The U.S. Merchant Marine SongHeave Ho! My Lads! Heave Ho!
Give us the oil, give us the gasGive us the shells, give us the guns.We'll be the ones to see them thru.Give us the tanks, give us the planes.Give us the parts, give us a ship.Give us a hip hoo-ray!And we'll be on our way.
It's a long, long way to go, It's a long, long pull with our hatches full,Braving the wind, braving the sea, Fighting the treacherous foe,
Heave Ho! My Lads! Heave Ho!
Let the sea roll high or low, We can cross any ocean, sail any river, give up the goods and we'll deliver, Damn the submarine!
We're the men of the Merchant Marine!
Words and Music by Lieut. (jg) Jack Lawrence, USMS, 1943.Performed by the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy Regimental BandCaptain Kenneth R. Force, USMS, Director of Music
Until the next time!
Lars
ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
"Our" Place 2006 Commemoration of Veterans - Remembrance - Armistice Day!
from page 160
Number 3 of 9 One passenger – or one million Those carefree days when a man could almost as easily as he’d are out for the duration. Folks have to share the railroads with the Army and Navy, just as they’re sharing everything else these days. We wish we could still offer you an unlimited choice of departure times and accommodations, but more than a million and half troops per month must be cared for first. That takes a lot of cars and a lot of locomotives. It takes the time of a lot of railroad men, for these movements must be handled swiftly and secretly. After meeting all the vast demands of a nation at war, we are not always able to serve the public as well as we’d like to – but nevertheless with a little cooperation, we’ll get you where you have to go. Transportation is our business as well as our duty - and we want you to know that every railroad man worthy of the name has his heart in the job. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Association of . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . American Railroads . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Washington, D.C. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . United for Victory . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . More to follow ……….. Tom
Number 2 of 9 ”OVER HILL, OVER DALE, WE WILL RIDE THE IRON RAIL . . . AS THE PULLMAN’S GO ROLLING ALONG” Growing and GOING that’s the story of our armed forces. Growing every day and going every night, for long distance troop movements are usually under the cover of darkness, in Pullman sleeping cars. It’s a big job for the railroads to haul so many cars. And a big job for Pullman to provide them. But it’s a welcome job for both of us, one we’re proud and happy we were prepared to handle. Prepared? Oh, yes. The way Pullman and the railroads worked together in peacetime – through the Pullman “pool” of sleeping cars – fitted right into the wartime picture. Here’s how that “pool” works: > Railroad passenger traffic in different parts of the country fluctuates with the season. Travel south, for instance, is heaviest in winter. And travel north increases in the summer. > If each railroad owned and operated enough sleeping cars to handle its own peak loads, many of those cars would be idle most of the year. > With the Pullman “pool,” however, over one hundred different railroads share in the ability of a sleeping car fleet big enough to handle their combined requirements at any one time. As the travel loads shifts north, south, east or west, these cars shift with it. They are seldom idle for when fewer cars are needed on one railroad, more are needed on another. Now that war has come this “pool”operation of sleeping cars enables troop trains to be made up on short notice – at widely scattered points – and routed over any combination of railroads. That’s what we meant when we said that Pullman and the railroads were prepared to handle the tremendous mass movement of troops that goes on constantly. It takes a lot of sleeping cars to do it. Almost drains the Pullman “pool” at times. As a result, civilian travelers are sometimes inconvenienced. But the war comes first with the railroads and first with Pullman – just as it comes first with you! AN AVERAGE OF MORE THAN 25,000 TROOPS A NIGHT NOW GO PULLMAN Buy War Bonds and Stamps Regularly!
More to follow ……….. Tom
from page 159
Number 1 of 9: . . . . . . . . . . more Vital than gold . . . . . . . . . . All the gold buried in Fort Knox, Ky., is less important to Victory than the rich iron ore deposits of the Mesabi, Cuyuna, and Vermillion ranges of northern Minnesota. The Mesabi range along contains the world’s largest developed deposits, and much of this ore lies in open pits. From these pits giant shovels scoop the vital “red dust” into Great Northern cars which dump it a few hours later into the docks in Duluth and Superior, at the Head of the Lakes. There ore boats are swiftly loaded for delivery to the nation’s steel mills. When the shipping season closed December 5, new mining records had been set on the mining ranges, and Great Northern Railway handled nearly 29,000,000 long tons – a third of the Lake Superior district’s total production. With the necessity of preserving equipment, Great Northern, between shipping seasons, is reconditioning motive power, cars, trackage and its Allouez docks in Superior making ready for a still bigger job in 1943. The fabulous iron ore deposits in Minnesota are only part of the wealth contributed to America by the Zone of Plenty – and delivered by this vital artery of transportation. GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY ROUTE OF THE EMPIRE BUILDER - BETWEEN THE GREAT LAKES AND THE PACIFIC IN THE ZONE Of Plenty More to follow …….. Tom
G'day Gents!
A rather chilly morning here in mid-continent USA as the front came roaring through late yesterday afternoon. Temps dropped 25 degrees (F) in about an hour as we were spared the worst of it. All happened shortly after I picked up a "ton" of fallen leaves! Now, as suspected, the ground is littered once again. <groan> Petro was at $2.13 (rounded) yesterday afternoon - dropped a cent after a rise of about 15. Go figger, as they say! <grin>
The front of our home is adorned with the flags of the U.S. 'n Canada, flying side-by-side as is the case whenever appropriate holidays from north of the 49th warrant. Long live the respect and friendship between our nations!
Wonderful Posts during my brief hiatus and many thanx to DL - Pete - Lars - Eric - Rob 'n Mike for the fine efforts! Loved those WWII "merchie" posters from Lars - the on point URLs from our Army alum, Mike along with Rob's terrific inclusions throughout the evening into the wee hours. Nice job all 'round guys - always appreciate the activity.
While I have those Pix from the VIA Rail 2006 Remembrance Day train that Mike provided - I'm still looking for shots of the train itself. It was an awesome sight - from what I've been told - with about 24 cars and 3 loco's moving along the rails with hundreds of flag waving people awaiting the passing of the train at crossings and stations along the route from Halifax to Montreal then on to Ottawa.
So, we've arrived at Veterans - Remembrance 'n Armistice Day 2006. Simply put, let us never forget all who wore the uniforms of their respective lands and most especially all who have given lives 'n limbs, loss of senses, and ability to lead happy 'n normal lives for the rest of us.
Rob, the accounting of Pilot officer Andrew Mynarski is made more meaningful now that I've visited the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum and viewed the Lancaster bomber with the tribute to this remarkable young hero. Always will appreciate your including that visit in our "extra" day at the 1st Annual "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in Toronto 2006. Also, I really learned something (what's new??) from your fine Post of the Canadian Railway Corps - another well done!
Pete, while I couldn't get a Pix of the Stanier 8F to come up, the narratives told quite a story. Thanx!
And yes, Semper Fi to our USMC friends!
As today is ENCORE! Saturday, I plan to provide as many of my Nostalgia Posts from last year as possible. They all require editing due to Forum's formatting changes - which of course translates to TIME! <ugh> Watch for 'em!
Later!
Tom
Another round, Tom, and a good Veterans Day to you, sir, who have served our country 32 years and Our Place a year and a half. I believe there are natural born leaders and that includes you. They invited me to attend officer candidate school at Fort Jackson 40 years ago. I knew to say nope. A not unrealistic fear of failure had a lot to do with it, boot camp had been plenty on my plate, but mainly I didn't want to hasten a journey to Vietnam.
When I was in third grade I made friends with a kid a named Robert (1947-1968). He was such a good guy.
Rob, thanks for your Remembrance Day posts, and thanks to your great country for helping to make the world a better and hopefully one day safer place.
Same to the Brits, where would we be without them?
Eric, you are a fellow citizen and one who would thrive anywhere. You continue to serve your native land well as a good will ambassador.
Mike
Eric-Nice to see someone else in to enjoy some late evening drafts and snacks Nice to see the ongoing info exchange still bouncing back and forth here on the ole thread.For what it's worth the numbers you speak of don't lie, unfortunatly the big fuel companies and the bus lobbies still have the louder voice in most cities ( ie the most cash )I'd vote against her if I could but alas I do not live in Toronto.She's fallen even farther behind in the last poleI had seen around 6pm, she's got the proverbial snowballs chance which is a goof thing.
Rob
LEST WE FORGET LEST WE FORGET LEST WE FORGET LEST WE FORGET
An encore from May, appropriate to today's theme of rememberance of our war dead and what they did to preserve the lifet we all enjoy today.
Gentlemen,the next post I'm putting out, is a piece I had ment to put out for all to read yesterday, but a late thunderstorm of some strength forced me to shut down earlier than I wished yesterday. This is new info and as such I intend to encore it again later in the year when rememberance day does roll around. This is Andrew Mynarski's story, hiopefully explaining why he was awarded the Victoria Cross, and why he was chosen by the Canadain Warplane Herritage Museum to be honoured by their flying Lancaster Bomber which is also a moving tribute to the thousands who flew combat missions for bomber comand in RAF and RCAF squadrons during WW2, and to the 20,000 that did not return. So Andy's story a bit late for Memorial day, but worth the time none the less. I must also say that both Ted and Tom were moved by both the Lanc itself and by Andy's story, I get shivers typing it out as I do reading it and seeing the Lanc up close and touch it as well. A bit of background, Pilot officer Andrew Mynarski was a trained airgunner hailing from a small town outside of Winnipeg Man. he enlisted early in the war 1940 just after the Battle of Britain and trained for his trade at the Commenwealth air training facilities in Canada.he was then posted in 1943 to the 419 Moose squadron a Canadian bombing group originally supp,luied with Wellington Bombers but by 1944 they were flying B1 Lancs, like the bomber at the CWH. Andy was the mid upper gunner on bomber KM469 or VRA as the squadron call letters were. This is the paint job and numbers that FM213 carries as a living memorial at the museum.His best friend was pilot officer Pat Brophy who was the crews tailgunner ( a P/O is equiviant rank to an army sgt ). They often spne ttheir down time together at the sgt's mess on the airbase and always jokingly saluted each other and called each other "sir" even though they were of equal rank. The entrie crew of VRA were a typical 'family" in it for king and Country June 13th 1944 ,419 squadron was on a bombing mission along the boarder of Northern France and Belgium, the target was some railyards which the german army was transporting armour and supplies from. The mission finished the squadron was headed back to base ( 10th mission for VRA's crew ). On route home they were conned by the search lights but pilot Art Debyrne and his co pilot were able to get out of the cone but not before a JU88 night fighter spotted them. In a typical anto bomber attack the JU88 hit the belly of VRA with its upward firing 20mm cannons causing fatal damage to the airframe of the bomber. A fire broke out midline in the fusalage just forward of the midupper turret. Lt debryne orderd everyone to bale out as the hydro,.ics were shot through and the plane was going down. With the crew baling out Andy left his mid upper mount and headed forward to the escape hatch, he noticed that his friend Pat was stuck. The fire and shock damage from the cannon strikes ha warped the frame of the turret and he could not rotate it to allow him to escape. Seeing his friends predicatment Andy grabbed a fire axe and crawled aft through the burning hydrolic fluid to aid his friend. Pat tried to shout him off and pleaded him to jump but Andy spent several minutes hammering on the stuck turret hatch all while the plane fell from the sky and his uniform pants burnt.Unable to release the turret Andy finally followed pats advice and dropped the axe and turned to jump out the hatch,saluting his trapped friend an saying to him " I'm sorry Sir " Andy jumped his flight suit still ablaze. The bomber spiralled in with Pat still trapped in his turret, and when it hit the ground the force of the impact broke the rear ball turret and it's occupant free,rolling under a tree some 1000 yards from the wreck of the plane where it burnt out. Pat brophy shockingly survived the crash and walked away with bruises on his briuses as hesatted but beyond that no worse for thh wear, He and 4 of the other crew members became POW till the end of the war. Andy did not survive the burns he sustained as was the only member of the crew to perish, he's burried in Belgium today. Pat Brophy told the bomber command Andy's story after they were set free and Andrew Mynarski was given the Victoria Cross Posthumously in 1946. The crew stayed good friends and along with Andrew Mynarski's sister have attended the naming of schools and libraires and even a Lake in Manitoba that have occured over the years in his name. In 1987 on the eve of CWH's eneaugural flight for the Lancaster ( after close to 15 years of restoration ) the entire crew and Andy's sister were on hand as guests of honour,FM213 carries the sqaudron marks of the original VRA along with the decal Tom photographed on the nose that Comemorates air gunner Mynarski's selfless act. In fact CWH has the fire axe that Andy tried to save Pat with, it was donated to the musuem by a Belgian family in the 1990's their father had found the axe in the wreckage and had used it on his farm for years ! VRA has had the sad but important task last performed in 2003.It has overflown each funeral ceremony for the original VRA crew, the last in St Catharines Ontario for tailgunner Pat Brophy. A humble thank-you to all the air land and sea vets of every world war and conflict. Rob
Hello here's the first of my Remeberance day posts for everyone to puruse.As everyone know's the need to keep supplies constantly flowing to the front line trenched throughout the First World War was a logistical nightmare.Roads and supply trenches were constantly bombed,shelled and otherwise damaged by nature when the enemy wasn't. In order to keep supplies flowing, narrow guage raillines and lighter rail tramways ( usually animal powered ) had to be built and maintained all while in the sight of and under constant harrasment by the enemy. Here's a short story and description of the Canadain Railway corps and their involvement in keeping the supplies moving.
