QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 12:36:50 VIA RAIL's Ocean Some background and an update regarding VIA Rail's Ocean I've been following the changes due for the historic passenger train once referred to as The Ocean Limited in the glory days of rail travel, but now simply known as the Ocean. This train travels the route between Montreal and Halifax, along CN and NBEC (New Brunswick East Coast) right of way. The 100th anniversary of that run was reached on July 3, 2004, as noted in the following VIA Rail Press Release: ------------------------------------------------------- QUOTE: VIA Rail marks route's anniversary HALIFAX, July 3, 2004 -- This year, VIA Rail Canada marks the 100th Anniversary of the Ocean, the longest-running regularly scheduled and named passenger train in North American history, according to this release issued by the Canadian passenger carrier. To commemorate the occasion, VIA Rail hosted celebrations throughout Nova Scotia and New Brunswick on Saturday, July 3, 2004. The celebrations commenced in Halifax where several special guests including Her Honor, The Honorable Myra A. Freeman Lieutenant Governor of Nova Scotia and His Honor Lawrence A. Freeman, Halifax Mayor Peter Kelly, Barbara Kane, member of VIA's Board and Keith Moulton, VIA's Regional Director , Eastern Services attended the event. One hundred years ago, on July 3rd 1904, the Ocean made its inaugural run between Montreal and Halifax. The train, which was christened through a public contest, began as a summer supplement to the Intercolonial Railway's Maritime Express. The rail link it traveled on had been completed in 1876 as a condition of Confederation. Today, the Ocean still travels the same 1346 kilometers of tracks along the St. Lawrence, through the Matapedia valley, linking the cities of Campbellton, Moncton, Truro and Halifax, with central and western Canada. First operated by the Intercolonial Railway, the Ocean became part of Canadian National's network in 1919 and changed hands again in 1978 when VIA was formed. During its 100 years of service, it has not only remained a vital link but a source of pride and progress for communities along its route. And it has played a crucial role during the two World Wars, transporting troops to the Port of Halifax and bringing them home victorious. The Ocean has also often served as a flagship for new railway equipment and technology throughout its history. Through the years, renovations and new equipment transformed the train from one with Victorian-style wooden cars pulled by a 10-wheeler steam locomotive, to a bed and breakfast on wheels. "As the Ocean celebrates one hundred years of Maritime travel this summer, the train seems destined to continue on as an important link between the eastern provinces and central Canada well into the new century", said Keith Moulton, VIA's Regional Director, Eastern Services. On July 15, 2004, as part of a five-year capital investment program, the sprightly hundred-year-old Ocean will make its inaugural run as Canada's newest train. The modern Renaissance equipment includes spacious coach cars, sleeping cars featuring bedrooms with individual showers, service cars with a lounge area and a brand new dining car designed specifically for the Ocean. VIA Rail Canada is the national passenger rail service. VIA transports some four million passengers per year, connecting over 450 communities from coast to coast. Its operations contribute significantly to the tourism sector, generating significant tourism spending throughout Canada. (The preceding release was issued by VIA Rail Canada on Saturday, July 3, 2004.) ------------------------------------------------------- Well, I'm sorry to report that the Ocean I know has faded into railroading history. The introduction of the Renaissance equipment on the run was delayed several times due to equipment problems, one of which was freeze ups. Seems that the cars weren't insulated for Canadian winters. On June 1st, 2005, two of the three trains were Renaissance, with the third still Budd. The Renaissance cars are being refitted in Moncton, NB and will all be ready by Jan 1st, 2006, when all Budd cars will be removed. On May 30th, 2005, I sent the following letter to VIA Rail's President & CEO, Mr. Paul Côté: ------------------------------------------------------- QUOTE: Enclosed you will find copies of VIA Rail ticket receipts for two complete round trips along the entire route of the Ocean from May 5th through the 12th. These are provided only to assure you of the authenticity of our travel. All trips were aboard the Budd stainless steel equipment - our preference. My thoughts regarding VIA Rail and the use of Renaissance equipment on the Ocean between Montreal and Halifax have been documented in past correspondence. However, there are now some issues that I feel should be brought to your attention. (1) Replacing the Budd stainless steel cars with Renaissance equipment will eliminate people such as my wife and I from future travel with you. We did not hear ONE favorable comment from any of the people with whom we spoke regarding your "Euro" train during our recent trips aboard the Ocean. Some were in possession of only anecdotal information, whereas others (such as myself) have travelled aboard them. If what we heard is any indication of the acceptance level of your Renaissance cars, my guess is that it is low. (2) VIA Rail's revision of Easterly Class (June 1st - October 31st) equipment and services will not change our minds insofar as future travel aboard the Ocean is concerned. We most certainly are not interested in having a "Learning Coordinator" intrude on what we have always felt is a personal and private enjoyment of the passing world around us while sitting in the Park Car's dome. Perhaps others may require such "learning," but to turn the Ocean's Park Car into something like a tourist train is a travesty of the 100 plus years of Ocean history and service. Additionally, with just one dome car for the entire train, I can well imagine how crowded that area will be, thereby perhaps eliminating some from the enjoyment of it all. (3) Without a full service Dining Car (with traditional meal preparation), Dome Cars, and bedroom accommodations that provide for reasonable stowage of suitcases for two travelers, Renaissance falls far