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[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

A rather spring like day here in mid-Continent USA - temps are in mid 50s (F), slight breeze, just nice outside. Petrol up at "Collusion Corner" is still holding at $1.97 (rounded) wonder of wonders! Who wudda ever thunk anyone would be happy at that price, eh[?] Compared to those living in Canada and GB, we're very, very fortunate - so far.

In the "THOUGHT YOU'D WANT TO KNOW DEPT." - I did a check on a few names of guys who we have honored with Permanent Stool Status and Birthday Bashes - just to see if they are still active on the Forums. CFournier Chris Posted last on 16 Jan 2006 and wrwatkins *** is Posting regularly. So, that should put an end to any speculation about either. The former many of us worried about regarding his health and the latter claimed he has been too busy. FIne. Adios to both! RIP. That puts an end to that.

Been an interesting day at the bar and it's nice to see some "life" in the place, side from Boris Tex and Awk

A nice mid-day visit from Trainnut484 Russell[tup] along with "reports" from LoveDomes Lars 'n BudKarr BK[tup] Time to ring the bell, Boris a round on the house from BK's Sack 'o Cash![swg]

What in the world can anyone say with regard to the ongoing saga put forth by Lars[?] This is the world upside down, fer sure, fer sure. I think you MUST cover your posterior, big time, and by all means prepare yourself for some encounters with the legal beagles. Sad and sorry state of affairs. Wi***here was something we could do for you - but about all that can be offered is the knowledge that we'll be here for ya![tup]

BK You are making me extremely envious of your situation up there in the mountains! Actually, it really sounds terrific and I hope it all continues that way for the two of you.

Your comments regarding VIA Rail are "right on" as far as I'm concerned. Fortunately, they are not in the deep muck that Amtrak finds itself in, but one day surely could be if the politicians have their way. They fly the planes from place to place, is my guess, and of course on the taxpayers dime. Perhaps if we insisted that any and all government travel be REQUIRED to be by rail in both countries, we'd see some fast moving changes. Whadyathink about that idea[?][swg]

Glad that the three of you enjoyed the TGV piece(s)! I'll try to keep things movin' with some Euro and Canadian stuff on alternating weeks. These things are very, very labor intensive and requires far more time than my other ideas took (Fallen Flags & Nostalgia). Well, as long as the guys are enjoying 'em - that's what matters, eh[?]

Okay boyz - belly up to the bar and check out the menu while you're at it. Remember, tonight is Fish 'n Chips Nite! - and sorry, I haven't a clue whether we'll be seeing Nick the Chief Chef [C=:-)]either now or in the immediate future. Still no word.

Later![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of the usual and a round for all on this busy day at the bar[tup]. Who is the [C=:-)] for tonights Fish and Chip[dinner][?]. As long as it is not BORIS I'll have some.

LARS I DO hope they start the work and ALL this becomes just a bad memory real soon. Dont let the [censored] get you down.

BK. Sounds a great place where you are[yeah]. I knew very little about N. American railroads before visiting Our Place and I am still amazed at the knowledge posted here.
And if I may I would like to add my thanks to yours for Toms hard work on the web.

DOUG Thanks for the SP and the cab-forward post, great photo of the roundhouse.
Were the rails relaid at Promontary Point after the war [?]. It must be one of the most important sites in N.American history and it would be a pity if trains no longer run there.

ROB.Did the locobuilders build ther own diesel engines and generators or did they have to rely on outside suppliers [?].

AL Good post on the City Of Denver and CM3 "s extra info [tup].

TED ALWAYS great to see you[tup]. Looking forward to more pics of the layout. Glad you liked the U.K. pics, a mate from there is getting some on disc and says he will e-mail some and I can put them on Our Place. I will tie up with Tom when they arrive.

TOM The Misses showed me the local paper with the de-railment in., lucky no one was hurt. It seems it happened at 10 30 am. I dont know how long the line was blocked.

Excellent TGV piece I have learnt a lot from it and it has prompted some lively replies in the bar. The French goverment deserve credit, at least in this matter, putting the money into a brand new line and equipment when a lot of the world was turning its back on railways. Although it was a shame the new link in England to the Channel Tunnel was not built at the same time as the French line. At least it should be complete in 2007.

Another thing that struck me was the safety record of the new lines. The serious accidents being on old lines involving grade crossings. I know a lot of money has been spent in England on eliminating 3 of these crossings on the line between Coventry to Birmingham but I'm afraid that its the only way to go on high speed lines.
I suppose as well a new line allows for more frieght paths on the original lines as well. In the U.K although the frieght trains have got faster the speed DIFFERENTIAL between them and the passenger trains has remained the same since steam days(50-65 MPH).

The computer seems to be behaving it self at the minute although the operator is having problems, managed to delete an earlier attempt. Oh well when the wife fixes the puter does it really have to be tested by buying clothes on the net [?][%-)][:)] PETE.

[siberianmo]

Hi Pete

Thought that was you![tup] Before I completely forget, here's a URL that I've had for ya, but neglected to pass along:

http://s88932719.onlinehome.us/english.htm

I think you'll get a kick out of it![swg]

Appreciate the kind words and info regard the TGVs.[tup][tup]

Stick around and enjoy the brew on BK![swg]

Appears your computer problems have either been resolved or things aren't quite as bad today as before, eh[?] Ooooooooops, didn't catch that last line of yours! Better hope she doesn't![swg]

Getting close to time for us to take our 3rd Amtrak trip[?] Drop me an [i[Email[/i] when you're ready.

Gotta get going - I'm Chef [C=:-)] tonight![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon,hope some of the fish and chips are left,I think I need a nice big Kieth's as well.

Tom kudo's sir [tup][tup][tup][tup] Like Lars said a four thumbs up for the TGV info fer sure fer sure ! I'm not suprised at the AC/DC systems to keep everything happy as far as power country to country. Speaking of which isn't it amazing that 5 major countries . UK / France ,Belgium, Germany. and the Netherlands all have cooperated to point on building a proper and functional rail travel system. Makes one green not with envy just green that our two countries absolutly can't get it right.

On another note I've noticed Chris and *** elseware as well your right too bad but we shall move on to bigger and better things.

On another note, I'm still a hockey fan reguardless of the olympic outcomes. At least for us one out of two ain't bad [tup][^] Just goes to show how parody is starting to hit the world hockey scene. 2010 in Vancouver should be interesting.
Lars I can't believe that this comendy of errors is still ongoing, I think Pete and BK are right I don't think they have a leg to stand on, who knows your retainer may be able to get more out of them. Unmittigated gaul them asking for that money back though [tdn] just bad business , they screwed up they need to make it right, sometimes companies just have to eat it. I imagine that your cheque writer will likely be out of a job once the dust settles unfortunatly. here's hopping the weather holds and the work gets done and as Pete said your lives can get back to normal.

Bk Your observations on the Lack of proper leadership Ottawa wise is right on target, in as much as VIA and rail infrastructure goes,it's always cut cut cut. I would think that putting money into such things would be a sound investment,given the length and breadth of the country, the railway does truly bind us together.

Pete To answerv your question, most of the big manufacturers built their own engines, the electrical end traction motors, and generators wer generally bought from either GE or Westinghouse along with the air brake components.

Ted Heeeeee's Baaack ! Good to hear from you, I hope that you aren't typing your fingers raw. All is well with Heather and the layout move-was partially her idea anyway,she grew up around trains and a model railroader so that help's in my case. Not to worry either I can here the trolley bells in may already-and the subway chimes !

CM3 I too suffered through many an oddball vehicle purchased by my parents over the yeasr. A chev Vega,and a really old volvo come to mind that both sounded and road like tanks-with little warmth in winter and plenty of heat in their non-airconditioned,vinal interiors. I bug my dad about them to this day as well.

I had spent many a day at Fort Niagara myself, I wirked two summers as an interpreter at Fort George in Niagara on the Lake as well, funs summers, i would like to have made a career of it.

Well folks have a pleasant evening

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Another one from the Classic roundhouse !

CLASSIC DIESELS #3 DIESEL MFG PART 2


FM

Fairbanks- Morse, of Beloit Wis. started out as a maine diesle engine builder for military and commersial use. they used the unconventional opposed piston engines to give some of the biggest bang for the buck hp when they entered the locomotive business. They produced engines from 1944 tto 1963 and are attributed to starting the high horsepower race out with the 2400 hp trainmaster of the late 50's. CLC built their designs in Canada for Canadian railways.A late entrant in the loco field, they had a tough hill to climb to overcome the frontrunners GM and Alco, the OP engines never did live up to all their potential in a "landbased" aplication

EMC

Electro-Motive Corporation was formed in 1924 to design and sell gasoline powered railcars. It was purchased by General Motors in 1930 and merged with Winton engines in 1941 to form the Electro-Motive Division. Most famously known for their doodlebugs,savior of branchline passenger trains till the RDC's emerged from Budd.


