just come from a gig over in Tenby, mostly attended by sweet young things in frankly inadequate garb, only to slip in the back door and find myself in the middle of a lingerie demonstration- Ruthie in a bra is a definite first, not that I`m complaining...........

Tom-I`ll take whatever pizza is left at this time of night, apologies for jokes- they were the only "fit for general consumption" examples I could call to mind at the time.

Photos will appear as soon as I have mastered scanning in and posting ( This is all very new tech. to me ) Sadly, most of my collection is on `point and press` 110 snaps so will most likely not resolve well,however,digi-cam now to hand so watch this space.......

***-hi!-Cymru--pronounced,as near as I can manage, come-ree but with slight shortening of 1st syllable, Pontypridd (dd pronounced as th ) approx 15 miles north/north west of Cardiff, heading out towards Aberdare-as to LlanfairPG, I cant even spell it all, let alone pronounce it !,however will try to find translation (even longer if memory serves).

Ted had no idea you were a fellow muso-should have guessed from your delicate and measured prose style-what is your instrument of choice ?-casts a new light on implications of your recent trauma ,thanks for drummer gag-new to me,

right, moonlight mile for me, BORIS, a round for "the stools"(?) -the track gang can buy their own and the girls will never be short of a drink from an admirer and frankly I think the rest of them are nearly full- Well, Cardigan tomorrow night-wild west time again, wish me luck, safe journey home one and all, regards, nick

Hi Nick About the only thing I can add to your all inclusive post is – as always – appreciate your continuing contributions! [tup] [swg]

Let’s see, given the time zone differences, you are 6 hours ahead of where I am. Perhaps one day we can work out a way to get several of us to log in at the same time. Undoubtedly a good exchange would follow ……. Are you up for it[?] If so, call the shots ……. What’s the best day and time for you[?]

Oh [yeah] – you OWE me an Email [swg]

Tom

QUOTE: trolleyboy
Posted: 11 June 2005, 01:05:27

Good evening just popping in to help Nick and the girls clean up. Nick why does Boris have those lace panties on his head? Oh I see he thought it was his new chefs hat, ask a silly question.

Tom round one of the book hunt did not go well. Not to worry I have a couple more thoughts up my sleeve.

Seem Tom's difficulties with the light rail in MO aren't regulated to his city. As I've mentioned before Philly is reactivating their 15th street carline with refurbed PCC's seems they spent 96 mil to refurbi***hem and the line. Remembering that it was 1992 that the original PCC line there stopped running. It seems that in the 13 years hence people have begun parking where they shouldn't and now don't want to give up their new found though illegal parking spots. The city has also proposed to make the route one way which the populace also has rejected so who knows what will happen. They commenced service on the line late last year.

I may have mentioned that in 1992 my wife and some of our museum people chartered a PCC for the last day of running. Looking at one of the shots it seems some people took chances parking then as well.Have a look at see what I mean. Have a good night. Rob



Hi again Rob Thanx for helping clean up …. Nice of you to do so. [tup]

Oh, if it could only be so simple as to have my city as the only decision maker in the mix. Nope. Many people who first arrive in this area are astounded to find out that:
(1) The City of St. Louis is not part of the area known as St. Louis County. The City broke away from the County back in the 1800’s.
(2) St. Louis County – where I live – has 92 municipalities – mine is just one.
(3) Transportation (highways, airports, river system and railroads) planning decisions get funneled through an organization required by federal and state government where the use of tax dollars are involved.
(4) That organization has voting members comprised of the Mayors of St. Louis, MO and East St. Louis, IL (across the Mississippi River) along with the Chief Executives of the surrounding counties on both sides of the river.
(5) For the most part, they are of one political leaning – doesn’t matter which – just no room for the opposition, so to speak.
(6) They decide, they spend our dollars, and we get to live with it.
(7) For the municipalities without a direct voice on the Council, they are to assume that whoever represents the area at large will carry the banner for whatever issue is involved. So, let’s say you have opposite political parties involved – the Mayor of a municipality vs. the County Executive. One would have a snowball’s chance in Hades to get anything done.
(8) That’s the way it works (or sometimes, doesn’t)!

Oh [yeah], I’ve spent lots of time, resources, and energy on this stuff. No more …

Your story regarding those parking places brings to mind the situation encountered EVERY DAY by those in law enforcement. Just because someone has popularized the notion that breaking the law is “okay,” doesn’t mean it is. People slide through Stop Signs every day – speed on our highways and in our subdivisions – etc. That’s just traffic law. How about the use of illegal substances[?] How about ……… it goes on and on. There are days when I wonder just where society will be in 50 years …. I think ….. well, it doesn’t matter what I think right now. We all KNOW what we want for our grand kids, and the way we are going, good luck! On that note .. end of [soapbox]

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom

QUOTE: Ted D. Kramer
Posted: 11 June 2005, 07:28:12

It’s a beautiful Saturday morning somewhere in the U.S but here is down right obscene.

Rob, another summer here like last year and I may seriously consider reconnoitering your modestly touted area. Being totally retired and free of personal "excess baggage," anything is possible.

Please Tom, I know you've hardly had time to retrieve the cash drawer from the upstairs water closet but a "stiff" Royal would be "to die for" about now. Thanks. Oh, had a "heart to heart" with Ruth and all is now (as before) of a platonic nature.

Nick, good form! Glad to see you in so early. Matah is anticipating the Hungarian fete I have been promising and her Achiles' heel is Poultry Paprikash...a problem? I guess the band will be doning their Cardigans for tonight's gig. While working my way through College and later "moonlighting" in the Military, I worked lots of gigs ("casuals, club dates, dances," et al.). Most of my work was of the Tuxedo variety and the bands were "sweet" to "ad nauseam." Ted Weims, Bob Crosby, Jan Garber, Lester Lanin, etc., etc.! Occasionally, I was called to "sub" on bass trombone with the Kenton, Ray Anthony and Les Elgart bands. Had offers for the road but that Degree came first!!! Maybe some more on this later.

Al, I can appreciate the reasons for breaking long trains into sections. One particularly nasty winter, I rode the B & O Capitol Limited (just another train by then) from Baltimore to Chicago. The consist was over 20 cars. The last eight cars were Pullman and all through W. Virginia and Ohio, the steam lines were freezing-up. Every time we stopped, a crew with blow torches were thawing the lines. We were a full 6 hours late arriving. Fortunately, I didn't go for the extra buck and was, at least, warm in second class (coach). By far, the worst tragedy was the club and dining car's supplies were exhausted and no effort was made to rectify the situation (add-on diner).

Great Blue Balls of Scotland! Look at the time! I'm going to be late for Dr. Peter R. Longs' lecture on Feline dental hygiene over at the High School Gym, Cafe, Audi, Cine, Recreation Center. Hate to leave good company in a rush. Oh Boris, I'll take one of those miniature Royal's to go please? No, not that chess piece...Oh forget it! See ya my friends.

Morning Ted A reply to your Email should have reached you by now … Thanx! [tup]

I LOVE the kind of music you spoke of and are familiar with. Carol[i/] and I spend many hours [i]lost in those great numbers … We have a modest CD collection of the “Swing” era – the leading bands, of course. Oh [yeah]! [tup]

Enjoy your weekend – glorious ‘round here too. [swg]

Tom

QUOTE: CFournier
Posted: Today, 09:42:13


[sigh] Hello to all of you guys. I have been in the hospital for 8 days no, with a pneumothorax, my right lung collapsed Saturday morning last week and I had a rough time since then. Yesterday, the surgeon operated on me with, a new technique they say, and they say it was a success. I'm still in the hospital for recovery, and should be released late next week. As you can see, I got my laptop in my room and can communicate with the outside world... [%-)] I MAY SOUND FUNNY at times, the Morphine will keep me away of any single malt you may offer. [sigh] Got to go for an x_ray again [sigh] I'll be back in a little while.
Chris, in the Northern Dominion...

Hey Chris! Now we KNOW where you’ve been … thought perhaps your work kept you out of circulation OR perhaps a vacation.

