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[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom I realize "Our Place is not open yet in any Time Zone so will just slip this under the door for posting later.

Since this is SP DAY I will start with this.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #62

DAYLIGHT SP Trains 98-99 March 21, 1937 Los Angeles – San Francisco daily each direction 470 miles 935 miles round trip 10 hours 15 minutes
By Al

The SP came up with what some believe were the most beautiful trains in the world when they launched their streamlined DAYLIGHTS between Los Angeles and San Francisco on March 21, 1937. The new trains pulled by new streamlined GS-2 4-8-4 locomotives were striking in the red, orange, black paint scheme with silver separation stripes and lettering. The new trains were twelve cars in length and carried 392 coach passengers and 57 parlor car patrons. Within days of the new daily trains entering service the SP added a second heavyweight section to carry the overflow from the streamlined trains. Each train operated with three pairs of articulated coaches all other cars were single cars. The DAYLIGHTS shortcomings were a shortage of dining space and lounge space. These shortcomings would be corrected in 1938.

DAYLIGHT CONSIST ONE

Inaugural #98

4411 Streamlined Lima GS-2 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3300 Baggage Newsstand 44–Revenue Seat Coach

2400 48-Revenue Seat Coach

2402 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2403 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2404 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2405 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2406 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2407 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10310 24-Seat Lunch Counter Bar 18-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

10200 40-Seat Dining Car

3000 29-revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2950 23-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

DAYLIGHT CONSIST TWO

Inaugural #99

4413 Streamlined Lima GS-2 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3301 Baggage Newsstand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2401 48-Revenue Seat Coach

2408 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2409 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2410 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2411 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2412 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2413 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10311 24-Seat Lunch Counter Bar 18-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

10201 40-Seat Dining Car

3001 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car with 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2951 23-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

The DAYLIGHT consists received two new cars each beginning January 25, 1938. Passengers had complained since the inaugural of the DAYLIGHTS that waiting time to dine was far to lengthy and additional Tavern space was needed as 18-seats were not enough. SP management listened and the new cars a 56-seat Coffee shop car and full Tavern Lounge car with seating for 68 and a half round bar against one side in the center of these cars. One 56-seat Coffee Shop car 10400 was trainlined in the first consist directly behind articulated Coach 2407 replacing Lunch Counter Tavern Lounge Car 10310. To the rear of 40-seat Dining Car 10200 was the new Tavern Lounge Car 10312.

CONSIST ONE dining and lounge cars now looked like this

10400 56-Seat Coffee Shop Car

10200 40-Seat Dining Car

10312 68-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

From consist two Lunch Counter Tavern Car 10311 was replaced with cars in the following order

CONSIST TWO dining and lounge cars now looked like this

10401 56-Seat Coffee Shop Car

10200 40-Seat Dining Car

10313 68-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

The next changes to take place to the DAYLIGHTS were the addition of a pair of Articulated 50-seat Coaches to each consist in June 1939. These cars were not new but were transferred from the SP subsidiary T&NO where they had operated in the SUNBEAM & HUSTLER. The former T&NO cars were renumbered into the SP schemes as follows.

2454 originally T&NO 506
2453 originally T&NO 507

2456 originally T&NO 504
2455 originally T&NO 505

At the same time DAYLIGHT cars 2400 and 2401 both single 48-seat coaches were transferred to the T&NO becoming their 452 and 453 respectively.

The altered DAYLIGHTS from the rear of articulated cars 2406-2407 in consist one and articulated cars 2412-2413 in consist two now looked like the following.

CONSIST ONE

10400 56-Seat Coffee Shop Car

10200 40-Seat Dining Car

2454 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2453 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10312 68-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

3000 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2950 23-seat Parlor 10-seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

10401 56-Revenue Seat Coffee Shop Car

10201 40-Seat Dining Car

2456 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2455 Articulated 50-revenue Seat Coach

3001 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2951 23-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

All new 14-car DAYLIGHTS were introduced January 5, 1940. The new DAYLIGHTS were named the MORNING DAYLIGHTS March 30, 1940 and the original DAYLIGHT trains that had grown to fourteen cars became the NOON DAYLIGHTS on March 30, 1940.

MORNING DAYLIGHT March 30, 1940
CONSIST ONE train 98

4424 Streamlined Lima GS-3 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3302 Baggage News Agents Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2442 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2441 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

2444 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2443 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

10252 Articulated 80-Seat Coffee Shop Car
10251 Articulated Kitchen Car
10250 Articulated 72-Seat Dining Room Car

2446 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2445 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

2439 44-Revenue Seat Coach

10314 68-Seat Bar Tavern Lounge Car

3002 27-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2952 22-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO MORNING DAYLIGHT
Train 99

4429 Streamlined Lima GS-3 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3303 Baggage News Agent Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2448 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2447 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

2450 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2449 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

10255 Articulated 80-Seat Coffee Shop Car
10254 Articulated Kitchen Car
10253 Articulated 72-Seat Dining Room Car

2452 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2451 Articulated 46-revenue Seat Coach

2440 44-Revenue Seat Coach

10315 68-Seat Bar Tavern Lounge Car

3003 27-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2953 22-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST ONE NOON DAYLIGHT
Train 96

4421 Streamlined Lima GS-3 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3300 Baggage New Agents Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2402 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2403 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2404 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2405 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2406 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2407 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10400 56-Seat Coffee Shop Car

10200 40-Seat Dining Car

2454 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2453 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10312 68-Seat Bar Tavern Lounge Car

3000 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2950 23-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO NOON DAYLIGHT
Train 97

4427 Streamlined Lima GS-3 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3301 Baggage News Agents Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2408 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2409 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2410 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2411 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

2412 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2413 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10401 56-Seat Coffee Shop Car

10201 40-Seat Dining Car

2456 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach
2455 Articulated 50-Revenue Seat Coach

10313 68-Seat Bar –Tavern Lounge Car

3001 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2951 23-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

By the end of June 1941 the SP had received enough new cars to inaugurate a third DAYLIGHT the new SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT on July 4, 1941. Beginning July 30, 1941 the MORNING DAYLIGHT and NOON DAYLIGHT received enough new cars to be listed by consist again.

CONSIST ONE MORNING DAYLIGHT

4432 Streamlined Lima GS-4 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3302 Baggage New Agent Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2458 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2457 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

2460 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2459 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

2462 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2461 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

10258 Articulated 80-Seat Coffee Shop Car (New)
10257Articulated Kitchen Car (New)
10256 Articulated 72-Seat Dining Room Car (New)

2474 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2473 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

2485 44-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

10314 68-Seat Bar Tavern Lounge Car

3002 27-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room

2954 22-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation (New)

CONSIST TWO MORNING DAYLIGHT

4437 Streamlined Lima GS-4 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3303 Baggage News Agent Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2466 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2465 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

2468 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2467 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

2470 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2469 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

10261 Articulated 80-Seat Coffee Shop Car (New)
10260Articulated Kitchen Car (New)
10259 Articulated 72-Seat Dining Room Car (New)

2476 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2475 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

2486 44-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

10315 68-Seat Bar Tavern Lounge Car

3003 27-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2955 22-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation (New)


CONSIST ONE NOON DAYLIGHT
Train 96

4439 Streamlined Lima GS-4 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3300 Baggage News Agents Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2442 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2441 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

2444 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2443 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

2446 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2445 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

10252 Articulated 80-Seat Coffee Shop Car
10251 Articulated Kitchen Car
10250 Articulated 72-Seat Dining Room Car

2464 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2463 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

2439 44-Revenue Seat Coach

10312 68-Seat Bar Tavern Lounge Car

3000 29-Revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2952 22-revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation


CONSIST TWO NOON DAYLIGHT
Train 97

4436 Streamlined Lima GS-4 4-8-4 Locomotive & Tender

3301 Baggage New Agents Stand 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2448 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2447 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

2450 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2449 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

2452 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach
2451 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach

10255 Articulated 80-Seat Coffee Shop Car
10254 Articulated Kitchen Car
10253 Articulated 72-Seat Dining Room Car

2472 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)
2471 Articulated 46-Revenue Seat Coach (New)

2440 44-Revenue Seat Coach

10313 68-Seat Bar Tavern Lounge Car

3001 29-revenue Seat Parlor Car 5-Revenue Seat Parlor Stateroom

2951 23-Revenue Seat Parlor 10-Seat Lounge Observation

For information on the SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT see separate listing under July 4, 1941.

The NOON DAYLIGHT was discontinued for the duration of WW-II beginning January 5, 1942. The two NOON DAYLIGHT consists listed above were transferred to the SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT route for the duration of the war.
The NOON DAYLIGHT trains 96 and 97 were reinstated April 14, 1946 with the prewar consists that had operated in the SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT consists of WW-II.
The passenger loads the prewar NOON DAYLIGHT trains had enjoyed did not return after reinstatement following the war. The NOON DAYLIGHTS were discontinued October 1, 1949 and the cars went to two other trains the new STARLIGHT and the SAN JOAQUIN DAYLIGHT. See those trains for further details.

The COAST DAYLIGHTS as the MORNING DAYLIGHTS had been renamed were dieselized beginning January 5, 1955.

The COAST DAYLIGHT received ¾ length domes beginning November 3, 1962. These cars originally assigned to the SHASTA DAYLIGHT never returned to that train but remained assigned to the COAST DAYLIGHT. The COAST DAYLIGHTS had been operating with the former SHASTA DAYLIGHT “Timberline” Lounge Cars until they were replaced by the dome lounges.

Beginning November 3, 1962 the SP assigned Automats to replace the COAST DAYLIGHT trains triple unit coffee shop – kitchen - dining cars for the winter months. The Christmas season and summer peak travel boom witnessed the return of the triple unit dining sets to the COAST DAYLIGHTS.

Beginning May 12, 1968 the SUNSET consists that originated in New Orleans began running through from Los Angeles to San Francisco as the COAST DAYLIGHT. Only the Dome and Parlor Observation were added and deleted at Los Angeles for the run to and from San Francisco.


TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

For: Al

Nope - TUESDAY is Southern Pacific! Gotta read those SUMMARIES!! [swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

We open at 6 AM (all times zones!) (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

Mornin’ All! The best way to start the day is here with us![tup] Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery along with a hot cuppa freshly brewed coffee “works” well! Then we have our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board. So, c’mon and join us![tup]

Anyone watching[?] We are coming up on the 5,000th reply at ”Our” Place! And there were “those” who said this Thread would fold-up in a matter of several weeks![tdn][swg]


Daily Wisdom

It’s déjà vu all over again.
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Southern Pacific arrives next Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Fish 'n Chips Nite!
Friday: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 05:17:39 (247) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 05:19:02 (247) Acknowledgments & Our Own Lingo, Part II & jokes!