EMD

Electro- Motive Division, General Motors corp La grange ILL. this was created by the EMC/Winton merger of 1941 both GM subsidiaries. They introduced mass production techniques to the manufactuire of diesel locomotives.Early hits with the FT and subsequant F and E series cabs abd the ubiquitous GP and SD series of locomotives in the 40's and 50's spelt the deathnell for the steam locomotive. They became the number one diesel loco manufacturer in NA

GMD

General Motors Diesel LTD, later Diesel Division of General Motors Canada. Located in London Ontario, due to back ups in diesel orders and tariff reasons this company was started up in the early 50's to produce GM designs for the Canadian railways.In resent years all EMD production for NA and the world has been moved to this facility.

LIMA

Lima-Hamilton, Lima Locomotive works, Lima Ohio, was a major steam locomotive builder. It merged with general machinery corp of Hamilton Ohio in 1947 and from 1949-1951 produced a line of switchers and roadswitchers under the Lima-Hamilton name. In 1950 the company merged with Baldwin. Know for their heavy transfer center cab switchers.

MLW

Montreal Locomotive Works, Montreal PQ this was Alco's candian subsidiary producing steam and diesel engines of Alco design for the Canadian railway's.They continued building Alco 251 engines and locomotives after parent Alco went bankrupt. Bombardier purchased them and the engine designs in 1975 and continued to produce diesel locomotives, ceasing locomotive production in 1985.

GE

General Electric of Erie Pa.They originally began producing the electrical components for Alco diesels, an dfrom 1940-1953 jointly marketed the line as Alco-GE diesels. In edition GE built electric locomotives and an extensive line of small switchers. 44t,70t.100t etc.In 1960 GE introduced the U25B, a 2500 hp hood unit to directly compete with EMD and Alco,and within 3 yeasr became the number two locomotive company with their highly successful "U" series. today they are the number one company having leapfrogged EMD in the mid 90's.


Rob

[siberianmo]

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FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Friday at last! Start the day right here with a hot cuppa freshly brewed “Joe,” a little something from The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case topped off with an order from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast. Sounds good, eh[?][tup]


NAME THE two CASH REGISTERS!

. . . . from Pete “Tilla the Hun”
. . . . from Russell “Pink Floyd”
. . . . from Doug “Johnny Cash”
. . . . from CM3 “Tom’s Totaler” & “The Vulture’s Vault”
. . . . from BK “Justin Cash” & “Winsome Cash”
. . . . from Rob “The Cashinator”
Selections to be made later today!


Daily Wisdom

When asked if he wanted his pizza sliced into 4 or 8 pieces. He said, “Four, I don’t think I can eat eight.” Appropriate for Pizza Nite, eh[?][swg]
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Northern Pacific (NP) arrives next Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 05:22:36 (255) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 05:27:20 (255) Railways of Europe #3 – TGV of France, Part I

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 06:55:49 (255) Streamliner #66 – C&NW City of Denver

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 08:17:14 (255) Ted Speaks!

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 08:21:58 (255) Railways of Europe #3- TGV of France, Part II

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 08:37:49 (255) etc.

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 08:38:03 (255) Inclusive & Informative Post!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 09:21:35 (255) Acknowledgments, etc.

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 11:27:16 (255) Railways of Europe #3 – TGV of France, Part III

(10) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 11:56:39 (255) Inclusive Post

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 13:37:34 (255) The Lars Report!

(12) BudKarr BK Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 13:59:42 (255) The BK Report!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 15:33:18 (255) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) pwolfe Pete Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 16:40:00 (256) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 16:54:52 (256) reply to pwolfe

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Feb 2006, 23:39:02 (256) Inclusive Post, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 00:08:50 (256) Classic Diesels #3



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 19th thru 25th: Fahrenheit 451 (1966) starring: Oskar Werner, Julie Christie & Cyril Cusack – and – Northwest Frontier (1959) starring: Kenneth More, Lauren Bacall & Herbert Lom.

Coming Attractions:

. . . Sunday, February 26th thru March 4th: Fours a Crowd (1938) starring: Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland & Rosalind Russell – and – Holiday Affair (1949) starring: Robert Mitchum, Janet Leigh & Wendell Corey.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery

Tom Great series on the TGV trains of France. Copied it to add to my reference files.

Doug Your addendum to the SP will also be copied and added to my reference files.

Rob the builders was much appreciated.

Lars Dealing with insurance companies is anything but fun. Recently the local police was patting themselves on the back for reducing Car theft by 18% in the last year. At the same time violent crime climbed 23% so I pointed out in a newspaper article sounds like the police are pandering to the insurance companie. Good Luck dealing with that bunch.

Peter have really enjoyed your input on the British rail additions. Keep up the input it helps me understand what is going on in that part of the world compared to North America.

Rob Think that you must have files as thick as mine just hope you have more room to store it all.

Rick Last nights Fish and Chips was superb as always. Sorry I did not recognise the wine?

BK That is truly a beautiful area you have deceided to retire in. Reminds me of being on the Super Continental eastbound one Super Bowl Sunday years ago and had to get off the train in Jasper and take the following days Super Continental just to watch Roger Staubach and the Dallas Cowboys win a Super Bowl.

I am running way behind catching up on the forum items, tax season especially busy this year. Company decided to give me Sundays off but said don't venture to far from the home computer.

PASSENGERFAN ALS STREAMLINER CORNER #67

FLORIDA SPECIAL PRR – RF&P – ACL – FEC Trains 87-88 December 16, 1949 New York – Miami Winter only All Pullman daily 1,386.2 miles each way 24 hours

The beginning of the 1949-50 winter season marked the beginning of the all Pullman FLORIDA SPECIAL becoming the first and only all Pullman train to become streamlined between New York City and Miami beginning December 16, 1949. The new train was assigned stainless steel equipment wherever possible but due to the length of the FLORIDA SPECIAL and a shortage of ACL owned lightweight sleeping cars, the FLORIDA SPECIAL turned to the Pullman pool for additional lightweight streamlined sleeping cars. Thanks to the Pullman pool arrangement the ACL was able to operate the FLORIDA SPECIAL in as many as three sections daily during the peak winter travel periods. Each of these sections were assigned eleven lightweight streamlined sleeping cars, two lightweight Sleeper Lounge cars, and the ACL supplying two Dining cars per consist. The FLORIDA SPECIAL required four sets of equipment to provide daily service in each direction with scheduled running time 24 hours 50 minutes in either direction. The FLORIDA SPECIAL was one of the finest means to escape from winter’s grip on the Northeastern United States to the warmth and sunshine of Florida. The FLORIDA SPECIAL was the only lightweight streamlined all Pullman train in United States that was never permanently assigned lightweight streamlined Observations. Several Observations did operate at different times in the FLORIDA SPECIAL but these were owned by the PRR and other roads. The winter only FLORIDA SPECIAL was the most prestigious all Pullman train between New York City and Florida and the only one to become fully streamlined.

CONSIST ONE

2004 Baggage 26-Crew Dormitory Car

BERKLEY COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

8345 CHESTER COUNTY (PRR) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom sleeping Car

ALACHUA COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

COLLETON COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

DUVAL COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

TALLEDAGA 36- Seat Dining Car

PONTE VEDRA BEACH 6-Double Bedroom Buffet 24- Seat Lounge Car

COLONIAL BEACH (RF&P) 6-Double Bedroom Buffet 24- Seat Lounge Car

TARBORO 36- Seat Dining Car

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

EDISTO ISLAND 21-Roomette Sleeping Car

SUWANEE RIVER 14-Roomette 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

OGEECHEE RIVER 14-Roomette 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

HARNETT COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

ST. SIMONS ISLAND 21-Roomette Sleeping Car

SUMTER COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CONSIST TWO

2005 Baggage 26-Crew Dormitory Car

NASSAU COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GLYNN COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

NASH COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

8346 BALTIMORE COUNTY (PRR) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

HAVANA (FEC) 10-Roomette 6- Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

MOULTRIE 36- Seat Dining Car

MAGNOLIA (FEC) 6-Double Bedroom Buffet 24- Seat Lounge Car

MYRTLE BEACH 6-Double Bedroom Buffet 24- Seat Lounge Car

PLANT CITY 36- Seat Dining Car

EDGECOMBE COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

PARRIS ISLAND 21-Roomette Sleeping Car

PANAMA (FEC) 14-Roomette 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

ANACOSTIA RIVER 14-Roomette 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

NORTHAMPTON COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

8299 STATEN ISLAND (PRR) 21-Roomette Sleeping Car

PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CONSIST THREE

2006 Baggage 26-Crew Dormitory Car

COLUMBIA (FEC) 10-Roomette 6-5Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

POLK COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

HANOVER COUNTY (RF&P) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

MARION COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CAPARRA (FEC) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

HENRICO (RF&P) 36- Seat Dining Car

SEA ISLAND BEACH 6-Double Bedroom Buffet 24- Seat Lounge Car

VIRGINIA BEACH 6-Double Bedroom Buffet 24- Seat Lounge Car

LA GRANGE 36- Seat Dining Car

PUTNAM COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

8298 GOVERNORS ISLAND (PRR) 21-Roomette Sleeping Car

CAPE FEAR RIVER 14-Roomette 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

FAIRFAX RIVER (RF&P) 14-Roomette 2-Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CAROLINE COUNTY (RF&P) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

ROANOKE ISLAND 21-Roomette Sleeping Car

MARION COUNTY 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

TTFN AL

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffewe, please; round for the house; we'll hand onto the $ for the jukebox for the nonce. Not much time to talk today. It's cold, so the boss says. "Let's go outside and play in the mud!"