Story originally from the Esprit De Corps magazine the magazine of the Canadian Armed Forces.
" Thge Canadian contribution to railway construction on the Western Front was conciderable. In October 1914, as the Allied war effort was gearing up, the British War Office expressed it's need for railway troops. Many Canadians , fresh from the experiance of pushing railways accross the Dominion, answered the call. The Army Council said that it wanted formed units and not just a labour gang.Initially this was not acceptable to the Candian Govt. However in Feb,1915 Ottawa authorized the provision of 500 railway troops organized into two companies of the new Canadian Overseas Railway Construction Corps. In the first instance, all the soldiers in this unit came from the CPR and all had to pass a test of their abilities ( boot camp ) to join.Thus the quality of these railway troops was very high. They deployed to France by Oct of 1915, after training a moving to Europe they were first employed with the Belgians building 60cm gauge tramways. The following month, these companies joined the second British Army with their communications troops at Reningelst.
The existing railheads were 10 to 12 miles from the front lines.It was here that supplies were transhipped to mainly horsedrawn ( sometimes trucks )transports for movement of supplies and amunition to the staging areas immidiatly behind the trenches and artillery positions. In the preperations for the Battle of The Somme , it was decided to begin a program to move the railheads closer , by June 1916 to within 3 miles of the front. By this time tonnages of supplies and ammo that had to be moved were massive.For instance , 1,934 tons of supplies per mile of front were needed daily in the Fourth British Army Sector alone !
As it transpired, given the horrible condition of the ground over which the supplies had to be transported, three miles was still not close enough. Therefore , it was decided to install tramways to move supplies even further forward, sometimes right upto the rear trenches to replace as many horse drawn transports, mules or man-pack requirments as possible.Tramways were narrow guage tracks that could be laid and repaired quickly. Locomotion was provided by mechanical ( small gasoline locomotives ) animal or manpower.
The Canadian Corps was the leader in this type of tramway building.At Vimy Ridge, tramways were used to move soldiers and supplies forward quickly to perpare for the battle and to reneforce succcess.Small steel lines were laid right upto the assembly areas of attack,and then after sucess, forward into new positions.Casualties and prisoners were moved quickly backward. In preperation for the Passchendaele operation, Canadian unitscame into the Ypres salient.Because so much of the area was suseptable to German shellfire, there were about 100 breaks in the line that needed repairing every day.
Usually the railway units had the help of attached labour units,sometimes drawn from rear Allied troops, but often orienta workers were recruited espeacially for the job.Nor were railway troops only employed in the biuilding and operating of the lines.During the German offensive of 1918,some units had to act as infantry as well ! Luckily unlike the British and some of the others,Canada had always maintained that all soldiers engaged on work on or a near the front had to be basic infantry trained.
Throughout the coarse of the war,Canada eventually commited more and more railway troops.After the intial two companies, the contribution became two Battalions, then 5, then finally 10 Battalions eventually reaching 13 Battalions.3 speacialized companies and a railway shop company. Outside the western front a Canadian railway Bridging Company was employed in te middle east. The Director General transportation ( Construction ) of the whole of the British armies in France was Canadian Brigadier Jack Stewart.He formed an administrative HQ of Canadian Railway Troops at GHQ of The British and Empire armies.
From April 1917 to the end of the war, these units had built ( and maintained )1,169 miles of track, 1,404 miles of ligth tramway track.each and every day there were 8,000 men employed on construction of new track and 4,000 men on maintenance of existing track and tramways.From 1917 to the end of the war all light railway construction was done by Canadian troops and attached labour.Most of this work was done under the conditions of enemy action and from april 1st 1917, to end of war, Railway troops suffered 1,977 casualties.
Good evening again folks. Leon a large cr and a round for anyone else who's interested. Also a nice thick sirloin if there is one left,medium with the side of sauteed mushrooms. thanks one and all for the emails reguarding the recent unpleasantness,nice to see so many in Tom's corner , 5 x [tup for that fer sure fer sure.
Mike-Wonderfull set of theme related urls this evening good job.
Pete-Thanks for the link to that preserved loco and it's plaque. It truly is wonderfull to see things like that.Your friend Alan sounds like a man after my own heart. I have always found it enjoyable searching out the remanents of what was railway wise myself. Alot of history can still be found even in spote where tracks have been absent for many decades.
Lars-Those are two very powerfull and poinant posters, they do say it all. wishes to the corps from this side of the fence as well. I did a bit of checking ( my best man from our wedding is a retired CF reserve officer ) His unit and one that many memebers of my family served in, just celebrated it's 250 th.+ the actual date of the regiments start is a bit of a mystery as they were originally part of Rogers Rangers ( loyalist cavlry unit ) During the war of 1812 they were know as the 1st and second Lincoln Miltia reg. A many times great grandfather of mine was the captain in charge of their flank ( grenedier ) company during the Battle of Queenston Heights in 1812 and later , the Battle of Lundy's Lane in 1814. Just after the turn of the last centruy they Became the Lincoln and Welland Regiment, they still are today, they are CF reserve group attached to the Second RCR ( Royal Canadian Regement )Currently 40 of them are attached to the first RCR in Afganistan.
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house.
Semper Fi
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The Great War
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2005 Train of Remembrance
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Mike, U.S.Army 1966-68
Greetings Cap'n Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!
Ruth - a round on me and I'll take a frosty mug of Piels draft - thanks! Slide the snacks down my way wudja
My contribution for this 2-day recognition of the veterans of all the armed forces AND merchant marine who served their respective nations on the side of freedom and the pursuit of happiness.
First though - a Happy Birthday to the U. S. Marine Corps - by my count, they are 231 years old today! and many thanks for your service! 5- to all who wore the uniform!
Now for some WWII posters:
Hi Tom and all.
A cup of the excellent coffee and a bacon butty please RUTH. An early call as we shall be going out a bit later.
ERIC The locomotive in the pic is the Duchess of Sutherland # 6233, she is a member of what was officially called the Princess Coronation class. These were the premier express passenger locos of the LMS. After Corontion the first 4 were named after members of the Royal Family then another 10 named after Duchess,s with the remainder after cities which were served by the London Midland and Scottish Railway, apart from two #s 6244 King George V1 and #6256 Sir William A Stanier FRS who was the designer of the class. They were numbered 6220 to 6257 in LMS days gaining the prefix 4 in BR numbering.
There are 3 preserved of which 6233 is the only one in working order at the present. of the others, # 46229 Duchess of Hamilton is at present being fitted with a streamline casing in which the majority of the class appeared in when first built. It was like this when 46229 toured N. America desguised as the first of the class in 1939. This loco was the first Coronation to run in preservstion days. The third one preserved is # 46235 City of Birmingham in a museum of is namesake city, she has not run and is in the same condition as Crewe works prepared her for preservation.
Looking forward to the Post Car Pics Sunday.
DL Another great link to the Passenger Trains over Unusual Lines.
We had a railtrip up one of the Collery lines which passed close to the Colwich yards although it was long past when the yard was working it could be seen how large the yard once was. We occasionally used to get Colwich allocated locos usually B1s through Rugby on the Great Central line.
Interesting articles from the Guardian they are quite good as I have found that railways are a real blind spot with the main stream media in the UK.
Have recieved a Email from Alan thanking you for the info, he did not now about the Brewery tap or the saved station, searching old lines and railway buildings is a particular favourite of his..He his on a railtour Saturday which is visiting the Old Dalby Test Track and the Great Central line to Ruddington.
ROB Good to see you in and thanks for the Info on Car #1.
TOM Many thanks for posting that excellent and so well written article on the Veteran's train run by VIA .
I would like to mention a preserved loco which as been dedicated to the British Military Railway men who lost their lives in the World War II. It is a ex LMS 8f class of frieght locomotive which was built by the North British Locomotive Company of Glasgow Scotland in 1940. The loco was used in Persia in 1941 ferrying supplys to the Russians and was later in Egypt. It was in very poor condition after the war and was due to be scrapped , but instead was shipped back to England and was repared at Derby Works. It was saved and now runs on the Severn Valley Railway and no doubt will be involved at a rememberance service held on the railway this Sunday.
I have a link to the loco.
http://www.8fsociety.co.uk/home.
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Click on RE WW2 for a view of the plaque the loco carries.
Pete.
Good morning Ruth , a thermos of Joe and a number three if you would please thank-you. Had one H e double hockey sticks of a night at work yesterday busier than a cathouse on payday No Boris I wasn't talking about a supermarket , good grief. Well some quick responses , I'm sure that they are but perfect by times a tad short this am.
James- Nice to see your train submission, the work looks like it's progressing well. I do haev a bit of background knowledge on lil Joe's but my main love is the lighter electric rail vehicles ( streetcars and interurbans )
Nick-Those scalples were steilized right great shots from the trains and I had to laugh at the money salesman story never overlook a "resorce" as I say.
