"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon folks. Wonderfull pictures so far. I'll give appropriate replies to earlier posts later. [#welcome] back Don good to see you. Ans thank's for sending through a shot of my favourite locomotive type the RS-18. Anu way first round s the pictures that I wwas unable to put up last week. these shots will correspond with my last Classic Juice piece on the Toronto Civic railway. First three shots show the TCT cars as they appeared in later TTC service. Click To Enlarge



This shot is Toronto Civic car #2 arriving on GTW railway flatcar in 1915



Ex TCR Birney car #63 in service as TTC 2222 in 1946



Single truck sweeper S19 ( TTC number ) cae was TCR #6 built 1915



TCR #55 in TCR paint at our museum August 2005 car originally built in 1915



TCR #52 at our museum as in it's rebuilt state as subway grinder RT7 original blt 1915



Ex TCR 57 at our museum as it now is as surface railgrinder W28 original blt 1917

Three sisters still with us !

Enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Here's another couple of shots from bayview



Cp rail train heading up CN's oakville sub. CP rail serves the Oakville Ford assembly plant an duses CN's route through Bayview jct. ( Old TH&B trackage rights )



Track level shot of CN train at Bayview jct



Via train 94 from Niagara falls at Bayview jct



sideview of OSR RS18u at St Thomas Ontario

enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Howdy Hi there Tom, I see that you are in can I intrest you in a blue[?]

here's a couple more shots of generaltrains and streetcars.


Small witt car 2666 at the TTC's hillcrest shops , photo's from 1946. Not the join the RCAF poster on the ad board.



Large Witt 2424 and snowplow TP-11 infront of the museum's rockwood station. xmas show.



Fall at the HCRY small witt 2786 comming back west bound on the mainline.



Small witt 2894 in front of Rockwood station.


Another fallen flag shot. C&NW GP7 switching at St Charles Illinois summer 1994

enjoy Rob

[siberianmo]

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!!

Here are 9 pix from the Can-Am HO layout for this fine day:

click to enlarge

(1) GMC “Fishbowls” have arrived in Can-Am City!


(2) GMC “Fishbowls” at the Bus Depot in Can-Am City!


(3) VIA Rail HQ building in Can-Am City!


(4) Main Street in Can-Am City!


(5) Rail and Truck terminals on the Can-Am!


(6) Truck terminal on the Can-Am!


(7) Lumber yard on the Can-Am!


(8) Lumber yard on the Can-Am!


(9) Lumber yard on the Can-Am!



That’s it for me - enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

And finally ..... No acknowledgments today from me, per se, we are CLOSED ON SUNDAY!. So, of course, Rob you could interest me in a Blue BUT we are CLOSED on SUNDAY! [swg]

Hope those of you who viewed these offerings enjoyed them. They take quite a bit of work and I for one appreciate the efforts! [tup][tup][tup] (One of those [tup] goes to me for all of my Posts!)

We open at 6 AM on Monday.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom. Apoligize for slipping this under the door on Sunday but have a very hectic schedule tomorrow and would not have time to post this.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #24

OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA CMSTP&P trains 15-16 inaugurated June 29, 1947 Chicago-Seattle/Tacoma 2,189 miles 45 hours each way.

The third new streamliners between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest to enter service in 1947 was the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA of tyhe Milwaukee Road. The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was the only streamlined train between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest to operate over its own rails for the entire distance.

The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was the Milwaukee Roads first and only HIAWATHA to operate in overnight service and was operated over the greatest distance of any HIAWATHA.

The new OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA when inaugurated was operated with A-B-A sets of Fairbanks Morse Erie built diesels between Chicago and Tacoma. Later this would change to Diesel - Electric - Steam - Electric in 1949 brought about by the National coal strike.

The new OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA train sets were constructed in the Milwaukee Roads own Milwaukee, Wisconsin shops except for the lightweight streamlined sleeping cars and Skytop Sleeper Lounge Observations built by Pullman Standard. with the last of these cars not completed until Januray 1949. Before the lightweights from P/S were delivered the OLYMPIAN HIWATHA rain sets operated with a heavyweight Sleeper and Heavyweight Sleeper Lounge Open Platform Observation.

The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was was interesting for a postwar streamliner in that it operated with newly constructed Touralux sleeping cars (Milwaukee Roads name for Tourist Sleeping Cars). The Milwaukee Road was the only railroad in North America to construct new lightweight streamlined Tourist sleeping Cars. This was at a time when most heavyweight Tourist sleeping cars were being withdrawn from service from the other western roads. Years later the NP would introduce Slumbercoaches to the NORTH COAST LIMITED but these were private room cars and the Touralux cars were open section type.