Disregard those Emails (if you’ve gotten ‘em) regarding the Rendezvous – we’ll get to that later. My guess is that you’re all for it. [tup] [;)]

Well, needless to say GET WELL QUICKLY!

Check in whenever you can and we’ll be here for you. [tup] [swg]

That's it folks!

Tom (Siberianmo)
Proprietor of "Our" Place




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Posted by CFournier on Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:42 AM
[sigh]Hello to all of you guys. I have been in the hospital for 8 days now,with a pneumothorax, my right lung colapsed saturday morning last week and i had a rough time since then. Yesterday, the surgeon operated on me with, a new technique they say, and they say it was a succes. I'm still in the hospital for recovery, and should be released late next week. As you can see, I got my laptop in my room and can communicate with the outside world...[%-)] i MAY SOUND FUNNY at times, the Morphine will keep me away of any single malt you may offer.[|(][sigh]Got to go for an x_ray again [:(!] I'll be back in a little while.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:28 AM
Its a beautiful Saturday morning somewhere in the U.S but here is down right obscene. Rob, another summer here like last year and I may seriously consider reconnoitring your modestly touted area. Being totally retired and free of personal "excess baggage," anything is possible. Please Tom, I know you've hardly had time to retrieve the cash drawer from the upstairs water closet but a "stiff" Royal would be "to die for" about now. Thanks. Oh, had a "heart to heart" with Ruth and all is now (as before) of a platonic nature.

Nick, good form! Glad to see you in so early. Matah is anticipating the Hungarian fete I have been promising and her Achiles' heel is Poultry Paprikash...a problem? I guess the band will be doning their Cardigans for tonight's gig. While working my way through College and later "moonlighting" in the Military, I worked lots of gigs ("casuals, club dates, dances," et al.). Most of my work was of the Tuxedo variety and the bands were "sweet" to "adnauseam." Ted Weims, Bob Crosby, Jan Garber, Lester Lanin, etc., etc.! Occasionally, I was called to "sub" on bass trombone with the Kenton, Ray Anthony and Les Elgart bands. Had offers for the road but that Degree came first!!! Maybe some more on this later.

Al, I can apprciate the reasons for breaking long trains into sections. One particularaly nasty winter, I rode the B & O Capitol Limited (just another train by then) from Baltimore to Chicago. The consist was over 20 cars. The last eight cars were Pullman and all through W. Virginia and Ohio, the steam lines were freezing-up. Every time we stopped, a crew with blow torches were thawing the lines. We were a full 6 hours late arriving. Fortunately, I didn't go for the extra buck and was, at least, warm in second class (coach). By far, the worst tragedy was the club and dining car's supplies were exhausted and no effort was made to rectify the situation (add-on diner).

Great Blue Balls of Scotland! Look at the time! I'm going to be late for Dr. Peter R. Longs' lecture on Feline dental hygene over at the High School Gymna, Cafre, Audi, Cine, Recreation Center. Hate to leave good company in a rush. Oh Boris, I'll take one of those miniature Royal's to go please? No, not that chess piece...Oh forget it! See ya my friends.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:05 AM
Good evening just popping in to help Nick and the girls clean up.Nick why does Boris have those lace panties on his head? Oh I see he thought it was his new chefs hat,ask a silly question. Tom round one of the book hunt did not go well. Not to worry i have a couple more thoughts up my sleave.Seem Tom's difficulties with the light rail in MO aren't regulated to his city.As I've mentioned before Philly is reactivating their 15th street carline with refurbed PCC's seems they spent 96 mil to refurbi***hem and the line.Remmbering that it was 1992 that the original PCC line there stopped running. It seems that in the 13 years hence people have begun parking where they shouldn't and now don't want to give up their new found though illegal parking spots. The city has also proposed to make the route oneway which the populace also has rejected so who knows what will happen. They commenced service on the line late last year. I may have mentioned that in 1992 my wife and some of our museum people chartered a PCC for the last day of running. Looking at one of the shots it seems some people took chances parking then as well.Have a look at see what I mean. Have a good night. Rob
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Friday, June 10, 2005 9:10 PM
Well,good evening one and all,Heavens to betsy It`s busy in here tonight-Boris,BORIS a large glass of the special reserve if you please. Have just come from a gig over in Tenby,mostly attended by sweet young things in frankly inadequate garb,only to slip in the back door and find myself in the middle of a lingerie demonstration-Ruthie in a bra is a definate first,not that I`m complaining...........Tom-I`ll take whatever pizza is left at this time of night,apologies for jokes-they were the only "fit for general consumption" examples I could call to mind at the time. Photos will appear as soon as I have mastered scanning in and posting ( This is all very new tech. to me ) Sadly,most of my collection is on `point and press` 110 snaps so will most likely not resolve well,however,digi-cam now to hand so watch this space.......***-hi!-Cymru--pronounced,as near as I can manage,come-ree but with slight shortening of 1st syllable, Pontypridd (dd pronounced as th ) approx 15 miles north/north west of Cardiff,heading out towards Aberdare-as to LlanfairPG, I cant even spell it all,let alone pronounce it !,however will try to find translation (even longer if memory serves).Luke,assume your `over there` so this probably wont mean much but Stanier `Princess` and `Duchess` class pacifics regulaly worked 14 to 18 car heavyweight sets unassisted between London and Glasgow/Edinburgh over some ferocious gradients and during WW2 Gresley V2 2-6-2`s worked anything up to 25 cars loaded to standing room only-equivalent of an extra half dozen cars-on troop transports,far and beyond anything they were designed for. Onto the diesel era and the `Peaks` & `Deltics`turned in performances that suggest that any load limit was purely theoretical,hope this helps,Ted had no idea you were a fellow muso-should have guessed from your delicate and measured prose style-what is your instrument of choice ?-casts a new light on implications of your recent trauma ,thanks for drummer gag-new to me,right,moonlight mile for me,BORIS,a round for "the stools"(?) -the track gang can buy their own and the girls will never be short of a drink from an admirer and frankly I think the rest of them are nearly full-Well, Cardigan tomorrow night-wild west time again,wish me luck,safe journey home one and all,regards,nick
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 10, 2005 6:44 PM
passengerfan Al
Your most detailed account of passenger rail motive power is most appreciated by those of us who appreciate this type of dialogue. Alas, I think it is totally lost on those who frequent these forums and threads with questions simply designed to either (1) run up stars, or (2) sit back and wait for the reaction.

Hope to see you 'round here for some interaction amongst the regulars, and of course to partake in what "Our" Place is all about. After all it IS Friday night - Pizza, steak & fries, and all four gals are on the "clock." [tup] [swg]

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Posted by passengerfan on Friday, June 10, 2005 6:26 PM
Have to get in when passenger trains come up. First a round for the house and i will try to answer the question about number of passenger cars by a unit.
General Motors believed that a single 2,000 hp E unit was capable of pulling a six or seven car train anywhere. Since the E unit was comprised of two 1,000 hp diesels they believed that if anything happened to one diesel the other would be enough to get the seven car lightweight streamlined train to the next station although the timekeeping would be slower. That was the primary reason for so many E-3 through E-7 powered six and seven car passenger trains.
Following WW II the GN put the theory to the ultimate test with the twelve car Empire Builders pulling twelve cars behind a pair of E-7 units between St. Paul and Spokane. The GN soon learned that summers they did not have a difficult time maintaining schedules but winters it soon became apparent taht through the mountains an additional 1,500 hp F unit would be a great help. They even went so far as to order five F7B units to be sandwiched between the E-units. But before delivery actually took place they changed their mind and switched to A-B-A sets of F-3 and F-7 units for the Empire Builder and the problem was solved.
The E-units were slippery with their A-!-A trucks versus the F-units powered B-B trucks.
The GN releagated the E-units to the flatter profile regions of the railroad pulling such trains as the Winnipeg Limited, Badger, Gopher, Internationals, and Red River.
The UP on the other hand preferred the ride of the E-units at higher speeds and stuck with them. There solution to Sherman Hill etc. was to operate extra E - units between Omaha and LA and Omaha and Portland. But even with four or five E-8 units on a summer CITY OF PORTLAND the timing over the Blue Mountains and Sherman Hill was very slow. Once out of these areas they ran like the wind.
The Santa Fe was another railroad that became disillusioned with E units and switched to F-units for their premier trains such as the Super Chief, El Capitan and San Francisco Chiefs. Now this was a railroad that provided many miles of 90 mph running and they preferred the F-units in four unit sets.
The claim for the longest pasenger train in the US was by the Alaska Railroad on September 15, 1979 from Anchorage to Seward and return with 24 cars and 700 passengers.
During WW II passenger trains were stretched to the length of station platforms and then some. The GN ran the Empire Builder in two sections an all Pullman and an all coach section for the duration of the war. Troop mains rarely ran more than eighteen cars.
Station platforms seemed to be the determining factor of passenger train lengths particularly those station stops where passenger trains were serviced water tanks filled windows washed etc. It was expensive for railroads to stop a passenger train twice at the same station in order to service a single train. It was better for the railroad to operate the train in sections rather than as one long train. It also destroyed timekeeping.
Hope this helps.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 10, 2005 5:07 PM
THE GALS of "Our" Place

Every now and then I need a REMINDER - who's who[?] when it comes to our gals ......