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 06:36:38 (247) Streamliner #62 – ATSF Kansas Cityan

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 07:36:37 (247) Something Special coming!

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 08:28:08 (247) AM pick-us-up!

(6) SmithBrazil Daniel Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 08:30:33 (247) 1st Post

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 08:53:29 (247) reply to: SmithBrazil

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 09:23:55 (247) Acknowledgments, Rendezvous Report, etc.

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 11:06:09 (247) Back online, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 11:54:33 (247) Railways of Europe #1 – British Rail

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 13:27:09 (247) Pike Perspectives! NA Steam loco wheel arrangements

(12) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 14:47:04 (248) PM comments

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 18:32:47 (248) Acknowledgments, etc.

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 18:56:39 (248) Comments

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 19:04:00 (248) reply to passengerfan

(16) pwolfe Pete Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 19:15:40 (248) Inclusive & Most Informative Post!

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 20:34:55 (248) reply to pwolfe, etc.

(18) barndad Doug Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 21:23:26 (248) Inclusive Post, joke, etc.

(19) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 23:50:14 (248) Inclusive :Post, etc.

(20) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 00:36:45 (248) Classic Juice #21



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 12th thru 18th: Bound for Glory (1976) starring: David Carradine, Ronny Cox & Melinda Dillon – and – Emperor of the North Pole (1973) starring: Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine & Keith Carradine.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom see thats what happens when you have insomnia and Tuesday looks like Thursday. Sorry Tom Really do need a cup of coffee fer sure fer sure. OK will find another surporise for tuesday SP day. I'm sure I can find something for the SP theme.

TTFN AL.

[trolleyboy]

morning Tom, 1 Doug speacial with a short stack chaser please[:D], oh and a really big coffee to kick my but into gear this morning.If Nick is unable to this evening the girls AKA H&H have graciously offered to put on the fish fry and fixings for us all tonight. Plaice , haddock, cod and carp ( the last you will want to avoid as I think they were caught in the Welland Canal )[:O][xx(]

Good day to not be outside today , hovering at or about 0C with a snow/rain slain mix falling [sigh] Hey at least gas has ottomed out again around here .80C a litre,been a couple of years since it's hit that level [tup]

Al Coffee is maybe what you don't need,too many coffee's and tax returns makes the tax guy a tad confused and edgy [:O] Been there though today feels like Friday here as well ( maybe cause it's my day off ) I'm sure that it Russ or dave make it in today that thye will pick up upon and appreciate the streamliner anyway. [tup]

Well must head out for now. I will attempt to leave you all with the ENCORE I had pepared a couple days(daze) ago.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! Cklassic Steam# 13 From pg# 218
This is / wass to go along with Tom's fine piece on the Candian Northern the other day.

Later
Rob

CLASSIC CNR STEAM # 13 THE FORMING OF THE CNR


Tom and I have talked about the various bits and parts of the CNR so here is the short short history of how they came to be. Enjoy Rob.

Sir Robert Borden,who had become Prime Minister in 1911,kept arguing for publi ownership of a nationwide railway system. He pointed out that 90 % of the Grand Trunk's transcontinental ambitions were already publically funded by government loans,and for only 10 % more the country could own and control the system. Faced by the urgent demands of the war,Parliment decided to act on his suggestion.

It began in 1917 by obtaining the Candian Northern, and appointing a board of directors chaired by D.B. Hanna. The following year, the board's jurisdiction was extended over the Candian Government Railways. 15 lines in all, the main one's being the Intercolonial,the National Transcontinental,the Hudson Bay Railway,and the Prince Edward Island Railway.

Then , on June 6,1919, Parliament passed an act incorporating the Canadian National Railway Company and appointed Hanna as President. The first major aquisition made by the new corporation was of the Grand Trunk Pacific the next year.


The first anual report issued by the board was for 1921, the third year in the life of the new railway. They gave details of the assets and liabilities of the component companies as well as those of Canadian National. They reported earnings in 1921 of $47,321.44, compared to the 1920 defficet of $4 million. By 1923 with the takeover of the rest of the Grand Trunk and it's Grand Trunk Western ( american holdings ) they had built a soilid company.

SOME STATS ON THE NEW RAILWAY


Once the govt incorporated the company Canadian National Railway's, it created one of the largest railways in the world, with various railway related services. All for the benefit of it's sole shareholder the people of Canada ( aka the Federal govt ). At the outset it had 105.905 employees , 2078 pensioners, 3268 loccomotives , 138,925 pieces of rolling stock passenger and freight, 21,700 miles of track, and telegraph lines , hotels, car ferries,barges and tugs.

Candian National telegraph's had 3852 employee's serving the public and railway needs for messeges along 113,105 miles of wire. The express dept had 3255 employee's, as well as 628 horses , 111 motor trucks, 1095 waggons and sleighs, 2959 platform trucks ( hand dollies ), and 584 safes ( locaated in express buildings, amnd stations ) Among the business handles during the year were 47 million pounds of fish,3500 live foxes and 4400 Horses ( principally the racing type )

Eight major hotels. built by the predessesr companies werw there to serve the riding public in style. These were not operated by a separate company but left in control of the General Manager of Hotels,Sleeping and Dinning cars.

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin’!

What a morning! Have had to minor “crashes” on my WP and therefore am off to a terrible beginning at the keyboard!![tdn] Software, the enigma of ‘puting!

Temps are about to drop in 20 degree increments as a front is moving in rather quickly here in mid-Continent USA. Reached the lower 60s yesterday and the same is expected for early afternoon – then . . . it is supposed to be colder than a Well Diggers Butt in the Klondike in January, if that gives you an idea![swg] Gotta batten down the hatches as severe weather is forecast – thunder, lightning and heaven only knows what else.[tdn]

Petrol still holding at $1.97 (rounded) up at “Collusion Corner.”

As you all can tell, I’m trying my best to keep coming up with “stuff” to keep this place movin’ forward. I appreciate the willingness on the part of several to join in with the various “themes” that have sprung up to supplement these new offerings. That’s really the idea ‘round here, isn’t it[?] Getting the dialogue going and sharing the Classic Trains info.[yeah][tup][tup]

RENDEZVOUS Emails have been sent to all concerned.


HELP REQUIRED! for tomorrow. I will be away from the keyboard for about a 7 hour period. Should be departing here around 10 AM (Central), so PULEEEZE guys, try to fill in the “blanks” with appropriately TIMED Posts. Ain’t asking much – just spread ‘em out and all will go just fine. The good news is that Cindy is taking a “personal day” from the University and will fill in while I’m away![yeah][wow]


Some acknowledgments are in order:

passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 03:39:03 & 07:21:56

No harm done with the SP “Streamliner” info …. Always good reading and appreciated![tup] There’s little doubt you’ll find “something” for next Tuesdays “Theme!”[swg]


barndad Doug
Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 21:23:26

Busy guy with the acknowledgments and of course our ‘daily joke!’ Good stuff on both counts and appreciated! [tup][tup][tup] So, how come no Michigan quarters in that roll you dropped off yesterday[?][swg]

I liked that “Club” logo spread, but it’s a shame it cannot be enlarged. I’d love to make a logo (herald) for the Can-Am, but haven’t begun to learn “how to” yet. Nice bit of info!

Grade-a-Joke: Four on a scale of Ten.<grin>

If we hold the 2007 Rendezvous here in the St. Louis area, one of the evenings will be devoted to some model railroading - with appropriate adult beverages included! – down in the Can-Am Trainroom. So, perhaps you’ll get a chance to operate the 3 different layouts! Something to look forward to, eh[?][swg] Appreciate your comments![tup]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 15 Feb 2006, 23:50:14 and 16 Feb 2006, 00:36:45, 08:14:56 & 08:21:48

So what’s THIS!![?][?] Trying to make up for lost time[?] Thought “data dumpin’” belonged to another on this Thread!!<grin> In all seriousity (yeah, go ahead and steal that on also!!) always enjoy the input from our Ontario connection! Speaking of which – did you ever establish comms with jdonald[?][?] Surely thought he was a “keeper,” then – pfffffffffffft – gone-zo! Some of you guyz north of zee border are rather unpredictable to say the least![swg]

Good timing with the TTC piece and hopefully it will get the attention of our Rendezvous attendees.[tup]

My sentiments precisely and couldn’t have said it any better. Here was Europe, many countries had their transportation infrastructures torn to shreds. Along comes the “Marshall Plan” and assorted other international efforts to help rebuild and they come out with a hulluva fine railroad network. Meanwhile back in the lands of the “Liberators,” we’re tooling along as if there’s no tomorrow and before we realize it, zap – gone-zo. Go figger that one!<frown>

Also appreciate the comments on the piece put out “just for you” (as Lars put it! and glad you enjoyed the CNoR. Nice thing about doing those is that I learn a lot simply by preparing those Posts. Good readin’ and learnin’ at the same time. My grade school teachers should be rockin’ & rollin’ wherever they are![swg]

I may live to regret this "decision," but OKAY with the H&H gals to fill in for Nick our Chief Chef [C=:-)]and former regular!! It will be YOUR responsibilty to keep 'em OUT of Boris' shed![:O] This outta be a riot!<groan>


Thanx to all who bought rounds! Ka-ching, Ka-ching, music to my ears![swg] By the by, I think we’re going to have to come up with names for our two cash registers (both mechanical) one at each 1/3rd of the bar. So let’s kick that idea ‘round, okay[?] After all, we have Coal Scuttle for the Pig’s Feet Jar “feeding” our Juke, Herr Wurltizer. So, why not a couple of names for the cash boxes[?]


Okay boyz, time to move on!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[siberianmo]

RAILWAYS of EUROPE #2 – Eurostar
(London – Paris – Brussels)

Eurostar




Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources.


Eurostar



Eurostar at Vauxhall (GNU Free Documentation)


Franchise:: Eurostar

Main Route(s):: London-Lille-Brussels,
London-Paris

Other Route(s):: Lille-Disneyland Paris-Avignon,
Lille-Bourg-St-Maurice

Fleet size:: 27

Stations: 11

Parent company: Eurostar Group

Website: www.eurostar.com


This article is about high-speed trains between London and Brussels / Paris. For Italian trains called Eurostar, see Eurostar Italia.

Eurostar is a train service that connects London with Paris and Brussels. Trains cross the English Channel via the Channel Tunnel. The French and Belgian sections of the route use the same high-speed rail lines as the TGV and Thalys, and in England a new line is being built to the same standard. This is a two-phase project known as the Channel Tunnel Rail Link project (CTRL).

The first revenue-earning Eurostar trains ran in November 1994. Eurostar has established a dominant share of the market on the routes it serves - 68% for London-Paris and 63% for London-Brussels, as of November 2004. The company points out that these passenger figures represent a saving of 393,000 carbon dioxide-producing short-haul flights.