Again, thanks for the TGV material.

LARS - Don't let 'em get to you, son - and don't let 'em get off the mat, either.

Also, thanks to all for information on different locomotive builders. IIRC, FM was involved with maritime apps long b4 they went into the locomotive business.

Per our 'steamed proprietor's request re "banana messengers, drovers, etc." Railroads wouldovide passage either free or at reduced fares to workers accompanying loads of bananas (delicate cargo), livestock (drovers) and the like. There were also reduced fare plans for people with carnivals, shows and the like. The note explains that such tickets/reduced fares would not be honored on the "City." Hope this helps.

Gotta go.

work safe

P.S. Thanks for the Florida Special material - one of my favorite trains.

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Man oh man am I ever experiencing problems with the Forums this day! Taking forever to submit a Post and when it does, I'm coming up with multiple submissions of the same thing. Strange things are happening (Red Buttons ....)[swg] Here goes again!

The exact opposite occurred last night in comparison with the night before – no one visited until rather late, and then it was one of our Charter Members, Rob with two fine Posts.[tup][tup] One never knows what things are going to be like at the Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill!

Well, I wasn’t looking for a self-fulfilling prophecy, but petrol has risen to $2.00 (rounded) up at “Collusion Corner.” Just a matter of time, eh[?] Weather report from mid-Continent USA has us expecting another mid-50s (F) day with blue skies, no precip in sight and just spring-like. However, this weekend the bottom drops out and we’re expecting to see some 20s in the mornings once again. But – NO SNOW! Argggggghhhhh![tdn]

I want to remind one and all that tomorrow is our ENCORE! Saturday which means, save those “original” Posts for Monday thru Friday, guys. Given the number of pages we’ve amassed on this Thread – it shouldn’t be difficult to find something worthy of a repeat-Posting. Just use the “advance search” option – follow the “windows” and you’ll come up with a goodie or two![swg]

To the acknowledgments:

Rob Appreciate that Classic Diesels #3 on those manufacturers – good show! Always enjoy just seeing the names and wondering what happened to all those folks who did this or that[?] Wondering also, are these really “better times”[?] There’s always a flip side though – better for some, perhaps not for others, eh[?]

When I mentioned those two former customers of ours, it was simply to put to rest some of the questions that have popped up from time to time regarding them. That’s really it. My take on it is very simplistic – no one forces anyone to join us on this Thread. We’ve had guys who simply would not “play the game,” no matter how hard many of us tried to get them involved. One way Posts, etc. No big loss. Then there have been at least two guys who we’ve really had a bit of dialogue over concerning their well being. Not like we are “Mother Hens,” but a concern for one another does develop over time when engaged in communications like ours. Anyway, with a “slug” of unanswered Emails, etc. and many Posts on this Thread directed their way – to find one of ‘em still active, but elsewhere, really is disappointing. So be it. RIP, as I said yesterday.

Regarding hockey, etc. I too am still a fan, however, I think the idea of letting the NHL “stars” hog the show stinks up the rink. Look - the gals are doing just fine with being pretty much at the amateur level. This all began, I think, with the former Soviet Union screwing up the works with trying to create something akin to a ‘super race of atheletes’ pretty much from childhood on . . . These people were taken from their homes (or consigned to the state!) and ‘developed’ to become what they became. There was no secret – they were “pro’s” by any other name. That’s where it began. Now it is out of control, in my not-so-humble opinion. It’s not just hockey either and these egg heads who make the decisions are doing as poor a job as the “visionaries” we have in government are with Amtrak and VIA Rail! <poop>

Glad you enjoyed the TGVs of France and I concur with your comments about what “could be” but isn’t over here in North America.


Al That Post of yours is the absolute finest INCLUSIVE piece you have EVER put forth on this THREAD! Congrats to passengerfan Al we KNEW you could do it!![tup][tup][tup][swg] Now, who in blankety-blank is Rick[?][?][?] Did I miss something somewhere along the line[?][%-)][%-)] Good work with your Streamliner too![tup]

So, you’re using “paper” files, eh[?] Why not back them up with some CD files too[?] You’ll obviously find that space will no longer be a problem for storage. Sure wish Kalmbach would provide CDs of their magazine archives – I’d snap up a few, fer sure, fer sure! Read somewhere on the Forums that they aren’t going to get into that aspect of it because it would involve too much work to digitize everything. Now, I don’t KNOW how they go about putting together their magazines, but my guess is that the ‘stuff’ is already digitized. Who in the world ISN’T using a computer for newspaper and magazine articles these days[?] Just a thought …..


CM3 A brief, but welcome Post from you this fine day, Sir! Doesn’t bode well for us though, as my guess is we probably won’t see you ‘til next week.

The elaborations on the “terminology” is very much appreciated. Kinda like abbreviations people throw around – everyone isn’t necessarily “in the know!”[tup]

Glad you enjoyed the TGV ….. also appreciate the round![tup] Coal Scuttle is beginning to think his/her throat has been cut![swg]


Later![tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom and the crew / gang , who ever you are. Just a quick morning pop in before I'm off to make a couple of bucks.

Tom I would like to pre order a double peperoni with pineapple please, and yes I can eat 8 pieces[;)][:D]

I wholeheartedly concur with allowing the RIP members to remain that way, sad but what can you do. I'm glad that you enjoyed the pyt 2 of the diesel builders, I have a one more to do on monday, mostly rebuilders and small industrial type loco companies.

As to the hockey, I think the professionals were allowed in to combat the exact Russian, situation you mentioned. I remember hearing an interview with Krutav a few years back. he said that they would always go on a "vacation" to the black sea six weeks before any major tournament. Suffice to say he said that they were never told what they were injected / feed with while they wre away, they were told just to take their vitamins ! [#offtopic] Boris here's money for a round later today once everyone's upto it.


Al Thanks for the Florida streamliner, makes me feel warm anyway,we have the same type of weather Tom'e experiancing right now,I imagine that we may get at least one good storm yet before all is said and done.As to files nope, reference books and some scatterd notes here and their. Storage isn't too big a problem, at the moment allot of it's in my brain,[:0] I assume that at some point I will need to write most of it down,I always have the museum's library at my disposal as well so it's all good as they say.[:p][:D]

CM3 Glad you enjoyed the diesel series as well, [8D]you are right of coarse FM was a major player in subarmine and smallwarship / tubboat diesels as well as lake frieghter engines in later years. They must have been or still are around in the maritime instance, because several Algoma Central marine lake freighters which were built in the late 70's early 80's have FM power plants.

Well folks works a calling, I'll catch up with you all later.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Greetings Rob!

My guess is you'll be one of a "few" frequenting the bar this AM and perhaps into the PM as well. Nevetheless, always happy to serve you at the bar and your "round" will await the entry of some customers![swg]

I was thinking of starting an RIP Club but changed my mind. The ones mentioned aren't around, so what's the point, eh[?] Anyway, we do have "The Legion of the Lost!"<grin>

There are a couple of others still "out there" that I haven't mentioned, but they really never got on board with us either. I blew it with having one of 'em get into the Stools - shudda known better.

As I look at the continuing nature of this Thread of ours, I'd say we "done good" over the months that have transpired. We're on page 256 - we've had a "slug" of Posts - sure a lot of 'em are my own - but the idea is to keep the ship afloat - and we're doing that, even the RIP guys had a hand in it.[tup]

Looks like we're going to put together a rail trip in late May, early June. Right now, we're seriously thinking about the Empire Builder to Portland, OR - stay a few days - then take the Coast Starlight down to Sacramento to connect with the California Zephyr for the return trip to Chicago, where it will all begin. Just have a few loose ends to tie up before springing loose the cash.

As I had told you by Email we have pretty much given up on VIA Rail to Halifax this year - awful prices, awful what they've done to "my Ocean," and ever more awful that they don't give a Rat's Patoot! That ends a 15 or 16 year "run" for us. <sad>

It's also way to late to book another trip on the "Canadian," as those bedrooms (double/triple) have been long sold out for the three days a week (each way) that they run that train. Another area to expound upon - why NOT run the blankety-blank train more often[?] It makes money, so what's the problem[?] CN has already provided the 'windows' for track use - it's simply one of those decisions that we all scratch our collective heads over - never really does make sense. Such is life.

So, we'll wind up with a total of 5 nights in a double bedroom aboard trains that have sightseer lounge cars and nicely appointed diners. The scenery should be something to keep us captivated and spending time in Portland ain't so bad either. All in all, this is looking like a good way for us to celebrate our 15th Anniversary. The worst part will be the airlines - their fares - the crap one puts up with these days - and just getting to and from Chicago without blowing my few remaining fuses![swg]

Okay, looks like I've said enough for awhile.

Catch y'all later![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #70

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Canadian National Railways (CNR) from a 1933 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE VACATION YOU’VE DREAMED OF COSTS LESS THAN EVER THIS YEAR IF YOU SPEND IT IN CANADA

JASPER PARK

. . . . . . . . . . in the . . . . . . . . . .