Ruth, Ann, Lucy, Jemima - hired by Tom as the "Redhead - Blonde - Brunette and Raven haired beauty." Nick provided the names - so Ruth is the redhead, and so on .........

They work weekend nights - Friday's and Saturdays, with occasional special events - lingerie shows, etc. [;)] [yeah]

Tom
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 10, 2005 4:46 PM
FOR Trolleyboy Rob (and anyone else who actually reads this stuff!)

First off - Congrats (again) on your entry into the "Order of the Stool." Now, of course, that could have a totally different meaning if one were a hospital worker, for example! [;)]

Second - Good luck on the great Canadian book hunt. Hope it turns out well! I've got the PCC car all set to go ........ [swg]

Third - It surely must be MY DAY for A-holes ... if you know what I mean. I've encountered a couple in the real world and have no tolerance left for any in the cyber world ....... NOT YOU, Rob - just venting ........ [:(!]

Fourth - As much as I respect many of the guys over at the "Coffee Shop" the last thing I want to do with "Our" Place is to emulate that. No thanx. We have a good thing going 'round here and let's nuture it. Seems to me that every now and then we are going to get stragglers and just plain oblivous-to-reality people dropping in. I'm not for encouraging that kinda stuff. Too many other places where these guys "ring" up their numbers count, almost as if those "stars" really have significance. [yeah] right!

Fifth: There are three things in life that really bother me:
(1) Warm beer
(2) Wet toilet paper
(3) Inconsiderate people

These are the "things" that drove me AWAY from Canadian Passenger Railroads!. Asking questions, repetitively - getting no responses. Posting information - getting nothing in return. Providing some continuity - getting less than 50% in return. I just don't get it ....... never have and never will. Thank heaven for those of you who keep this idea flourishing. THANX! [tup] [swg] You know who YOU are! [;)]

Sixth: I'm rambling and raving ... and it's Friday night. Pizza night at "Our" Place - the gals are here, all four of 'em. The Juke is blaring away with some Alabama hits - awwwwwwwwwright! Let's party on [swg]

Tom
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 10, 2005 4:41 PM
-A very recent Post serves to remind me that the drinking age is indeed of "cyber" stuff.-

Let's see, which gal is working tonight? RUTHY, so nice to see ya [ashen face]. Please set up the bar and we need to talk later, okay? Funny how "reitrement," is such an illusive condition. Perhaps "planned independence" would more accuratly describe this "stage" for me. I see it as sort of casting away plodding regimentation for pursuing things for which, previously, there was no time. If anything, my days are now longer than before retirement, yet pass in half the time. Think I'll leave this to those toward a more philosophical bent. Speaking only for myself: I LIKE it!

***, it is of the wildest coincidence that we should both have relatives in "T-Town." I attended the University of Tulsa in 1956 and received a Bachelors of Music Education degree in 1961. I still have immediate family in Tulsa. Not much of a railroading town, except for the Frisco "hump yards" across the River. Still, I managed to catch the Frisco, Katy, and Santa Fe action as often as possible. This is too far a "stretch" to imagine but our neighbors across the street, The Hudsons, worked for Amarada until the early 1960's. I can't bring myslef to say: "It's a small......". No...its just too schmalzy!

Okay, how 'bout another bout for this tenacious "Ten" and Ruthy; how's about closing time for a little "somebody done somebody wrong song?" G'Night folks.
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 10, 2005 4:21 PM
FOR: Luke Yu

It is obvious that your visit to "Our" Place has nothing to do with the intent of this thread ..... the very first page gives a thorough description of what we are all about. Also, this forum is for Classic Trains and to have a bit of fun in our cyber bar 'n grill as we exchange our stories and thoughts about those trains. There are many forums to browse through on trains.com - suggest you post your question on one of the more general topics.

I think Ted's response to you is the best you are going to get. The variables ARE many - What type loco? What is the horsepower? What type of passenger cars (heavyweight - LRC - streamliners, etc.) What is the grade of the route? It goes on and on ........

Good luck,
Tom (Siberianmo)
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Posted by trolleyboy on Friday, June 10, 2005 3:31 PM
Good afternoon everyone Hot but settled so far today more storms are lurking though I fear.Luke I'm hopping passengeral stops by as he will likely have the most consise answer for you. However depending on tthe terrain and type of train I would think 20 fully loaded heavy weights is not out of the question. I know that the CNR used to run the supercontinental accross the sheild with one Mountain or Northern type steam locomotive and those trains were at least 20-24 cars long with the head end cars etc. More modern times Go transit for insatnce pulls 12 bilevell commuters at 70 mph with one F59 locomotive granted these runs are pool table flat. My thoughts are that it will depend on the types of locomotives types of cars and most importantly are you running on flat terrain or in the mountains. I don't know if you will find an absolute right or wrong answer.[#welcome] by the way. I hope you pop by often as I'm sure others will attempt to answer your query as well. Tom i've sent you another trip thought so you will likely have two replies from me.BTW Thanks for the stool, i'm truly honoured.I'm heading to st Catharines tonight so I may have an answer on that book for you(keep your fingers n toes crossed) Oh my Boris has taken that quite seriously he's quite the contorsionist, ahhaa, that's where I've seen him before he was one of those Barhnam and Baily sideshow actors( the rubber boy or something to that effect)Ted I do hope that you are spared the worst of hurricane season,i'm spoiled I live in a fairly non-remarkable weather area,few tornadoes(like one every 20 years or so)and realitivly mild winters and summers asside from the occastional storm.(Sure that you don't wan to retire up here? I'll shovel the snow for you[tup]) well gentlemen i'm off for now enjoy pizza night,Boris has been slaving over the peperoni slicer(I just hope he dosen't bach into it and get behind into his work) I know that's an old groaner. A little shot of yard three last July 10th during the museums 50TH aniversary celebration. Talk to you all later. Rob
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 10, 2005 3:27 PM
Hello Luke, there are too many variables and unknowns to the question for a definitive answer. I suppose any locomotive on a 4% downgrade could "carry" (or be carried) an unlimited number of cars. Could you frame the "question" into a specific locomotive in a "specific" invironment and perhaps there would be enough data to do some calculating for a reasonable answer. Happy rails, Luke. Ted
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 10, 2005 3:27 PM
Good afternoon Y'all.

Sorry I did not get in for lunch today. It is Friday and that is Fi***aco day at my favorite Mexican reataurant, Desparados, across the street from the office. Cannot miss that delicacy. Since it is after noon I think I will have a Guiness. Love that black brew. (BURP)

Thanks, Nick for the flash about pulling the pullmans from the Penzance run. I like to look out the window so I travel during daylight hour whenever possible. The nice thing about the trip to Penzance is that west of Plymouth they still have and operate armstrong interlocking towers. Wanted to visit one, but the train stop is too short to call on the tower. (Note the British wordage about stopping somewhere). My Grandfather was born in Pontypredd Wales Cardiff and immigrated to the new world in 1898. Even looked up his data on the Ellis Island web page that shows the ships manifest and names of all arriving immigrants.showing him arriving on the Good Ship Aurania on May 19, 1898. I still have relatives in the UK and have visited with them on occasion. I have not been able to locate Pontypredd on any map. Do you have an idea where it may be?