short of what we have grown to expect during our trips to Halifax. Those "Chunnel chuggers" were not designed for long distance travel nor have they been made to accommodate the full needs of the traveling public. In my opinion, the best Renaissance cars are the Coaches, with comfortable seating and large windows. The Dining Car is well appointed, but the food preparation (previously documented) was very disappointing. The so called Service Cars are hardly the equal of the community and lounge areas of the Park and Skyline cars. (4) The elimination of the Continental Breakfast for Easterly Class passengers during the trips of May 5th - 8th - 9th and 11th was a disappointment and one that we were unprepared for. As early risers, a light pre-breakfast in the Park Car has ALWAYS been something we have enjoyed over the 15 years of traveling that route. It appears that there is nothing special regarding off season Easterly Class anymore - even though the fares keep rising. (5) The elimination of a full breakfast in the Budd Dining Car on the westbound journeys of May 9th and 12th to Montreal was also disappointing and not at all understood. Those breakfasts have been served for decades and apparently with little or no difficulty on the part of your dining car staffs. This "getaway" breakfast aboard the train was something we always enjoyed - but apparently never to be again. (6) The reduction to two entrees in the Budd Dining Car's evening menu along with no chowder (or any soup) was really surprising. Again, over the years, we have always looked forward to the splendid and varied menu selections aboard the Ocean. How disappointing. It is with a sense of profound sadness that we bid adieu to VIA Rail's Ocean in favor of airline travel to Halifax for visits with family and friends. We will miss "you" very much and are heartened only in the knowledge that we have our memories and many, many photographs to keep them alive. ----------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Côté's response dated June 16th: ------------------------------------------------------------ QUOTE: Thank you for your letter of May 30, 2005 and for sharing your views on our Renaissance equipment as well as on the new Easterly Class. We do appreciate feedback from an experienced traveler such as you. I understand your desire for VIA to retain its vintage stainless steel equipment on the Montreal - Halifax route, as it is part of Canada's rich passenger rail history. It is unfortunately not an option as the acquisition of our new Renaissance equipment represents for VIA the opportunity to modernize its services and address, amongst many things, the need of a growing tourism market. Your comments concerning your recent May trips and our new Easterly Service introduced in early June are noted. I would like to mention tht the redesigning of our Eastern Canada service became essential for VIA in light of the increasing compettion from other modes of transportation such as airline discount carriers. After extensive research and consultation it became obvious that success for VIA in maintaining its current level of service would happen by developing products which would cater to the tourism market and by the same token contribute to Eastern Canada's economy. We are in fact duplicating to some extent the service levels which, I understand, you have personally experienced on the Canadian between Vancouver and Toronto. [Note: two complete round trips] Many of the service elements mentioned in your letter have actually been addressed within the scope of our new Easterly project. For example, those traveling in Easterly class will be provided an all inclusive enhanced meal service, which has been redesigned by our Executive Chef. The addition of a Park Car combined with the introduction of a Learning Coordinator with a focus on the Maritime learning experience has proven to be a success since its introduction on June 1st. I understand your concerns about providing sufficient access to the Dome car and of the potential intrusion by the Learning Coordinator for those passengers who prefer a more private enjoyment. I would like to assure you that we will endeavor to exceed the expectations of our passengers and to that end will monitor very closely the service delivery of our new Easterly class service. Thank you again for writing and your genuine interests in VIA's services. --------------------------------------------------------------- All of the aforementioned translates to the end of an era. I'm extremely pleased that we've been fortunate enough to have traveled the route many, many times over a 15-year span. Those Budd stainless steel 85 ft passenger cars with the Skyline dome and Park Car observation dome cars made it the special train that it was once. A dining car with a chef, lounge areas with sufficient space for people to meet and enjoy the experience, bedrooms with sufficient storage space for luggage, and cars designed for North American requirements will all be transferred to the western routes. Exception: three Park Cars for the tourist season (June 1st - Oct 31st). Renaissance - or the Euro Train - or the Chunnel Chugger - will never replace what was for us. Our travels aboard the Ocean have drawn to a close, but the happy memories will remain. Tom
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 12:52:29 Well another Morning is about over somewhere it has to be noon so will use that clock to order my first Crown Royal and water back. I think this will be one of those days where the need for doubles might be necessary. Anyway good morning to all and hope everyone has a good day. I hope they released Chris from the hospital this day and that will surely help speed his recovery. Tom, The name of the Frisco train between Tulsa and KC was the Firefly inaugurated as a streamlined steam powered train December 10, 1939. The trains were originally three cars of streamlined heavyweights from the Frisco's own Springfield shops. Each train was comprised of Baggage 30'Ralway Post Office 16-Seat Coach, 60-seat full coach and Cafe Parlor cars bringing up the markers with 16 seats in the cafe and 16 seats in the parlor section. The Firefly was deseliised in 1950 and discontinued in 1960. Well must run for now as I have more digging to do on a few other trains to complete my manuscript.