Tom-great replay of that article from last years train. At least the proper procedures were done at the train, too bad that the media missed out ( not supprised really ) This yeasr hasn't had much TV coverage , but the local cage linners have run colums so that's a start at anyrate. Sounds like the train satrted out yesterday with a load of warbrides ( parliament is calling this year the year of the warbride )
Pete-yes that RM car's body was saved, unfortunatly when the car was retired in 1930 OC transpo used it for salt storage until the end of streetcar operations in 1956 ( ie much restoration required as it's an all wood car save the running gear which was scrapped )
Eric-yes most of the city system disappeared in the 40's an 50's big oil and bus comapnied I'm affraid. Hopefully more systems will spring up all will be of te light rail type I should think though.Toronto had a scare recently as well. One of the leading mayoral candidated ( elections monday ) wants streetcars gone she thinks that they are ugly and inefficient. Right now she's at least 30 pioint s behinfd the sitting mayor. Unfortunatly local ie city elections in the province are never well turned out for so we shall keep our fingers crossed/
Well I know I've missed a fee apologies I sahll return agian tonight and atempt to right the wrong. Oh Tom email sent to the manager and one to you as well.Thanks for the free rounds.
Good afternoon Tom
Thank you for taking the trouble to re-post that excellent article - no more comment necessary - I'll settle for a neat scotch whilost I'm here.
Regards to all
DL
Around this time last year I came across an article in a Transport2000Canada newsletter that flicked my switch. I ran it for the guys and thought that since we have some new guys, perhaps they would enjoy it too. Enjoy - either as a rerun or for the 1st time!
Here’s something a bit different that I found in my latest TransportAction newsletter from Transport2000Canada, Vol 27, No. 6, Dec 05, 2005. The article has been retyped with permission from the author, which I profoundly express my appreciation. Hope all of you enjoy it. A Trip to Remember (Marcus Garnet, President, T2000 Atlantic) My wife, Christine, and I had been looking forward to riding VIA Rail’s Remembrance Day Train ever since we had booked our trip from Halifax to Montreal. This train was, in fact, a special expanded version of VIA’s regular Ocean run, and left Halifax on November 9th, two days before Remembrance Day. The general public were permitted to ride in addition to veterans, who were especially encouraged to be part of this historic trip. They would transfer in Montreal to Train 33 to continue their journey to Ottawa the following morning. The idea for the commemorative trip during the Year of the Veteran had arisen many months previously, with a suggestion made at the Halifax ticket office and the dedicated initiative of Ronald Jackson, one of the VIA agents there. Many other VIA staff members and external organizations worked together to make the trip a success. When we arrived at the Halifax station we were greeted by a red carpet. An on-veterans we felt unworthy to tread on it, but this was only the beginning. Many thoughtful touches gave a period feel, including a shoe-shiner offering his services for 25 cents, who later rode on the train itself. The booking hall abounded with uniformed military people and displays of photos and war memorabilia. We were immediately reminded of the personal cost which so many have paid to protect freedom and democracy in Canada and other nations, including my homeland – the United Kingdom. My parents had often told me of the hardships of growing up in England during World War II. More recently, and over in Canada, Christine’s late father was well known and loved by the patients whom he had faithfully visited for many years at the Camp Hill Veteran’s Memorial Hospital. After checking our luggage we took turns to look at the displays, before a staff member exhorted us to get on board. We walked down another red carpet, awed by the ranks of military personnel standing at attention on either side. We gazed along the platform between two endless rows of gleaming stainless steel railcars, each door guarded by a uniformed military person as well as the helpful VIA Rail staff. We heard that the 33-car train (including three engines, two domes, three diners, three coaches and a baggage car) would be the longest to operate on this route since World War II, and would carry approximately 420 passenger once those from Moncton had embarked. Because of its length, the train was parked at the station in two halves and later coupled together. After moving into our double bedroom we hastened to the dome in the Park Car, and watched the enormous train pull out of Halifax, recalling the troop trains that connected with ships to and from Europe so many years ago. Along the historic railway cut, people stood on the many bridges looking down at our train and waved to us. The Halifax Herald printed a special page with the words “Thank You” accompanied by a bright red poppy, and many onlookers held these up as signs while our train passed. There were many media reporters on board with their TV cameras, and some remained on the train for the entire trip. Seated up in the dome, we had a panoramic view and felt humbled by the privilege of participating in such a special occasion. Soon we could see the whole train stretched out alongside the Bedford Basin, reminding us of the wartime convoys which had been assembled there, and which many veterans had helped to protect. Before boarding we had been given a paper assigning us to one of the three diners on the train, which for the occasion were termed “Mess Halls.” There were tow sittings for lunch and three for supper, while breakfast was also available the following morning. Walking down the endless corridors to “Mess Hall 2,” it was easy to see that more than half the passengers were veterans. Signs outside their bedrooms indicated the name and military position, and in our diner there were plenty of uniforms and colourful badges. At one of the meals we made friends with an older couple who told us of family members who had lost their lives while fighting overseas in World War II. It was a reminder than many who fought never returned, and that this train was also a tribute to them. After our first meal on board, we waited for our bill, but it never came. We were told that all meals were complimentary, sponsored by Atlantic Superstore and VIA Rail. The food was very enjoyable, served by an attentive and efficient staff. Throughout the journey, we appreciated the enthusiastic attitude and helpfulness of VIA employees. This was all the more impressive in view of the large numbers who needed to be accommodated, some of whom had special needs. It seemed that every detail had been anticipated, including the provision of a volunteer paramedic who assisted several passengers enroute. Our train was enthusiastically welcomed at the many Maritime communities we passed through. Some people held up “Thank You” signs in their own yards. Others were parked near grade crossings to anticipate our arrival. One or two stood alone and saluted the train as it passed. At Truro, crowds of children lined their schoolyard fence and waved. Crossing the Tantramar marshes, we were greed by two deer romping in a nearby field with the train curving around almost as a backdrop – a magnificent sight! At each station, a home-grown welcome awaited us, a band, a choir, a troupe of cadets standing at attention. At Moncton, we took a brief walk outside and almost got lost in the crowd following the pipe band marching up the platform. There were poignant greetings at the tiny communities served by flagstops, where people had gone far out of their wa Happy Railroading! Siberianmo siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "OUR" PLACE - Adults talking Classic Trains in a special place since April 12th, 2005! Posted by siberianmo on Friday, November 10, 2006 5:51 AM G’day Gents! The end of the week has arrived. What better way to prepare for the week end than to enjoy some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, pour a mug of freshly ground ‘n brewed hot coffee and maybe order a selection from our Menu Board of <light> and <traditional> breakfasts! I should tell y’all up front that I’m going to be in ‘n out this morning and into early afternoon – so it’s really up to YOU! With CM3 on his federal holiday, perhaps someone will come along to bail us out this AM. We’ll see. Thanx Lars for communicating with the guys last night on your visit to the bar – hopefully the Email “in” boxes have been checked by now. If there’s anyone who hasn’t figured out what’s going on – send me an Email. If anyone is having problems figuring out how to contact the Forums Manager, here’s “how” – (1) at the bottom of this page you will find “contact us” – click it (2) fill out the form; be sure to scroll down to get it all (3) in the “select the topic of your interest or question ” block – click “forums Manager” (4) be sure to fill out the “CODE VALIDATION” block (5) submit An interesting – but again – slow day yesterday with some increased activity in the evening. Some acknowledgments: From yesterday: DL at 9:23 AM – CM3 at 10:35 AM – Lars at 4:27 PM ‘n 7:51 PM – Nick at 6:41 PM – James at 9:32 PM ‘n Pete at 10:17 PM! From today: Eric at 1:03 AM ‘n DL at 5:32 AM! Glad to have you aboard and appreciate the business! KaChing, KaChing If I’ve failed to address anything for me, I’ll get AROUNDTUIT! <grin> Emails received from Mike ‘n Pete – THANX! Responses sent. I’m going to keep this brief so that I can get to my “kick off” for the Veterans Day – Remembrance Day – Armistice Day Posts that will continue into tomorrow. Boris, serve ‘em all of the “spiked” OJ they can handle! Remember: Ruth comes in at 9 AM and remains behind the bar ‘til Leon takes over at 5 PM! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Friday, November 10, 2006 5:32 AM Morning Tom I’ll have the full breakfast with plenty of coffee. Hey, Lars – what’s going on with this Tweeting? Can’t a guy call in and drop of a message for his pal? Some hard management techniques you must have picked up – I can only assume in some of the less salubrious taverns in New York City you have clearly spent time frequenting, the less said about them the better I suspect….!!! Miner – thanks for your tribute – esoteric information eh? I guess I’ve learned to be frustrated with information books that say things like “near the town square you will find an excellent….” – well, I need to now how near, what direction, how do I get there etc etc. Actually – this calls for a listing of one of my all time favourite esoteric websites. Helps if you have UK geographical knowledge but I think even without that others will be amused – essentially this is an effort to catalogue the trains in passenger timetables that take an unusual / obscure or otherwise unused route between points A & B when all other services between A&B take a different more regular route. The compiler of this site deserves a toast in my opinion! http://www.psul4all.free-online.co.uk/intro.htm Eric – cold Kimberley bitter – ooh no – ‘fraid not – I isolated the cooler in that part of the cellar to avoid ruining the lovely stuff with those tendencies – have a warm Bud on me instead!! You asked about the Pendolino line speed – well they were designed for max operating speed of 140mph in regular service – but the lines concerned needed to be upgraded to allow that – Railtrack (the privatised successor to BR) intended to do this and embarked on a multi million pound investment project (ultimately paid for by government) – their project management skills were so bad that this all went belly up leading to the eventual collapse of Railtrack and the de-facto re-nationalisation of the track under Network Rail. In salvaging the wreckage, the 140mph plan was scrapped and the max operating line speed in regular use is now 125mph. Virgin Trains walked with compensation for contract breach I think (again paid for by the taxpayer - surprise surprise) Couple of really interesting articles about this debacle are here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1183118,00.