The journey time from London to Paris is currently 2 hours 35 minutes; London to Brussels is 2 hours 20 minutes. These times will be cut by 20 minutes in 2007 when the construction of the second phase of CTRL is completed, bringing the British portion of the route up to the same standards as the French and Belgian sections. Completion of the CTRL will also allow a significant increase in the number of Eurostar trains serving London. After phase two is completed, up to 8 trains per hour in each direction could travel the route from London to the continent, as timetabling would be unaffected by peak hour restrictions at London Waterloo and conflicts between Waterloo and Fawkham Junction.

In addition to the three destination cities, some Eurostar services currently stop en route at Ashford in Kent and at Calais Frethun and Lille in northern France. From 2007 all Eurostar trains will be routed through the CTRL to a new London terminus at St Pancras. The company had intended to retain some services to the existing Waterloo terminal, but this was ruled out on cost grounds. Some trains will additionally serve new stations at Ebbsfleet near Dartford in north-west Kent and Stratford International station in east London (not to be confused with Stratford station, or Stratford Regional station as it will be called when Stratford International station is opened)

Organisation

Eurostar services are now managed under a unified management, the Eurostar Group. In each country a member company undertakes Eurostar operation:

• Belgium — NMBS/SNCB
• France — SNCF
• United Kingdom — Eurostar (U.K.) Ltd. or (EUKL)
o EUKL managed (under contract) by InterCapital and Regional Rail (ICRR), a consortium of:
#61607; National Express Group (40%),
#61607; SNCF (35%)
#61607; NMBS/SNCB (15%)
#61607; British Airways (10%).

A Eurostar on the CTRL near Ashford (Wikimedia Commons)

Additional information

• The trains themselves are 400 metres long, weigh 800 tonnes and carry 750 passengers in 18 carriages (14 carriages for the 7 UK regional sets). In case of an incident in the Channel Tunnel the trains can be divided in two in order to evacuate the passengers in the unaffected carriages.

• In Britain the trains are classified as British Rail Class 373 units, and they were constructed by GEC-Alsthom (now Alstom) at its La Rochelle (France), Belfort (France) and Washwood Heath (England) sites. They can run on third rail and various catenary voltages, achieving a maximum in-service speed of 300 km/h when collecting current from a 25 kV overhead catenary. They are essentially modified TGV sets, and some Eurostar trains not needed for Channel runs are now used in regular TGV service by the French national railway. In July 2003 a Eurostar train set a new UK rail speed record of 334.7 km/h (208.0 mph) during safety testing on the first section of the CTRL. This section opened for commercial services in September 2003 and has helped increase passenger numbers by as much as 20%, as well as shortening journey times by 20 minutes.

• The 27 normal Eurostar-sets are being refurbished with a new interior, designed by Philippe Starck, from September 2004 on. The grey-yellow look (in Standard class) and the grey-red look (In First/Premium First) has been replaced with a more grey-brown look in Standard, and a grey-burnt orange in First class. The Premium First class will be removed from sale in September 2005 as the company looks to simplify its fare structure.

• Eurostar also run services to Disneyland Paris, to Avignon in summer, and - in the skiing season - to Bourg-Saint-Maurice, Aime-la-Plagne and Moutiers in the French Alps. It was originally intended to run "regional Eurostars", direct services to Paris and Brussels from places in the United Kingdom other than London. This proved not to be financially viable, but some of the shorter Eurostar trains intended for those services are now operated by GNER (the Great North Eastern Railway) entirely within the UK, on the East Coast Main Line from London's King's Cross railway station to Leeds. 'Nightstar' sleeper trains constructed for the international service were also never used, and the trains were sold to VIA Rail in Canada, which has branded them as Renaissance Cars.

• Eurotunnel, the company that built and runs the Channel Tunnel, is a completely separate entity from Eurostar.


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Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


Did you miss the first in the series, British Rail[?] Click on the URL:
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[coalminer3]

Good AfternoonBarkeep and All Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We'll do a themed set today "Walkin' After Midnight, Walkin' the Flloor Over You, and Sleep Walk." Patsy Cline, Ernest Tubb, and Santo & Johnny - not a bad lineup.

We had a bad one yesterday on the C&O. One fatality when the victim drove around gates at Sandstone to "beat" a slow-moving WB train and got smacked by EB #50, the "Cardinal," which T-boned on the driver's side at 60 mph. It took the train approx 1/2-3/4 mile to stop after the engineer dumped the air.

The victim was an elderly man who had gone to the store to get a paper, something he did every day, and was anxious to get back home. Gates were down and flashers were operating .

As a safety person, I can't stress the old rule enough - expect a train at any time on any track in any direction. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but restate it to your kids, significant other, etc. Thank you for your attention - now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Have been enjoying the pieces on British Rail and Eurostar. LMS is one of my favorie British operations. Also, thanks for the pre-history of the TTC. As for binders, I don't use 'em; I do, however, have back issues of some mags professionally bound it it's a long run of something I want to keep such as X2200 South (have those back to 1968, IIRC) The rest of the time I clip articles and put them in plastic sheets in 3-ring binders.

I'm trying to get some SP material together and am looking forward to seeing what we come up with.

work safe - I will be offline for awhile (unless schedule changes - it did 3 times this a.m.)

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

So, how's that story go[?] Threw a party and no one came[?] Rather lonely here at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill." Was beginning to think perhaps it's time to close 'er up . . . between breakfast and dinner, for we've got some rather loooooooooooong periods of inactivity.

Good to see CM3 liven up things 'round here with that "threesome" of tunes! He knows how to pick 'em, eh[?][swg][tup]

When I first moved to this area in '77 I was astounded at the number of rail crossings in the St. Louis area - moreso over in Illinois. Every day while driving to or from work I'd see people "navigating" around the down & flashing gates - crossing as many as four lines of track! It blew my mind as I had never seen that anywhere I'd been and it just seemed so "commonplace" here. So, when I read of the account of the fellow who lost his life in WVA, well I guess it's sad to say - one just cannot fix stupid, no matter how old one happened to be. Sad. I'm sure the Amtrak people are "tickled" over it too. Trains win all of the time, don't they[?]

Thanx for the round, the quarters and the heads up about being "offline." Couldn't come at a worse time - for I'm really lookng for some "help" tomorrow. Oh well . . .

See ya when the wind shifts![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

G'day Tom (to coin a phrase! That "fits" quite well in a bar . . . [swg])

Yet ANOTHER Euro Rail piece! [wow] Good one too, always wondered about that particular set up. Thanx![tup][tup][tup] Great shots too. Looking forward to Pete's comments - he made some great ones yesterday, along with some fine elaborations. Now there's a guy who KNOWS what he' s talking about. Sounds like a rounder to me, but a guy who also has a serious side. My kinda sailor![tup][tup][tup]

Amazing dedication that you have to this thread . . . . just wish we could provide you with a bit of a respite.

I'll do what I can tomorrow - wee bit pressed for time myself, but I'll at least try to maintain my PM schedule, and maybe even sneak one or two in earlier.[tup]

As you know, we're not plagued by the types of rail accidents seen at crossings throughout the country. If you recall, the S.I.R.T. did away with them decades and decades past. I too have seen what you've described and always wonder just what is it with people who do those things? A death wish is just about what I come up with every time. Nuts - just plain nuts.

Enjoyed the posts from trolleyboy Rob, barndad Doug & passengerfan Al - I'd say there's a strong cadre supporting this place right there! Who needs a "crowd"[?][swg]

Rob I'd love to make that trip in May, but as I have posted on some pages way back, we're going to California during that timeframe - it's firmed up and paid for. Next year? Well, I was hoping perhaps St. Louis would be the place. Centrally located - a great town and "knowing" Tom he'd be a great host! That's my "vote!" If I'm qualified to cast it, that is.[%-)]

Doug I think Tom was GENEROUS with his rating of this morning's "joke." UGH! Are there minuses on that scale[?][swg] I will say this, however, between the SUMMARY and the Yogi-isms and your jokes - why, who needs the funny papers[?]

Hey Al don't feel bad - there are days that go by around here when I'm not even sure of the month we're in, much less day of the week![swg] Enjoyed the Southern Pacific Streamliner![tup][tup]

Okay, I'll take one of those Pabst Blue Ribbon brews in a bottle if you please. Set up the house will ya, here's a ten spot to cover it! Oh yeah, a half hero will do - the usual, ok[?] Great!

Until the next time!

Lars

[passengerfan]

Good Afgternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house. I have the computer tech from the company coming by this afternoon so I will be able to do taxes from the house as well as the office all tied into the same system. Lots of customers just come by the office and drop off their tax information and it is beginning to pile up so guess I'm going to be taking some of it home, I'm not the only one if thats supposed to be a consolation.

Loved the Eurostar posting and recently had a client who took same last summer, He not into trains could not stop raving about that particular train. By his account it is better than any plane he has ever flown on.

TTFN AL

[red p]

" Hey Whats going on in here?"
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[pwolfe]

Hi Tom And all.

A pint of the Bathams XXX to warm me up as it has definately turned chilly here in Mid-Mo no sign of the bad weather yet. I,ll risk the Cod, Chips and Mushy Peas cooked by the fair hands of H&H. I hope that [C=:-)] NICK can return soon as he would surely enjoy the great posts of late. I will be good to hear his take on B.R.

How about TILLA the Hun for the Cash-register. ( I bet registers are not called tills over here [?])

AL Great post on the Daylights a good taster for the SP day next week.[tup].

ROB Thanks for clearing up the word Lingo for DOUG and I. It was in a song by skiffle singer Lonnie Donnegan in the 50s.
Great Classic Juice on the TTC look forward to part 2. I' m still amazed at the foxes in the Encore on the CNR [tup].

On the wheel arrangements the Whyte system was used in the U.K. with the same names although there was not as many types. The largest non- articulated type was the 9F 2-10-0s. There was only one type of articulated loco on the main lines this was a class of Bayer Garretts which worked on the Midland part of the LMS. I have not heard of them being known by their wheel arrangement which I believe was 2-6-2 2-6-2. they were just known as Garretts.

Reading the link on Tom's post on the wheel arrangements I was amazed that there was a 4-6-0 in North America nearly 50 years before there was in Britain[*^_^*].

CM3 Sorry to hear about the accident near you. In the English 'The Railway Magazine' that I have just recieved, there are 3 photos from the cameras that are mounted on some of the Barrier crossings in the U.K., showing vehicles trying to beat the barriers coming down. The worst is one where a car has stopped at the lowered half barrier and is being passed by a 4x4 weaving between them. Unbelieveable [:(!]. A great comment by the Editor was"Is it worth being a few minutes late in this word rather than a few years early in the next" Wise words indeed.