Have seen the CYMRU name on BBC advertising for the Welsh Development Council. I have one question: How do you pronounce CYMRU? Another Wel***own I would like to visit sometime just to photograph the station sign board for LlanfairPG. Again I have no idea how to pronounce that 57 letter long town name.

BURP! Boris, could you top off my Guiness? I think the mug must have a hole in it as it seems to drain out real fast.

Yes, my retirement is coming up in the near future. In some respects I am looking forward to it. Then we can visit our grand children - 4 in Tulsa and 3 in Austin- when we want to and for as long as we want. I have a couple of things in the works for my retirement. I know that after about 6 weeks you will have all of the squeaky doors and loose drawer pulls fixed. Then what? I have been approached about consulting, what I do now, for some of my friends. This is good. Keeps the mind sharp, brings in a little more Guiness-Boris-please fill it up again-money, and I can work as much or as little as I want. For the last two years I have been commuting 65 miles each way from our lake/retirement home on Cedar Creek Lake to Dallas. I will not miss that trip. Now it is a 13 hour day from the time I walk out the front door until I walk back in. The one redeeming thing is that I am in a car pool and someone else does all of the driving. I can sleep or sip my coffee and relax.

Coalminer 3 we need to talk sometime. As you know we are originally from West Virginia and I spent a couple of summers while in college surveying coal mines around Morgantown. I was convinced after being in a couple of minor explosions and slate falls that I did not want to be a coal mole. I changed my major from Engineer of Mines, soft rock option to Engineer of Mines, Oil and Gas option.

Well, it is about time to catch the train to my carpool. Boris, could I get a sandwich for the ride home?

See y'all next week.

Cheers,
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The maximum number of passenger cars that a locomotive can carry?
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 10, 2005 2:37 PM
Hello everyone here.

Here is the question that I have been searching for an answer for a while, but never come close.

I want to know what is the maximum number of passenger cars that a locomotive can carry?

I have been searching everywhere for an answer, include Guinness World Records, but did not find anything.

I guess a train can have as many passenger cars as one likes, it will just run very slowly. But I need to know in the real world situation, how many psaaenger cars can a train have? I hope someone here is knowledge enough to answer my question.

Yours truly,
Luke Hu
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 10, 2005 1:00 PM
G'day coalminer 3 Whatillyahave[?] C'mon - it's lunch and our sandwiches are the absolute best anywhere 'round these parts. [tup] [swg]

Amazing that any of those RR's would be quiet - ever. Given what we read these days about America's overloaded trackage, etc.

I'm trying to convince a friend of mine to take a day trip with me aboard Amtrak to Chicago. Go north at 4:30 AM and return aboard the Texas Eagle at 3:15 PM. That return should be fun - Superliner cars - dinner in the diner (..... nothing could be finer!) and so forth .... Heck, if he doesn't make up his feebleassmind soon, I'll go it alone! [;)]

You hit the nail on the head regarding your retirement comments. That's my point exactly - the countdown to my way of thinking is anything but a positive statement. Of course there ARE exceptions and I don't want to paint with too wide a brush.

I'm a living example of one who had a plan to engage in something else almost immediately upon retirement. It was good for me and those around me and I'm NOT talking about another career. I went to college - full time day student - and got educated after 32 years of service to my country in the USCG. After that - I became a police officer (reserve) and after that an advisor to my State Representative/Senator and after that .........

Just don't let the word retirement mean more than it really is. End of story.

Oh by the way, your input 'round here is always welcome - so let's have some thoughts on our Rendezvous - I'd appreciate an Email tho ......

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom
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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, June 10, 2005 12:09 PM
Please excuse the long silence. Coffee (as always) please, and I've got to get back to it.
Back from yet another road trip to Northern Virginia. Lovely weather: all the heat humidity and thunderstorms I could stand! And more of the same over here. Things were VERY quiet on the C&O and also on what little of the NS I did see.

A quick comment re Our Place's most excellent (and photogenic) mascot - I have a box of Milk Bones handy at all times to pacify our K9 corps at home, and will be happy to share. I assume the mascot is in the building - Aha! over there, under the pool table - I see the eyes!

One last thought (I'm 5th on the list here): I don't even think abt retirement, but I do see lots of folks counting down and I think, what are they going to do when they get out?

work safe
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 10, 2005 9:53 AM
*** Good powers of deduction, my friend. I'd say your theory regarding D E G O Y L E R somehow kicking in the censor mechanism for these forums must be related to the an ethnic slur .... Nevertheless, you point was made and we've managed to circument the censor. [tup]

I have a suggestion - avoid the countdown to retirement. It's not a healthy thing to do, for you or those around you. I saw so much of that in the service that when my time came - I kept it to myself. The end of the so called line insofar as a career is concerned is as inevitable as the end of any given day. Has nothing to do with the end of being productive and happy. Just my [2c]

Now, how about some RESPONSES to the activity that's been taking place 'round here[?] Geesh .... You must be way behind in the SUMMARIES [;)]

By the way, this is a cyber bar ' grill, so whatillyahave[?] [swg]

See ya! [tup] [swg]
Tom
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 10, 2005 9:38 AM
For Tom-

I was not aware that this thread was blocking the name of the library and my employer D e G O L Y E R. Everett Lee, or Mr. D as he was affectionally called ,was one of the founders of many of the current day oil institutions. In 1933 he discovered the first oil in Mexico. He was also the founder and president of Amerada Petroleum, which merged with Hess to form the current company Amerada Hess. He was the father of current day geophysical prospecting starting the GSI company (Geophysical Services Inc) to make the equipment needed. GSI morphed into the current day Texas Instruments. He recognized the need for an oil field laboratory services company and also started Core Labs, the premier company offering fluid and rock laboratory services. In 1936 he arelized the need for an independant company to provide unbiased third party opinions of an oil fields value. He partnered with Louis MacNaughton and they formed the current D e G O L Y E R and Mac Naughton which employees me. I never met either man as they both passed away before I came here in 1978. During WW II Mr. D was on the Petroleum Board for the government (do not remember the correct name). During his service he visited Saudi Arabia, which was just beginning to produce oil. He announced that the centroid of oil production would shift from Texas to the Middle East in the future. Time has proven him correct! He also was on the board of directors of the Southern Pacific railroad and had his own private rail car. Being a director got the car hauled free. Not a bad deal. (This is the railroad connection for this blurb) Think I have been here too long as out of our 175 employees only one professional has more tenure (by 2 months) than me. (I know where all of the skeletons are hidden). I work in the international group and specialize with 75% of my time spent on North Sea fields. The North Sea is a very mature basin and I canot advise a recent graduate to become a North Sea expert as I am. In 10-15 years he will be hunting a job. Since I have about 200 days to go I am not worrying. The North Sea is not a bad place to work. I have only been to an offshore platform once and that was for a half day inspection. All of my work is in offices. Going to London, Copenhagen, Aberdeen, Stavanger, and Paris is not bad duty. Certainly beats the H _ _ _ out of going to Lagos Nigeria. (Been there and have no desire to return).

Oh well, back to my initial thought. The four letters that are redacted, D e G O, might be construed a slur to our Italian friends with the letter E changed to A. I agree that there is no place for profanity or ethnic slurs on such a forum and I do not use slurs at any time. Occasionally a four letter word will slip out at a bad moment. If you have any input to the webmaster of this forum suggeds a little correction on redacted words and ask about using spell check. I tend to have fat fingers and will hit the wrong keys. Try to catch them but occasionally one will slip through.