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 14:12:32 passengerfan Al The usual AND the bottle! Enjoy ... Appreciate the info on the Firefly - just one of many trains calling KCity's Union Station home. That is one fine structure and thanx to a tremendous effort at rehabing, one can walk those concourses and almost hear the train announcements. Now boarding, the Firefly bound for - - - - - - on track 43. All aboard. or something similar. One of the simple pleasures for me is to just sit and take in the sights and sounds of a vibrant rail station - and in my opinion, Montreal's Central Station leads the pack. Just love that place .... All work and no play makes Al a dull boy - so how 'bout one more [?] [swg] Tom
QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 13:27:34 Sob! Sob! Stop it Tom! We have prepaid for an Eastern Class RT on the Ocean the first 2 weeks in August. Sob! Sob! I am beginning to cry after hearing your rendition of the deteriorating Ocean. Say it is not so. Tell us that we will have a great trip on a great train. That is what we want. I guess we were just born 50 years too late. Then we could ride in the mansions on rails as Beebe and Clegg so well described. Even with unlimited money today owning a private car is not too much fun. You can essentially only go where Amtrak goes and from what I hear they can be bears to deal with. I have a friend who is on the board of Rail America and owns a private car. Just keeping it inspected and overhauled to meet STB specs is driving him to the poor house. My benefactor, Everett Lee ***lyer (De G o l y e r), had a private car in the 50's. Of course he was a member of the Board of Directors of Southern Pacific which gave him certain trackage rights. I guess my only hope is to get elected to the board of one of the class 1s. Hopefully it will be Union Pacific as they have a line within 5 miles of my house and would be a great place to park a private car. Eustace TX, or as we call it Useless, could use a private car parked in downtown. Sob, sob! ***
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 14:24:50 *** No need for sobs - none at all. Your trip WILL be wonderful and you may have the Budd equipment requested. Just check with VIA Rail (as previously discussed by Email. If you booked your trip for a Budd consist, that should turn out just fine - given that something hasn't changed along the way. If I recall, you said you had the Budd equipment for one journey and the Renaissance for the other. So, you'll get both experiences. [tup] Mine was to document what was, what is and what will be. January 1st will be the complete changeover. Right now, one Budd consist remains. The two Renaissance consists have a Budd Park Car at the rear - with a tourist flavor. Look at it this way - if one hasn't traveled the route aboard the Budd cars, then one has nothing to compare it with. My guess is there will be just as many people pleased as not. People such as my wife and I simply detest the changes and will exercise our options to avoid Renaissance in favor of flying to Halifax. Private rail car [?] [yeah] That would be the apex of my dreams, for sure. I've seen them trailing along behind freights now and then .... and of course with Amtrak. I've read about the costs and agree, it would be one ton of bucks - but then again, it's the old saying, If you have to ask about the costs, you can't afford it. That would be me ..... Okay - 'nuf said. Have a drink on me - how 'bout one of your favorites - martooni, I believe [?] [swg] Tom
QUOTE: earlydiesels Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 14:34:05 Hello everyone. A ice cold draught, please. I can be at OUR PLACE around 1900 hours Friday evening. Nick, I haven't had corned beef and cabbage worth eating in around 15 years so there is one favorite dish. I'll try about anything but I am allergic to eggs so surprise me for the others. Ah yes, the Frisco shops here in Spfld. Could build anything from nothing and make it look good. Built the 4300 and 4400 series steamers from scratch and they were just as good as anything Baldwin built. Frisco shops here were actually one of the few to completely build steamers from the ground up on a regular basis. N&W also comes to mind in that respect. I can't remember exactly but it seems the Firefly was painted blue and white and may have been pulled by one of the Hudsons the shops built from tired older engines. There is a wealth of info from the old Frisco archives that the local library is putting on the web. Also being involved with the local rail museum helps too. Went up to the demonstration rr this past weekend. Had great ridership. So far this year ridership has been down. Competition for spendable income, high fuel prices, and lack of marketing so far are the culprits. Had a dragging brake Sunday so stopped the train and made the fireman and conductor(G.M.) walk the train. One of those Canadian cars was acting up. Big holed the train seemed to fix the problem. Time for me to get another cold one, please. Where our rr crosses a major highway, we do not have any active crossing devices. Not even lights. Plenty of visibility in both directions but still idiots race the train to the crossing. I was looking one gal in the eye as she sped up and got on the shoulder to beat me around. This was happening as my fireman was watching a semi skid to a stop partly on the shoulder on his side. We don't run over 10 mph over the crossing with any more than 5 or 6 cars so the time factor for us to pass is very minimal. I am probably preaching to the choir but please, my friends, give trains the right of way. Whew. Sorry about that but I got on a roll. It's a subject I feel very strongly about. It's a truly helpless feeling when you're behind the throttle doing all you can to be safe and some dingdong gambles with their life to save a few seconds. This might be a birthday I can look forward to. They quit being fun around 21 or so. As a form of rebellion against onrushing antiquity, I am letting my hair grow out like it was back in the 80s. Has everyone seen the film DANGER LIGHTS? It's an old 30s rr themed love story. Perhaps we can view it at the party. Things should go well with Boris gone. I don't really want to think of what he may be doing. Druid type things, probably. The local library is having a get together tonight at one of its locations about the Frisco. We are going to attend and maybe learn a few things. I've rambled on enough and so far the bell hasn’t rung so I will try to sneak out of here.