CANADIAN ROCKIES

Here’s a vacation of a thousand thrills: Maligne lake whose waters offer the finest brook trout fishing on this continent and mirror mountain scenes of almost incredible beauty! The famous drive to Mt. Edith Cavell with its dazzling Angel Glacier . . . The Pocahontas Highway where mountain sheep and goats, deer and black bears often pose for camera hunters . . . Golf on a championship course with breath-taking views from every fairway. Swimming in a warmed outdoor pool . . . tennis . . . trail riding . . . mountain-climbing with Swiss guides.

The friendly hospitality of Jasper Park Lodge is as much a part of this perfect vacation as the mountains themselves. Luxurious accommodations. Perfect food. Rates from $7.00 a day, Canadian funds, for room and meals (10% discounts for two weeks or more). Season June 1- September 23. Booklets, travel films and all information from any office below.

1933 SPORTING EVENTS
Riding, swimming, hiking, mountain climbing with Swiss guides and every vacation sport. July 1 – the Rodeo. September 2-9 – Totem Pole Golf Tournament.

CANADIAN NATIONAL

To Everywhere in Canada

BOSTON . . . . . . . . . . . . KANSAS CITY . . . . . PORTLAND, Me.
186 Tremont St. . . . . . . . 705 Walnut St. . . . . . Grand Trunk Ry Sta.

BUFFALO . . . . . . . . . . . LOS ANGELES . . . . . St. LOUIS
420 Main St. . . . . . . . . . .607 So Grand Ave. . . .314 No Broadway

CHICAGO. . . . . . . . . . . . MINNEAPOLIS . . . . . St. PAUL
4 So.Michigan Blvd.. . . . . 654 Marquette Ave. . . 83 East Fifth St.

CINCINNATI . . . . . . . . . . NEW YORK . . . . . . . .SAN FRANCISCO
49 E. Fourth St.. . . . . . . . 673 Fifth Ave.. . . . . . . 648 Market St.

DETROIT. . . . . . . . . . . . . PHILADELPHIA. . . . . SEATTLE
1524 Washington Blvd.. . . 1422 Chestnut St... . . 1329 Fourth St.

DULUTH . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PITTSBURGH . . . . . .Washington, D.C.
428 W Superior St. . . . . . . 355 Fifth Ave. . . . . . .15th & H Sts. NW

. . . . . . . . . . LONDON, Eng. . . . . . . . . . PARIS, France
. . . . . . . . . . 17-19 Cockspur St. . . . . . . 1 rue Scribe


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and friends! Another busy has come to an end, and I have returned for my bottomless draught and to shake the Michigan quarters out of my pockets. Please accept a round on me, and someone please turn up the noise!

Tom, what an incredible series of posts on the TGV! Very informative and really great pics!. Thanks for putting in the time to post the series here! Enjoyed your CNR add too.

Al, liked your City of Dennver and Florida Special streamliners. You really do a great job of reporting just about all anyone can know about the various consists. Thanks!

Peter, I didn't really know what happened to "Promontary Point" after its rails were snatched to accomodate the military, so I found a timeine of information that should answer your question:

April 9, 1869: Representatives of both the Union and Central Pacific Railroads are forced by the government into a meeting to determine the meeting point, or terminus, of the two lines. Promontory Summit, half way between the two companies' end of track, was decided.

April 28, 1869: The Central Pacific completes 10 miles of track in one day - a record that remains unbroken to this day!

May 10, 1869: The "Wedding of the Rails!" Many of the journalist of the day recount the events of the ceremony and record the event as happening at Promontory Point - when actually the rails were joined and the ceremony held at Promontory Summit - 35 miles away. As a result of this inaccurate reporting, most people today, more than a century later, still believe the rails were joined at Promontory Point, as this falsehood is repeated by the media, printed on postcards, souvenirs, in several articles, and even textbooks, and prsented in history class lectures.

December 1, 1869: The terminus of the two lines is moved from Pomontory to Ogden, and Promontory became just another whistle stop along the railway.

1903: The Union Pacific locomotive "119" is sold to scrappers for $1,000.

1904: The line from Ogden north of the Great Salt Lake through Promontory and west to Lucin becomes a secondary line as the "Lucin Cut Off", a combination trestle and rock fill causeway across the lake, becomes the main line. This new route shortens the line by 45 miles, avoids the climb through the Promontory Pass, and saves the company $60,000 a month in operational costs.

1909: The original Central Pacific locomotive "Jupiter" is sold to scrappers, also for $1,000.

May 10, 1919: The 50th Anniversary of the Golden Spike Ceremony. The town of Promontory was ready to host a grand celebration, yet not a soul appeared. Local newspaper had planned a great excursion and celebration. However, once they discovered the "Wedding of the Rails" had not taken place at Promontory Point, but instead Promontory Summit, "a desert without water or shade," the celebration was held in Ogden instead.

1938: Railroad service to Promontory is discontinued.

September 8, 1942: An "Undriving of the Last Spike" ceremonty is held, as 90 miles of rail from Corinne to Lucin are pulled for the use in the war effort.

May 10, 1952: The Golden Spike Association holds its first annual re-enactment of the Golden Spike Ceremony.

1957: THe last spike site is designated a National Historic Site in non-federal ownership.

July 30, 1965: Finally, Golden Spike National Historic Site is designated, and 2,735 acres are placed under the stewardship of the National Park Service.

May 10, 1969: The Centennial celebration of the Golden Spike Ceremony draws 28,000 spectators, including John Wayne, who arrived by helicopter.

May 10, 1979: Dedication of working replica locomotives, "Jupiter" and "119".

May 10, 1994: 125th Anniversary celebration to commemorate the completion of the Nation's first Transcontinental Railroad is held. For the first time since May 10, 1869, the original silver plated spike maul used in the ceremony and the Gold, Silver, and combination Gold and Silver Arizona spikes are all reunited at Promontory for the celebration. 14,000 visitors attended, including Merlin Olsen, and the CEOs of both the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific Railroads.

July 30, 1995: 30th Anniversary of the establishment of Golden Spike National Historic Site.

Rob, thanks for another segment on your diesel classic manufacturers. DId you ever get that first "lingo" article to load?

Ted, I get my "esoteric" material from old and discontinued rail magazines, mostly. Unfortunately, most of the pix I get are yellowed from age (usually 60 to 110 years), but the information is great! I've recently been searching for the train fraternal organization publications on E-Bay, and been finding a lot of interesting material. I especially enjoyed a reader letter written in 1936 which asked the publisher if they thought that diesel would "catch on". I'll have to re-find that letter and post it here. You'll be amazed at the reply.

So that this post isn't too long, I'll end with my usual groaner/joke:

[:I] A man walks into a bar after leaving the courthouse, after his divorce was settled, being in a very bad mood, because he lost most of his property, he figure he would drown some of his problems, after a few drinks, and not feeling and better, he stood up and shouted all lawyers are a-holes. The only other person in the bar was a little guy at the other end of the bar, and he replied sir I resent that remark! The first man said why are you a lawyer? No he replied, I'm a-hole. [:I]

[Anonymous]

And now .... girls jumping on trampolines!

Southern Pacific, a National War Agency from BLF&E magazine, Jan. 1943

Scene in a busy Southern Pacific Shop


Cab-in-Front locomotives are an outgrowth of the mallet compound type introduced from France about 1904, with a system of articulating two engines (one high pressure and one low pressure) using one boiler. Southern Pacific had a number of mallets, the first in 1909, but in 19127 rebuilt one with two single-expansion engines. As a result the first AC-4 class, 4-8-8-2’s, were bought the next year and the mallets were gradually converted to single-expansion or dismantled.

Originally the cab-in-front locomotives (Southern Pacific is the only railroad in the country using them) were operated exclusively between Roseville and Sparks over the Sierras where the cab arrangement gives engine crews better vision as well as protection from smoke and gas fumes while operating through snow-sheds and long tunnels in the mountain sections. In later years, however, they have been in service over the Siskiyou and Cascade ranges in northern California and over the Tehachapi mountains on the San Joaquin Division. Sixteen of the news ones have been assigned to operate out of Los Angeles over the Coast Line to San Luis Obispo, and in helper service over the Cuesta grade between San Luis Obispo and Santa Margarita.

Both types of locomotives have the most modern appliances for operating efficiency and safety, and incorporate numerous mechanical improvements developed through years of experience with previous classes of these AC engines. A notable improvement on the new locomotives is the use of force-feed oil lubrication to all driving boxes instead of the conventional grease system. Spring pad lubricators developed by Southern Pacific are used on all driving wheel journals as well as on all other axle journals. Another improvement developed by S.P. is the automatic tire and wheel cooler which operates automatically when brakes are applied, spraying wheels and tires with water, thereby preventing overheating due to friction of the brakes. As in the AC-7’s delivered in 1937, both classes have automatic devices that guard against collection of sediment in throttle and superheater units; also multiple application of drop plugs to prevent boiler explosions, and safety tire clips, both developed by the S.P. In addition, these two classes have shatter proof glass in the cab windows and are equipped with the Loco Valve Pilot which indicates and records on a graph the speed and cut-off of the locomotive, and provides the engineer with visual means of determining how best to regulate his steam to get the greatest locomotive efficiency. The coal-burners are equipped with latest type mechanical stokers and casings which cover projections on top of the boilers to prevent trailing of steam and smoke and at the same time give a streamline effect.