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1183226,00.html Pete – yes, Toton still a big operation, it was matched of course by the LNER local equivalent at Colwick – now wiped off the face of the earth but locals here recall it well. For others – these two big yards were focussed on concentrating coal wagons coming from the large east midlands coalfield and organising them for on ward transhipment (in a way that you will of course be familiar with). APT – vs Pendiolino – agree with your comments – I assume Virgin were frightened that some smart journalist might work out that they were only a few minutes off the APT record and run a story along the lines of “so 22 years on, over £7 billion invested in the west coast main line, a fleet of brand new hi tech trains – and you can’t even beat the record BR set with the APT” (yes folks that b in billion is not a misprint!) Hope your friends can make that Nottingham trip and have a most enjoyable day – meanwhile I salute your mileage on the Stirling round trip – well done sir! Finally, Nick – just had time to download and print off the ONR / ACR article from your photobucket – MANY MANY thanks – really enjoyed it and will keep it until I do the run – I wonder what became of the author – he certainly got the red carpet treatment on the ACR run. Nice to see the other pics on those pages too – loved the Dublo scan, and liked the band pics – which one is your good self?. Of course I won’t be logging in to your pics without invitation again. Hope all is OK – I seemed to have a problem ‘logging out’ as the page crashed when I pressed log out – I trust all will be well when you revisit it. Appreciate your kind efforts. ‘my wife left me and I’m going bald’ – it’s a genre with a long tradition. I guess if the guy (Mr Collins) is a railway modeller we should accord him the respect he deserves for that though – the guy needs to fund the hobby somehow no doubt – maybe that is what annoyed the wife? Finally – spotted this as part of the editorial of the UK Guardian couple of days back (This is one of the 5 so called ‘quality’ national papers in the UK): I’ve pasted it below – not bad publicity for the services Government and the companies that operate them would like to forget: In praise of ... sleeper trainsLeaderTuesday November 7, 2006The Guardian Eurostar long ago abandoned plans to run direct sleepers from Glasgow, Plymouth and Swansea to mainland Europe. Demand for luxury cabins was thought to be too low, and there were doubts about whether British engines would be powerful enough to flush the extra toilets. The unused new stock was quietly sold off to a Canadian firm. Like night mail trains, sleeping cars seemed an unviable relic. But that was before environmental concerns and irksome airport security gave them a new lease of life. Fortunately, Britons still have two overnight routes at their disposal - the Caledonian Sleeper, which will run until at least 2011, and the Night Riviera to Penzance, now safe until 2013. Rumours that the latter could be axed gave it badly needed publicity: the train is full on many nights and First Great Western now considers it "extremely viable". Both services are now smartening up their British Rail-era berths and improving their breakfasts. This minor renaissance comes despite the difficulty of booking cabins online and the fact that the most accessible guide to the Caledonian Sleeper network comes not from its operator, but the rail enthusiast who runs the seat61.com website. Sleepers are unlikely to keep Ryanair's chief executive awake at night, and they are no substitute for a high-speed rail network. Nonetheless, their survival and possible growth suggests a decade-long infatuation with the cheap, fraught and comfortless short-haul flight may be slowing. EricX2000 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Phoenix, AZ 683 posts Posted by EricX2000 on Friday, November 10, 2006 1:03 AM Good morning Captain TRom and Gentlemen!! Boris, I'll have Rumpsteak Café de Paris and a cold Kimberley Bitter! Free!! Thank you Tom! Doug – What was max speed allowed for the Pendolino in that record breaking attempt? The X2000 runs the 283.3 miles between Stockholm and Gothenburg in 2 hrs 53 minutes including one stop. Average speed from start to stop is 98.3 mph. Max allowed speed is 125 mph. Tom – I understood that Juneau is the boss!! Cracker Barrel Old Country Store. That is where I go for lunch every workday. I have been doing that for almost 9 years now and I am very regular, 2,193 visits so far. So regular that CB featured me on their website for a couple of years as a big CB fan. Even the local newspaper here had an article about me (How can anyone be so stupid, going to the same restaurant every day?). Anyway, I was not happy with their Customer Service last year. When you wrote to them you got a form letter back and I hate form letters. If I write something for a person or business I expect something back that is written for me, not a form letter. That is an insult. Now it has changed. I have a picture showing all the fumes, coming from those RDCs, being sucked into X2000. I’ll show it on Sunday. I will also show some pictures of old post cars from Sweden on Sunday. DL – If I get to UK again I have to taste that Kimberley Bitter. CM3 – That figures. The trucks/freeways killed the RPOs. Lars – Thanks for the link. So there is actually one RPO still in service! Nick – I usually say that fish is for cats, but I am sure you know how to make it taste super! James – I will buy that book as soon as I find it. I’ll check that new book too. Pete – I am trying to read the name on that locomotive but I can’t see what it is. Does it say “Something” of Sunderland? Finally I don't understand for what reason someone would use a cyber name like "siberianblo" except for make people believe he is somebody else (with a very similar name). It is pathetic and I hope the Forum manager stops it. Eric pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, November 9, 2006 10:17 PM Hi Tom and all. I see Tom has offered to get the drinks and the food in to celebrate the 8,500 post so a pint of the usual and the Cod , Chips and Mushy Peas from tonights NICK's menu. please LEON. ROB That was good news that the Royal Mail car body was saved, hopefully it can be restored to its former splendour.. NICK Great story on the Great Train robbery, London was only 80 miles from us but it was like another world. Thanks for the Brit model locos. The King and the Duchess are fine models. As you say they would not have been seen on The Somerset & Dorset in BR days, but considering where this class of loco have been in preservation days like the King on the Settle & Carlisle and the Duchess at Kings Cross, Plymouth etc perhaps if the S&D was open today it may well have seen these classes if the line had been upgraded. JAMES Good pics around your loco depot, the 2-10-2 sure is a fine model. The date of the train robbery was August 8th 1963 and like ERIC I can hardly believe it was 43 Years ago. MIKE Many thanks for the links, I see on the map it has got the Missori as the "Carrollton River" as it passes through mid Missouri. Really enjoyed the link to the Glasgow area lines in the 70s to 90s I think NICK and DL will like them too, loved the pic of the Swindon built class 120 Diesel Multiple Unit at Paisley. You were right about John Logie Baird and the first TV signal. The first one was sent from the Caledonian Hotel inside Glasgow Central station.. DL Yes Toton was a vast marshalling yard in steam days and I believe it is still the main depot for EWS today. I have visited the depot a few times, the first visit was after steam had finished but the roundhouses were still standing. On one visit all 10 of the class 44 peaks were on shed by then the class worked mainly the unfitted coal trains not straying far from Toton depot. The depot used to hold some really good open days, the last time I was there the first 5 EWS class 66s had just been delivered which is a few years ago now. I did do a day trip last June from Rugby to Stirling down to London and up the East Coast and back via the West Coast. I will have to go to the Basset Lowke house next time I am over, I believe there are some excellent ship models by Basset Lowke in the Liverpool Maritime museum, if I remember right. We were hoping to get to Nottingham on our last visit but unfortunatly could not fit it in,so it looks like I will missout on the Kimberley but MANY thanks for the info I have passed it on to the two Alans. The APT V Pendelino article was very interesting. I suppose they are right saying that it is the fastest Glasgow TO London trip,If they had been more open about the APT Northbound record it would, as the article said, still not have detracted from what was still a great feat. I must admit I wondered at the time why it was a Southbound trip. CM3. The saying about the factory fire is a little close to the truth some times. There has been a few mysterious fires in the UK in empty listed buildings. LARS Thanks to the link to the Oil Creek & Titusville RR and its RPO,great reading. Although I suppose I should defend Mr Collins as a fellow Brit I have to be honest and say if he was at Pat's Place and it was free beer I still wouldn't go to see him,OK I suppose that is a bit over the top, if it was free beer I might go. There again if it was free beer I would go and listen to BORIS singing selections from the Sound of Music. TOM I hope I havent trodden on any toes with the P. Collins comment. Not doing too good tonight I cant believe what is going on with the forum and I managed to delete my post when it was ready for posting, better luck this time. Anyway we have the CGW to look forward to Tuesday.. To cheer me up here is a big red engine. .Pete. CMSTPP Member sinceAugust 2005 From: Along the old Milwaukee Road. 1,152 posts Posted by CMSTPP on Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:32 PM G-day Tom and all present. Leon- I know it's late but I am hungry, could you get me those Fish n' chips please. Tom- Infact I did recieve your e-mail, and I hope it has been resolved. I am sorry I never responded to you. I have been one busy guy these last few days. So the e-mail has been somewhat left out, which I should probably get back to it. BTW: I realize that my ballast looks unbelievably white, but it is actually a grey color. The flash on the camera eluminates anything that is white. Maybe I will figure out how to shut off the flash at some point or take the picture with my Nikon Camera. Nick- Thanks for comments on the pic. BTW: Ballast, I understand that it looks really white but I assure you that it is a grey color. I will probably get a shot with the Nikon next time. Mike- I saw the pictures and that is E-50. Infact that is the locomotive that is located at the Duluth museum. That exact Box cab is on display. Eric- Well I am glad you liked the book and maybe you can buy it some time, if your interested. RDCs. You just have to love them. There one of those that just makes you...well..feel all happy to know that some are still running. Thanks for the comments on my pics. Speaking of books. I just got a brand new Milwaukee road book. I have been detailing and adding decals to a friends cars and in return he gave me one of his fresh off the press books. I don't know if you know Patrick C. Dorin, but he is an author who loves trains. His books are well done and very informative. The book I got from him is called, The Milwaukee Road Passenger Train service. By: Patrick C. Dorin. So, Eric, if you are looking for a good book I would recommend some of his books. DL- Yes, Airlines have gone over well here since were a much more vast country, so it does make sence why they would discontinue the mail train. And to your cork question, I would have no idea. CM3- good to see that you liked the pics. I think a couple more locomotives sitting in or around the engine shed would be better. And probably a couple more people figurs to make it look as if it were more busy around there. Well, I will post on Monday, so have a good weekend gentlemen! Happy railroading James The Milwaukee Road From Miles City, Montana, to Avery, Idaho. The Mighty Milwaukee's Rocky Mountain Division. Visit: http://www.sd45.com/milwaukeeroad/index.htm LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts "OUR" PLACE - Adults talking Classic Trains in a special place since April 12th, 2005! Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, November 9, 2006 7:51 PM Greetings Cap'n Tom and fellow travelers at the bar! Leon, I'll take one of those 'freebies' Tom has provided for all who entrered the November Contest! A Schaefer in a frosty mug if you please! GENTLEMEN, check your email in boxes! Nice menu from our Chief Chef Nick - makes me hungry just reading it! So, I think I'll meander over to the booth in the corner and partake . . . Looking foward to the activities of tomorrow and the weekend - although, perhaps we'll be suffering from a "lock down" if this latest TROLL continues with the nonsense on the Forum. "siberianblo" indeed! What a jerk. Boris, if you see a TROLL out back, stomp it! On that note, I'll have another! Until the next time! Lars nickinwestwales Member sinceApril 2005 901 posts Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, November 9, 2006 6:41 PM Well good evening one and all,Leon-a quick bottle or two before I slide out to the galley and whip Boris & Copperkettle into shape,and a round for the chaps whilst I`ve got ny wallet out...... Looks like I`ve started something with my opinions R.E Phil Collins-(another railway modeller BTW)--In my opinion,as a muso,he is a great drummer (listen to any of the Genesis albums,also his work with jazz band `Brand X`),when he took over lead vocals from Peter Gabriel he kept the band working ( I was lucky enough to see them at Knebworth in the late `70`s (although not a patch on Led Zeppelin with the New Barbarians as support.....)and they were brilliant-the drum solo/duet with him and Chester Thompson was awesome,but his solo work seems to revolve around the themes of "my wife left me and I`m going bald" Dont get me wrong,He produces well crafted albums with nice `easy listening` tunes but man,they are depressing..............................Give me `The Lamb lies down on Broadway` any day O.K-- over with Right,it`s the galley for me before I alienate any more of our customers with my outre views......... Well,I had a wander around Mentor market this morning and it looks like tonights specials are:- Starters, Chinese style Shark fin soup Tiger Prawns with sweet chilli sauce Smoked Trout Fillet with mustard butter Creamed mixed mushroom and herb crepes Mains:- middle cut of Skate with beurre noisette sauce Grilled Red Snapper with `s salad & garlic bread Cod in beer batter with mushy peas and chips (For the Brits)--pickled eggs also available Dover sole ,pan fried in breadcrumbs with a `s salad and choice of potato dish Spiced Filo vegetable parcels with mixed rices Venison steaks with cranberry and garlic sauce O.K-I`m out of here,lets to the galley and get working ,bon appetite ladies and gents ,see you all later,nick LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts "OUR" PLACE - Adults talking Classic Trains in a special place since April 12th, 2005! Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, November 9, 2006 4:27 PM <psssssst! pssssssst!> < Hey Buddy!> <Wanna buy a Rolex?> <No?> <How about a box of chocolate bars?