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 15:05:12 earlydiesels Dan Hey! Good seeing you again - cold one coming right up ... [tup] Okay - it's official, Birthday Bash for earlydiesels Dan is ON this Friday evening ..... Dan will be here 'round 7 PM CDST ... awwwwright! [swg] [tup] Nick In keeping with the policy of "Our" Place all cabbage must be cooked outdoors! [dinner]That will clear the back patio of any pests for sure! [swg] Nice post and don't run off .... you're entitled to a rant [soapbox] every now and then ... all of us are! [swg] Here's that second draught ....... enjoy! [tup] [:(!] Tom
QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 20:46:59 Well good evening one and all, TOM -hope the check-up ran to plan, A large cold one if you please and one for yourself-seem to have missed the rest of the crew again-better take for a round anyway, thank you. Okay, excuse me just a moment whilst I wander over to the corner booth and howl for a bit-----------------------[:(!] --------------------------------Ah,much better. Just spent the evening applying a mixture of waterslide and rub-down decals to my laboriously hand painted F.P.7a. A process not helped by the return of my dear heart from an evening meeting. Mmm-that went down quick,best not let the glass get warm-ah,lovely job !--Now Friday--no gigs this weekend so should be able to do the party in real time for once-menu to follow, dont worry about cabbage-I only ever use young Savoy, steamed with butter & black pepper. My train film of choice will be the B/W Classic `Oh Mr Porter` from 193 something starring Will Hay & Moore Marriott. now,Tom, whilst we`re talking films here,-the Gene Hackman item you mentioned-I remember a similar scenario but it`s stuck in my mind that the film was one of the "French Connection" movies:--I remember silver cars with blue stripe above the window and what looked like a geep on the point,although you never got a good look at it--sounds like I`ve nodded off half way through a Gene Hackman double-bill without noticing again. TED, glad to see identity crisis nearing resolution-chances of successfull romance increased when potential bride not likely to be known as Mattah Farkas....................... Feeling much better now, simple things..........night all,take care,nick [C=:-)]
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 21:12:57 Evening Nick - Oh [yeah]two cold ones comin' right up! [tup] Glad you're in fine form this fine night and can work earlydiesels Dan's Birthday Bash this Friday. [tup] [tup] Nothing to be concerned about regarding the med appointment - just a routine thing that I asked for. Thanx for asking (you too, Ted) [:)] Understand those needs for a howl - being around Boris for this long, makes it almost a given! [;)] Howl away, young man - hoooooooooowl! That fllick, Narrow Margin isn't one a rail fan would soon forget. Much of it takes place aboard the train - in it and on it. - along with great shots from above. Gene Hackman and Anne Archer (circa 1990) do a good job with the thriller diller .... I have it, so I'll put it on one of our three large screen TV's ..... That film you recalled may very well have been one of the French Connection fliicks ... I seem to recall that shot of the VIA car's and loco too. Not the movie I'm talking about though. Okay [C=:-)] I'll take yout at your word that this bar 'n grill won't be turned into an eye watering, oxygen mask wearing – did YOU do THAT [?] kinda atmosphere! [}:)] Cabbage and beer - right, no problems ....... ugh! Gotta get going - almost time for Juneau's before bedtime jaunt around the south forty ....... Tom
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 21:21:35 Tom For a time the OCEAN operated with other fine Observations when the trains were CN and they purchased the former Milwaukee Road Skytop Lounge Observations. These cars I originally rode on the Milwaukee Road Olympian Hiawatha and was quite pleased when they showed up on the OCEAN, SCOTIAN and CHALEUR. These cars rode well and glass enclosed rear area really gave an air of spaciousness. Seating capacity wasn't that great but the scenery took on a whole different aspect when viewed from one of these beautiful cars They really were the crowning touch to the CN OCEAN when they were painted in the Black and White scheme. Well one more round for the house and I'm out the door once again. If I ever get carried away just throw me in the shed with Boris, that should sober me up rather quickly. Had the opportunity to ride a modern open platform observation on the rear of the RAPIDO one summer day and rode all of the way from Montreal to Toronto on that platform. Figured I would never get the opportunity again. The cars did not last long on the Rapidos so was even more glad to have had the chance. They even had a piano inside the car and a straw hatted piano player when sing-a-long was all the rage. I think at the time the CN was the most progressive passenger railroad in the country at the time. Haven't heard from Chris today sure hope he was able to leave the hospital this day.
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 21 Jun 2005, 23:47:47 Good evening everyone. Any news from Chris ? I do hope he's home and relaxing. TedI'm wondering which entree you are having with that Wal-Mart wine, the white meat or the red meat? Tom My train movie vote would be for Von Ryan's Express I've always liked it. BTW I'm thinking of sending a keg of Steam whistle beer from Toronto for the Friday birthday bash. It's brewed at the steam whistle brewery in the John street round house in Toronto. I have dug up some photo's from my honeymoon we went to the Sault and road the ACR but we stopped in Huntsville on the way home and sampled the Lake of bays tourist line. At one time this railway was the land link for all the Muskoka steamship lines on the Muskoka lakes which are landlocked but navigable. They have two little 0-4-0's and a couple of coaches (open bench cars) oddly enough both the coaches used to belong to the Toronto Railway Company and were used as summer months trailers for the open bench cars like the museum's 327. I'll post them and some of the better canyon shots the next time I'm in. Unfortunately it rained / snowed on the 7th of October when we were in the Agawa canyon so the shots aren't the clearest as the day certainly was not. Nick why is Boris wearing two ties? Anyway I'm off for now catch everyone tomorrow sometime. Rob
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 22 June 2005, 04:43:34 Mornin' one and all. Just a shot of O.J. please. I'm "on the run" packing for a reunion that will take me out of State. I'll be rubbing shoulders with some folks I haven't seen for 24 years and meeting others for the first time. This was really a "spur of the moment" happenstance. But, that is often preferable to meticulously planned, controlled events that go nowhere. Sorry to miss Friday's festivities but must leave early tomorrow (Thursday) with two old retired Army side kicks sharing the driving to Md. We never know when one of these things may be our last, so I'll "go for it." No lap tops or plans for P.C. sites, thus I'll be "cyberless" for an "open ended" stint. So long until...? Happy Birthday Dan and many happy returns. TED
QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 22 June 2005, 08:21:57 Thanks Tom. We will have a WONDERFUL trip. I did get us confirmed in the Budd cars both ways. No Reniassance cars as I have ridden on them in the old country. Do not need to do that again when you can really have fun in the Budds. Thanks for the drink. Make it a stiff one. More bad news yesterday. I guess I will need the Murine for the red eye from the tears. Yesterday, a casual acquaintance died from cancer at age 81. You probably do not know of Jack Kilby, but he is sort of a God in Dallas. He made most of what we have today possible including this web page. In 1958 while working at Texas Instruments, Jack was the co-inventor of the integrated chip. Without his chip we would not have computers, games, talking greetings cards, and a myriad of other things. Jack will be missed and I am sure that his funeral will be over populated with civic leaders and the leaders of the computer industry. His invention was what made Texas Instruments into the giant it is today. In Dallas TI is known as "The House that Jack Built". Jack was a very down to earth guy and if you did not know him you would never guess his true fame as he never bragged. His Nobel Prize in Physics in 2000 was well deserved. Thats all I can say for now. It truly is a sad day in Big D. ***
QUOTE: Now boarding, the Firefly bound for - - - - - - on track 43. All aboard.