The new OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was scheduled for 45 hours between Chicago and Seattle with Tacoma still one hour beyond Seattle. Tacoma was where the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHAS were cleaned and serviced for the return trips to Chicago.

Initially the OLYMPIAN HIWATHAS were twelve car trains between Chicago and Seattle /Tacoma but by the time the two lightweight streamlined sleeping from Pullman Standard replaced the last two heavyweight cars the trains had been reduced to ten cars.

One disadvantage the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA coaches had when compared to the EMPIRE BUILDER, CITY OF PORTLAND and NORTH COAST LIMITED coaches was the lack of leg rest seats.

CONSIST ONE
5A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

10A FM -GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1209 Express 30' Railway Post Office Car

1310 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

483 52-Revenue Seat Coach

484 52-Revenue Seat Coach

485 52-Revenue Seat Coach

163 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5771 CHIPPEWA FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5742 MT. McKINLEY 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5743 MT. BOSLEY 14-Section Tourist Sleeping Car

116 40-Seat Dining Car

WACOUTA Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER PLUME Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST TWO

6A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

6B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

10B FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1211 Express 30' Railway Post Office Car

1312 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

489 52-Revenue Seat Coach

490 52-Revenue Seat Coach

491 52-Revenue Seat Coach

165 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5773 CRYSTAL FALLS 32-Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5746 MT. ST. HELENS 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5747 MT. WILSON 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

118 40-Seat Dining Car

KITTSON Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CRYSTAL POINT Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST THREE

7A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

11A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1213 Express 30'Railway Post Office Car

1314 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

495 52-Revenue Seat Coach

496 52-Revenue Seat Coach

497 52-Revenue Seat Coach

167 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5775 CANNON FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Sectoin Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5750 MT. HAROLD 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5751 MT. ANGELES 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

120 40-Seat Dining Car

LA CROSSE Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER CITY Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST FOUR

8A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

8B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

11B FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1208 Express 30'Railway Post Office Car

1309 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

480 52-Revenue Seat Coach

481 52-Revenue Seat Coach

482 52-Revenue Seat Coach

162 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5770 SIOUX FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper

5740 MT. SPOKANE 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5741 MT. WASHINGTON 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

116 40-Seat Dining Car

WYOCENA Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CRYSTAL BAY Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST FIVE

9A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

9B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

12A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1210 Express 30' Railway Post Office Car

1311 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

486 52-Revenue Seat Coach

487 52-Revenue Seat Coach

488 52-revenue Seat Coach

164 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5772 GRANITE FALLS 31-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5744 MT RAINIER 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5745 MT. RUSHMORE 14-Section Sleeper

117 40-Seat Dining Car

SPARTA Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER LEAF Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST SIX

5A FM-GE Erie 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5B FM-GE Erie 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

10A FM-GE Erie 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1212 Express 30' Railway Post Office Car

1313 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

492 52-Revenue Seat Coach

493 52-Revenue Seat Coach

494 52-Revenue Seat Coach

166 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5774 METALINE FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper (Women & Children)

5748 MT. HOPE 14 Section Touralux Sleeper

5749 MT. STUART 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

119 40-Seat Dining Car

KILBOURN Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER BEACH Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

Between October 1948 and the end of January 1949 the heavyweight sleeping cars were replaced with 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom sleeping cars and new streamlined lightweight 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observations from Pullman Standard as follows:

CONSIST ONE

2-COEUR D'ALENE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

18-SPANISH CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

7 LAKE CHATCOLET 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

17 MARBLE CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST THREE

4-LAKE PEPIN 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

16 GOLD CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST FOUR

11 LAKE CRESCENT 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

15 COFFEE CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST FIVE

9 LAKE NASHOTAH 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

14-ARROW CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

CONSIST SIX

6-LAKE PEND OREILLE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

12 ALDER CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

In 1949 during the National Coal strike the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA became the only streamlined train in the United States to operate behind Diesel Electric and Steam on its trip between Chicago and Seattle/Tacoma. Due to a shortage of diesels the Milwaukee Road operated the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA between Chicago and Harlowton, Montana behind FM-GE diesels. From there to Avery, Idaho the power was Electric Motors. From Avery to Othello Washington power was either an oil burning Northern or oil burning Hudson. And from Othello to Tacoma the power was once again electric motors.