> Greetings Cap'n Tom and fellow travelers at the bar! Ruth my deAH, I'd like a frosty mug of Shaefer, a half-sandwich of my favorite - ham 'n Swiss with mustAHd 'n buttAH and two large pickles from the barrel. Yes, a saucer of brine for Tex, half dozen ice cubes for Frostbite, a tin o' worms for Awk and a soup bone for Juneau! <phew> Man, do I remember those days in some of the dives I used to stop off at on the way home from the ship! For anyone out there who has no clue regarding what could have been purchased in the taverns of New York - well, all I can say is you're in dire need of an education! Enjoyed the trip back to those times! So, how long did that Buick last <grin> Another strange day in the daylight here at the bar - and from the looks of things, I'd say this is the trend we're currently on. Can you imagine this place without CM3 I'm NOT Shane! or DL Would be rather grim I'd say. Can't expect Cap'n Tom to shoulder the load each day by himself. We've traveled that tenuous road B4 and the results weren't good at all. Hope this isn't an indication of things to come . . . So, tomorrow begins the long weekend (for some). A federal holiday here in the U.S. as the Veteran's Day holiday falls on Saturday. Wonder why Congress hasn't screwed up this holiday and turned it into a Monday affair Not that I want them to, but I'm surprised they left it alone. Seems like only the shopping centers benefit from these holidays for I'm not seeing very much civic anything for the Vets. I'm still rather "sick" regarding the results from Tuesday's election. I think we're in for a stormy two years and there's NO WAY that I believe the change of leadership in Congress will work for the benefit of the people who put them there! Good choice for next week's "Theme" - hope we continue to demonstrate the enthusiasm for these events and the contributions are plenty. Eric, the OC&T RPO actually is sanctioned by the U.S. Postal Service and remains "operational." Check out this site: http://www.americanheritage.com/travel/articles/web/20060908-titusville-oil-pennsylvania-edwin-drake.shtml Put me "down" as a Phil Collins fan too! The Mrs. LOVES the guy - and I'm not sure why Just a "wheezy" little Brit! But seriously, do enjoy the man's music and his talent shows throughout all of the performances we've attended. Hey Tom! Did DL get away with escaping the wrath of the "TWEET" Seems like that rather long "private" message to Pete was a bit out of bounds, dontchathink I know that I'm just the Manager, and YOU are in charge of the "TWEETER," but . . . . <grin> Must interject, even though the conversation was "private," that list of Pubs is outstanding, simply outstanding. By my count there's 25 watering holes and all within stops along the transit lines. Nice. I hope to be back tomorrow, however no promises. Got some heavy duty things to take care of and the way things are shaping up, this weekend may be anything but pleasant. <ugh> Hope I'm wrong for I do want to particpate in our commemoration of the Vets Day event. Enjoy the Fish 'n Chips - I've "sampled" the makings and things are shaping up quite well in the galley! at 5 PM! Until the next time! Manager Lars siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "OUR" PLACE - Adults talking Classic Trains in a special place since April 12th, 2005! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, November 9, 2006 1:38 PM Tuesday’s THEME for the Day is Chicago Great Western (CGW)! Watch for the arrivals on track #1 throughout the day! Tom h Happy Railroading! Siberianmo coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, November 9, 2006 10:35 AM Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; will partake of freebies so graciously provided by our ‘steamed proprietor. Rain is moving out although we had enough of it and fog as well. Gas holds at $2.26 when I fed the beast this a.m. Tom – Thanks for toy train history, and the kind words re the rerun. The u/g economy still thrives in the places you mentioned which reminds me of the old story: Two businessmen are sitting in a bar. One says to the other “Sorry to hear that your factory burned down.” The second man replies, “Sshh! It’s tomorrow night.” DL is a master of esoteric information (my compliments, sir). I have seen lots of beer (and other substances) consumed on the MBTA over the years; much of it as carry ons by the passengers. Lars and Pete provided a nice set of general commentary and reflections. Rob – Good advice. I have been archiving stuff for awhile anyway; that search took awhile. Nick – Don’t be so hard on yourself. We have the WV legislature. Thanks so much for sharing the fine collection of power; vintage and more modern. James – Thanks for the layout shots. Mike – Rent a tuxedo? That means we can’t wear the blue jeans and suspenders? I’ll send the Springer to accept the award – he’s already dressed appropriately (LOL). My, my, what a fine litho of that MILW electric. The guide book has been downloaded. Also thanks for RDC4 shots; take a look at what’s behind the RDC4 in the first picture. The photos show how the RDC4s were laid out. The design was basically the same from railroad to railroad. B4 it slips what’s left of my memory, Boston and Maine had RDC9s as well; these were cabless RDCs – looked like passenger coaches with the typical RDC roofline. Consist for what passed for an RDC longhaul train might be RDC4/RDC9/RDC9/RDC1. You get the idea. All were powered and could mu from the cab of the first unit.. Eric – most of the RPOs disappeared in the 50’s or a little later when the Interstate network began to get filled in. I-95 about killed the New Haven; and I-90 about killed the dearly beloved (NYC). I am contributing extra cash today so folks can toast absent friends appropriately over the weekend (so many as we get older) Will be offline tomorrow. Oh, almost forgot – the newest issue of C&O History is devoted to “George Washington” dining car china; with lovely color shots of gold bordered plates, etc. I’ll see if I can find some sample menus in the east wing and post them. That’ll give the chief chef and his minions some ideas. I heard there was still some of the Old Fashioned RR Stew left over from the darts tournament; I hope it’s just an ugly rumor that it’s being fed to the denizens of the yak pen down near the Mentor and Southern Narrow Gauge roundhouse. Sorry Boris, I didn’t realize the relatives were in early for Thanksgiving. Work safe DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Thursday, November 9, 2006 9:23 AM Hi Ruth - no order for me - just popped in to drop this message off for Pete - can you pass it on when he calls by? Oh, and message for Tom - if you are actually a Phil Collins fan you will certainly enjoy the film Buster. Pete – Kimberly location guide for your friends with my compliments. They should try and get the visit in before mid December as the word is they will cease brewing at end of year so I expect they are trying to fake the taste in Suffolk even now. The Nottingham Tram operators publish a handy pocket guide book called ‘Beer by Tram’ which is on their website (often paper copies are available from a Tram Conductor). In case not they can download from here. http://www.thetram.net/attractions/default.asp http://www.thetram.net/attractions/beerbytram/default.asp If arriving by train access to the Tram is from the footbridge at the middle of the station (not the main concourse area). It may also be worth purchasing a ‘Nottingham Express Transit Tram Add on Fare’ to the usual rail ticket at the outset of the journey if this is still available – otherwise an all day tram ticket costs £2.20 or if there is a group of people there is some sort of group ticket. Not many of the pubs on the route guide are Kimberley Pubs (NOTE – all Kimberley Pubs are now branded Hardy’s and Hanson’s which they adopted about 2 years ago – hardly anyone calls them that though). They also now have Green King brews on the bar alongside the Kimberely brews Anyway, I recommend: The Bell, Old Market Square (2 mins walk from Old Market Square Tram Stop) – they sell Kimberly Bitter and Mild and usually a special from the brewery too. (Be careful to avoid ‘Kimberly Dark’ a bad keg version of the mild – some staff don’t know the difference - watch them pull the right thing!) You can use www.multipmap.com or www.streetmap.co.uk with the postcode to get a map, postcode for Bell Inn is – NG1 6HL From there it is a 10 minute or less walk to Ye Olde Trip to JerusalemBrewhouse YardNottingham EnglandNG1 6AD http://www.triptojerusalem.com/castle_rock.php A pub you have mentioned before and one that needs no introduction. Location is near the castle rock – follow the walls of the Castle round until you find it. They will sell Kimberley Bitter and Mild and also Olde Trip – a Kimberley brew done specially for this pub. At both of these pubs the beer is well kept and in good condition. Even without the tram they are less than 20 mins walk from Midland Station. If making a special journey anyway I’d strongly recommend taking the bus out to Kimberley village itself. They have a very good pub very close to the Brewery called the ‘Nelson and Railway’ – you can enjoy a few beers and pay homage to the superb brewery buildings. Also nearby is the old GNR Kimberley station (line long closed) which seems to serve as the Brewery staff social club (I wonder for how much longer). Ask to be put off the bus ‘as near as possible to the Brewery’, you will then be near this pub. Getting out there is very simple. Take Trent- Barton - Route ‘Rainbow 1 (R1)’ towards Eastwood - runs every 10 minutes during day – 30 mins in evening. From Nottingham Victoria Bus Station (site of Nottingham Victoria Railway Station of course) - with a pick up point on Upper Parliament Street closer to Old Market Square if one was coming from The Bell for example. See http://www.trentbuses.co.uk/ Route timetable here http://www.trentbuses.co.uk/timetables/times/index.html?rain1easnot.html Pick up for service R1 on Upper Parliament Street is Stop ‘E’ on map link below outside old Elite Cinema (not a cinema any more) on Upper Parliament Street north of Market Square http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/www/maps/g_lib/ccbt%20portrait.pdf Worth the journey in my view. If they want to stay on the tram route a few of other good pubs (but not Kimberely ones) on the tram list are: The Newstead Abbey at Bulwell Forest stop which claims to sell Tetley Dark Mild – unusual for these parts Fox and Crown near Basford stop – a micro brewery pub but food is v good (ring first to check food is on) – food in Kimberly pubs is not their strongest point! Horse and Groom – Shipstone Street – right next to Old Shiptones Brewery and former brewery tap, Brewery is an impressive building – they usually serve Belvoir Bitter – a micro brew recreation of the old Shipstones brew. Use the Beer by Tram link to get exact directions from tram stop to pub – all stops have info boards with a decent local street map to help orientate oneself when getting off. The recommended pubs are usually marked on these maps. Kimberley website may list other pubs, there is one round back (east) side of Victoria Centre that is quite good, can't recall name but if you walk through near where market is you come out beside it - must have been on east side of old GCR Victoria Station at one time : www.hardysandhansons.plc.uk Hope this helps DL siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "OUR" PLACE - Adults talking Classic Trains in a special place since April 12th, 2005! Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, November 9, 2006 8:26 AM Good G’day Gents! Okay – let’s try this AGAIN! To the acknowledgments: Rob at 7:51 PM yesterday: Must have “just” missed each other, eh Metric – hmmmmm, didn’t give THAT a thought! Any coverage of the VIA Rail special train to Halifax in your part of the “woods” Bet not very much. There should’ve been lotsa Pix, etc. But as with last year, the press simply didn’t pick up on the event insofar as the train itself was concerned. Pity. Nick at 8:19 PM and 9:54 PM yesterday: <whoa!> Phil Collins is a masterful and complete entertainer with or without Genesis. I OBJECT to those aspersions and omissions! <swg] Psssssssst, hey buddy, wanna buy some bank notes Reminds me of a bar or three I used to frequent in my younger days (daze) in New York City or Boston where one could acquire just about anything at the local tavern. One night a guy even tried to sell of NEW BUICKS! Yup, seems a shipment destined for overseas somehow would up being “left” at the pier as the ship sailed away. An enterprising soul he, decided to pursue the “gift” from heaven. <grin> Pssssst, hey buddy, wanna buy . . . . Love it! What an impressive array of loco’s in those Pix! Outstanding and perhaps one day I’ll have the privilege of viewing them up front and personal, so to speak. Nicely done! James at 9:13 PM yesterday: An interesting set of Pix. I’ve used the white crushed limestone in one of my tunnels – more to get rid of the stuff than anything else. Had to buy a larger quantity than required for my landscaping needs. I’ve seen white roadbed in my rail travels – not very often and it doesn’t remain white for very long. I haven’t received a response to my Email to you of several days ago. Also, your cork roadbed commentaries have had input from the other side of it. LMCH9586 at 9:16 PM: A “locked” Post and “one-way” at that. Obviously someone who doesn’t want to engage here at the bar and one has to wonder why in the world the Post was made at all. Mike at 11:54 PM yesterday: Really “dig” the RDCs you provided by way of the URLs! Don’t know what it is, but each ‘n every time I view those beauties – well, I just wanna climb aboard! Thanx! You may have been the “one” to reach the 8,500 mark AND you didn’t play the game! Isn’t that THE way it works Eric at 1:11 AM today: Juneau is 3 ½ years by human counting and is a neutered male. He rules the roost ‘round here and reminds us of it constantly! Yes, the name is appropriate for the breed – especially given my affinity for Alaska and so forth. Previous Husky was named Fred – not my doing and before my time. Anyway, he lived for 16 years and 2 months – was also a neutered male – had long hair (similar to a Collie) and was as gentle as a lamb. Juneau is a tiger in disguise. Cracker Barrel I think I’ve missed the point! Nothing new at my age. RDCs were at idle – hmmmmm, was it winter I believe the practice was to keep ‘em running due to the time it took to generate sufficient heat for those cars. And of course, who cared about fuel costs <groan> A bit surprised they didn’t have “shore tie” capability. Curious about all of that. Happy Railroading! Siberianmo « First«14151617181920»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
A Trip to Remember
(Marcus Garnet, President, T2000 Atlantic)
My wife, Christine, and I had been looking forward to riding VIA Rail’s Remembrance Day Train ever since we had booked our trip from Halifax to Montreal. This train was, in fact, a special expanded version of VIA’s regular Ocean run, and left Halifax on November 9th, two days before Remembrance Day. The general public were permitted to ride in addition to veterans, who were especially encouraged to be part of this historic trip. They would transfer in Montreal to Train 33 to continue their journey to Ottawa the following morning.