QUOTE: VIA Rail marks route's anniversary HALIFAX, July 3, 2004 -- This year, VIA Rail Canada marks the 100th Anniversary of the Ocean, the longest-running regularly scheduled and named passenger train in North American history, according to this release issued by the Canadian passenger carrier. To commemorate the occasion, VIA Rail hosted celebrations throughout Nova Scotia and New Brunswick on Saturday, July 3, 2004. The celebrations commenced in Halifax where several special guests including Her Honor, The Honorable Myra A. Freeman Lieutenant Governor of Nova Scotia and His Honor Lawrence A. Freeman, Halifax Mayor Peter Kelly, Barbara Kane, member of VIA's Board and Keith Moulton, VIA's Regional Director , Eastern Services attended the event. One hundred years ago, on July 3rd 1904, the Ocean made its inaugural run between Montreal and Halifax. The train, which was christened through a public contest, began as a summer supplement to the Intercolonial Railway's Maritime Express. The rail link it traveled on had been completed in 1876 as a condition of Confederation. Today, the Ocean still travels the same 1346 kilometers of tracks along the St. Lawrence, through the Matapedia valley, linking the cities of Campbellton, Moncton, Truro and Halifax, with central and western Canada. First operated by the Intercolonial Railway, the Ocean became part of Canadian National's network in 1919 and changed hands again in 1978 when VIA was formed. During its 100 years of service, it has not only remained a vital link but a source of pride and progress for communities along its route. And it has played a crucial role during the two World Wars, transporting troops to the Port of Halifax and bringing them home victorious. The Ocean has also often served as a flagship for new railway equipment and technology throughout its history. Through the years, renovations and new equipment transformed the train from one with Victorian-style wooden cars pulled by a 10-wheeler steam locomotive, to a bed and breakfast on wheels. "As the Ocean celebrates one hundred years of Maritime travel this summer, the train seems destined to continue on as an important link between the eastern provinces and central Canada well into the new century", said Keith Moulton, VIA's Regional Director, Eastern Services. On July 15, 2004, as part of a five-year capital investment program, the sprightly hundred-year-old Ocean will make its inaugural run as Canada's newest train. The modern Renaissance equipment includes spacious coach cars, sleeping cars featuring bedrooms with individual showers, service cars with a lounge area and a brand new dining car designed specifically for the Ocean. VIA Rail Canada is the national passenger rail service. VIA transports some four million passengers per year, connecting over 450 communities from coast to coast. Its operations contribute significantly to the tourism sector, generating significant tourism spending throughout Canada. (The preceding release was issued by VIA Rail Canada on Saturday, July 3, 2004.)