In December 1952 just in time for the busy Christmas rush new Super Domes were introduced to the traveling public on the OLYMPIAN HIWATHA and MORNING and AFTERNOON HIAWATHAS. These cars seated 68 passengers on the dome level and featured a Cafe and and 28 seat lounge on the lower level of these first full length dome cars.They replaced the Coffee Shop TipTop Tap lounge cars and were trainlined ahead of the dining car behind the Touralux sleepers.

The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was discontinued May 22, 1961 unable to compete with the likes of the GN EMPIRE BUILDER, NP NORTH COAST LIMITED or UP CITY OF PORTLAND.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’S INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM Monday, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]



The 8th Month Anniversary day for ”Our” Place has arrived! Free coffee (as always) – bakery goods from The Mentor Village Bakery and <light> breakfasts to all who have contributed to making this event a reality!

Let’s get going with those Posts for reminiscing of the RR travels during Christmas season’s past!


Daily Wisdom:

The stuff that makes you tipsy, makes you tip your hand.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST:
What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?] BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]
(in order of participation)
pwolfe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . siberianmo Tom
coalminer3 CM3 . . . . . . . .Dec 18th. . . . . . . . . . siberianmo Tom
barndad Doug . . . . . . . . . Dec 22nd . . . . . . . . . none
nickinwestwales Nick . . . .Dec 27th . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
ftwNSengineer P . . . . . . . Dec 23rd . . . . . . . . . .trolleyboy Rob
jlampke John . . . . . . . . . Dec 24th (noon) . . . . . siberianmo Tom

CONTEST CLOSED!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) barndad Doug Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 04:59:21 (188) Pix spread!

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 06:47:32 (188) telegram

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 08:03:08 (188) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 08:27:31 (188) Final S-Capades Pix spread!

(5) barndad Doug Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 09:00:27 (188) Unusual Pix and narrative!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 09:06:34 (188) 2 Pix from Don

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 09:30:07 (188) 4 Pix from Nick

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 10:38:38 (188) Six Pix from display case #3

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 13:55:15 (188) 1 pix from John

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 17:29:49 (188) Pix spread!

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 18:35:09 (188) more Pix!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 18:44:13 (188) 9 Can-Am Pix!

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 18:52:27 (188) Closed on Sunday!

(14) passengerfan Al Posted: 11 Dec 2005, 19:52:26 (188) Streamliner #24 – Olympian Hiawatha

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

This feature, called the INDEX, will be suspended following today’s Posting. Recommend you “bookmark” this page for future use.


A helplful hint:

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).


Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106/150 SP ……… 106/150 MP …….. 108/155/170 WP …. 109/182 Frisco
112/187 CNR . . . . .112/182 Heralds . . 114 ACL .………….. 115 SAL
116 D&RGW ……. 118/181 RI . . . . . . 119 D&H ..…………. 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …… 124 UP …………… 125 AT&SF .………. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP ……. 129 CB&Q ………. 130 Soo Line ……… 133 C&NW
134 SP&S ……….. 136 GN ………….. 139 B&M ………….. 140 NH
141 MEC .……….. 142 BAR ………… 145 NP .……………. 146 L&N
147 WRR .……….. 148 C&O ……….. 148 KCS .………….. 151 N&W
152 Erie …………. 152 IC ..………….. 154 NPR .….………. 155 SR
156 CGW ……….. 157 RDG ………… 158 MON ....………. 159 IT
162 LV ………….. 163 GM&O ..…….. 164 Extra


Passenger Train Nostalgia and just plain Nostalgia!