The idea for the commemorative trip during the Year of the Veteran had arisen many months previously, with a suggestion made at the Halifax ticket office and the dedicated initiative of Ronald Jackson, one of the VIA agents there. Many other VIA staff members and external organizations worked together to make the trip a success.
When we arrived at the Halifax station we were greeted by a red carpet. An on-veterans we felt unworthy to tread on it, but this was only the beginning. Many thoughtful touches gave a period feel, including a shoe-shiner offering his services for 25 cents, who later rode on the train itself. The booking hall abounded with uniformed military people and displays of photos and war memorabilia.
We were immediately reminded of the personal cost which so many have paid to protect freedom and democracy in Canada and other nations, including my homeland – the United Kingdom. My parents had often told me of the hardships of growing up in England during World War II. More recently, and over in Canada, Christine’s late father was well known and loved by the patients whom he had faithfully visited for many years at the Camp Hill Veteran’s Memorial Hospital.
After checking our luggage we took turns to look at the displays, before a staff member exhorted us to get on board. We walked down another red carpet, awed by the ranks of military personnel standing at attention on either side. We gazed along the platform between two endless rows of gleaming stainless steel railcars, each door guarded by a uniformed military person as well as the helpful VIA Rail staff. We heard that the 33-car train (including three engines, two domes, three diners, three coaches and a baggage car) would be the longest to operate on this route since World War II, and would carry approximately 420 passenger once those from Moncton had embarked. Because of its length, the train was parked at the station in two halves and later coupled together.
After moving into our double bedroom we hastened to the dome in the Park Car, and watched the enormous train pull out of Halifax, recalling the troop trains that connected with ships to and from Europe so many years ago. Along the historic railway cut, people stood on the many bridges looking down at our train and waved to us. The Halifax Herald printed a special page with the words “Thank You” accompanied by a bright red poppy, and many onlookers held these up as signs while our train passed. There were many media reporters on board with their TV cameras, and some remained on the train for the entire trip. Seated up in the dome, we had a panoramic view and felt humbled by the privilege of participating in such a special occasion. Soon we could see the whole train stretched out alongside the Bedford Basin, reminding us of the wartime convoys which had been assembled there, and which many veterans had helped to protect.
Before boarding we had been given a paper assigning us to one of the three diners on the train, which for the occasion were termed “Mess Halls.” There were tow sittings for lunch and three for supper, while breakfast was also available the following morning. Walking down the endless corridors to “Mess Hall 2,” it was easy to see that more than half the passengers were veterans. Signs outside their bedrooms indicated the name and military position, and in our diner there were plenty of uniforms and colourful badges. At one of the meals we made friends with an older couple who told us of family members who had lost their lives while fighting overseas in World War II. It was a reminder than many who fought never returned, and that this train was also a tribute to them.
After our first meal on board, we waited for our bill, but it never came. We were told that all meals were complimentary, sponsored by Atlantic Superstore and VIA Rail. The food was very enjoyable, served by an attentive and efficient staff. Throughout the journey, we appreciated the enthusiastic attitude and helpfulness of VIA employees. This was all the more impressive in view of the large numbers who needed to be accommodated, some of whom had special needs. It seemed that every detail had been anticipated, including the provision of a volunteer paramedic who assisted several passengers enroute.
Our train was enthusiastically welcomed at the many Maritime communities we passed through. Some people held up “Thank You” signs in their own yards. Others were parked near grade crossings to anticipate our arrival. One or two stood alone and saluted the train as it passed. At Truro, crowds of children lined their schoolyard fence and waved. Crossing the Tantramar marshes, we were greed by two deer romping in a nearby field with the train curving around almost as a backdrop – a magnificent sight! At each station, a home-grown welcome awaited us, a band, a choir, a troupe of cadets standing at attention. At Moncton, we took a brief walk outside and almost got lost in the crowd following the pipe band marching up the platform.
There were poignant greetings at the tiny communities served by flagstops, where people had gone far out of their wa Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
G’day Gents!
The end of the week has arrived. What better way to prepare for the week end than to enjoy some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, pour a mug of freshly ground ‘n brewed hot coffee and maybe order a selection from our Menu Board of <light> and <traditional> breakfasts!
I should tell y’all up front that I’m going to be in ‘n out this morning and into early afternoon – so it’s really up to YOU! With CM3 on his federal holiday, perhaps someone will come along to bail us out this AM. We’ll see.
Thanx Lars for communicating with the guys last night on your visit to the bar – hopefully the Email “in” boxes have been checked by now. If there’s anyone who hasn’t figured out what’s going on – send me an Email. If anyone is having problems figuring out how to contact the Forums Manager, here’s “how” –
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An interesting – but again – slow day yesterday with some increased activity in the evening.
Some acknowledgments:
From yesterday: DL at 9:23 AM – CM3 at 10:35 AM – Lars at 4:27 PM ‘n 7:51 PM – Nick at 6:41 PM – James at 9:32 PM ‘n Pete at 10:17 PM!
From today: Eric at 1:03 AM ‘n DL at 5:32 AM!
Glad to have you aboard and appreciate the business! KaChing, KaChing If I’ve failed to address anything for me, I’ll get AROUNDTUIT! <grin>
Emails received from Mike ‘n Pete – THANX! Responses sent.
I’m going to keep this brief so that I can get to my “kick off” for the Veterans Day – Remembrance Day – Armistice Day Posts that will continue into tomorrow.
Boris, serve ‘em all of the “spiked” OJ they can handle!
Remember: Ruth comes in at 9 AM and remains behind the bar ‘til Leon takes over at 5 PM!
Morning Tom
I’ll have the full breakfast with plenty of coffee.
Hey, Lars – what’s going on with this Tweeting? Can’t a guy call in and drop of a message for his pal? Some hard management techniques you must have picked up – I can only assume in some of the less salubrious taverns in New York City you have clearly spent time frequenting, the less said about them the better I suspect….!!!
Miner – thanks for your tribute – esoteric information eh? I guess I’ve learned to be frustrated with information books that say things like “near the town square you will find an excellent….” – well, I need to now how near, what direction, how do I get there etc etc.
Actually – this calls for a listing of one of my all time favourite esoteric websites. Helps if you have UK geographical knowledge but I think even without that others will be amused – essentially this is an effort to catalogue the trains in passenger timetables that take an unusual / obscure or otherwise unused route between points A & B when all other services between A&B take a different more regular route.
The compiler of this site deserves a toast in my opinion!
http://www.psul4all.free-online.co.uk/intro.htm
Eric – cold Kimberley bitter – ooh no – ‘fraid not – I isolated the cooler in that part of the cellar to avoid ruining the lovely stuff with those tendencies – have a warm Bud on me instead!!
You asked about the Pendolino line speed – well they were designed for max operating speed of 140mph in regular service – but the lines concerned needed to be upgraded to allow that – Railtrack (the privatised successor to BR) intended to do this and embarked on a multi million pound investment project (ultimately paid for by government) – their project management skills were so bad that this all went belly up leading to the eventual collapse of Railtrack and the de-facto re-nationalisation of the track under Network Rail. In salvaging the wreckage, the 140mph plan was scrapped and the max operating line speed in regular use is now 125mph. Virgin Trains walked with compensation for contract breach I think (again paid for by the taxpayer - surprise surprise)
Couple of really interesting articles about this debacle are here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1183118,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1183226,00.html
Pete – yes, Toton still a big operation, it was matched of course by the LNER local equivalent at Colwick – now wiped off the face of the earth but locals here recall it well. For others – these two big yards were focussed on concentrating coal wagons coming from the large east midlands coalfield and organising them for on ward transhipment (in a way that you will of course be familiar with).
APT – vs Pendiolino – agree with your comments – I assume Virgin were frightened that some smart journalist might work out that they were only a few minutes off the APT record and run a story along the lines of “so 22 years on, over £7 billion invested in the west coast main line, a fleet of brand new hi tech trains – and you can’t even beat the record BR set with the APT” (yes folks that b in billion is not a misprint!)