Cheers,
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, June 10, 2005 9:03 AM
SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Howdy Folks! Friday – hooray – and how’s everyone this fine day[?] We survived Fish ‘n Chips night, even though Boris had some difficulty heating up the oil[?] The term, Rocket Surgery … [swg]

As always, our light breakfast fare awaits one and all. I see a couple of our gals have stopped by and offered to serve the breakfasts in between their stints at the lingerie show in the back room. Oh, didn’t I tell you about that[?][oops] [}:)]

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
In an unprecedented move, the “Awards Committee” has unanimously selected Trolleyboy Rob to receive a Stool as a token of appreciation from “Our” Place for his continued support and interest in what we do [?] around here. Congrats to you, Rob [yeah] [wow] [tup] [swg]

ADDITIONALLY, the Committee has decided to drop the numbering system, in favor (favour) of a permanent/reserved stool arrangement, thereby eliminating any discomfort one might have regarding pecking order.

The next session of the “Awards Committee” will take place during the first week of July (or, whenever …….[?])

The Order of the Stools
Permanent Stool Chris First customer, [^] Barrister and Quebec connection
Permanent Stool Ted Customer with unparalleled good cheer [swg] and determination
Permanent Stool Nick Chief Chef of “Our” Place [C=:-)] and customer supreme from West Wales
Permanent Stool Trolleyboy Rob If it concerns street cars, talk to me! – and Ontario connection
Reserved Stool Passengerfan Al Walking, talking “Classic Train” Aficionado [2c] from California
Reserved Stool *** Watkins Rail enthusiast and world traveler – and Texas [C):-)] connection
Reserved Stool earlydiesels Restorations are us! … And train lover at large [2c]
Reserved Stool West Coast S California man of mystery and west coast connection [2c]
Reserved Stool coalminer 3 Northeast rail Aficionado [2c] and West Virginia connection

On to the SUMMARY:
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 09:14:39
FIRST ANNUAL "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous
The idea has taken hold, guys! The responses on the threads and by Email are absolutely positive and all for the idea.

So - we WILL proceed with the planning for our rendezvous.

PLEASE let us communicate the details by Email to me. I will coordinate the dissemination of the info to all as the pieces begin to fall into place.

Some thoughts regarding what we are about to do and how to do it once we have decided upon a location (which certainly appears to be Toronto):

(1) Someone has to coordinate all of the activities - that would be the guy who lives closest to the area where the "First Annual 'Our' Place Classic Trains Rendezvous" takes place. Let's call this guy the Activities Coordinator, whereas I will be the Planning Coordinator. They are two separate and distinct functions, with really the latter kicking in first - as we are doing now.

(2) Time of year is extremely important for many - travel, costs, vacation time, etc. This really will require some serious discussion amongst those of us who want to attend.

(3) Costs - big time issue and mentioned in #2 - must try and make this a reasonable outlay if for no other reason than to not scare away people who would otherwise attend.

(4) Guys only? This is for those of us who spend the time and energy in "Our" Place. For our first get together, no need to place any undo restrictions on the idea or group. So, yes - this is for the guys from "Our" Place.

(5) Up front money: At some point, we have to be willing to put up some bucks in order to guarantee hotels, transportation, and the rest of the itinerary. That's a given, but will have to occur if this is to happen. I even see the need for the "host" receiving some money just to ensure that his costs are covered. We'll kick this around too.

(6) How long is the rendezvous? As I initially indicated, one full day and night for our first one should really be sufficient. As we progress through the planning, and get the inputs from those wishing to attend, there will be flexibility of course. BUT, consider that hotels, meals and other personal expenses mount up and we don't want this idea to be a bank buster.

(7) More? You bet .... this will come from you and everyone else interested in pursuing the rendezvous - BUT only by Email - PLEASE.

More to follow as the details fall into place. [tup] [;)]

Tom


QUOTE: Ted D. Kramer Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 09:18:55
Since there have been a few "true confessions" regarding various degrees of "model" railroad involvement by the Membership, I'll offer my contribution for your approval. I think I mentioned to Rob at an earlier post that my last project was scratch building a Cincinnati Car Co., circa 1920. She was a sleek "greyhound" of a wench at 59 ft. (o.a. length), 12 ft. 6 1/2 in. (height, rail to roof), 9 ft. (o.a. width) and could seat 68 passengers clipping along at 80 m.p.h. (max.). Her rich maroon paint with light green trim livery, stained glass windows (on either side) of the wide 56 in. center doors (both sides), arch roof and delicate curvature of the ends (single end operation) came together to yield one handsome car indeed. The car ran service out of K.C., Mo through Clay Co. and to St. Joseph, Mo. The Road's name was Kansas City, Clay county and St. Joseph (oddly enough). The model is of wood construction with laminated sheet brass over the wooden frame (rivet detail, etc. embossed with cog wheels over brass). The motor "brick" is standard fare, Aristo Craft. I run this car on my loop to point (outside) right-of-way which is braced off my privacy fence (40 in. above ground level).

To Keep things interesting, I also run an Aristo Craft "Doodlebug" (D.C.C.) heading a consist (to date) of an R.P.O. and 3 box cars, also "Aristo's." I will equip the Trolley with D.C.C. a.s.a.p. as it isn't a good idea mixing with conventional power. Rob, I thought of "overhead" feed but with Florida's summer storms, I would no doubt, end up with a yard festooned with spaghetti and chop sticks.

Well, that's enough for this post, I noticed Boris has nodded off and his Chef's chapeau is precariously close to that lit candle. I hope to cover my HO situation in following posts but for now, permit me to ask Tom to do the honors "one more time" (Count Basie). Gents, a pleasure as always but before I "shag"...does anyone smell something burning?


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 10:04:10
Morning Ted What IS that smell[?][:(!] Good grief - grab that fire extinguisher and give Boris a bath ..... now HOW in the world did that happen[?]

This thread of ours does a bit of drifting from time to time - so, what's the harm[?]Model railroaders most probably make up a significant percentage of the contributors to these forums. The question isn't one of real or model trains, it's are they CLASSIC [?]

You know, pictures are said to convey the message of one thousand words - so how about a few[?] Would love to see this Aristo Craft empire of yours.

Ready for 'nother one[?]

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom


QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 11:44:06
Morning Tom and the gang...I should have remembered from past postings you are into Rail Diesel Cars, I know of a fantastic model available in 1/64..Some assembly required.

Where did I put my coffee?

I belong to a Northern and Southern California railfan club, about 500 members in total and we choose a location monthly trackside here in CA for a get together. On average only 15-25 are regulars to these meets, the vast majority are cyber railfans or independents who choose to fan out on their own in small groups on a more frequent basis.

A "Our Place" get together sounds great to me. Lets get some feed back from the rest of the group and see what data we have to work with .

Dave

QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 16:00:43
Hi Dave - The coffee pots 'round here are always filled with freshly brewed regular and unleaded ........ help yourself! [tup]

Should you come across that info on the RDC you mentioned, please post it .... [tup]

Based upon what has come through thus far regarding the FIRST ANNUAL "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous, we ARE going forward with the planning as posted earlier.

Particulars are encouraged to be sent to me by Email, thereby freeing up our thread for the "stuff" that goes on 'round here. So, your thoughts are most welcome. [swg]

From the Email I've received - all positive - it's just a matter of going through those steps I've listed - refining 'em where needed - and moving on with the plan. With a group of 10 regulars - I expect that we'd be really living well if half that number agreed to (1) the rendezvous (2) a location (3) and time of year.

Speaking just for me, I'd be content with any location that can provide the type of experience that our guys are looking for. As I gather more info from the Email inputs, I'll provide a narrative for all to see .... similar to my previous post.

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom


QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 16:44:30
Good evening Y'all. It is a hot humid day in Dallas and it is not much fun being outside especially in the sun. Cannot stay too long as I am waiting on my wife to pick me up. Better skip on the imbibing tonight as today is our 43rd anniversary and we are going to dinner then the Dallas Summer Musicals to see "The Producers". This is a Mel Brooks written and produced show. It was a sad night at the theater on Tuesday I was told. Mel Brooks wife, Ann Bancroft, passed away Monday night and the cast was saddened. I suggested that all girls in the office should wear their leopard print underwear as a memorial to Bancroft (Remember Richard Benjamin in "The Graduate") Did not get any takers or any takers that I could observe. Only 206 days until I retire. Perhaps then I can be a more frequent guest on old #6.