A mammoth repair program has been launched in the company’s shops to bring back into use as quickly as possible every available piece or serviceable equipment. To secure the necessary manpower the hiring age of experienced mechanics was raised from 45 to 55 years. Southern Pacific personnel increased in proportion to its plant expansion. More than 10,000 employees were added to the Pacific lines alone in the two-year period from July, 1939, and the monthly payroll in the same period rose from $6,849,000 to $9,222,000, an increase of 34.65%.

Since Pearl Harbor the railroad’s main job has been winning the war. Some 7000 S.P. employees are now in the armed forces. President Mercier early announced as the company’s war slogan “The Victory Train Comes First.” Today even the limited and “hot shot” freights are taking to the sidings to clear the tracks for the swift movement of troop trains and trainloads of fighting equipment or supplies of raw materials for war industries.

One of Southern Pacific’s longest and heaviest locomotives – One of the company’s few coal-burners in use on the Rio Grande Division.


Reviewing the situation recently President Mercier said: “Much credit for the job being done by Southern Pacific in carrying the greatest load in its history should go to the military authorities for their effective teamwork with the railroads,, to the regular commercial shippers for their cooperation in heavy loading and prompt unloading of cars, and to the loading and prompt unloading of cars, and to the press and the public for their understanding attitude in cases when service has been temporarily delayed or interrupted by wartime emergency conditions. I know the men and women of Southern Pacific whose fine spirit and untiring effort have struck a telling blow for their country in its emergency, will continue to do their part and more.”

Oh .... I lied about the girls on trampolines .... sorry [;)]

[:I] Two tourists were driving through Louisiana. As they were approaching Natchitoches, they started arguing about the pronunciation of the town. They argued back and forth until they stopped for lunch. As they stood at the counter, one tourist asked the blonde employee, "Before we order, could you please settle an argument for us? Would you please pronounce where we are...very slowly?" The blonde leaned over the counter and said, "Burrrrrrrr, gerrrrrrr, Kiiiiing." [:I]

[siberianmo]

Good Evening!

A most underwhelming day, fer sure, fer sure at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!"[swg]

Some news:

The names for the two mechanical cash registers behind the bar have been chosen - tune in for Saturday's SUMMARY to find out what they are!

Heard from Nick by Email - apparently he and his family are rather down 'n out with a "bug" that won't let go of 'em.[xx(]

For those entered in the RR Book Relay! - the book is en route Illinois from West Wales![tup]

That's it for the night - Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)

Catch y'all in the AM![zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

I'm baaaaaaaaaack - looks like Doug and I Posted within a minute of one another .... so didn't want to check out without acknowledging the two fine Posts!

No comment about the jokes! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhh [swg]

Hope you're able to provide us with some ENCORE! Saturday material and of course Sunday Photo Posting Day![tup][tup][tup]

Appreciate the round - but there's no one at the bar to enjoy it!<groan>

By the by, an Email was sent to you today.[tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and some Steak and Fries, the Fish was lovely yesterday [tup].

Many thanks TOM for the link to the dictionary, Advertise in the Gazette and you get results[yeah] I had a great time reading and added it to my favorites list. it must have taken ages to compile and I think the writer came from the south of England, as he said, the slang terms vary in different parts of the country.

AL Glad you like the British posts. I know I am learning a great deal on N. American railroads and trolleys at the bar, it is with real regrets I was not able to have seen the heyday of the great American passenger trains which you describe so well.The 50s must have been a wonderful time to have an interest in railroads here.

CM3 Thanks for the railroad terms. Any more song titles soon [?].

Rob Thanks for the info on the diesel manufactures.

The FM piece on the opposed piston marine engines reminded me of the English Electric company of the U.K. They also adapted a marine engine with opposed pistons for railway use. The engine had three crankshafts in a DELTA formation, the company developed a locomotive in 1955 for demonstration purposes, the loco did not have a running number but carried the name DELTIC on its sides.

The loco was very American in appearence but with two driving cabs and painted a light blue with three speed whiskers on the fronts.It had two diesel engines powering DC generators to give a total horsepower of 3300HP. It was of the CO-CO wheel arrangement with six traction motors.

Deltic was first used in normal traffic on the West Coast Main Line mainly working expresses between Liverpool and London Euston one reason being that Liverpool was not far from the works where it was built. I can still recall seeing the loco at Rugby as a small kid there was a white overhauled works engineer with the loco.

After it was decided that the WCML was to be electrified Deltic was transferred to the East Coast London to Edinburgh route. this resulted in an order for 22 production deltics. these took over the principle expresses from the famed Gresley Pacifics. they were the first U.K. 100MPH diesel locos and weighed 100 tons

When first built they were numbered D9000-D9021 and allocated to three sheds Finsbury Park (London).Gateshead and Haymarket (Edinburgh). The locos all recieved names the Finsbury Park ones followed the Gresley A3 tradition of being named after winning racehorses, the Gateshead ones after Northern Regiments of the British Army and the Haymarket ones after Scottish Regiments. In the TOPS numbering scheme they became Class 55 and numbered 55001-55022. as delivered they were painted in the two tone green livery. They were later in the BR blue with yellow ends.
They lasted on the main expresses until the arrival of the HSTs in 1976, they saw their last days in service at York depot.

The prototype, which was never owned by BR, was donated to the Science Museum in London It has since moved to the National Railway Museum and at the moment, I believe, is at Shildon. There are six of the production Deltics preserved. A glimpse of one of them can be seen on the York 21 photo Tom posted for me on page 245 just above loco #26020.

The locos had a deep rumbling sound when idleing and the sound at speed I can't describe. They had quite a railfan following in their latter days.

DOUG Just read your post. Many thanks for the Promontory info. It was a real shame the original #119 and Jupiter were scrapped. The Great Western Railway of England done a simular thing by scrapping two original Broad Guage engines in the early 1900s which were kept in Swindon Works[V].
Great article on the cab-forwards. I had mistakenly thought that they were oil-fired.It must have been complicated to get the coal to the firebox[%-)] There were no locos of this type in the U.K. but they look great engines[^].

TOM Thanks for the CNR Nostalgia, sounds a great place for a vacation. not sure about the bears though.
Looks like a great trip you have planned. We will definatly have to do an Amtrak trip soon
[tup]. I hope that Nick and all there are well soon and he is able to join us again. PETE.

[trolleyboy]

good evening Leon, thamnks for saving that fine looking piece of meat for me,and with all the trimmings too ! [tup] I think a guiness will go well as a washer down, thank-you sir.

Tom that sounds like quite the aniversary trip that you have planned, I don't think you will be to disapointed, the area(s) you will be travelling throuhg are quite beatifull. All the better by train I would think.[;)][^]

I couldn't quite believe the prices for the ocean either, chunnel chuggers aside,Heather and I had wanted to travel it this Sept. Who knows the prices may drop , but I doubt it. I don't even want to attempt to price a run on the Candian at the moment.[:0][xx(]

Hopefully Sir Nick gets back on his feet, must be some bug ![:(][xx(]Thanks for the CNR nostalgia as well, good piece and it gets us all prepped for tomorrow !

Doug Hey wonderfull piece there, pt 2as as good as part one, I particularly loved the shop shots,reminds me of pictures I have seen of stratford Ontario's Big shops,almost like an ant hill with the men swarming over their charges. I hope you do find that diesel letter, should be interesting to read. I was able to finally read part one of the Lingo, it was just as good as part 2. Good candidates for tomorrow's ENCORE ! day Neat to read the story of the great joining of the CP and UP. Also interesting to note that both existing locomotives are in fact replica's !


Pete Thanks for the Deltic info. I had wondered where the name Deltic came from now I know.Its funny railfans in NA swarmed all over Minesota and BC to catch the last living FM's on the C&NW and CP rail. Same went for most of Canda in the late 50's as we still were running mainline steam.lots of US railfans flocked up here to get some final photo's of real steam in real mainline passenger and freight train action.


Rob

[siberianmo]

(photo courtesy: www.trainweb.org)

We open at 6 AM.(all times zones!) (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


The weekend has arrived! Start the day right here with a hot cuppa freshly brewed “Joe,” a little something from The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case topped off with an order from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast. Sounds good, eh[?][tup]


NAME THE two CASH REGISTERS!

Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye – Let it be known from this day forth that the two mechanical cash registers located behind the bar shall be named “Tilla the Hun” and “The Cashinator!” Thanx Pete & Rob for the “winning” names. Also, a hearty THANX to Russell – Doug – CM3 and BK for participating![tup][tup][tup]


Daily Wisdom

I wish I had an answer to that, because I’m tired of answering that question.
[swg]
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Northern Pacific (NP) arrives Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 05:19:45 (256) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 07:17:55 (256) INCLUSIVE POST! & Streamliner #67

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 07:29:19 (256) AM visit!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 08:48:54 (256) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 09:07:30 (256) Inclusive Post, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 10:44:08 (256) reply to trolleyboy, etc.