Hope your friends can make that Nottingham trip and have a most enjoyable day – meanwhile I salute your mileage on the Stirling round trip – well done sir!
Finally, Nick – just had time to download and print off the ONR / ACR article from your photobucket – MANY MANY thanks – really enjoyed it and will keep it until I do the run – I wonder what became of the author – he certainly got the red carpet treatment on the ACR run. Nice to see the other pics on those pages too – loved the Dublo scan, and liked the band pics – which one is your good self?. Of course I won’t be logging in to your pics without invitation again. Hope all is OK – I seemed to have a problem ‘logging out’ as the page crashed when I pressed log out – I trust all will be well when you revisit it. Appreciate your kind efforts.
‘my wife left me and I’m going bald’ – it’s a genre with a long tradition. I guess if the guy (Mr Collins) is a railway modeller we should accord him the respect he deserves for that though – the guy needs to fund the hobby somehow no doubt – maybe that is what annoyed the wife?
Finally – spotted this as part of the editorial of the UK Guardian couple of days back (This is one of the 5 so called ‘quality’ national papers in the UK): I’ve pasted it below – not bad publicity for the services Government and the companies that operate them would like to forget:
In praise of ... sleeper trainsLeaderTuesday November 7, 2006The Guardian
Eurostar long ago abandoned plans to run direct sleepers from Glasgow, Plymouth and Swansea to mainland Europe. Demand for luxury cabins was thought to be too low, and there were doubts about whether British engines would be powerful enough to flush the extra toilets. The unused new stock was quietly sold off to a Canadian firm. Like night mail trains, sleeping cars seemed an unviable relic. But that was before environmental concerns and irksome airport security gave them a new lease of life.
Fortunately, Britons still have two overnight routes at their disposal - the Caledonian Sleeper, which will run until at least 2011, and the Night Riviera to Penzance, now safe until 2013. Rumours that the latter could be axed gave it badly needed publicity: the train is full on many nights and First Great Western now considers it "extremely viable". Both services are now smartening up their British Rail-era berths and improving their breakfasts. This minor renaissance comes despite the difficulty of booking cabins online and the fact that the most accessible guide to the Caledonian Sleeper network comes not from its operator, but the rail enthusiast who runs the seat61.com website. Sleepers are unlikely to keep Ryanair's chief executive awake at night, and they are no substitute for a high-speed rail network. Nonetheless, their survival and possible growth suggests a decade-long infatuation with the cheap, fraught and comfortless short-haul flight may be slowing.
I see Tom has offered to get the drinks and the food in to celebrate the 8,500 post so a pint of the usual and the Cod , Chips and Mushy Peas from tonights NICK's menu. please LEON.
ROB That was good news that the Royal Mail car body was saved, hopefully it can be restored to its former splendour..
NICK Great story on the Great Train robbery, London was only 80 miles from us but it was like another world.
Thanks for the Brit model locos. The King and the Duchess are fine models. As you say they would not have been seen on The Somerset & Dorset in BR days, but considering where this class of loco have been in preservation days like the King on the Settle & Carlisle and the Duchess at Kings Cross, Plymouth etc perhaps if the S&D was open today it may well have seen these classes if the line had been upgraded.
JAMES Good pics around your loco depot, the 2-10-2 sure is a fine model. The date of the train robbery was August 8th 1963 and like ERIC I can hardly believe it was 43 Years ago.
MIKE Many thanks for the links, I see on the map it has got the Missori as the "Carrollton River" as it passes through mid Missouri. Really enjoyed the link to the Glasgow area lines in the 70s to 90s I think NICK and DL will like them too, loved the pic of the Swindon built class 120 Diesel Multiple Unit at Paisley.
You were right about John Logie Baird and the first TV signal. The first one was sent from the Caledonian Hotel inside Glasgow Central station..
DL Yes Toton was a vast marshalling yard in steam days and I believe it is still the main depot for EWS today.
I have visited the depot a few times, the first visit was after steam had finished but the roundhouses were still standing. On one visit all 10 of the class 44 peaks were on shed by then the class worked mainly the unfitted coal trains not straying far from Toton depot. The depot used to hold some really good open days, the last time I was there the first 5 EWS class 66s had just been delivered which is a few years ago now.
I did do a day trip last June from Rugby to Stirling down to London and up the East Coast and back via the West Coast.
I will have to go to the Basset Lowke house next time I am over, I believe there are some excellent ship models by Basset Lowke in the Liverpool Maritime museum, if I remember right.
We were hoping to get to Nottingham on our last visit but unfortunatly could not fit it in,so it looks like I will missout on the Kimberley but MANY thanks for the info I have passed it on to the two Alans.
The APT V Pendelino article was very interesting. I suppose they are right saying that it is the fastest Glasgow TO London trip,If they had been more open about the APT Northbound record it would, as the article said, still not have detracted from what was still a great feat. I must admit I wondered at the time why it was a Southbound trip.
CM3. The saying about the factory fire is a little close to the truth some times. There has been a few mysterious fires in the UK in empty listed buildings.
LARS Thanks to the link to the Oil Creek & Titusville RR and its RPO,great reading.
Although I suppose I should defend Mr Collins as a fellow Brit I have to be honest and say if he was at Pat's Place and it was free beer I still wouldn't go to see him,OK I suppose that is a bit over the top, if it was free beer I might go. There again if it was free beer I would go and listen to BORIS singing selections from the Sound of Music.
TOM I hope I havent trodden on any toes with the P. Collins comment. Not doing too good tonight I cant believe what is going on with the forum and I managed to delete my post when it was ready for posting, better luck this time.
Anyway we have the CGW to look forward to Tuesday..
To cheer me up here is a big red engine.
.Pete.
G-day Tom and all present.
Leon- I know it's late but I am hungry, could you get me those Fish n' chips please.
Tom- Infact I did recieve your e-mail, and I hope it has been resolved. I am sorry I never responded to you. I have been one busy guy these last few days. So the e-mail has been somewhat left out, which I should probably get back to it. BTW: I realize that my ballast looks unbelievably white, but it is actually a grey color. The flash on the camera eluminates anything that is white. Maybe I will figure out how to shut off the flash at some point or take the picture with my Nikon Camera.
Nick- Thanks for comments on the pic. BTW: Ballast, I understand that it looks really white but I assure you that it is a grey color. I will probably get a shot with the Nikon next time.
Mike- I saw the pictures and that is E-50. Infact that is the locomotive that is located at the Duluth museum. That exact Box cab is on display.
Eric- Well I am glad you liked the book and maybe you can buy it some time, if your interested. RDCs. You just have to love them. There one of those that just makes you...well..feel all happy to know that some are still running. Thanks for the comments on my pics.
Speaking of books. I just got a brand new Milwaukee road book. I have been detailing and adding decals to a friends cars and in return he gave me one of his fresh off the press books. I don't know if you know Patrick C. Dorin, but he is an author who loves trains. His books are well done and very informative. The book I got from him is called, The Milwaukee Road Passenger Train service. By: Patrick C. Dorin. So, Eric, if you are looking for a good book I would recommend some of his books.
DL- Yes, Airlines have gone over well here since were a much more vast country, so it does make sence why they would discontinue the mail train. And to your cork question, I would have no idea.
CM3- good to see that you liked the pics. I think a couple more locomotives sitting in or around the engine shed would be better. And probably a couple more people figurs to make it look as if it were more busy around there.
Well, I will post on Monday, so have a good weekend gentlemen!
Happy railroading
James
Leon, I'll take one of those 'freebies' Tom has provided for all who entrered the November Contest! A Schaefer in a frosty mug if you please!
GENTLEMEN, check your email in boxes!
Nice menu from our Chief Chef Nick - makes me hungry just reading it! So, I think I'll meander over to the booth in the corner and partake . . .
Looking foward to the activities of tomorrow and the weekend - although, perhaps we'll be suffering from a "lock down" if this latest TROLL continues with the nonsense on the Forum. "siberianblo" indeed! What a jerk.
Boris, if you see a TROLL out back, stomp it!
On that note, I'll have another!
Well good evening one and all,Leon-a quick bottle or two before I slide out to the galley and whip Boris & Copperkettle into shape,and a round for the chaps whilst I`ve got ny wallet out......
Looks like I`ve started something with my opinions R.E Phil Collins-(another railway modeller BTW)--In my opinion,as a muso,he is a great drummer (listen to any of the Genesis albums,also his work with jazz band `Brand X`),when he took over lead vocals from Peter Gabriel he kept the band working ( I was lucky enough to see them at Knebworth in the late `70`s (although not a patch on Led Zeppelin with the New Barbarians as support.....)and they were brilliant-the drum solo/duet with him and Chester Thompson was awesome,but his solo work seems to revolve around the themes of "my wife left me and I`m going bald" Dont get me wrong,He produces well crafted albums with nice `easy listening` tunes but man,they are depressing..............................Give me `The Lamb lies down on Broadway` any day O.K-- over with
Right,it`s the galley for me before I alienate any more of our customers with my outre views.........
Well,I had a wander around Mentor market this morning and it looks like tonights specials are:-
Starters, Chinese style Shark fin soup
Tiger Prawns with sweet chilli sauce
Smoked Trout Fillet with mustard butter
Creamed mixed mushroom and herb crepes
Mains:- middle cut of Skate with beurre noisette sauce
Grilled Red Snapper with `s salad & garlic bread
Cod in beer batter with mushy peas and chips (For the Brits)--pickled eggs also available
Dover sole ,pan fried in breadcrumbs with a `s salad and choice of potato dish
Spiced Filo vegetable parcels with mixed rices
Venison steaks with cranberry and garlic sauce
O.K-I`m out of here,lets to the galley and get working ,bon appetite ladies and gents ,see you all later,nick
<psssssst! pssssssst!> < Hey Buddy!> <Wanna buy a Rolex?> <No?> <How about a box of chocolate bars?>
Ruth my deAH, I'd like a frosty mug of Shaefer, a half-sandwich of my favorite - ham 'n Swiss with mustAHd 'n buttAH and two large pickles from the barrel. Yes, a saucer of brine for Tex, half dozen ice cubes for Frostbite, a tin o' worms for Awk and a soup bone for Juneau! <phew>
Man, do I remember those days in some of the dives I used to stop off at on the way home from the ship! For anyone out there who has no clue regarding what could have been purchased in the taverns of New York - well, all I can say is you're in dire need of an education! Enjoyed the trip back to those times! So, how long did that Buick last <grin>
Another strange day in the daylight here at the bar - and from the looks of things, I'd say this is the trend we're currently on. Can you imagine this place without CM3 I'm NOT Shane! or DL Would be rather grim I'd say. Can't expect Cap'n Tom to shoulder the load each day by himself. We've traveled that tenuous road B4 and the results weren't good at all. Hope this isn't an indication of things to come . . .
So, tomorrow begins the long weekend (for some). A federal holiday here in the U.S. as the Veteran's Day holiday falls on Saturday. Wonder why Congress hasn't screwed up this holiday and turned it into a Monday affair Not that I want them to, but I'm surprised they left it alone. Seems like only the shopping centers benefit from these holidays for I'm not seeing very much civic anything for the Vets.