110/181 …. MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112/187 . . . CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121/174 …. #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Diesel Electric Trains
129/174 …. #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
134 ………. Personal RR journey CPR’s “The Canadian”
135 ………. Great Britain #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Great Britain #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. #8 Ad – Great Northern
139 ………. #9 Ads – Great Northern
140 ………. #10 Ad – Union Pacific
141 ………. Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142 ………. Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143 ………. #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian
145 ………. #12 Ad – NP
146 ………. #13 Ad – L&N
146 ………. Great Britain #4 Poster - Silver Jubilee
147 ………. #14 Ad – Budd & Wabash – New Blue Bird
148 ………. #15 Ad – C&O
149 ………. HERTZ Ad - 1956
151 ………. #16 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. #17 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. North American Steam Loco Wheel Arrangements
154 ………. #18 Ad – Budd RDC (1953)
155 ………. #19 Ad – Budd RDC (1954)
156 ………. #20 Ad – SP, Golden State (1951)
157 ………. #21 Ad – SP, Sunset limited (1951
158 ………. #22 Ad – SP, City of San Francisco (1951)
159 ………. #23 Ad – AT&SF (1950)
161 ………. 9 WWII Ads ENCORE! of Vets/Remembrance Day Commemoration
162 ………. #24 Ad – AT&SF (1951)
163 ………. #25 Ad – AT&SF (1952)
164 ………. #26 Ad – Olympian Hiawatha
166 ………. AVIS Ad – 1956
167 ………. Pocket List of RR Officials Ad – 1956
169 ………. #27 Ad – NYC Aerotrain (1956)
170 ………. #28 Ad – NYC Xplorer (1956)
171 ………. #29 Ad – CP (1950)
172 ………. #30 Ad – CP (1950)
173 ………. #31 Ad – Pullman (1950)
176 ………. #32 Ad – Pullman (1950)
177 ………. #33 Ad – Soo Line – Winnipegger (1956)
178 ………. #34 Ad – Burlington Route (1949)
180 ………. #35 Ad – Soo Line – Mountaineer (1956)
181 ………. #36 Ad – Soo Line – The Laker (1956)
182 ………. #37 Ad – MoPac – Eagle Dome Coaches (1956)
183 ………. #38 Ad – NYC – New 20th Century Ltd (1948)
184 ………. #39 Ad – PRR – Broadway Ltd (1949)


trolleyboy ROB’s Barn

Classic Juice

116/161 …. #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 ………. #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131/155 …. #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134/181 …. #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)
142 ………. #5 (The Berlin & Water Street Railway - B&WSR)
146 ………. #6 (The Nearside Car)
148 ………. #7 (The Peter Witt Story)
157 ………. #8 (The PCC)
140 ………. #9 (The Nipissing Central)
162 ………. #10 (The Safety Car)
163 ………. #11 (Electricity and the big roads in Canada Part 1 CNR)
180 ………. #12 (The Toronto Civic Railways)
…………… #13 (Rolling Stock of the TCR)

Classic CNR Steam

159 ….. #1 (The Huntsville Subdivision)
163 ….. #2 (The Alliston Subdivision Trains)
165 ….. #3 (Passenger & Freight trains on the Strathroy Subdivision)
170 ….. #4 (Passenger & Mixed trains to Niagara Falls)
........... #5 (Passenger trains on the Brampton & Thorndale
Subdivisions)
176 ….. #6 (The Roustabout)
183 ….. #7 (Passenger Trains at Palmerston, Ontario)
185 ….. #8 (Map of CNR branchlines -1954-)


passengerfan Al’s Streamliner Corner

166 ….. Rocky Mountain Rocket of the CRI&P (Rock Island)
166 ….. Arizona Limited of the CRI&P and SP.
167 ….. Southern Belles of the KCS.
169 ….. #1 Gulf Coast Rebel
.………. #2 Choctaw Rocket
.………. #3 Miss Lou
.………. #4 Illini
170 ….. #5 City of Las Vegas
.………. #6 Land O’Corn
.………. #7 Prospectors
171 ….. #8 Twin Star Rocket
.………. #9 Dixie Flagler
172 … #10 City of Miami
……… #11 South Wind
173 …. #12 Electroliners
……… #13 Streamliners
174 …. #14 Southerners
175 …. #15 Congressional
……… #l6 Senator
177 …. #17 Gopher & Badger
178 …. #18 Advance Denver Zephyrs
179 …. #19 Commodore Vanderbilt
180 …. #20 City of Memphis
181 …. #21 20th Century Limited
184 …. #22 Broadway Limited
……… #23 Empire State Express
185 …. #24 Man ‘O War
188 …. #25 Olympian Hiawatha


barndad Doug’s Roundhouse

168 ….. The Making of a Signalman, Part I
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part II
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part III
171 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part I
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part II
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part III
172 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part IV
174 ….. Walking the Track, Part I
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part II
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part III
178 ….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part I
………. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part II
184 ….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part III
……….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part IV


NOTE: Please try to refrain from Posting on Sundays – that’s MY DAY OFF and these Index compilations take time to format! [swg] Plus it detracts from the idea of Sunday Photo Posting Day! Thank you! [tup]


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

. . . . . . Mentor Village Gazette . . . . . .