Got to run,
Cheers,
***


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 19:03:33
FOR wrwatkins
Hey *** You KNOW that one cannot just pop in - say a few words - and leave. Boris just won't permit it - especially on fish 'n chips night! [;)]

Given that THIS is a special evening and celebration for you and your bride - on behalf of the 10 regulars of "Our" Place - HAPPY 43rd ANNIVERSARY! and enjoly your night out. [tup]

Leopard print undies[?] [yeah]No, not for you, Boris ....... Geesh.

May I urge you to READ the SUMMARIES before checking back in[?] Lots of things get missed 'round here if one isn't keep up with the banter.

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom


QUOTE: Ted D. Kramer Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 18:04:07
Great Scott Boris! You might have burned the "Our" Place edifice to the ground! That's not to mention the loss of another imported Irish linen Chef's head covering. Nick will be furious. Tom, perhaps this imbecility is best left unmentioned to those not present? Poor Chap has enough challenge just dressing for work, "noblesse oblige?" Still, it might be wise for some of the "regulars" to have a care in our absence.

"Smack-on target? as always Tom. I see nothing left to chance in your preliminary assessment. The duration of "stay" is sensible and I feel all of us appreciate your consideration toward the econmic issues as well.
"Filthy Luker" always raises its' ugly head, doesn' it? It seems a pity to go through a good deal of time, effort and funds for so short a time but afterall this is our "virgin" voyage. If memory serves, those sort of encounters are usually of short duration, lol.
Tom, I am unable to find your "addy" in the "profile." Mine is listed, so if you could drop me an e-mail, I'll get right back "atcha."

Nick, I wasn't thinking when I mentioned "bring your spatula." I'll pick up any such impedimenta as needed in Toronto albeit, probably not of copper. We wouldn't want Air Port Security thrown into a needless "Code Red" condition, would we? I have copius amounts of surplus gauze (post op. supplies) for bouqet garni, straining, etc. I hope you have a better B.A. flight than I from Gatwick to Tampa two years ago. The Boeing 888 (2 giant engines) followed the East Coast route from Newfoundland to Florida non-stop. I expected Richard Simmonds (sp?) to appear and direct a regime of exercise classes somewhere mid-Atlantic. The BA cuisine? Don't ask!

Okay, its a 'round for the gents, then I'm off to the old Guerny Winklepleck Book Emporium for some remedial phonics courses on northern accents. Y'all don't realize, Ah've been pokin' 'round these here parts fur 16 years and durned neer forgot how to right muh name. In the bonds, Ted


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 19:17:07
FOR TED
Evening my friend ... just in time for fish 'n chips and perhaps a nice Ale[?]

Are YOU volunteering to be a caretaker for Boris[?] Isn't this taking the Brother's keeper idea a bit too far[?][ Lotsaluck [swg]

Appreciate your endorsement of the rendezvous precepts ..... try that Email approach again, Ted See my most recent post on GENERAL INFO .....

I'm unfamiliar with the term, "Filthy Luker," however I caught the drift. Yeah - it stinks to high heaven. This effort of ours began in earnest in 1997 - so it has long legs. Unfortunately, for all intents and purposes, it has died on the vine - IF it ever got to that stage. [tdn]

Guerny Winklepleck Book Emporium[?] Say that three times fast .......

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 18:51:58
FOR GENERAL INFO
To send an Email to anyone on the forums:
(1) Click on cyber name to the left of the thread you are responding to; ie: siberianmo
(2) In the "Basic" menu, next to "Contact Info," click on "email"

That's it .... you will be able to send an Email through the forum to anyone participating.
Check out your own listing .....

Tom


QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 19:43:40

good evening everyone. I see Boris is busy frying the fish. No Boris the heads don't get battered[oops] [:O]

Tom I think that you have the right people to get that right of way used, it's just that the purchasing and building of said line are likely quite a bit more money nowadays. Mind you if you get to know the powers that be you may be able to convince them that it has been their idea all along, it just may take a few bottles of cojac!

I'm dodging T storms right now so I'll have to check back in later. BTW Tom I've sent you another "e". Talk to you soon. Rob


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 20:56:57
FOR ROB
We've got to get Boris away from anything that creates heat. He nearly incinerated himself earlier today - not to mention burning "Our" Place to the ground ....... [tdn]

I wish your optimism equated to reality regarding the light-rail situation here. No, my friend - it's hardly as simple as perhaps one may think. We're talking about the established and well healed politicos who call the shots. No amount of cajoling by any of my group could even make a dent. Taking them out back and wailing the crap out of 'em would really be a treat! Unfortunately, that would also get me a stint in the local lock up. No - this isn't a simple matter. It's over and has been over for about 2 years - just that some of us continue with the fight.

We're into some threatening weather at the moment too - couldn't take Juneau for his evening one mile walk - and he's not at all pleased with us. Grrrrrrrr.

I await your Email ....... [tup] [swg]

Tom


QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 19:48:12
Well good evening Tom,gentlemen all and Boris, just a quick one before I step through to the galley, apologies for any typo`s but I have all 3 cats wanting attention here, they seem to know there is fish about and want a piece of the action....

So Thurs. night again, whilst the fryers are heating up how about some traditional hand-crafted one liners....such as –

What do you call a waster that hangs out with musicians ?---The drummer,

What word describes a drummer without a girlfriend--homeless,

how can you tell when a drummer is at your door ?the knocking speeds up halfway through,

what’s the difference between a drummer and a drum machine ? -with a machine you only have to punch the information in once............

O.K, Fantasy Island time, here is the premise behind the projected logo--British freight services have, for some years, been operated by company called E.W.S- English Welsh & Scottish railways, a subsidiary of W.C., right down to the Burgundy & gold livery and increasing numbers of G.M Canada) locos. It seems only reasonable that this segment be connected to the rest of the C.N. network. since car-floats are obviously impractical over such a large stretch of open water, a tunnel is the only viable option, hence the Cymru, Maritime & Western bridge line--running from Milford Haven to Can-Am Union Stn.

I envisage "tunnel motors" in the form of ex N.Y.N.H.H &C F.L9`s running on the 3rd rail with power provided by hydro generators using the unavoidable leakage in any underwater route ( Severn Tunnel-500,000 gals per day) -these would hand off to local power at Haverfordwest -the nearest station with any yard track left in place before clearances thru bridges, tunnels etc become a problem, passenger services to be provided by ex-Southern region 4cep & 4vep units ( explanation to follow).

Logo to include Welsh dragon (heraldic form), maple leaf, lightning bolt (Southern Electric) inside a border of stylised railway track. This over a car body livery of Holly green lower panels with white upper works. N.B-

Cymru is the Welsh name for Wales, loosely translated it means "the comrades" or "the tribe"--basically "us , not you"-It is a standing joke that the same word serves for "stranger" and "enemy"....

Hot from the press, ***-if you want to ride a sleeper train over here, hurry up, it was announced today that the Paddington - Penzance service is losing £1,000,000 P.A. and is under "review"-another one bites the dust...

last feature on tonight’s news, a party of Cuban refugee`s picked up off of Key West having floated across in a 1940`s Taxi converted to a boat(of sorts).

O.K, enough from your foreign correspondent, there`s fi***o batter, chips to fry and as ever, Boris to deal with, be happy people, remember-this ain’t a rehearsal, if it feels good-do it !!!!! regards to all, nick

Hey Nick Always good seeing you ‘round here …. No apologies required regarding typo’s, and the like – I catch ‘em now ‘n then for the SUMAMRIES – but really – close enough will work just fine! [tup] [swg]

Those jokes were horrible! [tdn] Gotta do better than that, my friend. [V]

You go to great lengths to explain your thinking – and it is MUCH appreciated. I’ve never traveled aboard trains in your country, but can well imagine what it’s like thanx to you! [tup] Hey, Nick you gotta post some pix … real and model.

Comments regarding those people fleeing Cuba bring to mind some memories of years past – anything that floats seems to be the modus operandi for Haitians and Cubans – albeit the Cubans are much more innovative.