QUOTE: Enclosed you will find copies of VIA Rail ticket receipts for two complete round trips along the entire route of the Ocean from May 5th through the 12th. These are provided only to assure you of the authenticity of our travel. All trips were aboard the Budd stainless steel equipment - our preference. My thoughts regarding VIA Rail and the use of Renaissance equipment on the Ocean between Montreal and Halifax have been documented in past correspondence. However, there are now some issues that I feel should be brought to your attention. (1) Replacing the Budd stainless steel cars with Renaissance equipment will eliminate people such as my wife and I from future travel with you. We did not hear ONE favorable comment from any of the people with whom we spoke regarding your "Euro" train during our recent trips aboard the Ocean. Some were in possession of only anecdotal information, whereas others (such as myself) have travelled aboard them. If what we heard is any indication of the acceptance level of your Renaissance cars, my guess is that it is low. (2) VIA Rail's revision of Easterly Class (June 1st - October 31st) equipment and services will not change our minds insofar as future travel aboard the Ocean is concerned. We most certainly are not interested in having a "Learning Coordinator" intrude on what we have always felt is a personal and private enjoyment of the passing world around us while sitting in the Park Car's dome. Perhaps others may require such "learning," but to turn the Ocean's Park Car into something like a tourist train is a travesty of the 100 plus years of Ocean history and service. Additionally, with just one dome car for the entire train, I can well imagine how crowded that area will be, thereby perhaps eliminating some from the enjoyment of it all. (3) Without a full service Dining Car (with traditional meal preparation), Dome Cars, and bedroom accommodations that provide for reasonable stowage of suitcases for two travellers, Renaissance falls far short of what we have grown to expect during our trips to Halifax. Those "Chunnel chuggers" were not designed for long distance travel nor have they been made to accommodate the full needs of the traveling public. In my opinion, the best Renaissance cars are the Coaches, with comfortable seating and large windows. The Dining Car is well appointed, but the food preparation (previously documented) was very disappointing. The so called Service Cars are hardly the equal of the community and lounge areas of the Park and Skyline cars. (4) The elimination of the Continental Breakfast for Easterly Class passengers during the trips of May 5th - 8th - 9th and 11th was a disappointment and one that we were unprepared for. As early risers, a light pre-breakfast in the Park Car has ALWAYS been something we have enjoyed over the 15 years of travelling that route. It appears that there is nothing special regarding off season Easterly Class anymore - even though the fares keep rising. (5) The elimination of a full breakfast in the Budd Dining Car on the westbound journeys of May 9th and 12th to Montreal was also disappointing and not at all understood. Those breakfasts have been served for decades and apparently with little or no difficulty on the part of your dining car staffs. This "getaway" breakfast aboard the train was something we always enjoyed - but apparently never to be again. (6) The reduction to two entrees in the Budd Dining Car's evening menu along with no chowder (or any soup) was really surprising. Again, over the years, we have always looked forward to the splendid and varied menu selections aboard the Ocean. How disappointing. It is with a sense of profound sadness that we bid adieu to VIA Rail's Ocean in favor of airline travel to Halifax for visits with family and friends. We will miss "you" very much and are heartened only in the knowledge that we have our memories and many, many photographs to keep them alive.
QUOTE: Thank you for your letter of May 30, 2005 and for sharing your views on our Renaissance equipment as well as on the new Easterly Class. We do appreciate feedback from an experienced travler such as you. I understand your desire for VIA to retain its vintage stainless steel equipment on the Montreal - Halifax route, as it is part of Canada's rich passenger rail history. It is unfortunately not an option as the acquisition of our new Renaissance equipment represents for VIA the opportunity to modernize its services and address, amongst many things, the need of a growing tourism market. Your comments concerning your recent May trips and our new Easterly Service introduced in early June are noted. I would like to mention tht the redesigning of our Eastern Canada service became essential for VIA in light of the increasing compettion from other modes of transportation such as airline discount carriers. After extensive research and consultation it became obvious that success for VIA in maintaining its current level of service would happen by developing products which would cater to the tourism market and by the same token contribute to Eastern Canada's economy. We are in fact duplicating to some extent the service levels which, I understand, you have personally experienced on the Canadian between Vancouver and Toronto. [Note: two complete round trips] Many of the service elements mentioned in your letter have actually been addressed within the scope of our new Easterly project. For example, those travelling in Easterly class will be porvided an all inclusive enhanced meal service, which has been redesigned by our Executive Chef. The addition of a Park Car combined with the introduction of a Learning Coordinator with a focus on the Maritime learning experience has proven to be a success since its introduction on June 1st. I understand your concerns about providing sufficient access to the Dome car and of the potential intrusion by the Learning Coordinator for those passengers who prefer a more private enjoyment. I would like to assure you that we will endeavor to exceed the expectations of our passengers and to that end will monitor very closely the service delivery of our new Easterly class service. Thank you again for writing and your genuine interests in VIA's services.
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 13:43:53 Please note new "User name:" Theodorebear. A euphemism for "teddy bear" which I loathe and despise as a "nick name," small wonder, eh? Ignore the "real" time frame as I wrote this message earlier this a.m. but couldn't "Send" until now. Mornin' Cindy, please, a cup of "Joe," 2 poached over a toasted English and Prosciutto on the "side." I guess its too soon for those delicious Texas Musk Melons? Instead, I'll have a "split" of that Wal-Mart wine Rob told me about..."