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 16:37:54 (256) NOSTALGIA #70, Ad – CNR (1933)

(8) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 19:53:27 (256) Inclusive & Informative Post & joke

(9) barndad Doug Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 19:56:30 (256) SP – A National War Agency, part II & joke

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 19:57:39 (256) Comments

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 20:12:45 (256) reply to barndad

(12) pwolfe Pete Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 21:33:52 (256) Inclusive & Informative Post!

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Feb 2006, 23:25:17 (256) Inclusive Post, etc.



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 19th thru 25th: Fahrenheit 451 (1966) starring: Oskar Werner, Julie Christie & Cyril Cusack – and – Northwest Frontier (1959) starring: Kenneth More, Lauren Bacall & Herbert Lom.

Coming Attractions:

. . . Sunday, February 26th thru March 4th: Fours a Crowd (1938) starring: Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland & Rosalind Russell – and – Holiday Affair (1949) starring: Robert Mitchum, Janet Leigh & Wendell Corey.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 152

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Erie Railroad

Headquarters: Cleveland, OH

Mileage in 1950: 2,341

Locomotives in 1960:

Diesel: 695

Rolling stock in 1960:

Freight cars: 20,372
Passenger cars: 519

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City-Paterson, NJ-Middletown-Hornell, NY-Youngstown, OH-Chicago (Hammond-Chicago via rights on the Chicago & Western Indiana)
Marion-Dayton-Cincinnati, OH (Dayton-Cincinnati via rights on the B&0)
Hamilton, OH-Indianapolis, IN (rights on the B&O)
Leavittsburg-Cleveland, OH
Pymatuning, PA-Leavittsburg, OH
Hornell-Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY
Salamanca-Dunkirk, NY
Corning (Painted Post)-Attica, NY
Avon-Rochester, NY
River Junction-Cuba Junction, NY
Carrolton, NY-Eleanora Jct., NY (Brockway-Eleanora Jct. via B&O rights)
Corning, NY-Newberry, Jct., PA
Lanesboro-Wilkes Barre & Scranton, PA
Lackawaxen-Avoca, PA
Newburgh Jct.-Campbell Hall-Graham, NY
Maybrook-Pine Island, NY
Croxton (Jersey City)-Nyack, NY
Piermont-Suffern, NY
NY&NJ Jct.,-Ridgewood Jct.
Paterson (Newark Jct.)-Newark, NJ
Croxton-Midvale, NJ

Passenger trains of note:

Erie Limited (Jersey City-Chicago & Buffalo)
Lake Cities (Jersey City-Cleveland & Buffalo; later extended to Chicago)
Pacific Express (Jersey City-Chicago)
Atlantic Express (Chicago-Jersey City)
Midlander (Jersey City-Chicago)
Southern Tier Express (Buffalo-Hornell-Jersey City)
Mountain Express (Jersey City-Hornell)
Tuxedo (Jersey City-Port Jervis)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[Anonymous]

Very good week end wishes to all. Tom, I think just a toasted English and a cuppa Joe for now. Hey your proposed rail excursion sounds fabulous. Best wishes for a great Anniversary.[tup] Doug, those older books, magazines of yours surely have a lot of value to Seniors such as me who came in at the "tail end" of the "Steam Era." I recall watching a U.P. "Big Boy" in Salida, CO. inching its way from the yard with around 70 freight cars in tow. One set of drivers would begin to slip and the other set "kicked in" until, at last, the train was in motion. The cab forwards have been favorites of mine for years along with the Erie Triplex, et al. but there is no rationale for them on my small Pike.[V] Pete, the Deltic was really unique and happily the protoypes survive for posterity. It is a "cryin shame" that U.S. Roads couldn't begin their preservation efforts much earlier. So many "one of a kind" or historically "classic" pieces were torched too soon and now, gone forever. Rob, the data on various diesel manufactureres is as informative as it is important to any rail Buff. It caused wonder for me as to how some of these companies survived as long as they did. Al, as usaual your input on the Florida Special was a "ringer." I didn't realize R.F. & P. and Florida East Coast were carriers. I thought only P.R.R. and A.C.L. did the chores, many thanks.

I caught the "Double Feature" at the Emporium about 45 years ago, or more. Almost forgot what: story line, acting, plot/counter plot, cinematography, and natural scenery were all about.[tup] The Canadian National Nostalgia piece is always a welcome, if "bitter sweet" sight Tom. Hey, sorry I can't add anything of substance to the NHL debate. Pro sports (in general) have been "written off" by yours truly. Anymore, its college football, pro soccer, PGA for moi. [#offtopic]I look at the R.I.P and "Legion of the Lost" in much the same way as our favorite Road's of the past. I'm just greatful that it all happened "once upon a time."[^] "May the best man win" on the cash register christening. I forgot to enter my bid for "Bread and Butter." Alas, "a day late and a dollar short." How's that for an essay of hackneyed cliches Boris? Ahhh forget it!!![:(!]

[Anonymous]

Hey Tom, thanks for bringing the Erie Triplex to mind. Happy rails.

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang . Just time for a quick coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Have not had time to read any of yesterdays posts throughly yet so will get into them this afternoon.

For Encore Saturday i would like to bring back the following:

SOUTHERN BELLE KCS Trains 1-2 September 1, 1940 Kansas City – New Orleans daily overnight 872.8 miles 18 hours 15 minutes

The Kansas City Southern introduced a mixed heavyweight and lightweight pair of streamlined trains on September 2, 1940. The new SOUTHERN BELLE required three sets of equipment to provide daily service in each direction between Kansas City and New Orleans. Initially the trains operated with a modernized semi streamlined heavyweight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom sleeping car on the overnight part of the trip in each direction that being the Shreveport – New Orleans segment, those cars were SILOAM SPRINGS and SULPHUR SPRINGS. When Pullman assigned a third 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car to the SOUTHERN BELLE in February 1941 named BARKSDALE, sleeping cars began operating through between New Orleans and Kansas City. Later in April, 1941Pullman assigned two more semi streamlined modernized heavy-weight 10 Section 3 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars STATE CAPITAL and MENA to the SOUTHERN BELLE but these operated only between Shreveport and New Orleans the overnight part of the run. A second lightweight streamlined coach was also carried nightly in each consist between Shreveport and New Orleans. The following is representative of the SOUTHERN BELLE south of Shreveport after all prewar cars were in service.

CONSIST ONE

21 EMD E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

64 Baggage 30’Railway Post Office 6-Crew Dormitory

234 PITTSBURG 74-Revenue Seat Coach

237 ALEXANDRIA 74-Revenue Seat Coach

SILOAM SPRINGS Heavyweight 10-Section 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

54 KANSAS CITY 2-Day Room Lunch Counter Kitchen 24-Seat Dining 8-Revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

In the above consist 237 ALEXANDRIA and SILOAM SPRINGS operated in train between Shreveport and New Orleans overnight. All other cars operated Kansas City – New Orleans

CONSIST TWO

22 EMD E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

65 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office 6-Crew Dormitory Car

235 JOPLIN 74-Revenue Seat Coach

238 BATON ROUGE 74-Revenue Seat Coach

SULPHUR SPRINGS Heavyweight 10-Section 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

55 SHREVEPORT 2-Dayroom Lunch Counter Kitchen 24-Seat Dining 8-revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

In consist two cars 238 BATON ROUGE and SULPHUR SPRINGS operated overnight between New Orleans and Shreveport.

CONSIST THREE

23 EMD E3A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

66 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office 6-Crew Dormitory Car

236 TEXARKANA 74-Revenue Seat Coach

56 NEW ORLEANS 2-Dayroom Lunch Counter Kitchen 24-Seat Dining 8-Revenue Seat Parlor 8-Seat Lounge Observation

In February 1941 a third heavyweight sleeping car was added BARKSDALE this permitted through Kansas City – New Orleans Sleeping Car service.

In April 1941 two additional heavyweight sleeping cars STATE CAPITAL and MENA were added to the SOUTHERN BELLE pool of cars. This permitted the SOUTHERN BELLE to operate additional sleeping cars in overnight Shreveport – New Orleans service as well as the Kansas City – New Orleans sleeping cars.

GULF COAST REBEL GM&O Trains 16-17 October 27, 1940 Mobile – East St. Louis daily overnight each direction 648 miles 16 hours 55 minutes

The GULF COAST REBEL were diesel powered streamlined heavyweight trains with the GM&O shops completing the streamlining in there Jackson shops on 9 cars and Pullman Calumet streamlining a pair of Heavyweight Pullmans for the new trains.

CONSIST ONE

270 Alco DL-109 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

32 Heavyweight Streamlined Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

63 Heavyweight Streamlined Baggage Car

243 Heavyweight Streamlined 6-Crew Dormitory 48-Revenue Seat Coach

101 Heavyweight Streamlined 6-Seat Lunch Counter 8-Seat Dining 8-Seat Lounge 24-Revenue Seat Coach

SHOW ME Heavyweight Streamlined 8-Section 1-Drawing Room 3-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CONSIST TWO

271 Alco DL-109 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

33 Heavyweight Streamlined Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

65 Heavyweight streamlined Baggage Car

328 Heavyweight Streamlined 6-Crew Dormitory 48-Revenue Seat Coach

102 Heavyweight Streamlined 8-Seat Lunch Counter 8-Seat Dining 8-Seat Lounge 24-Revenue Seat Coach

DEEP SOUTH Heavyweight streamlined 8-Section 1-Drawing Room 2-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

New lightweight streamlined 68 seat Coaches replaced the 48-seat Coaches in December 1947 from the 3050 – 3060 series.