My idea regarding those logos involves incorporating them at the bar in association with where the customer’s stools are. I’d have yours at a place ON the bar, so that there’d be no doubt regarding whose space this is. With Boris standing guard, I seriously doubt anyone will take issue with this …… [swg]

Things are moving along with the Rendezvous, as you know – and I’ll have a bit more to add on it in a day or two. However, there’s little doubt that any location other than Toronto will be the choice. Given that four members have already said “yes,” and another has expressed interest, I’d say we’ve progressed thru steps one and two: (1) Do we want a Rendezvous Answer: Yes. (2) Where do we want it? Answer: Toronto. Hmmmmmmmmm …. Seems I’ve covered it all right here, thus far! Next is to decide the WHEN part. Send those Emails to me guys, and we’ll get a decision on that in short order.

Okay – gotta run.

See ya! [tup] [swg]
Tom

QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 20:47:27
So Nick would that be a high speed tunnel train. 300km type. I wonder how long that crossing would take. BTW watch out for Boris he's apparently been suplimenting his diet with the fish heads and fins. [xx)]Not sure what installment of museum lore to drop on everyone tonight so i think I'll sign off for now and rethink for tomorrows post. A shot of the museum's classic Grand Trunk(1912) built Rockwood Station saved from destruction and moved to the museum in 1971. Happy trails all. Rob


QUOTE: Ted D. Kramer Posted: 09 Jun 2005, 21:46:07
Evening all, Tom thanks for the refresher course in: "DUHH, wher'd they go, wher'd they go?" I have used the very steps for e-mail you mentioned and forgot entirely about it. [Do you think it’s safe for me to travel alone?] You have one "in the oven" as we speak. Hopefully, you will check it out presently, no rush really.

Yes, I'll have the Flounder filet, Balsamic vinegar, fresh lemon wedges, tarter sauce (extra onion), chips and, if you please, wrap it in the comic section so I'll have something to peruse while savoring a swallow of Molsons Ale. Thanks.

Yes Nick, and may I add a tried and true "one liner" to the list: "So many drummers, so litle time." Three posts in one day should be a good indicator as to what our weather has been here in the "Sunshine State." There is promise of another 3 or 4 days of this from our first storm of the season churning its' way up the Gulf; just another day in Paradise!

Au contrare, I'm afraid Boris is on his own for fair or foul. Still, I wouldn't sit idly by and allow any Bloke to step over a precipice for want of a- - "Moron, look out!"

Tom, I won't pretend to know all the "petty politics" which goes into urban planning, choosing transportation routes and the like. However, there is usually a professional "Grinch" in the "wood pile," with peculiar land holdings in cheap real estate, ideal for draining tax payer's dollars for "right-of-way." Ridership almost always loses out to "ownership" in such cases. High speed rail from some place to no place! The same P.E. tunnels in L.A. that are now being used were "shut down" 50 years ago by a cartel of Firestone, G.M. and Standard Oil. In N.Y.C. it was the "Boss Tweed" gang that fought the Els and subways early 1900's. On and on it goes!

I better call it a night, tomorow I need to sort out all my window plywood (hurricane) inserts for the coming season. Since last Summer, folks aren't so complacent about Mother Nature's whimsical ways. G'night all.

Hi Ted Got your Email and replied – also received your reply to my reply! That’s precisely why I urge one and all to use Email for the Rendezvous discussions. Works much better and keeps it all “in one place” so to speak.

Traveling alone COULD present a problem – not for you, but for those unsuspecting gals up in First Class. [swg]

I couldn’t do justice to the enormous amount of effort put into our ligh-rail “project. Perhaps one day I’ll summarize it all – but not now. Still ticks me off just thinking about it – AND I’m the one who initially brought it up! Grrrrrrrr (that’s Juneau telling me to “chill” ……… [swg]

See ya later [tup] [;)]

Tom (Siberianmo)
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 10, 2005 8:59 AM
Good morning Y'all. We had a great time at the Dallas Summer Musicals last night watching Mel Brooks' The Producers. It was a show that really made you laugh. It was mutually offensive to all ethnic groups and I do not think anyone should miss it if you have the chance to see it. Better get some coffee to get the system started in the morning.

AAH! that tasted good. The show ended at 11:00 PM last night. Since we live at Cedar Creek Lake, which is 65 miles from my office we got a room in town. Somehow I did not want to get home about 12:30 AM then get up again at 4:30 to come back in here. It certainly was great to sleep in a little on a day other than Saturday and Sunday. We also had a great meal at one of our favoirte Italian rerstaurants along with a bottle of the Red.

Excuse me. I think I will grab a plate of the wonderful grits and eggs. Maybe throw in a biscuit or two. No wall paper paste (gravy) for the biscuits. I do not want to turn them into a chloresteral sandwitch. Have enough of a problem with that as it is.

Since my tummy is full now and I am relaxed I think I will spin a little tale for you today. Think I will spin a DART story from my days on the DART board. At times I did feel like someone was really pitching darts at me. My seven years of service on the DART board taught me one thing very clearly. I have NO desire to go any further in politics!
My political career has ENDED!

Well to the tale. Any transit agency knows that buying right of way for light rail through a city is very expensive. Think of the cost of acquiring a 100 foot wide swatch through a city. No one could afford that and guess what the NINBY (not in my back yard) folks would be screaming. We got around this by buying redundant rail lines from the railroads. After the nergers of Class 1s sever lines became redundant. It is on these lines that all of our light rail lines are built. They usally can be bought for .5 to 1 million per mile. Pretty good for a 100 foot swatch through a city. The rail line on it is pure junk. At the best it would be classified as excepted class. Its only value was to a scrap dealer. I really pushed buying any track that came available. DART owns over 250 miles of rail line in the Dallas area. What we are not currently using for commuter service we have leased out to short line operators. Although the rental will never ammortize the purchace cost it will preserves the corridor. You do not want them to go the the Rails to Trails program. Even though this program permits reclaiming the ROW at a future date for rail service again, just try this. I guarantee you that everyone would be screaming their head off at you.

What did we buy? Our initial purchase was the Santa Fe line and yards in Dallas. We built our service facility for light rail on the former Santa Fe yards near Fair PArk. We also used this ROW for the initial buildout to the south. Next we bought the Katy line from downtown Dallas to Rockwall, east of town and the Katy line running northwest from Downtown to Lewisville along I-35E.. We built the Garland line on this ROW. and are now designing the NW extension on the Lewisville line. About the same time we bought the Southern Pacific line from down town to Plano for our Plano line. This was the old Houston and Texas Central Railway. Our last purchase was a bunch of short spurs in the Dallas area plus the H&TC north of Plano to the Red River (really South Sherman Junction) This we have leased out to a short line as it is all out of our service area. I really poushed hard to get this as I know that some time in the future our service area will be expanded north and we will have a corridor in place.

Don't forget the initial rail purchase in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Long before DART was formed the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth jointly bought the Rock Island line between the two cities from the bankruptcy court for $34 million to preserve it for future commuter service. It sat there for several years being used for freight service by UP and BNSF until Dart and the Fort Worth "T" started the Trinity Rail Express. DART is the manager of the line and has contracted out the operation, maintenance, and dispatching to the Herzog Company. Herzog is doing a super job of running the railroad. Thew two class 1s plus a short line still use the corridor for freight. The line was initailly dispatched and maintained by BNSF from their Fort Worth network . Initiall the line was dispatched by BNSF from their Fort Worth operations center and they also did all track maintenance. We had problems with them. Since they were a freight railroad they gave preference to the freight at the expense of passenger service. I have never heard a boxcar complain about being in the hole for 15 minutes, but you can guess the howl form human cargo being in the hole. BNSF, being under a railroad union did not like doingtrack work on weekends when they had to pay overtime. Repairing track during the week days really screwed up our commuter operations. We took over both of these functions and set up a dispatching center at our Irving yard. Herzog now does the dispatching and track work with BNSF only riding the rails. BNSF was very helpful in the transition as they helped set up our center and trained the dispatchers gratis. We thank them for this.