Another LMS man this was the company through my home town( in BR days). the Railway Magazine done a Great Western issue last year if they do one one the LMS I
will save a copy.

LARS Thanks for the comments. That post of Toms got me going. I cannot remember a time I was not interested in railways and I consider myself fortunate that it was still steam as I grew up. They were great days with a lot of kids interested mainly thanks to a gentleman named Ian Allen who produced books with the numbers, names and technical details of all the locos on British Railways. I will have to get in to some of the locomotive names some time.
Dare I ask. What is a 'rounder' [?][:)].

TOM Just looking through the pages at the bar here I realise what a great passenger system there was in N.America. What makes it sadder is that the railroads invested in new cars inthe 40s and 50s that must have been the best cars for the ordinary public ever built in the world, to lose this in such a short time is indeed very sad indeed. As the Eurostar is proving there is a future for medium length train travel.
The main good thing here is that the frieght on the railroads is increasing where as in Britain only a small percentage now goes by rail. [:(].

The Virgin Pendelinos were built as 53 sets of 8 cars they all all been increased to 9 cars and there is talk of making them 10 car sets. I only hope that the railways in the U.K. don't put off the newly won passengers by over-pricing.

Thanks for the Eurostar. I will definatly have to travel on the CTRL. I am[*^_^*] to say I have not been through the Chunnel yet. It is great that it is a viable competitor to the airlines. The Eurostar units are impressive and as far as I am aware reliable.
The ones that were used by GNER between London and Leeds has recently been returned to Eurostar.

What speeds the trains of today would be doing if Brunels 7 foot guage had been adopted is anyones guess.

I'll try the Fish n Chips but no carp please. PETE.

[Anonymous]

Evening Tom and all! I'll have a "Doug special."Hey Rob ... what is that? Sorry about the lack of Michigan quaters these days. I usually flatten them on the tracks at IRM ya know. Very nice Eurostar article Tom, and I'm hoping to make next years rendevous no matter were it is.

Rob, enjoyed your TTC article and CNR encore. You have been a busy boy!

AL, wonderful SP Daylight streamliner. It's always interesting to me to check-out the consists.

CM3, sorry to say I am not very sympathetic to those who get squashed at grade crossings. I figure it's God's way of weeding out the stupid ones.

Lars, critcal of my jokes ... eh? Well you brought this on yourself!

[:I] Two good ole boys down in Alabama were sitting around talking one afternoon over a cold beer...After a while the 1st guy says to the 2nd, "If'n I was to sneak over to your trailer Saturday & make love to your wife while you was off huntin', and she got pregnant and had a baby, would that make us kin?"
The 2nd guy crooked his head sideways for a minute, scratched his head, and squinted his eyes thinking real hard about the question. Finally, he says, "Well, I don't know about kin, but it sure would make us even." [:I]

AND

[:I] He ordered one hamburger, one order of french fries and one drink. The old man unwrapped the plain hamburger and carefully cut it in half. He placed one half in front of his wife. He then carefully counted out the french fries, dividing them into two piles and neatly placed one pile in front of his wife.
He took a sip of the drink, his wife took a sip and then set the cup down between them. As he began to eat his few bites of hamburger, the people around them kept looking over and whispering. You could tell they were thinking, "That poor old couple - all they can afford is one meal for the two of them."
As the man began to eat his fries a young man came to the table. He politely offered to buy another meal for the old couple. The old man said they were just fine - They were used to sharing everything. The surrounding people noticed the little old lady hadn't eaten a bite. She sat there watching her husband eat and occasionally taking turns sipping the drink. Again the young man came over and begged them to let him buy another meal for them. This time the old woman said, No, thank you, we are used to sharing everything."
As the old man finished and was wiping his face neatly with the napkin, the young man again came over to the little old lady who had yet to eat a single bite of food and asked "What is it you are waiting for?"
"The Teeth," she answered [:I]

Had enough?

Fortunately, here's the start of another series, on:

The Great Strike of 1877 by H.R. Edwards Railroad Stories Feb. 1936

The determination of Baltimore & Ohio officials to cut the wages of train and engine men in freight services on July 16th, 1877, at a time when flour was high and bread was scarce, led to the biggest railroad labor demonstration in American history.

It led to a walkout which tied up almost every road in fourteen states in that vast area of the Hudson River to the Mississippi and from Canada to Virginia. It led to mob rule which cost more than a hundred lives and the burning of property worth millions of dollars – an orgy of blood and fire which was stamped out by regular troops of the United States army in five of the fourteen states.

Of course, the wage reduction wasn’t the only point at issue. The men complained of irregular employment, since many were laid off away from home three or four days at a time in a single week, and of slow pay, since wages sometimes were held up as long as three or four months in a row. Then, too, it was the second ten per cent pay cut which the men suffered since the panic of 1873.

Logically, the strike should not have started on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, several other big roads had already imposed that second ten per cent pay cut before the B&O joined in the procession. Besides, the B&O had a pretty good excuse. John King, Jr., first vice president, explained that the great business depression which commenced in the autumn of 1873 had continued growing from bad to worse. The Baltimore & Ohio’s revenues had decreased greatly. Other trunk lines had reduced wages ten per cent, one of them on the first of June and two of them on the first of July.

“It will be observed,” stated King, “that the Baltimore & Ohio was the last company competing for the great trade of the West which made the second reduction of ten per cent. Since the panic of 1873, not only have rates of through freight and other traffic been reduced by severe and active competition, but the quantity in the aggregate has been diminished. Especially is this true in coal trade. And even with the (new) wage cut the average wages paid to train and engine men in freight service are 35 per cent higher than the wages paid in January, 1861, although the rates for through freight in 1861 were double those in 1877.”

King gave the following comparative figures for wages per day paid in B&O freight service:

…………….. January, 1861 ………………
…………………..Minimum…..Maximum
Conductors ………$1.35………$1.66
Brakemen…………$1.00………$1.33
Engineers…………$1.33………$3.00
Firemen…………..$1.11……….$1.75

…………….. July 16, 1877 ………………
…………………..Minimum…..Maximum
Conductors ………$1.80………$2.25
Brakemen…………$1.35………$1.58
Engineers…………$2.25………$2.93
Firemen…………..$1.35……….$1.53

The real reason behind the wage cut, of course, was the stupid competition for both freight and passenger service between New York and Chicago. This cut-throat competition had brought rates down to ridiculously low levels, often far below actual cost. For instance, livestock was carried from Chicago to New York, considerably over 900 miles, at a dollar a carload, and passengers were transported between the two cities for as little as $2,50 a round trip. Someone had to pay for those losses; the burden was passed on to the employees. Most of them accepted it without too much grumbling, but in Baltimore forty men in freight service showed resentment by leaving their trains, on the morning of July 16th, and declaring a strike.

The company answered their protest by hiring forty “scab” engine and trainmen in their place. But the strikers would not permit them to work. Assembling at Camden Junction, about three miles from the city, they stopped all freight trains and refused to let them run ni either direction. A drag from the West, bound for Locust Point, Md., was derailed by the strikers. The cars were smashed and the engine cab set afire.

Almost instantly the news flashed over the entire system. At Martinsburg, W.Va., where large B&O shops were located, a hundred members of train and engine crews joined the walkout and forcibly prevented new hands from operating the trains. Locomotives were uncoupled and run into sidings. A cattle shipment bound for Baltimore tried to pull out in Martinsburg. Strike sympathizers swarmed into the engine cab. One of them flourished a revolver and asked the scab engineer where he thought he was going.

“Tuh Baltimore,” replied to hoghead.
“Oh, no, you ain’t!” said the man with the gun. “You’re pulling this train back to the stockyards to be unloaded, and be *** quick about it!”

The train went back to the stockyards. Thereupon the railroad company sent a frantic telegram for help to the governor of West Virginia. The governor immediately sent seventy-five men of the Berkeley Light Infantry Guards, under the command of Captain C.J. Faulkner, Jr., who were rushed to Martinsburg on a B&O special.

Reaching Martinsburg, they unloaded into a crowd of about five hundred strike sympathizers. Threats and catcalls greeted them. Captain Faulkner put them to work at once, deploying them on both sides of a freight which a scab crew was attempting to take out of the city.

As the train reached a switch, a striker named Bill Vandergriff seized the switch ball to run it on a sidetrack. A militia man named John Poisal, who happened also to be the freight conductor, jumped from the pilot of the engine and attempted to replace the switch. What happened immediately after that will always remain a matter of controversy. Strike sympathizers insisted that Poisal fired the first shot. Poisal maintained later that Vandergriff carried a revolver and fired a bullet which grazed his cheek. This much is undisputed: Poisal and other militia men trained their revolvers on William Vandergriff, the striker. Vandergriff fell to the ground with bullet wounds in his hips, his head and arms.

In the excitement the scab crew took to their heels. Captain Faulkner rallied his men, issued command to march away. He saw the temper of the mob and was taking no more chances. The militia company went straight to the armory and ingloriously disbanded, leaving the strike sympathizers in possession of the field.

[:I] A kleptomaniac woman had been caught shoplifting in a supermarket and had to appear in court, taking along her long-suffering husband for marital support. The prosecution proved that the theft had taken place so the judge told her that, considering her record, he was forced to impose a jail term.
"This time you stole a can of tomatoes. There were six tomatoes in the can. Do you agree?" The woman agreed.
"Then I sentence you to six nights in jail."
The husband jumped to his feet, addressing the judge, "Your honor, may I approach the bench?"
"Well," said his honor, "this is somewhat unusual but I will make an exception in this case. You may approach the bench."
The husband wasted no time getting there and, leaning forward, he said in a low voice, "She also stole a can of peas." [:I]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

What a storm system we experienced this afternoon – temps dropped from 71 (F) to 40 (F) in less than 20 minutes – no kidding. Supposed to be in the 20s by the AM. Fortunately, nothing all that severe where we are, but the tornado sirens were blaring throughout the area – so something was happen’ and it wasn’t good. Living in mid-Continent USA is kinda like the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill” – one just never knows what to expect![swg]

I put out a “plea” for some help – and what do I get[?] Only ONE acknowledgment!! Sad – very sad.[tdn] There are times, Gents – there are times . . .

Looks like the Eurostar hit a positive note with some – that was the intent. The idea is to draw some comments, and that it did.[tup] Of course, there will always be some who simply cannot get it about the “inclusiveness” of this Thread. Screw ‘em . . .