New lightweight streamlined sleeping cars with 4-Section 8-Roomette 1-Compartment and 3-Double Bedroom interiors replaced the prewar heavyweight sleeping cars in July 1950.The sleeping cars were named as follows:
CULVER WHITE
JUDGE MILTON BROWN
SAMUEL KING TIGRETT
TIMOTHY B. BLACKSTONE


The GULF COAST REBEL lasted until 1958 when it was discontinued.


CHOCTAW ROCKET CRI&P Trains 51-52 November 17, 1940 Memphis – Amarillo nightly each direction 762 9 hours 30 minutes

The Rock Island inaugurated a new streamlined ROCKET between Memphis, Tennessee and Amarillo, Texas daily. The new streamlined trains operated in each direction daily beginning November 17, 1940. The two new train sets were each powered by a single 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit one from EMD the other from ALCO. Major cities served along the route of the CHOCTAW ROCKET between Memphis and Amarillo was Little Rock, McAlester, and Oklahoma City. These trains replaced older heavyweight steam powered trains along the route. The two Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office cars were heavyweights all other cars were new lightweights delivered by Pullman Standard.

CONSIST ONE

624 ALCO DL103B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

502 Heavyweight Baggage 30’Railway Post Office Car

350 AMARILLO 68-Revenue Seat Divided Coach

622 SEMINOLE 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

430 MEMPHIS 24-Seat Dining 16-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation

CONSIST TWO

622 ALCO DL107 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

501 Heavyweight Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

351 OKLAHOMA CITY 68-Revenue Seat Divided Coach

623 WEWOKA 8-Section 5-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

431 LITTLE ROCK 24-Seat Dining 16-Revenue Seat Parlor Observation

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

[wow] Was yesterday a holiday[?] Seems like the guys had other things to do aside from imbibing in the good times, the spirits and the spirit of ”Our” Place. I kind of figured BK ‘n Lars would be elsewhere, as BK has been talking about various trips in Alberta. Lars, of course, has other things on his plate, eh[?]

Okay, so that was then and this is now. Very pleased to see not one, but two Posts from Ted! Now that hasn’t happened in awhile.[tup] I can’t recall the last time anyone commented on those Emporium movie posters and reviews . . . glad they brought back some good memories - that is what was intended![tup] Also, I think you stated it quite well regarding the Legion of the Lost ‘n RIP – it really WAS good to share in many of those Posts from days gone by. Nothing or no one stays the same – not even moi! Really.[swg]

Thanx to Pete ‘n Rob for keeping Leon awake last night. We had let the staff depart early in the evening and put the covers over the pool tables, turned off the lights and large screen TVs. He got quite a few “crosswords” done, so I hear![swg]

Pete Glad the URL “did it” for ya![tup] It took awhile, but I finally came across it a bit ago, just neglected to get it Posted! Regarding that CNR Ad – don’t be concerned, that was a 1933 timeframe, those bears are long gone![swg] [:O] [;)]

Rob Isn’t that something regarding what is going on with VIA Rail and the pricing[?] They have always had seasonal increases in fares, but what they’ve done with the “Ocean” is simply outrageous. The thing is, there are many people in the Maritimes who use those trains, really do. Many kids from university, many others from place to place. They surely are priced out of using it now and all for the “tourist” dollar. As I said, outrageous. I’m a bit surprised that T2000 hasn’t screamed and hollered loud ‘n clear on the issue. But then again, they are about transit moreso than long distance train travel. Oh well . . . we do have choices, and we’re exercising ours.

Given that this is our ENCORE! Saturday it’s good to see that Al jumped right in with an “oldie, but goodie” from days gone by – KCS Southern Belles – good readin’ fer sure, fer sure. Don’t be concerned about not being able to catch up – we had a slow day yesterday, just look at the Summary, hardly worth keeping the doors opened.<frown> But guys like you, who spring for rounds and leave an amount of cash on the bar, help pay the bills![tup][tup]

Sure wi***he Pix on the web weren’t so restricted – for there’s surely a “bunch” out there. I wonder just how many are really “copyrighted,” or if that’s nothing more than a ploy to keep the honest people honest[?] Well, put me in that category – I’m not a proponent of using someone elses work, unless it is clearly evident that it falls within the parameters of “public use,” etc. This is one of those very grey areas, given that “policing” is seemingly impossible. Oh well.

The May-June rail adventure has been booked! So, we are going to take the Empire Builder – Coast Starlight ‘n California Zephyr on a “whirlwind” rail tour of a large portion of the northern tier and mid section of the states. Should be a blast and we’re looking forward to it. Thanx for the well wishes from Pete – Rob ‘n Ted![tup]

Okay boyz, time to get back to “Honey do Saturday” ‘round the Haus![swg] Ain’t life an ‘itch, boyz!<grin>


Later![tup]


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 142

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this ad out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956) [located on the back cover]

Pioneering design keeps

Fairbanks-Morse motive power

first on the rails

. . . . . . . . . . .

F-M Introduced America’s First –

2000 horsepower road locomotive

2000 horsepower road switcher

2400 horsepower passenger unit,
the “Consolidation Line”

2400 horsepower six-motor road unit, the ‘Train Master”

Each of these Fairbanks-Morse First’s was a trend-maker toward higher horsepower per motive unit – a trend quickly followed by other locomotive builders to the benefit of the railroad industry as a whole.

- - - - - - and now, another pace-setter, the “Speed Merchant” . . . America’s newest high-speed, lightweight passenger locomotives ., . . conceived with brilliant flexibility and single-engine simplicity – designed to put the profit back in passenger service.

- - - - - - Pioneering the future . . . improving the present. These are the continuing goals of the Locomotive Division of Fairbanks-Morse & Co., Chicago 5, Ill.

FAIRBANKS-MORSE
a name worth remembering when you want the BEST

DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES AND ENGINES – RAIL CARS AND RAILROAD EQUIPMENT – ELECTRICAL MACHINERY – PUMPS – SCALES – WATER SERVICE EQUIPMENT– MAGNETOS

Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

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[West Coast S]

Morning Tom and the gang, still early my time, cuppa joe please.. Great job showcasing FM as all the other builders, Pete,Tom regarding those Promotory questions from the 24th. Here's the skinny.
After completion of the Lucin Cutoff in 1904, the orginal Promotory alignment was reduced to branch status, except for infrequent detours, Western Union operated wire maintaince line trains constituted most of the traffic, who's pole line had not be relocated to the new route. By 1942 Western Union had abandoned it's pole line after a agreement was reached with SP to relocate the lines across the causeway.

SP filed for abandoment of the Promotory Route with the US Government taking ownership, they in turn contracted scrapper Hyman-Michaels to salvage the rails for use at the Hawthorne, Nv. Navy Depot, ties were left for salvage by local ranchers.

After the terrible causeway washouts of 1982,83,84 that brought the Overland Route to a halt, SP studied the possibilty of
re-laying the line and abandoning the route across the Great Salt Lake. Dollars won out at the end, it was far cheaper to shore up the existing causeway or failing that, to seek a trackage agreement with the UP for use of the former WP route which skirted the lake to the south.


Ok gang still getting up to speed and I should try to get some work acomplished first , I shall return with my daily SP motive power review..today I present for your viewing pleasure, the SDP45.

Dave

[LoveDomes]

Posted: 25 Feb 2006, page 257

Good Afternoon Tom and whoever is around today!

Looks like a string of quiet days according to what my review of the pages has revealed. That isn’t all bad, though. Should give you some time to catch up on whatever else you may need or want to do.

Set me up with a belt of JD on the rocks if you please and I’ll hold off on the food thank you. Here’s a ten spot for the guys – whenever they stop by – just put it in the Lars Box thanks![tup] Better make it a double after reading those jokes put out there by barndad Doug![swg]

So, where was I the last time I dumped my problems on you[?] Oh yeah, the insurance company. Got a registered letter from them this morning and in it – surprise, surprise – a copy of a “stop payment” on their check along with a written notice that they are canceling us out from the homeowner’s insurance effective 30 days from the date of the letter IF the money isn’t returned. A check (ha!) will be sent to us with the balance of our premium (but no interest, of course!!). So, I guess they told us, huh[?][tdn] Idiots!

I am not at all concerned about this, as I have been assured that they are “a day late and a dollar short” with getting anything done on that check. It was cashed FOR CASH, which means, there’s not a whole heck-of-a-lot they can do about it now. Insofar as dropping us – I think they have that in reverse. We surely would not have renewed with them! So, we’ll find another company – there are plenty to select from, and life will go on. Idiots!

Yesterday was another wunnerful Lawrence Welk) experience. The hot water tank got replaced with no sweat. The furnace, ah – that’s another matter. They are back at it today after nearly having WWIII break out in my basement during the afternoon when the guy said he’d be back MONDAY to finish up. After some rational conversation, followed by some not-so-rational conversation, followed by a phone call to the company who sent Mr. Bozo to our home, another “technician” came this mid-morning to resume the installation. Of course we were without heat last night – stayed over at one of my son’s houses. Are you all following this saga[?] Absolutely incredible, isn’t it[?]