Vol. I, Number 2 . . . . . . . . Monday, December 12, 2005 . . . . . . . . . Free
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ANNIVERSARY EDITION . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

”Our” Place reaches milestone

See Editorial


barndad Doug Inducted into the ORDER OF THE STOOLS

Dec 12th , Mentor Village
By: Verbal Funderburk

barndad Doug was inducted into the Order of the Stools - Reserved on Nov 22nd. With a crowd of free-loaders on hand along with the list of “usual suspects” (aka: customers), the induction ceremonies were carried out by the Selection Committee. This rather nebulous group of societal wannabees commanded about as much attention as a refrigerator salesman in the Klondike.

The induction ceremony was held in the Pool Room of the village bar and grill known as ”Our” Place and was attended by the municipalities leadership, janitorial staff and Bee Keepers society. A rather boisterous gathering toasted the new inductee with song and praise. “Who is this guy [?]” was the overriding theme of the background singers, as the party raged on into the late afternoon. Throughout the ceremony, there appeared to be several distractions, least of which were the “buzzing” of the group by an animal resembling a Parrot, and some “quick steps” by the crowd to avoid being bitten by what appeared to be a crazed Armadillo.

barndad Doug insisted that his acceptance into the group came as a complete surprise, and rejected any notion that his substantial cash “donation” to the Committee’s Railfan Vacation Fund,” had any influence on his selection.

As has been the practice, a spirited bout of pushing, shoving, punching, kicking and gauging broke about amongst the track gangs of the CN, CP and Can-Am railroads. With considerable help from the cloven-footed mutant known as Boris and the rather quiet and somewhat sullen giant of a man called Leon, Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabularly and his sidekick, Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator, restored order by using a tested strategy. Free drinks and a dance with any one of the ”Our” Place staff of beauties. (More on page 17.)


Scandal looms, as inquiry widens
Local Constabulary Caught Out By Typo

Dec 12th, Mentor Village
By: Nickin Westwales (and staff reporters)

Mentor`s finest,Clueless & Doyle are expected to be called in to head office to explain themselves after mobilizing the Counties Armed Response Unit to meet the incoming weekly Can-Am / Cymru Zeppelin service on the grounds that in addition to the usual cargo of beer & deli goods, the Airship was being used as a front for narcotic trafficking.

A measure of confusion ensued before it was realized that the delivery in question was nothing more dangerous than a batch of hand-woven carpeting for local tavern ”Our” Place.
When asked for a quote, a representative from the staff told our reporter " Yes,We are international rug smugglers,now either buy a drink or s*d off,we`re busy tonight."

As first released on Nov 17th, this story has taken on additional ramifications of involvement by some rather prominent officials in Village and County government. The Governor General was unavailable for comment, however, a representative opined, “This nasty business of blatant and flagrant rug abuse has simply got to stop. To purchase these black market floor coverings is to lend credibility to those bent on the destruction of civilized society itself. We must stand as one against the horde! Just say, “No way, Jose, to rug smugglers!”

A Blue Ribbon investigative panel has been assembled to look into the extent of the operation in the Village and County. The names of those serving on the panel have yet to be released, although “unnamed sources” reveal that an academic, a Constable and a business owner will spearhead the effort. An all out push has been undertaken to find sufficient quantities of Blue Ribbon for sashes, emblems and other “badges of office” to distingui***his particular body from any others. [?] It is anticipated that their findings will be released in January.


”Our” Place Rendezvous plans solidified

Dec 12th, Mentor Village
By: Ima Nogo

The First Annual ”Our” Place Classic Trains Rendezvous will take place in the greater Toronto, Ontario, Canada area during the period May 11th through 13th, 2006. Firm commitments have been made by a cast of rather “Unusual Suspects” for this event and include, siberianmo Tom – trolleyboy Rob – Theodorebear Ted and passengerfan Al. Others are expected to join the gathering as the date draws near.

The actual Rendezvous will take place on Friday, May 12th with an all day riding of the steel rails as the highlight. Trains, trolleys and subways are to be the featured attractions. The evening prior to the event will find the group meeting for the first time in person at a local Bistro selected by trolleyboy Rob for the occasion.

There are no provisions for press coverage at this time, as the group of international travelers insists they are not part of any effort to further undermine the relations between the U.S. and Canada. More to follow.


EDITORIAL

”Our” Place celebrates its 8th Month Anniversary today by engaging in something a bit different. The customers have been asked to Post information relating to Christmas and holiday train travel from the past. As we saw with the Veterans/Remembrance Day Postings, some rather poignant and “warm” reminders of days gone by are anticipated.