*** du Pays." Hi folks, hope all had a good, family style Father's Day and maybe a "token" rememberance along a R.R. motif? Chris, I know its tough now but think of the fun you guys will have making up for lost time. Oh, and if any of the "Candy Stripers" give you a hard time, tell 'em Tom will bring Juneau and I (my Cat) Minnie the Moocher to hospital. The Place will never be the same. I just hope 'Neau doesn't catch-up with Minnie! She’s a pretty agile feline since her Karate lessons. [;)] Passengerfan Al, 312 Streaminers? I hope "Word Perfect" is ready for that. I don't want to impede your progress but when you find time could you pass along the names of the Frisco (St Louis & San Fransisco R.R.) Trains between Tulsa and K.C., Mo and St. Louis, Mo? "C.R.S." has "shorted out" my memory for those trains which I rode in the 40's and 50's. I haven't found much on the "Net." [V] Please know that I am awaiting your published version with bated breath. Maybe, I could buy from you with your signature? Nothing beats a first edition with the Author's autograph. "Keep on Chuffin'" [^] Oh, here's Tom. Hope the appointment went well? Please don't tell me they "waved the wand!" That's s.o.p. at V.A. hospitals for "the over 50 lot," hereabouts. "Death by a thousand cuts" is less demeaning. While I have your ear Tom, I was referring to a photo of the Boris accommodations behind "Our" Place. However, Nick's [C=:-)] multi talents, I'm sure, will not disappoint. Blimey, this guy does everything up to and including veterinary care for his Assistant. San Fransisco would make a fantastic venue for some future "Rendezvous." [^] Let's make reservations for Giardelli's (Sp.?) and a rail "run-out" to San Louis Obispo (should be spelled Obesepo, or Obistros}[;)] The only thing better would be Heathrow and a "crack" at British Rail and "Pub Grub;" think I'll pass on the blood pudding though. [dinner] . Right, who stole the light bulb from the men's loo? [:(!] Last night, I noticed Boris' shed was dark. Maybe, he was out celebrating with the "coven," or....you get the idea!! Oh well, he may be a [alien] but he's our [alien]. I want to catch the "Circus Train" docu. on P.B.S., so I must shuffle off for now. Be well and happy, so long for now. Ted
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 14:56:06 Ted [?]Teddy Bear [?] Good grief, it gets worse [tdn] What in the world have you gotten into [?] Been nipping some of Boris' private stock Geesh. Why would anyone select a name they don't like And what in the world was wrong with Ted [?] Perhaps the answer(s) should be saved for our Rendezvous in Toronto 2006 [swg] Look, Cindy is having a difficult enough time trying to manage things in my absence without sweating over poaching eggs and finding out whether we even have Porsciutto or not. We have a light breakfast 'round here. That means, nothing fancy - a couple of eggs, bacon, ham slice perhaps, and taters, maybe. Toast of course and lotsa hot Joe. Oh yeah - can't forget the bakery goods from the Mentor Village Bakery. Poor gal, she called me on the cell and wanted to know "Just who is this [censored]....... [?]" Insofar as melons are concerned - that's personal between you and Cindy [}:)] Why am I not surprised that you have a cat named Minnie the Moocher [?] Fits .... and yes, I know the origin. Have it on a couple of CD's ...... I've NEVER been to a VA Hospital and don't plan on doing so. On active duty the USCG wound up being treated by the USPHS or any Armed Forces facility. In retirement, I go civilian - since the military facilities are virtually closed to retirees. As mentioned in the reply to your Email Nick is dealing with the matter of the shed for Boris. We used to have a name for guys like you who constantly stir the pot ..... [swg] No, no, no - not yet - San Francisco in 2007 better not get steamrolled 'round here. Let's concentrate on Toronto in 2006! Grrrrrrrrrrr - [|(] Actually, I think Wales in 2007 would be terrific! But then again ........ [;)] Light bulb in the loo [?] We have light bulbs in those places [?][X-)] Enjoy your program and see ya later! [tup] [;)] Tom
QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 16:09:16 Good afternoon ya'll. I think I will have a long neck Shiner Bock today. The closest thing to Guiness Stout I can find without paying an arm and a leg. Tom-We do NOT like the foo foo drinks. That is why I take my martinis very dry. Just having the vermuth in the same cabinet and well stoppered is enough in my marti. I always order an extra dry one with only a drop of vermuth as straight gin most bars charge and extra dollar for it. The one drop does not ruin it providing you have enough gin in the glass. Chris-Glad to hear that you are getting better by the day. You slipped a French word, "sortie", in on us. It reminded me of the first time I took my wife to Paris while I was on business there. We were staying at the Sofitel at La Defense. I was going to offices at the La Defense complex and my wife was doing the touristy things. It was a straight shot down the Metro (rubber tired ugh!) to the Arc De Triomphe and the Louvre under the Champs Elysees. I told her where to change Metro lines to get to the Tour Eiffel, but she never got there. At the Gare Arc De Triomphe all she saw were directions to the post office as all the signs said "Correspondence". I told her that meant connection, not a mail box. The next day she did got to the Tour Eiffel. Over the weekend we went to Versailles. This presented a problem as all of the RER trains instead of destinations on their signs had names. They were named after ladies and had names such as Mona, Rena, Lisa, etc. You had to know the name codes to get to your destination. Coalminer 3-Where are you in wild wonderful West Virginia. Both my wife and I graduated from West Virginia University back in the dark ages. We lived in Bridgeport for two years after graduation as I worked for Hope Natural Gas in Clarksburg. The experiences there could fill a book. I am actually putting together a monograph of my life for the benefit of my grandchildren (7) so they will know what Grand Papa did. Spent a couple of summers while in school surveying the Arkright mine that Pittsburgh Consol had outside Morgantown. Again many good stories from those summers. After a couple of small explosions and slate falls I decided that I do not want to be a coal mole and went to oil and gas engineering. Like you I have ridden on the MTA a couple of times. I think the name has changed to something else now. I read in one of the trade journals that they have a new pass that they call the "Charlie Pass" named after the Charley of Kingston Trio fame. Hope this helps him get off the train. I am sure that by now his wife is plenty tired of handing him a sandwich through the window as the train comes rumbling through. (I love folk songs and the Kingston Trio and Peter Paul and Mary are my favorites). All for now. Better get back to work. Cheers, ***
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 17:24:58 Hi *** One Shiner Bock comin' right up - long neck of course! [tup] According to the Birthday schedule, I see a July 15th (Friday) celebration is in order for YOU. Any conflicts on the horizon that would keep us from providing you with the best that "Our" Place can offer [?]You are on deck as earlydiesels Dan is at bat for THIS Friday. [swg] Tom
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 17:28:06 In for a quick "fortifyer." Just a Royal and soda please. Nick, anything with the Count Basie or Les Brown names: "be fine with mine." Failing that: Ella, Sarah, Anita O'Day, Chris Conner, June Christy, Mel torme, "Big" Joe Williams, Frank Sinatra, any of the above would be for this "Cowboy." Oh yes, any time frame for the Toronto stint is okay. As to the rest of the Summary; what can I tell ya? The "Cricus Train" docu. involved lots of vintage footage of that era. I'm not much on animal exploitation and thankfully, the focus was on railroading and logistics. I would recommend it if you have a free hour for T.V. Okay, I gotta went. Take care, and see everybody soon. TED!