To the acknowledgments:

LoveDomes Lars
Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 14:38:37

Always appreciate your visits, and of course generosity with the rounds! Those ten dollar bills must be printed in your basement at the rate you spend ‘em in here![swg]

I think I owe you an apology for a comment made the other day about the old R&H brewery on Staten Island. Yeah – I surely do remember it and the brew. In fact the summer before I enlisted in the USCG, I was working with my uncle as an apprentice plumber (a story for another time and place . . . ) Anyway, he won a contract to “re-pipe” the brewery. What a wonderful several weeks of that hot summer![swg]

You’d like Pete – he’s good “people” and would make a great shipmate![tup]

THANX VERY MUCH for the offer to help out tomorrow![tup][tup][tup]

passengerfan Al
Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 15:31:53

Thanx for the round! Sounds like quite an endorsement from your friend regarding “Eurostar.” Must’ve really impressed him . . .

pwolfe Pete
Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:55:58

You asked – here it is:

QUOTE: A "rounder" is a person who lives a hedonistic lifestyle, without moral inhibitions.
A rounder is a gambler who makes their living entirely at playing cards. Rounding used to be illegal in the United States due to gaming laws, however many states have eased these and allowed "home" poker games to take place.
Today, the term rounder carries a certain respect amongst card players, as they know anyone with that title knows their way around a table and is a person to be taken seriously, unlike the opposite of a rounder, a fish. Its definition has also changed to include players that make a living by "hustling" less experienced players in games during their "rounds".
Some noted rounders include Doyle Brunson, Amarillo Slim, and Sailor Roberts. A movie about poker named Rounders was made in 1998, starring Matt Damon and Edward Norton.

from: Wikipedia

Now that’s a good name for one of our cash registers: “TILLA” – yeah, I like that! And yes, we DO call ‘em TILS over here as well![swg] So, what’s the name for the other one[?] Thanx, Pete! Can always count on you to READ what’s been Posted!![tup][tup]

Should we make it over to Merry Olde the four of us will just have to make a point of traveling through the “Chunnel,” okay[?] Would be a great experience, fer sure, fer sure.

Appreciate your comments on the Eurostar and the rest . . . always interesting and always on point! Thanx![tup][tup][tup]


barndad Doug
Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:58:45

Hate to tell you this, but you BROKE the “Joke-o-meter!”[swg]

Looks like an interesting series and I’ll have to add it to the “stack” of things to read when things are slow – which is between 10 AM and 4 PM most days (except for Lars’ Posts . . . I did catch that wage scale chart, though – can you imagine![?]

Received your Email – thanx!

Be careful with “promises” – you may be held to ‘em![swg] Hope you do have the opportunity of joining us for the 2007 Rendezvous!


Okay, Gents – once again, Leon the Night Man will have the bar at 9 PM!


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening folks. Leon a round if you please sir.

tom you will be happy to know that H&H stayed out of Boris's shed ( I shackled them to the prep counter ) Wonder why Nick had those leg shackles in the kitchen anyway. I wil likley pop in and out tomorrow bit of a busy day off for me but I'll do my very best to move stuff along.

Great Eurostar article BTW Pete seems to have picked up on it rather instantly as well [tup]


I don't think that I can top those till names from Pete they just seem right to me. [tup][tup]Your emails were recieved and responded to as well.
Pete Still can't help you with the foxes,it's a head scratcher for me as well. The 4-6-0 was the lifeblood of both CN and CP between the two of them they litterally had thousands of them.

lars No problem about may I knew you were committed elsewhere we'll catch you in 2007 fer sure[tup]

Doug I give those last jokes three groans out of a possible six on the groanameter. Like the new article series, seeing those wage numbers I'm not suprised that strikes happened.

CM3 Nice to see you again sir, awfull to hear about that accident though. I'm amarzed at the number of people I see everyweek doing just what that guy did. Two years ago we had a rash of similar accidents here in Brantford. 90% of CN is elevated away from traffic throuhg the city and the bits that aren't are all gated and signalled. Yet that year saw 5 fatalities, one a car drove into the side of a train after the locomotives and the first 12 cars were through the crossing ! A cell phone was involved need I say more.

Well thunder and lightening happening outside so I'm gone for the day. Keep safe everyone. Rob

[siberianmo]

We open at 6 AM (all times zones!) (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

Mornin’ All! The best way to start the day is here with us![tup] Some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery along with a hot cuppa freshly brewed coffee “works” well! Then we have our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board. So, c’mon and join us![tup]

Anyone watching[?] We are coming up on the 5,000th reply at ”Our” Place! And there were “those” who said this Thread would fold-up in a matter of several weeks![tdn][swg]

NAME THE CASH REGISTERS! I think we’re going to have to come up with names for our two cash registers (both mechanical) one at each 1/3rd of the bar. So let’s kick that idea ‘round, okay After all, we have Coal Scuttle for the Pig’s Feet Jar “feeding” our Juke, Herr Wurltizer. So, why not a couple of names for the cash boxes So let’s have some ideas, Gents!

. . . . from Pete “Tilla the Hun” for one of ‘em.


HELP REQUIRED! for today. I will be away from the keyboard for about a 7 hour period. Should be departing here around 10 AM (Central), so PULEEEZE guys, try to fill in the “blanks” with appropriately TIMED Posts. Ain’t asking much – just spread ‘em out and all will go just fine. The good news is that Cindy is taking a “personal day” from the University and will fill in while I’m away![yeah][wow]


Daily Wisdom

If you ask me a question I don’t know, I’m not going to answer.
(yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear: Southern Pacific arrives next Tuesday! This will be the THEME for the DAY!

* Weekly Calendar:

Today: Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and – ENCORE! Saturday


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 03:39:03 (248) Streamliner #62, Daylight SP

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 05:27:09 (248) for passengerfan

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 05:30:28 (248) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 07:21:56 (248) Oooooooooops!

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 08:14:56 (248) Inclusive Post, etc.

(6) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 08:21:48 (248) Encore! Classic Steam #13 Forming of CNR

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 09:34:09 (248) Acknowledgments, etc.

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 11:21:32 (248) Railways of Europe #2 – Eurostar (London-Paris-Brussels)

(9) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 11:46:53 (248) AM visit, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 13:56:18 (248) reply to CM3, etc.

(11) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 14:38:37 (248) PM acknowledments, etc.

(12) passengerfan Al Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 15:31:53 (249) Pm acknowledgment, etc.

(13) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:22:40 (249)

(14) pwolfe Pete Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:55:58 (249) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) barndad Doug Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 17:58:45 (249) Inclusive Post, jokes & The Great Strike of 1877 & joke!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 19:01:11 (249) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 16 Feb 2006, 22:36:03 (249) Inclusive Post, etc.



NOW SHOWING:

The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre
. . . . . Double Features, all of the time . . . . .

. . . Sunday, February 12th thru 18th: Bound for Glory (1976) starring: David Carradine, Ronny Cox & Melinda Dillon – and – Emperor of the North Pole (1973) starring: Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine & Keith Carradine.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the early risers. Time for a coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER # 63

VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS CB&Q Trains 1-10 October 28, 1956 Chicago – Denver/Colorado Springs overnight daily 1,034 miles 16 hours 30 minutes
By Al

The last new full service long distance passenger trains to enter service before the advent of Amtrak on May 1, 1971 was the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEP-HYRS inaugurated October 28, 1956. These new lightweight streamlined VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR consists replaced the articulated DENVER ZEPHYR trains of 1936. The new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS had come a long ways since the 1936 version had been introduced, the most obvious difference was no articulated cars in the new trains and all cars in the new trains were of standard streamlined dimensions.. The new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR was the train that introduced the Budd built Slumbercoach to the traveling public with its 24 Single Rooms and 8 Double Rooms. The new cars provided coach passengers with their own individual room complete with bed and toilet facilities including sink for $7.00 single or 11.00 double in addition to the price of a coach ticket. Each of the new DENVER ZEPHYR train sets was assigned two of the new Slumbercoaches one between Chicago – Denver the other between Chicago and Colorado Springs by way of Denver. With the introduction of the new 1956 VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR trains they became double destination trains at their western end. Four cars in each morning’s arriving westbound VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR in Denver were uncoupled from that train and coupled to the rear of the waiting D&RGW westbound ROYAL GORGE. The ROYAL GORGE then departed dropping these four cars in Colorado Springs where they were serviced and made ready for there departure on the rear of the eastbound ROYAL GORGE that afternoon. Back in Denver the four cars for the DENVER ZEPHYR were switched to that train in time for the overnight run to Chicago. The VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR of 1956 like the older 1936 DENVER ZEPHYR consists were interesting in that they were among the few overnight trains that carried both sleeping cars and Parlor cars. The Parlor seating was sold on the westbound VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR between Chicago and Omaha while the eastbound VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYR sold Parlor seating space between Denver and Lincoln. Each consist of the new VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS was fourteen cars in length and at peak travel times expanded to eighteen cars when needed. At peak travel periods the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS even operated in sections, when that occurred there was usually a first class section for Sleeping Car and Parlor Car passengers and an all Coach section for those passengers. The head end cars were older lightweight stream-lined cars while all others were new. The following represents the 1956 VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS on January 31, 1957 after each consist had received its full compliment of Slumbercoaches.

The last new full service long distance passenger trains to enter service prior to Amtrak.

The VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS initially entered service with a single Slumbercoach in each consist operating Chicago - Denver. Before Christmas 1956 a second pair of Slumbercoaches were delivered for service in the VISTA-DOME DENVER ZEPHYRS and these were through cars to Colorado Springs.

CONSIST ONE

9990 EMD E9A 2,400 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

9993 EMD E9A 2,400 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1601 SILVER MAIL Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

906 ARGO Baggage Car

4741 SILVER REIN 50- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

4736 SILVER BRAND 24- Seat Vista Dome 46- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

4901 SILVER SLUMBER 24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach

4737 SILVER BIT 50- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach (Chicago – Colorado Springs)

254 SILVER KETTLE 24- Seat Vista Dome “Chuck Wagon” 19- Seat Coffee Shop 8- Seat Lunch Counter 4- Seat Dinette 15-Crew Dormitory Car (Chicago – Colorado Springs)

4902 SILVER REST 24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach (Chicago – Colorado Springs)

493 SILVER RIDGE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Chicago – Colorado Springs)

201 SILVER CHEF 48- Seat Dining Car

453 SILVER SWAN 5-Compartment 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

486 SILVER PLATEAU 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

487 SILVER HOLLOW 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

236 SILVER VERANDA 24-Seat Vista Dome 11- Revenue Seat Parlor 5- Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room Bar 12- Seat Lounge 12- Seat Lounge Observation

The following four cars in the above consist were through cars between Chicago and Colorado Springs. These cars were switched out of the arriving DENVER ZEPHYR every other morning and coupled to the rear of the D&RGW ROYAL GORGE waiting on another track at Denver Union Station. The four cars were dropped in Colorado Springs at the D&RGW station by the westbound ROYAL GORGE and were then cleaned and serviced and moved to the Santa Fe station to await the eastbound ROYAL GORGE for the return to Denver Union Station where the cars were added to that days eastbound DENVER ZEPHYR.