So, here’s the deal – furnace should up up and running within an hour. Then come Monday, the digging begins. I’d say we’re getting close to having all of this behind us. We’ve really enjoyed wearing sweaters over sweaters and running up the electric bill with the space heaters! Ah, but what’s money for if not to spend it[?] Just a matter of where, I suppose. Sea duty was never like this![swg]

Took a break from it all to check out what’s been happening here and over on your other thread. Looks like more activity there than here! Anyway, sorry that I’m not contributing to the ENCORE! of the day, but I’m rather overwhelmed as you can imagine. Hope to check in tomorrow for the pix, but won’t make any promises about submissions of my own. I should be back in the saddle before the new week ends, I hope!

Hey Tom that’s one mighty fine rail trip you have mapped out. We’re taking the Zephyr to Oakland/San Francisco, then motor on down the coast for a visit with some relatives and friends. We too will take the train back to Chicago. We’ll have to compare notes, eh[?] Rather than take the train from here to Chicago, we’re going to fly as that rail route is not at all something I enjoy. A far, far cry from days of yesteryear. Been awhile since I’ve traveled the route of the Zephyrs, but I’m looking forward to it. The wife likes train travel, which helps, but she’s hardly the crazed nut that I become once I get to the station.[swg] Once all this mess is cleared up around here, we’ll have to engage in some emailing to compare itineraries. Wouldn’t it be something if we returned on the same train! No such luck is my guess.

Thanks a whole heck-of-a-lot to one and all for your well wishes and moral support. I know this is cyber space, but it still is meaningful and appreciated![tup][tup][tup]

Tonight is take the wife out to dinner and a show night. We’re heading over to “the city,” for both. Been a while for that too, but she surely deserves a break from the absolute nightmare that this has been of late.

Enjoy the weekend, guys!


Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Saturday visits from Dave 'n Lars - good show![tup]

Not quite sure about the reference to your Promotory comments, but the input is appreciated. (Must be another "Tom" [swg]) That Overland Route at one time was emblazoned on the UP herald, eh[?] Presuming it was a route of similar wanderings.

Well, Lars I'd say that if one more thing happens at your place, there's going to be a call to "NY's Finest!" Good grief! Is this ever going to end for you[?] I admire the fact that you are able to take it a step at a time, and sounds as if you've gotten it down to the common denominator.[tup]

I'm not sure when your "adventure" begins, but I seem to recall you mentioning that you'd be gone during the period of our Rendezvous in Toronto so unless you're going to be out on the left coast for a loooooooooong time, I doubt that we'll chance a meeting on the Zephyr. We return in June. And yes, we should compare notes, and perhaps Pix too.[tup]

Thanx both for the rounds - I'll just put the cash aside until we get a crowd to justify spending it![tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

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first Posted on page 143

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #11

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) from an advertisement in Classic American Trains


NOW . . . A Complete RECREATION CAR

Especially Designed for Your Pleasure

In daily service on The Jeffersonian, popular all-coach streamliner between New York and St. Louis!
A dramatic highlight in Pennsylvania railroad’s new equipment program, this colorful new recreation car provides amusement and entertainment for all ages. A luxurious game and reading lounge . . . a children’s playroom . . . a sunken buffet lounge . . . miniature movie theatre – pleasure with variety. Be among the first to enjoy it! Reserve a seat on The Jeffersonian on your next trip!

SO ROOMY AND RESTFUL – the new overnight coaches on The Jeffersonian. Only 44 seats to the car – and all reclining! You’ll like the new lighting too – fluorescent, 4 times brighter but easy on the eyes. New-type air-conditioning adds still more comfort.

EXTRA LARGE MODERN WASHROOMS, one for women, one for men at the end of each coach – handsomely decorated – with 3 glistening washstands and 2 toilet annexes.

Enjoy these New Features at Low Coach Fares!

THE JEFFERSONIAN
. . . . . . . . . . Westbound . . . . . . . . . .
Lv. New York . . . . . 6:15 P.M.
Lv. Philadelphia . . . 7:43 P.M.
Lv. Washington . . . 6:20 P.M.
Lv. Baltimore . . . . . 7:05 P.M.
Lv. Harrisburg . . . . .9:42 P.M.
Ar. Columbus . . . . . 6:46 A.M.
Ar. Dayton . . . . . . ..8:21 A.M.
Ar. Indianapolis . . . .9:27 A.M.
Ar. St. Louis . . . . . .1:50 P.M.
. . . . . . . . . . Eastbound . . . . . . . . . .
Lv. St. Louis . . . . . . 1:00 P.M.
Lv. Indianapolis . . . . 5:07 P.M.
Lv. Dayton . . . . . . . .8:13 P.M.
Lv. Columbus . . . . . .9:35 P.M.
Ar. Harrisburg . . . . . 6:51 A.M.
Ar. Baltimore . . . . . . 9:23 A.M.
Ar. Washington . . . .10:10 A.M.
Ar. Philadelphia . . . . .8:52 A.M.
Ar. New York . . . . . .10:25 A.M

Recreation car facilities available to Baltimore and Washington passengers between Harrisburg and St. Louis.

PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD
. . . . . . . . . . Serving the Nation . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday

[West Coast S]

Tom...True enough The traditional "Overland Route" was Odgen, UT. to Sacramento, you could expand it to inculde the UP via Odgen to Omaha,C&NW from Omaha to Chicago. Perhaps one of the best recalled slogans, no doubt those Harrimans understood the value of a catchy phrase to grab the public's attention.

Ok, round of CR, now the we be past the morn, splice the main brace please!!!

Without further ado..presenting the unremarked SDP45

By 1967, SP was intent on retiring the remaining eighteen Alco PA's who's maintaince and operating cost had become excessive, based upon performance of the SD45, which SP was estatic about, EMD suggested the V20, 3200hp passenger version could be the solution.

Without any additional urging, SP inked an order for ten, sight unsee to be numbered 3201-3209. Upon entering service they exceeded all specifications and quickly sent most of the passenger cab unit fleet to the scrapper. In a matter of months they assumed all remaining intercity passenger runs and accomplished the goal of single unit operation of passengers trains as a cost control measure. The practice of adding extra units to protect from failure was eliminated and all schedules were greatly improved due to the excellent performance of those 3200 horses.

Upon the creation of Amtrak, SP sold the remaining cab units to the power short operation, the SDP45's were not included in the deal, but were leased to help with the transition, all remained on home rails and for time it seemed as if nothing had changed. All knew that their pending reassignment to San Francisco spelled the end for the much beloved trainmasters, but the trainmasters would not fade into retirment without one last fight, a repreive courtesy of EMD themselves: The first SDP45 powered commute runs were a diaster, they proved unable to maintain the schedule and would loose time over the route much to the chigrin of SP and EMD. Bottom line, the units were sluggish and would not transition between severe and light loads under great acceleration variables without roasting the traction motors or inducing turbo backfires.


The failure was due to a design issue with the automatic load regulator, a problem that had existed since the days of the FT and was a familar story to EMD engineers. Unlike EMD, Fairbanks Morse electrical systems employed no load regulator thus full power was available on demand without dammage to wiring or traction motors or suprise under-load shutdown of the power plant that could, and did cause expensive-time consuming repairs on EMD units so equipped.

SP quickly decided to rectify this flaw, and despite EMD's protest , reached the decision to install adjustable regulators, as freight duty in the off hours was a unescapable fact of life for the commute fleet. Thus the generators could recieve ample current when in passenger use for quick accleration and could be adjusted to disapate heat for slow freight drags without meltdown. Western Pacific, which had extensive experience with this ill design and had a ready solution assisted in providing SP with technical guidence throughout the modifications...

By 1975, all ten had been converted to adjustable load regulators, traction motor wiring upgrades and extensive electrical locker improvements and upon sucessfull testing and acceptance, all sixteen trainmasters were retired at Bayshore. The SDP45's assumed the burden of peak commute service where twelve car trains were the norm on three minute headways , occasionaly the fleet answered the call to company service and officers special. In the summer of 1978 an upsurge in freight business and a lack of sufficient locomotives forced the SDP45's back into the freight pool for the remainder of the year, their place was taken by fifteen leased Amtrak P30CH's until mysterious derailments with these units caused SP to scavage the dead line for suitable home road power where several disused GP35's laguished.

The next chapter occured In 1984, SP sold the commute operation and rail lines to a new operator, CalTrain, it was hoped Caltrain would find use for the big 45's as they were of little use to SP for freight duty due to newer power arriving and strict emission regulations in the Bay Area. Caltrain chose to replace all former SP equiptment. SP immediately retired those awaiting heavy repairs, Seven remained after the takover of the commute operations and stripped of steam generators, moved to fright duty out of Roseville.

Later in 1984, 3207 was repainted in the
dis-allowed SP/SF merger paint the only true passenger unit of either road to display these doomed colors. Seven were available for service at the time of the UP merger and would prove to be of good use for their new owner for several more years before final retirement...


Dave