I'm still rather "sick" regarding the results from Tuesday's election. I think we're in for a stormy two years and there's NO WAY that I believe the change of leadership in Congress will work for the benefit of the people who put them there!
Good choice for next week's "Theme" - hope we continue to demonstrate the enthusiasm for these events and the contributions are plenty.
Eric, the OC&T RPO actually is sanctioned by the U.S. Postal Service and remains "operational." Check out this site:
http://www.americanheritage.com/travel/articles/web/20060908-titusville-oil-pennsylvania-edwin-drake.shtml
Put me "down" as a Phil Collins fan too! The Mrs. LOVES the guy - and I'm not sure why Just a "wheezy" little Brit! But seriously, do enjoy the man's music and his talent shows throughout all of the performances we've attended.
Hey Tom! Did DL get away with escaping the wrath of the "TWEET" Seems like that rather long "private" message to Pete was a bit out of bounds, dontchathink I know that I'm just the Manager, and YOU are in charge of the "TWEETER," but . . . . <grin>
Must interject, even though the conversation was "private," that list of Pubs is outstanding, simply outstanding. By my count there's 25 watering holes and all within stops along the transit lines. Nice.
I hope to be back tomorrow, however no promises. Got some heavy duty things to take care of and the way things are shaping up, this weekend may be anything but pleasant. <ugh> Hope I'm wrong for I do want to particpate in our commemoration of the Vets Day event.
Enjoy the Fish 'n Chips - I've "sampled" the makings and things are shaping up quite well in the galley! at 5 PM!
Manager Lars
Tuesday’s THEME for the Day is Chicago Great Western (CGW)!
Watch for the arrivals on track #1 throughout the day!
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Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; will partake of freebies so graciously provided by our ‘steamed proprietor.
Rain is moving out although we had enough of it and fog as well. Gas holds at $2.26 when I fed the beast this a.m.
Tom – Thanks for toy train history, and the kind words re the rerun. The u/g economy still thrives in the places you mentioned which reminds me of the old story:
Two businessmen are sitting in a bar.
One says to the other “Sorry to hear that your factory burned down.”
The second man replies, “Sshh! It’s tomorrow night.”
DL is a master of esoteric information (my compliments, sir). I have seen lots of beer (and other substances) consumed on the MBTA over the years; much of it as carry ons by the passengers.
Lars and Pete provided a nice set of general commentary and reflections.
Rob – Good advice. I have been archiving stuff for awhile anyway; that search took awhile.
Nick – Don’t be so hard on yourself. We have the WV legislature. Thanks so much for sharing the fine collection of power; vintage and more modern.
James – Thanks for the layout shots.
Mike – Rent a tuxedo? That means we can’t wear the blue jeans and suspenders? I’ll send the Springer to accept the award – he’s already dressed appropriately (LOL).
My, my, what a fine litho of that MILW electric.
The guide book has been downloaded.
Also thanks for RDC4 shots; take a look at what’s behind the RDC4 in the first picture. The photos show how the RDC4s were laid out. The design was basically the same from railroad to railroad.
B4 it slips what’s left of my memory, Boston and Maine had RDC9s as well; these were cabless RDCs – looked like passenger coaches with the typical RDC roofline. Consist for what passed for an RDC longhaul train might be RDC4/RDC9/RDC9/RDC1. You get the idea. All were powered and could mu from the cab of the first unit..
Eric – most of the RPOs disappeared in the 50’s or a little later when the Interstate network began to get filled in. I-95 about killed the New Haven; and I-90 about killed the dearly beloved (NYC).
I am contributing extra cash today so folks can toast absent friends appropriately over the weekend (so many as we get older) Will be offline tomorrow.
Oh, almost forgot – the newest issue of C&O History is devoted to “George Washington” dining car china; with lovely color shots of gold bordered plates, etc. I’ll see if I can find some sample menus in the east wing and post them. That’ll give the chief chef and his minions some ideas.
I heard there was still some of the Old Fashioned RR Stew left over from the darts tournament; I hope it’s just an ugly rumor that it’s being fed to the denizens of the yak pen down near the Mentor and Southern Narrow Gauge roundhouse. Sorry Boris, I didn’t realize the relatives were in early for Thanksgiving.
Work safe
Hi Ruth - no order for me - just popped in to drop this message off for Pete - can you pass it on when he calls by? Oh, and message for Tom - if you are actually a Phil Collins fan you will certainly enjoy the film Buster.
Pete – Kimberly location guide for your friends with my compliments.
They should try and get the visit in before mid December as the word is they will cease brewing at end of year so I expect they are trying to fake the taste in Suffolk even now.
The Nottingham Tram operators publish a handy pocket guide book called ‘Beer by Tram’ which is on their website (often paper copies are available from a Tram Conductor). In case not they can download from here.
http://www.thetram.net/attractions/default.asp
http://www.thetram.net/attractions/beerbytram/default.asp
If arriving by train access to the Tram is from the footbridge at the middle of the station (not the main concourse area). It may also be worth purchasing a ‘Nottingham Express Transit Tram Add on Fare’ to the usual rail ticket at the outset of the journey if this is still available – otherwise an all day tram ticket costs £2.20 or if there is a group of people there is some sort of group ticket.
Not many of the pubs on the route guide are Kimberley Pubs (NOTE – all Kimberley Pubs are now branded Hardy’s and Hanson’s which they adopted about 2 years ago – hardly anyone calls them that though). They also now have Green King brews on the bar alongside the Kimberely brews
Anyway, I recommend:
The Bell, Old Market Square (2 mins walk from Old Market Square Tram Stop) – they sell Kimberly Bitter and Mild and usually a special from the brewery too. (Be careful to avoid ‘Kimberly Dark’ a bad keg version of the mild – some staff don’t know the difference - watch them pull the right thing!)
You can use www.multipmap.com or www.streetmap.co.uk with the postcode to get a map, postcode for Bell Inn is – NG1 6HL
From there it is a 10 minute or less walk to
Ye Olde Trip to JerusalemBrewhouse YardNottingham EnglandNG1 6AD
http://www.triptojerusalem.com/castle_rock.php
A pub you have mentioned before and one that needs no introduction. Location is near the castle rock – follow the walls of the Castle round until you find it. They will sell Kimberley Bitter and Mild and also Olde Trip – a Kimberley brew done specially for this pub.
At both of these pubs the beer is well kept and in good condition. Even without the tram they are less than 20 mins walk from Midland Station.
If making a special journey anyway I’d strongly recommend taking the bus out to Kimberley village itself. They have a very good pub very close to the Brewery called the ‘Nelson and Railway’ – you can enjoy a few beers and pay homage to the superb brewery buildings. Also nearby is the old GNR Kimberley station (line long closed) which seems to serve as the Brewery staff social club (I wonder for how much longer). Ask to be put off the bus ‘as near as possible to the Brewery’, you will then be near this pub.
Getting out there is very simple.
Take Trent- Barton - Route ‘Rainbow 1 (R1)’ towards Eastwood - runs every 10 minutes during day – 30 mins in evening. From Nottingham Victoria Bus Station (site of Nottingham Victoria Railway Station of course) - with a pick up point on Upper Parliament Street closer to Old Market Square if one was coming from The Bell for example.
See
http://www.trentbuses.co.uk/
Route timetable here
http://www.trentbuses.co.uk/timetables/times/index.html?rain1easnot.html
Pick up for service R1 on Upper Parliament Street is Stop ‘E’ on map link below outside old Elite Cinema (not a cinema any more) on Upper Parliament Street north of Market Square
http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/www/maps/g_lib/ccbt%20portrait.pdf
Worth the journey in my view.
If they want to stay on the tram route a few of other good pubs (but not Kimberely ones) on the tram list are:
Use the Beer by Tram link to get exact directions from tram stop to pub – all stops have info boards with a decent local street map to help orientate oneself when getting off. The recommended pubs are usually marked on these maps.
Kimberley website may list other pubs, there is one round back (east) side of Victoria Centre that is quite good, can't recall name but if you walk through near where market is you come out beside it - must have been on east side of old GCR Victoria Station at one time :
www.hardysandhansons.plc.uk
Hope this helps
Good G’day Gents!
Okay – let’s try this AGAIN! To the acknowledgments:
Rob at 7:51 PM yesterday: Must have “just” missed each other, eh Metric – hmmmmm, didn’t give THAT a thought!
Any coverage of the VIA Rail special train to Halifax in your part of the “woods” Bet not very much. There should’ve been lotsa Pix, etc. But as with last year, the press simply didn’t pick up on the event insofar as the train itself was concerned. Pity.
Nick at 8:19 PM and 9:54 PM yesterday: <whoa!> Phil Collins is a masterful and complete entertainer with or without Genesis. I OBJECT to those aspersions and omissions! <swg]
Psssssssst, hey buddy, wanna buy some bank notes Reminds me of a bar or three I used to frequent in my younger days (daze) in New York City or Boston where one could acquire just about anything at the local tavern. One night a guy even tried to sell of NEW BUICKS! Yup, seems a shipment destined for overseas somehow would up being “left” at the pier as the ship sailed away. An enterprising soul he, decided to pursue the “gift” from heaven. <grin> Pssssst, hey buddy, wanna buy . . . . Love it!
What an impressive array of loco’s in those Pix! Outstanding and perhaps one day I’ll have the privilege of viewing them up front and personal, so to speak. Nicely done!
James at 9:13 PM yesterday: An interesting set of Pix. I’ve used the white crushed limestone in one of my tunnels – more to get rid of the stuff than anything else. Had to buy a larger quantity than required for my landscaping needs. I’ve seen white roadbed in my rail travels – not very often and it doesn’t remain white for very long.
I haven’t received a response to my Email to you of several days ago. Also, your cork roadbed commentaries have had input from the other side of it.
LMCH9586 at 9:16 PM: A “locked” Post and “one-way” at that. Obviously someone who doesn’t want to engage here at the bar and one has to wonder why in the world the Post was made at all.
Mike at 11:54 PM yesterday: Really “dig” the RDCs you provided by way of the URLs! Don’t know what it is, but each ‘n every time I view those beauties – well, I just wanna climb aboard! Thanx!
You may have been the “one” to reach the 8,500 mark AND you didn’t play the game! Isn’t that THE way it works
Eric at 1:11 AM today: Juneau is 3 ½ years by human counting and is a neutered male. He rules the roost ‘round here and reminds us of it constantly! Yes, the name is appropriate for the breed – especially given my affinity for Alaska and so forth. Previous Husky was named Fred – not my doing and before my time. Anyway, he lived for 16 years and 2 months – was also a neutered male – had long hair (similar to a Collie) and was as gentle as a lamb. Juneau is a tiger in disguise.
Cracker Barrel I think I’ve missed the point! Nothing new at my age.
RDCs were at idle – hmmmmm, was it winter I believe the practice was to keep ‘em running due to the time it took to generate sufficient heat for those cars. And of course, who cared about fuel costs <groan> A bit surprised they didn’t have “shore tie” capability. Curious about all of that.
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