4737 SILVER BIT

254 SILVER KETTLE

4902 SILVER REST

493 SILVER RIDGE


CONSIST TWO

9985A EMD E9A 2,400 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

9985B EMD E9A 2,400 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1604 SILVER POUCH Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

907 OLYMPUS Baggage Car

4739 SILVER HALTER 50- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

4735 SILVER BUCKLE 24- Seat Vista Dome 46- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach

4900 SILVER SIESTA 24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach

4738 SILVER BLANKET 50- Revenue Seat Leg-Rest Coach (Colorado Springs – Chicago)

253 SILVER CUP 24- Seat Vista Dome “Chuck Wagon” 19- Seat Coffee Shop 8- Seat Lunch Counter 4- Seat Lounge 15-Crew Dormitory Car (Colorado Springs – Chicago)

4903 SILVER REPOSE 24-Single Room 8-Double Room Slumbercoach (Colorado Springs – Chicago)

485 SILVER TERRAIN 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Colorado Springs – Chicago)

202 SILVER TUREEN 48- Seat Dining Car

454 SILVER PELICAN 5-Compartment 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

491 SILVER RAVINE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

488 SILVER BOULDER 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

235 SILVER CHATEAU 24- Seat Vista Dome 11- Revenue Seat Parlor 5- Revenue Seat Parlor Drawing Room Bar 12- Seat Lounge 12- Seat Lounge Observation

The following cars in consist two operated as through Chicago – Colorado Springs cars. See the paragraph at the end of consist one for more complete details.

4738 SILVER BLANKET

253 SILVER CUP

4903 SILVER REPOSE

485 SILVER TERRAIN

Another unusual feature of the DENVER ZEPHYRS was the fact they were one of but a handful of trains in the United States to operate with both sleeping cars and Parlor seating in the same train. This was a carry over from the earlier DENVER ZEPHYR where both types of first class accommodation operated. Actually the westbound DENVER ZEPHYR carried Parlor car passengers between Chicago and Omaha and eastbound the DENVER ZEPHYR carried Parlor car passengers between Denver and Lincoln.
The DENVER ZEPHYR was probably one of the finest streamlined trains in the United States and was certainly one of the finest constructed by Budd. Like all CB&Q Budd built cars the DENVER ZEPHYR cars were deluxe cars with full side skirting, something Carmen often complained about especially when the cars arrived after a winter storm on the plains and were covered in ice, but it certainly gave the cars a finished appearance. Few other roads ordered Budd cars with full skirting instead all of the underbody equipment was visible as the cars were viewed from the side. Only the CB&Q ordered deluxe cars from Budd for every ZEPHYR they ever operated.

TTFN AL

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! I'll have two light breakfasts, and some reading spectacles for Al's latest streamliner post. I definitely love all things Zephyr!

Sorry I can't be of help with posts during the day. Gotta do the work thing, ya know. But here's another part of the 1877 strike series:

The Great Strike of 1877 by H.R. Edwards Railroad Stories Feb. 1936

The railroad yards around Martinsburg were very much congested, with trains standing on all the sidetracks. Rioters were celebrating. There was nothing that local authorities could do but close all the liquor saloons in the city and send out a call for state and federal aid.

Meanwhile the strike movement was spreading westward to Wheeling, on the main stem, and also to the Parkersburg branch. The governor, Henry Matthews, appealed to the President of the United States, Rutherford B. Hayes. Mr. Hayes responded promptly, issuing a proclamation which ordered the rioters to disperse, and sending 400 troops of the regular army under Major General William H. French from Washington on a special train. William Keyser, the B&O’s second vice president, accompanied them in his car.

The soldiers reached Martinsburg early on the morning of July 19th. They were armed for battle, with Springfield rifles and three Gatling guns. They found 1,500 freight cars, some loaded, and seventy-three locomotives blocking the sidetracks in and about the city, but the main line was still open.

That day, under protection of bayonets, freight traffic started moving again to the east and west from Martinsburg. The blockade was partly lifted, but the strike was not ended. Indeed, it had barely begun. Inflamed by military interference, it became general even before nightfall of the 19th, crossing the Ohio River and extending as far west as Chicago.

At Grafton, W. Va., strikers cut bolts and connecting chains from all freight locomotives, ruining them for immediate use, and driving off the engine crews by force. At Newark and Columbus, Oh., freight trains were stopped and the wires west of Martinsburg were cut.

The second railroad to be swept into the strike was the Pennsylvania. On the morning of July 19th, the third day after the movement had started in Baltimore, the Pennsy freight men struck Pittsburgh, partly out of sympathy with the B&O strikers, but chiefly because the company doubled the number of cars on each train without increasing the number of crew, and also had more than doubled the distance.

At the morning call, strikers assembled in the yards and stopped every drag that attempted to roll a wheel. A dozen cattle trains at the East Liberty stockyards also were stopped. By midnight of the 19th fully 1,400 men had gathered in the two yards, and 1,500 cars were standing on the sidings; 200 of them were loaded with perishable goods.

Meanwhile, B&O Railroad officials balked at furnishing additional transportation to Major General French and his troops except on orders directly from Vice President King, because of the drunken condition of Major General French himself The railroad company was reported to have supplied three gallons of whiskey and two dozen bottles of ale in twenty-four hours for use in the general’s private car. Major General French answered the charges indignantly: “I think it outrageous hat if the officials put whiskey on board they should turn afterward on the officers for accepting the hospitality.”

Finally on the 22nd, the troops were given another special train and went merrily on their way. But while this petty bickering was going on, one of the bloodiest days of the strike was written in history.

Word reached Baltimore on the afternoon of the 20th that all freight trains leaving Martinsburg that day (still under military protection) were being stopped by strikers at Cumberland, Md., and the crews being taken off them. Thereupon the governor of Maryland, John Lee Carroll, issued an anti-rioting proclamation and ordered out the state militia at Baltimore. All day long throngs of citizens had been milling about the city anxiously watching the bulletin boards at newspaper offices and arguing over the situation. The clang of firebells at 5:30 P.M., calling the men to their armories for military duty, created the wildest excitement.

As the alarm rang out, crowds made their way toward the armories of the various regiments. That of the Sixth was located at Front and Fayette Streets, in a neighborhood frequented by the rough element. Before 6 P.M. a crowd of at least 2,000 men, women and children of Baltimore had surrounded the armory and were protesting military intervention. The crowd kept growing as men poured out of factories, sweat shops, stores and offices. Streets leading to the Sixth Regiment armory were jammed with a yelling cursing mob.

At 7:30 a man in uniform endeavored to get into the building. The rioters seized him, threw him over a bridge into Jone’s Falls, a stream which ran through that section of the city. Other militia men were seized and thrown over the heads of the mob; they were glad to escape with slight injuries. Then someone threw a brick at the soldier guarding a door of the armory. It was followed by a shower of missiles, which soon destroyed windows and doors of the building and injured some of the men. The whole available police force of the district was concentrated at this spot, but was powerless to quell the rising tumult.

At 8:15 P.M. Colonel Peters decided to march his command of 150 men to the Camden Station, to which General Herbert had ordered them to report. Each man was supplied with twenty rounds of ammunition and a breech loading Springfield rifle. They marched out with rifles loaded.

When they reached the door, passing out two by two, the order was given to stoop down as a shower of missiles greeted their appearance. The citizen soldiery wavered a moment, then marched solidly into the street, pressing back the angry mob and dodging stones. Finally the “tin soldiers”, as they were derisively called, could contain themselves no longer and opened fire on the strike sympathizers.

From then on, their progress toward the station was a series of rifle volleys in answer to showers of stones and scattering shots. Stores were hastily closed; peaceful citizens got off the main streets. At least nine persons were shot dead by the militia in their march to the depot, and a large number were wounded. The Fifth Regiment also was attacked en route to the station. All in all, it was a sad-looking group of citizen soldiers which finally reached the shelter of the railroad station. Vice President King of the B&O turned his private car into a hospital for the benefit of his military allies.

Late in the night of July 21st the rioters in West Baltimore set fire to a 37-car train of coal oil. This they fired by throwing wads of cotton waste saturated with flaming oil onto the train, but only seven cars, with three hundred barrels of oil, were burned. The rioters intended to run the train into Mount Clare and destroy the huge B&O shops there.

Shortly after a conflagration broke out near the President Street depot of the Philadelphia, Wilmington & Baltimore Railroad in Baltimore, but the efforts of police and firemen saved the station.

[:I] A man was being tailgated by a stressed out woman on a busy boulevard. Suddenly, the light turned yellow, just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk, even though he could have beaten the red light by accelerating through the intersection. The tailgating woman hit the roof, and the horn, screaming in frustration as she missed her chance to get through the intersection. As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer. The officer ordered her to exit her car with her hands up. He took her to the police station where she was searched, finger printed, photographed, and placed in a holding cell. After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk where the arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects.
He said, "I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy in front of you, and cussing a blue streak at him. I noticed the 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, the 'Follow Me to Sunday-School' bumper sticker, and the chrome-plated Christian fish emblem on the trunk. Naturally, I assumed you had stolen the car." [:I]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Gents!

Blue sky day here in mid-Continent USA - but a bit on the chilly side - 21 (F) at Juneau walking time of 6:30 AM. Supposed to reach lower 30s - but the we're into single digits for the weekend mornings.[wow] No snow! Arggggggggggggggggh [tdn]

Three Posts since I departed last night - one offer of help, which I appreciate very much. Thanx, Rob!! Three Posts and only one on the inclusive side. Thanx again, Rob! [tup] Doug's joke rates a 7 on the "Snicker-scale."[swg]

Gonna be a long day for me and if you haven't a "clue" what I'm referring to, check the SUMMARY! Have 110 mile round trip to make, and the drive is about as exciting as watching paint dry![tdn]<grim>

So, Gents - I will be taking my leave shortly after some Posts to keep things movin' along . . .

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

Remember, to get acknowledged, one must acknowledge!

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

Been awhile since you've seen a "new" Nostalgia piece - so try this one out:

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #68

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1954 advertisement from my private collection:

A Natural for Slumber

Nature made only one low-level route between East and Midwest. And for a hundred years, New York Central has improved on Nature for your comfort.

Start your trip with refreshments in the lounge. Chat, read, relax as your diesel-electric dreamliner glides over a roadbed smooth as a garden path.

Later, sit at leisure over a famous New York Central dinner. Enjoy it in the diner . . . or in the privacy of your own Pullman hotel-room-on-wheels.