Time to refill my coffee cup and my vocal cords are getting a little tired so I will shut up for now. Only 205 more days until I hang it up.

A point of clarification. We have lived in Texas for 28 years, but we are originally from the northern panhandle of West Virginia. Born, raised and educated there but had to leave after graduating from college to get a decent paycheck in the oil and gas industry. Initially we spent 12 years in Southern California before coming to Texas in 1978. Since we have spent most of our life in Texas I guess that we are naturalized Texans. No, I do not have a cowboy hat or boots.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 9, 2005 9:46 PM
Evening all, Tom thanks for the refresher course in: "DUHH, wher'd they go, wher'd they go?" I have used the very steps for e-mail you mentioned and forgot entirely about it. [Do you think its safe for me to travel alone?] You have one "in the oven" as we speak. Hopefully, you will check it out presently, no rush really. Yes, I'll have the Flounder filet, Balsamic vinegar, fresh lemon wedges, tarter sauce (extra onion), chips and, if you please, wrap it in the comic section so I'll have something to peruse while savoring a swallow of Molsins Ale. Thanks.

Yes Nick, and may I add a tried and true "one liner" to the list: "So many drummers, so litle time." Three posts in one day should be a good indicator as to what our weather has been here in the "Sunshine State." There is promise of another 3 or 4 days of this from our first storm of the season churning its' way up the Gulf; just another day in Paradise!

Au contrare, I'm afraid Boris is on his own for fair or foul. Still, I wouldn't sit idly by and allow any Bloke to step over a precipice for want of a- - "Moron, look out!" Tom, I won't pretend to know all the "petty politics" which goes into urban planning, choosing transportation routes and the like. However, there is usually a professional "Grinch" in the "wood pile," with peculiar land holdings in cheap real estate, ideal for draining tax payer's dollars for "right-of-way." Ridership almost always loses out to "ownership" in such cases. High speed rail from some place to no place! The same P.E. tunnels in L.A. that are now being used were "shut down" 50 years ago by a cartel of Firestone, G.M. and Standard Oil. In N.Y.C. it was the "Boss Tweed" gang that fought the Els and subways early 1900's. On and on it goes!

I better call it a night, tomorow I need to sort out all my window plywood (hurricane) inserts for the coming season. Since last Summer, folks aren't so complacent about Mother Nature's whimsical ways. G'night all.
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, June 9, 2005 8:56 PM
FOR ROB
We've got to get Boris away from anything that creates heat. He nearly incinerated himself earlier today - not to mention burning "Our" Place to the ground ....... [tdn]

I wish your optimism equated to reality regarding the light-rail situation here. No, my friend - it's hardly as simple as perhaps one may think. We're talking about the established and well healed politicos who call the shots. No amount of cajoling by any of my group could even make a dent. Taking them out back and wailking the crap out of 'em would really be a treat! Unfortunately, that would also get me a stint in the local lock up. No - this isn't a simple matter. It's over and has been over for about 2 years - just that some of us continue with the fight.

We're into some threatening weather at the moment too - couldn't take Juneau for his evening one mile walk - and he's not at all pleased with us. Grrrrrrrr.

I await your Email ....... [tup] [swg]

Tom
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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, June 9, 2005 8:47 PM
So Nick would that be a high speed tunnel train. 300km type. I wonder how long that crossing would take. BTW watch out for Boris he's apparently been suplimenting his diet with the fish heads and fins.[:O][xx)]Not sure what installment of museum lore to drop on everyone tonight so i think I'll sign off for now and rethink for tomorrows post. A shot of the museum's classic Grand Trunk(1912) built Rockwood Station saved from destruction and moved to the museum in 1971. Happy trails all. Rob
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, June 9, 2005 7:48 PM
Well good evening Tom,gentlemen all and Boris,just a quick one before I step through to the galley,apologies for any typo`s bu I have all 3 cats wanting attention here,they seem to know there is fish about and want a piece of the action....So Thurs.night again,whilst the fryers are heating up how about some traditional hand-crafted one liners....such as -What do you call a waster that hangs out with musicians ?---The drummer,What word describes a drummer without a girlfriend--homeless,how can you tell when a drummer is at your door ?the knocking speeds up halfway through,whats the difference between a drummer and a drum machine ? -with a machine you only have to punch the information in once............O.K,Fantasy Island time,here is the premise behind the projected logo--British freight services have ,for some years,been operated bya company called E.W.S- English Welsh & Scottish railways,a subsiduary of W.C.,right down to the Burgundy & gold livery and increasing numbers of G.M( Canada) locos. It seems only reasonable that this segment be connected to the rest of the C.N. network. since car-floats are obviously impractical over such a large stretch of open water,a tunnel is the only viable option,hence the Cymru,Maritime & Western bridge line--running from Milford Haven to Can-Am Union Stn. I envisage "tunnel motors" in the form of ex N.Y.N.H.H &C F.L9`s running on the 3rd rail with power provided by hydro generators using the unavoidale leakage in any underwater route ( Severn Tunnel-500,000 gals per day) -these would hand off to local power at Haverfordwest-the nearest station with any yard track left in place before clearances thru bridges ,tunnels etc become a problem,passenger sevices to be provided by ex-Southern region 4cep & 4vep units ( explnation to follow). Logo to include Welsh dragon (heraldic form),maple leaf,lightning bolt (Southern Electric) inside a border of stylised railway track. This over a carbody livery of Holly green lower panels with white upperworks. N.B-Cymru is the Welsh name for Wales, loosely translated it means "the comrades" or "the tribe"--basically "us , not you"-It is a standing joke that the same word serves for "stranger" and "enemy"....Hot from the press,***-if you want to ride a sleeper train over here,hurry up,it was announced today that the Paddington - Penzance service is losing £1,000,000 P.A. and is under "review"-another one bites the dust...last feature on tonights news,a party of cuban refugee`s picked up off of Key West having floated across in a 1940`s Taxi converted to a boat(of sorts). O.K, enough from your foreign correspondant,there`s fi***o batter,chips to fry and as ever,Boris to deal with,be happy people,remember-this aint a rehearsal,if it feels good-do it !!!!! regards to all,nick
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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, June 9, 2005 7:43 PM
good evening everyone. I see Boris is busy frying the fish. No Boris the heads don't get battered[oops][:O] Tom I think that you have the right people to get that right of way used,it's just that the purchasing and building of said line are likely quite a bit more money nowadays. Mind you if you get to know the powers that be you may be able to convince them that it has been their idea all along,it just may take a few bottles of cojac!I'm dodging T storms right now so I'll have to check back in later. BTW Tom I've sent you another "e". Talk to you soon. Rob
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, June 9, 2005 7:17 PM
FOR TED
Evening my friend ... just in time for fish 'n chips and perhaps a nice Ale[?]

Are YOU volunteering to be a caretaker for Boris[?] Isn't this taking the Brother's keeper idea a bit too far[?] Lotsaluck [swg]

Appreciate your endrosement of the rendezvous precepts ..... try that Email approach again, Ted See my most recent post on GENERAL INFO .....

I'm unfamiliar with the term, "Filthy Luker," however I caught the drift. Yeah - it stinks to high heaven. This effort of ours began in earnest in 1997 - so it has long legs. Unfortuantely, for all intents and purposes, it has died on the vine - IF it ever got to that stage. [tdn]

Guerny Winklepleck Book Emporium[?] Say that three times fast .......

See ya! [tup] [swg]
Tom
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, June 9, 2005 7:03 PM
FOR wrwatkins
Hey *** You KNOW that one cannot just pop in - say a few words - and leave. Boris just won't permit it - especailly on fis 'n chips night! [swg]

Given that THIS is a special evening and celebration for you and your bride - on behalf of the 10 regulars of "Our" Place - HAPPY 43rd ANNIVERSARY! and enjoly your night out. [tup]

Leopard print undies[?] [yeah] No, not for you, Boris ....... Geesh.

May I urge you to READ the SUMMARIES before checking back in[?] Lots of things get missed 'round here if one isn't keep up with the banter.

See ya! [tup] [swg]
Tom





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