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 18:51:46 Ted I recall seeing a model railroad display where a Circus train and a Circus, with tents and side shows along with an amusement area were included. It was absolutely fantastic - operating "rides" - chase lights - animations, et al. After that, anything I've seen just pales in comparison. The train livery was done up in Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey style - so my guess it was all custom stuff. I believe it was an O-gauge display. Just one of those things I've never forgotten. Ah, the joys of model railroading - can always bring back that which isn't any longer. Thanx for the PBS tip .... [tup] [;)] Tom
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 23:15:05 Good evening everyone. Ted, "n" Tom [Don't talk too loudly about the Barhnam and Baily you know our resident [alien] Boris was raised by them(hense the ceiling mounted bars in his shed)We wouldn't want to get Boris' preassure up,lord knows what that would do to Nicks [:O] Tom Your message was recieved and something should now be in you "in box" Once everyone who's "rendesvousing" next May decide upon a date. I would like to know what type of activities you would like either mail myself or Tom and he'll certainly get them to me. Happy training tonight everyone. Rob
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 13:13:34 Happy fathers day to all and a special fathers day wi***o Chris. Hope everything continues to do well and you get out on Tuesday. Hospitals are no fun any time. Well have plans for the day and they are not rail related unfortunately. Have a nice day all and will be back tomorrow.
QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 19:39:51 A toast to all parents and children,-Lets take a drink to celebrate the living, then take another to honour the dead. Happy fathers day everyone, CHRIS -I hope the day came together for you and progress continues. TOM-photo evidence of Boris` abode forthcoming, as will be pic of Saskia, the N. Inuit doggie I mentioned some time back-she might make a pin up for Juneau.............. Apologies for ranting last night, Boris` spare apron was hanging over staff refreshments and with the waxing moon our pet science project is becoming easily distracted and proportionately less useful. Have an idea for party on Friday-film night.....At a mutually agreed time, we sit down with a few beers and plenty of junk food, watch either our own choice or a customer poll favourite train-related film then check in afterwards to swap notes-given our varying tastes in music I`ll hook my P.A.system up to the juke, that way everybody gets to leap about to their favourites. If DAN would like to let me know his 3 favourite dishes, We`ll make them the specials for the night. Boris has asked for the evening off, apparently his extended clan traditionally gather at the summit of Mentor Mountain on Midsummer`s Night for the renewing of blood-oaths, feuds, interest free loans, hex`s on unbelievers, and what are we going to do about Great-Aunt Irena. Given the chaos and anarchy he caused last time we partied, I felt the opportunity to good to miss, so will require Cindy in the kitchen for the duration [}:)] apologies in advance if food service intermittent [swg] Just run off a few test prints from photo shoot-interesting seeing my model in the same medium as all the other layouts I see-far easier to identify areas for improvement, beyond those I`ve already got in mind, bedtime here, be good chaps, speak soon nick [C=:-)]
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 20:57:45 Bobfarkus You are absolutely right about rivet counting and I assure you this book will just list the streamliners dates they entered service and consists listed where known and a brief paragraph about the train and thats it. The forward like I said will be only ten pages and explains what constitutes a streamliner. I will do a count for you on the number of streamliners It is actually a staggering figure. I realize It will have to be split and you are probably about right where to split it.
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 21:28:04 Bobfarkus I have come up with 312 streamliners in my book and it will probably around 275 pages total without pictures. Passengerfan
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 23:23:07 Sorry Tom meant no offence the other day. It's been a busy weekend Friday at dad's today work then to Heather's folks for a father's day BBQ. I'll happily share a pint or two with you tonight while you sort the bath tub into more easy to use piles of money. -------------------- QUOTE: Did I tell you all that the historical demonstration railroad we're involved with received 2 new to us coaches last fall? They were built 1936-7 by National Steel Car and finished in the Angus shops for the trains pulled by the Jubilee 4-4-4 engines. We got the cars painted for Ontario Northland but we will paint them Pullman green eventually. They are in great shape, ride well, but those 4 wheel trucks sure are funny looking! ---------------------- If these are the cars I'm thinking of, they spent some time on the Go transit when they first started up. ONR received them third hand, somewhere or time they were rebuilt with those wonderful Dofasco trucks, which were supposed to make them ride better (faster in commuter service) ONR and Go both take pride in their equipment(both are gov funded) so repairs and general maintenance were always high on the priority list (read cheaper than building / buying new cars) Passenger Al I finally remembered to look up the car numbers for the Algoma centrals dome cars. The ex Western Pacific car was number 813 on the WP this is a Budd built car. The other one is ex UP 9001 an ACF built product. They have a third which was an ex CN but I can't find info on it. It's not run so I'm assuming it's spare parts for the other two. Sorry it took me so long to remember this info. Ted I have a great want to visit SF perhaps that can be our next Our Place tour de force. I know that next may several of our museum guy's are headed down there to ride the PCC's We may even sell one or two of our extra's to them. Well it's late and I've 4 more strait to work before a day of so, I will catch you guy's( n' gals ) later .BTW happy father's day again to all in that profession. Rob
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