Bedtime is best of all! Your big, soft bed is waiting. So drift off to dreamland with a deep-down sense of all weather security no skyway or highway can match.

For you’re traveling the naturally gentle Water Level Route. And on the level, you can sleep!

For a Headstart on Tomorrow, Go New York Central Tonight!

CHICAGO – NEW YORK
20th Century Limited – Commodore Vanderbilt

CHICAGO – BOSTON
New England States

NEW YORK – St. LOUIS
Southwestern Limited – The Knickerbocker

NEW YORK – CLEVELAND
Cleveland Limited

NEW YORK – DETROIT
The Detroiter

CINCINNATI – NEW YORK
Ohio State Limited

DETROIT – CHICAGO
Motor City Special

CLEVELAND – CHICAGO]
The Forest City

New York Central’s Water Level Route

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Here's something for Pete who appreciates the maps of US RRs . . . .

New York Central (NYC) (1929) [Wikimedia Commons]


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Canadian Railways of the Past

Number Two: Northern Alberta Railways (NAR)




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Northern Alberta Railways

Locale: Alberta, British Columbia

Reporting marks: NAR

Dates of operation: 1929 – 1981

Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge)

Headquarters: Edmonton, Alberta


The Northern Alberta Railways (AAR reporting mark: NAR) was a Canadian railway which served northern Alberta and northeastern British Columbia. Jointly owned by both Canadian National Railway and Canadian Pacific Railway, NAR existed as a separate company from 1929 until 1981.


Predecessor railways

Railway construction in northern Alberta during the early 20th century was dominated by the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway and the Canadian Northern Railway, both of which were building westward from Edmonton, AB to the Yellowhead Pass of the Rocky Mountains.

Following the Dominion Land Survey grants to settlers, the Peace River region of northwestern Alberta was one of the few places left on the prairies with available agricultural land, however there was no railway connection.
Several lines were chartered to serve both the Peace River and Waterways regions of the province, beginning with the Athabaska Railway in 1907. It was to build northeast from Edmonton to Dunvegan, AB, then to Fort George, BC.

ED&BC

The company was rechartered in 1911 under the ownership of J.D. McArthur as the Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia Railway (ED&BC). Construction of the ED&BC started in 1912 heading toward Westlock, AB, reaching High Prairie in 1914, and Spirit River in 1915. Deciding not to proceed to Dunvegan, a branch was built south from Rycroft, AB to Grande Prairie, AB in 1916 (400 miles northwest from Edmonton).
In 1924 the line was extended to Wembley, AB and it reached Hythe, AB in 1928. In 1930 the line was extended westward across the provincial boundary to its western terminus at Dawson Creek, BC.

A&GW

In 1909 a charter was granted to the Alberta and Great Waterways Railway (A&GW) to build from Edmonton to Waterways, AB on the Athabasca River. Construction faltered and the line was rechartered in 1913 under the ownership of J.D. McArthur. Construction of the AG&W began in 1914 from Carbondale, AB and reached Lac La Biche, AB in 1916. It reached Draper, AB in 1922 and its terminus at Waterways, AB in 1925.

CCR

In 1913 a charter was granted to the Central Canada Railway (CCR) under the ownership of J.D. McArthur to build from Winagami Junction, AB on the ED&BC to Peace River Crossing, AB in order to access barge traffic on the Peace River. Construction of the CCR began in 1914 and was completed in 1916.

The CCR was subsequently extended to Berwyn, AB in 1921, then to Whitelaw, AB in 1924, Fairview, AB in 1928 and Hines Creek, AB in 1930.

PVR

In 1926, the provincial government passed a statute authorizing the government to construct the Pembina Valley Railway from Busby, AB, where it connected to the ED&BC line, to Barrhead, AB.

Provincial ownership

In 1920, the lines owned by J.D. McArthur entered financial difficulties following the First World War. Coinciding with the problems faced by the McArthur lines (ED&BC, A&GW, and CCR), both the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway (GTPR) and Canadian Northern Railway (CNoR) had fallen victim to similar circumstances brought about by the financial strain of the conflict and falling traffic levels. The Dominion government had nationalized the GTPR and CNoR, along with other previously federally owned lines into the Canadian National Railways.

Following the federal example, and in an attempt to preserve rail service to northern and northwestern Alberta, the provincial government leased the ED&BC and CCR in 1920 for five years. In 1921 the government entered into a five year agreement with the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) to operate the ED&BC and CCR. That same year, the provincial government purchased the A&GW outright and chose to operate it separately.

CPR immediately raised freight rates on the ED&BC and CCR lines, charging "mountain prices", claiming that the cost of operating on grades into the Peace and Smoky River valleys of the northwestern prairie was as much as it cost to operate in the Rocky Mountains. Consequently Peace River farmers paid the highest freight charges on the Canadian prairies to reach the lakehead at Port Arthur and Fort William.

The provincial government purchased the ED&BC and CCR from McArthur in 1925, following the expiration of the five year lease. dissatisfied with the CPR's operation of the ED&BC and CCR, the provincial government allowed the operating contract for the these railways to expire in 1926, with operations subsequently taken over by the new provincial Department of Railways and Telecommunications which was also tasked to operate the AG&W and the newly-built PVR.

In 1928, the provincial government began to solicit proposals from both the CPR and the Canadian National Railways (CNR) for purchasing the provincial railways. In 1924, CNR president Sir Henry Thornton visited the ED&BC line and in 1928, CPR president Edward Beattie did the same.

Northern Alberta Railways

In 1929 the provincial government grouped the ED&BC, CCR, AG&W, and PVR under the collective name Northern Alberta Railways (NAR), which received a federal charter on June 14. The NAR was subsequently sold to both the CNR and CPR in equal portions with both companies agreeing to maintain the NAR as a joint subsidiary. At that time, the NAR was the third-largest railway in Canada. In 1937 the NAR began to show a profit for the first time.

In summer 1942, following the entry of the United States into the Second World War, the Alaska Highway civil defence project resulted in tremendous growth for the NAR, as the system was the only railway to service Alaska Highway mile 0 at Dawson Creek.

NAR also saw increased traffic from defence spending in both the Peace River and Fort McMurray regions as Royal Canadian Air Force training bases for the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan were established.

In 1958 the Pacific Great Eastern Railway (PGE), owned by the province of British Columbia, built east to Dawson Creek, BC and then north to Fort St. John, BC. Traffic from Dawson Creek which used to run on NAR now mostly ran on PGE.

NAR completely dieselized its locomotive fleet by October 1960.

Beginning in the 1960s, Alberta's nascent oil and gas industry began to have an impact on the NAR as traffic began to increase on both the Dawson Creek and Fort McMurray branches. In 1964, the federal government built the Great Slave Railway north from the NAR at Grimshaw, AB to Hay River, NWT to carry passengers and cargo which could then be transferred to barges and continue down the Mackenzie River.

In 1966, the passenger train to Waterways was replaced by Budd Rail Diesel Cars, but the experiment was unsuccessful, and it was replaced in 1967 by a mixed train. On June 1, 1974, the passenger train to Dawson Creek was discontinued.

During the 1970s, significant investments also began in the Fort McMurray region as the Athabaskan tar sands deposits began to be exploited.

Canadian National Railway

In 1981, CN (name/acronym) change after 1960 bought out CPR's share in the NAR system and incorporated these lines into the CN network, allowing CN to operate unhindered north from Edmonton to Hay River, NWT and west to Dawson Creek, BC. NAR disappeared as a corporate entity with the departure of CPR from the joint ownership. NAR shops and Dunvegan Yards in Edmonton were demolished and the new Dunvegan Woods housing development was built on the site.

In 1996, CN identified parts of its former NAR trackage for divestiture, either through sale or abandonment. Several lines were subsequently sold to shortline operators.

• Swan Landing, AB (near Jasper) to Grand Prairie, AB (the former Alberta Resources Railway) and west to Hythe, AB (west of Grand Prairie on the NAR) is now operated by Alberta Railnet (ARN), which is owned by North American Railnet. CN has maintained ownership of the portion between Hythe, AB and Dawson Creek, BC where it connects to former BC Rail trackage. The trackage between Hythe and Dawson Creek fell into disuse in 1998, but CN agreed to re-open it as a condition of purchasing BC Rail.

• Edmonton, AB to Boyle, AB (east of Fort McMurray) was purchased in 1997 by the Lakeland and Waterways Railway (LWR), a subsidiary of Canadian shortline holding company RailLink. RailLink was subsequently purchased by RailAmerica.

• Boyle, AB to Fort McMurray, AB is now operated by Athabascan Northern Railway and is owned by shortline operator Cando Contracting.

• CN maintains ownership of former NAR trackage between Edmonton, AB and Smith, AB.

• North and west of Smith, AB, the former NAR to Peace River, AB and Grimshaw, AB, as well as all of the ex-Great Slave Railway north from Grimshaw, AB to Hay River, NWT, was purchased in 1998 by the Mackenzie Northern Railway (MKNR), a subsidiary of Canadian shortline holding company RailLink. RailLink was subsequently purchased by RailAmerica.

References

• Schneider, Ena (1989). Ribbons of Steel:The Story of the Northern Alberta Railways, Detselig Enterprises Limited, Calgary, Alberta. ISBN 0-920490-97-2.

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Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

Did you miss the first in the series[?] Click on the URL:
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=246&TOPIC_ID=35270

Watch for the next installment: British Columbia Railways in two parts - date to be announced![tup]



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[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Gents!

Looks like our “Steamed Proprietor” has set sail for his adventures . . . so it’s just “us,” huh[?] Let’s see, nope can’t really “do that,” as Cindy seems to be watching my every move! (I wish!! [}:)][:-,] Boris is “lurking” over in the shadows too – looks like one better behave around here today![swg]

Don’t know if the thunder storms we’re getting are part of that system you mentioned Tom but we’re supposed to have a doozy of a day with temperatures again into the 50s – snow is fast melting – dirty, slush, etc. Yuck – double yuck!

So, set me up with a brew, if you please you sweet thing! Ummmmmmm, a Rheingold in a frosty bottle should do it – and yes, a mug too if you please. I’ll take one of those great hoagie sandwiches – make it ham, swiss, butter & mustard and two large pickles from the barrel – thanks![tup] Man she provides a new definition to the word, “move.” Ummmmmmmm um! [}:)][:-,]

Sweet! posts this morning, Tom! ALWAYS appreciate the NYC – a great, great road and I still scroll back to the “theme day” of the recent past. Good stuff![tup] Also, that “Canadian Railways of the Past” series is not only a good idea, but extremely informative and right on the mark for what you want this thread to be all about. (Or is that “aboot” up there in the frozen north, Rob[?][swg])

Don’t know what to tell ya, Doug some guys “have it,” others “try for it,” and still others “haven’t a clue about it!”[swg] Not a bad joke – but not a good one either!![swg]



Ok – what to contribute[?] No particular “theme” today, however I do see a couple of NYC pieces, so that looks good enough. Check this out:

Name trains of the New York Central (NYC)

QUOTE:

1. Berkshire
2. Booth Tarkington
3. Buffalo-Pittsburgh Express
4. Canadian
5. Chicago Express
6. Chicago Mercury
7. Chicagoan
8. Cincinnati Special
9. Cleveland Limited
10. Cleveland Mercury
11. Cleveland-Columbus Special
12. Columbus-Cleveland Special
13. Commodore Vanderbilt
14. Detroiter
15. DeWitt Clinton
16. Easterner
17. Empire State Express
18. Fifth Avennue Special
19. Forest City
20. Gateway
21. Great Lakes
22. Hendrick Hudson
23. Interstate Express
24. Iroquois
25. James Whitcomb Riley
26. Knickerbocker
27. Laurentian
28. Michigan
29. Michigan Special
30. Midnight Special
31. Midwestern
32. Minute Man
33. Missourian
34. Mohawk
35. Montreal Limited
36. Motor City Special
37. Mountain Express
38. New England States
39. New York Special
40. Niagara
41. North Shore Limited
42. North Star
43. Northerner
44. Ohio Special
45. Ohio State Limited
46. Ontarion
47. Overseas
48. Pacemaker
49. Pittsburgh-Buffalo Express
50. Royal York
51. South Shore
52. Southwestern State Special
53. Sycamore
54. Texas Special
55. Tuscarora
56. Twentieth Century Limited
57. Twilight Limited
58. Wolverine

There she be! Not meant to be all inclusive as some would have it – just a nice long list of names that may bring back some great memories (I hope!)[tup]

Hope you guys pitch in with helping to keep us “current” on the page. Just spread out the posts and as Tom said, it will work out.

Until this afternoon!

Lars

[trolleyboy]

Good morning Cindy,you are looking positivly striking today[:O][tup][:P] What's that oh that yes Tex can be a bit not so well trained. I'd say rub his nose in it but he just rolls up in a ball and makes a bigger mess[:O][xx(] Boris get the mop Cindy has a job for you. Ever notice how well he responds to Cindy and Nick's directions as opposed to the rest of us hmmm.


Tom I would say happy trails but from your description of that trip it sounds like the hour long treck on the QEW from Niagara falls to Fort Erie ,<gag and double gag>

I've always liked the NAR beautiful paintscheme on their locomotives ( diesel) Nice blue& grey with yellow pinstriping and trim> Similar to the Central of Georgia. Interesting first gen diesels on that line as well. High hood dual purpose GP7's and the ubiquitous GMD1's in the A1A- A1A format. The piture of CN 1430 I posted a couple Sunday's ago is a former NAR locomotive. CN's only SD38's also came from the NAR. They had quite the diverse steam fleet as well Consolidations and ten wheelers mostly all with the full enclosed cabs ( when it hits -40C most of the winter those cabs aren't an option )

Nice re-roll of the NYC and NYC map [tup] I've always been a closet NYC fan due to their fairly extensive trackage in southern and South western Ontario, of all the US roads from the "classic " era I had always thought that thier's was the "snappiest" paint scheme ( lighteneing stripes )

lars Hey nice to see you again this morning,Loved seeing the passenger train list that you compiled for us. [tup] Oh and a boot is what i where on my feet <sheesh> Colonials, you can't live with em and you can't live with out em[;)][:D][:-^]
They still make rhiengold ( shudder ) hasn't been available here in years.


Doug Part two is quite good my friend, i'm getting the feeling that the general strike won't stop aat just the Pennsey and the B&O. Oh the suspense. Actually it's a quite sobbering story,shows the many unintended or intended uses for the railways.The CPR also ferried troops west in 1885 to put down the Northwest rebellion, I can relate to you the great worker strikes here in the early 30's when out of work farmers and factory workers from the west road the tops of CNR and CPR freight trains to Ottawa and Toronto to look for work and protest the Liberal governments apparent unwillingness to help them during those early years of the depression.

Today's joke only lit up one tick on the groanameter,better content [tup][tup]

Al Nice Zepher piece, looks like you hit a homer in doug's eyes with that one.

That's it for Now be back in a bit

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good day again folks,here's a bit of "lite" reading. Seeing as how tom and Lars have both picked up an NYC theme today here's an ad to go along with their efforts today.

CLASSIC AD'S # 4 THE EMPIRE STATE EXPRESS


The New Empire State Express

Again New York central makes transportation history with a new streamlined Empire State Express Her is really a new way to travel- new in luxury - new in the relaxation and pleasure it offers you.


Built of stainles steel with interiors as comfortable as they are beautiful. smart solarium observation ; tavern lounge and dining cars. all seats reserved in Parlour Cars and Reclining Seat Coaches. Same low fares !

Westbound

LV New York..... 9:00 am
Ar Buffalo ......... 4:50pm
Ar St thomas......7:45pm
Ar Detroit.............9:55pm


Eastbound

LV Detroit............8:30am
Ar St Thomas...10:32am
Ar Buffalo.............1:30pm
Ar New York.........9:30pm

This train travelled accross the TH&B in southern Ontario as a shortcut between Ny and Detroit. This was listed in the New york Central's/ michigan centrals time table dated November 30 1941. The service started in service westbound on Dec 7 1941 and eastbound dec 8 1941. Note the start dates for the train. I imagine that it did not get much fanfare.

[trolleyboy]

Afternoon again folks. Cindy a nice big pastromi on Rye would be lovely,here's some mmoney to drop into the coal scuttle as well,goyya keep her wurlitzer fed donchaknow.I see that the track gangs have been in,quite the tip jar they have going for you Cindy.you would think that they liked talking to you more than Tom.

Tom A thought occured not a real important one, but I had oroginally thought that you would see #5000 at about the same time as page 300, I think that I'm a tad off of that. Still three cheers for the barkeep for keeping that many posts more or less inline and ontopic no easy task. [tup][tup][tup]

So as promissed earlier another data dump on the TTC

CLASSIC JUICE # 22 THE PREHISTORY OF THE TTC PT 2

As we left of before we were disscussing the pre - merger/ city ownership and control of the now TTC. Pt when delt with the TRC and the old Horse railways from 1861-1921.

The Toronto Civic Railways

Beacause of the refusal on the TRC's part to expand,the city felt something had to be done if development in it's newly annexed areas were to proceed.The Toronto Civic Railways (TCR) was crated in 1911 to this end. Lines were constructed on St Clair,Lansdowne, and Danforth avenues, and on Gerrard and Bloor Streets.There was a fare of 2 cents charged, six tickets for a dime,and transfer privilages on the St Clair amd Lansdowne routes, as these were the only two Civic lines that were physically connected to one another.No transfer arrangements were made with the TRC.The Civic lines did not use turning loops so as such all their cars were double ended. The Civic would continue in operation until 1921, when it was brought under the control of the TTC.

The Toronto Suburban Railway

The TSR, which operated radial lines out of Toronto,provided transportation in the city over some of their own streetcar routes at a separate fare cost.These services ran from the "junction" area of Dundas and Keele streets to the western and northern city limits.Also operated was a route from St Clair and Keele along Davenport Road ending at Bathurst Street.

After TTC operations took over in 1921, the TSR continued to operate these routes for the TTC " in trust ". Once negotiations were concluded in 1923 the TTC aquired these routes outright

Toronto and York Radial Railways

The T & YRR, also operated several radial lines in the Toronto area, and amongst these were severak separate fare street car lines operated inside the city limits.These services were along Kingston Road from Queen street to Victoria Park Ave, Lakeshore Road from the Humber river to Roncesvalles Ave,and the area of Yonge street above Woodlawn Ave, which at the time was known as North Toronto whick was annexed by the city in 1912. Each of these lines continued nto the suburban hinterlands.

The T&Y lines were purchased by the city in 1920 so as to obtain the city protions of them for the TTC. After a period of operation by the Provinces Hydro Electric Commission, the rural portions of these lines also came under TTC control in Jan 1927.

Pt 3 later

Rob

[LoveDomes]

G'day Tom and whoever is in the back room!

Aside from our regular Rob this has been one of those "Hit 'n Miss - or Feast or Famine" days Tom refers to! Rather quiet, to say the least.

On behalf of our "Steamed Proprietor," I thank you Rob for hleping to keep this thread moving along!~[tup][tup][tup] Always good info eminating from north of the 49th (but technically, that ain't YOU![swg])

Got some bad news from the home front - we're taking on water in the bilges! Pumps can't handle it and I'm about to head off to rent or buy a LARGE unit to get the water out of our basement. Terrible mess and I can see what I'll be doing this weekend! Blasted snow and now rain, and I mean rain.

So, that's about all I have time for, Tom! At least this post "counts," huh[?]

May not be back 'til the bailng's done ..... I think we're taking on a starboard list and sinking by the bow!


Until who knows when![V]

Lars

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom And All.

A pint of Bathams and whats that you say CINDY, TEX has finished off the remainder of last nights fish, oh well I'll have a sarnie please.

ROB Good job looking after the bar and info on the topics. [tup]. TOM as set us up well with NYC Sleepers and the NAR the second part of the great Canadian Railways of the Past a line that had to wait quite a few years before it made a profit. Thanks for part 2 of the Juice on the TTC and the info on the NAR.

The 4-6-0 was a probably the most numberous wheel arrangement in Britain although right to end of steam there were 0-6-0s still on goods traffic, in fact in 1948 when British Railways was formed BR recieved over 2500 engines of the 0-6-0 type from the L.N.E.R. The Great Western Railway only built one Pacific, in around 1908. They never built any thing bigger for Mixed-traffic and Passenger than a 4-6-0.

AL Good post on the Zephers. When I was in Denver a while back, in Union Station there was some vintage cars, have you any details on them[?].

DOUG Another good series on the Great Strike. They sure were rough times. It makes the General Strike of England in 1926 seem tame. Looking forward to future installments. Keep the jokes coming [(-D][tup].

LARS Impressive list of name trains of the NYC.

TOM Many thanks for the map[tup] We seem to have missed the high winds in Mid-Mo and although it is chilly there was no precip at all here.

Thanks for the Rounder info when I was any good at skittles I did have quite a few free drinks from it . When the wife and I go to Pats Place we play Crib for the tab but I have not been too sucessful of late, more practise required[oops].

Oh well back to the chores. Whos cooking the steak this evening[?]. PETE.

LARS Just caught your last post. I really hope things turn out all right with the basement Pete.