We congratulate our Village bar and grill for surviving this long and offer this: What state would our village coffers be in if not for the fines paid by clientele and ownership over these 8 months [?]


CLASSIFIED Section

Wanted: One English (as in Great Britain) to English (as in U.S.) phrase translation book for pwolfe Pete.


SPORTS Trivia

Baseball: The Cincinnati Red Stockings were the first pro club , frankly admitting in 1869 that all of its players were salaried. Highest paid were two brothers, Harry and George Wright, $1,400 and $1,200 respectively.

Football: The American Football League (AFL) began play in 1960 with eight teams, in Boston (Patriots), Buffalo (Bills), Dallas (Texans), Denver (Broncos), Houston (Oilers), Los Angeles (Chargers), New York (Titans) and Oakland (Raiders).

Rugby The birth of a sport, thanks to:

. . . . . WILLIAM WEBB ELLIS . . . . .
. . . . . of Rugby College, 1823. . . . . .
This stone commemorates the exploit
. . . . . of William Webb Ellis . . . . .
who with a fine sense of disregard for the rules
of football, as played in his time, first took the
ball in his arms and ran with it, thus originating
the distinctive feature of the Rugby game.
. . . . . A.D. 1823. . . . . .


COMIX

From the Bumper:

* WORK HARDER *
Millions on welfare depend on you!

Driver carries no cash.
He’s married!

Can’t feed ‘em?
Don’t breed ‘em!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good (early) Morning,

We are not opened yet, however, to get a leg up on what will be another busy day for the Proprietor in trying to keep this bar 'n grill interesting for the handful who read these things, some acknowledgments and comments are in order:

Thanx go out to barndad Doug (twice) - jdonald Don - nickinwestwales Nick - jlampke John and trolleyboy Rob (twice) for participating in Sunday Photo Posting Day! [tup][tup][tup]

As you should have picked up on by now, the Monday Index feature is "history" as it has been suspended. I have no plans on bringing it back and suggest to those who have individual listings to "bookmark" the page it is on for future use should you decide to maintain your own Index.

The telephone listing idea has received a tepid response and will also be dropped. Thanx to Rob - Pete - Nick and Dan for sharing your numbers. I surely will safeguard them as I trust you will with mine.

I received an interesting Email inquiry from one of our guys and thought I'd share some of it with you:

QUOTE: Tom, you asked for some input regarding the bar and I have a question. Is it ok to provide comments on Sunday over the pictures that are put up for us? I know you prefer to keep the day off limits to the normal exchanges, but how about an attaboy or two?

Open response: Of course comments about the pix are more than welcome and encouraged. As a matter of fact, I'd think those kinds of comments are very appropriate for those who take the time to put the pix Postings together. Thanx for bringing it up! [tup][tup][tup]

Additionally, it sticks out like a sore thumb when someone Posts on Sunday with no mention whatsoever of the pix or the efforts of the submitters. We should be way ahead of the curve with things like this - especially on a thread that takes pride in being inclusive with the Postings. Turn about is fair play and the doors swing both ways 'round here.

We have only one more Sunday Photo Posting Day! remaining in the year - as we are CLOSED on CHRISTMAS - there will be no SUMMARY and no Postings from me on that day.

If anyone wishes me to Post pix for them, PLEASE try to get them to me with some lead time. It takes me about a half hour to download them to my picture file, then upload them to the photo account, download them back to the word processing file, with the final step being a preview "review" on the thread before Posting. That's what it takes, so I ask for your consideration. Thanx!

Okay, Gents - it is the 8th Month Anniversary of "Our" Place and time to kick it off with a Christmas season RR advertisetment from days gone by.

Looking forward to the Posts from all ..... [tup][tup][tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #1 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1937 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy the Christmas Holidays at SUN VALLEY

Opening of the New Challenger Inn

Combining economy with all the Winter Sports of Sun Valley. Modest rates for rooms – popular prices for meals – accommodations for 400 – all in a “mountain village.” Warm water swimming pool – motion picture theatre – two restaurants including unique night club – shops for all your needs.

Sun Valley Lodge

Living at its best! Continental service and comforts. A matchless cuisine. Rooms for single or double occupancy, and suites. Accommodations for 250 guests. American plan.

Nothing like it anywhere else – long, timber free ski runs, deep “powder” snow, brilliant summer sun – skiing stripped to the waist – sleighing in bright moonlight, skating, swimming in warm water open-air pools – the perfect Christmas holidays.

. . . . . . . . . . INTERCOLLEGIATE SKI MEET . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Dartmouth College – University of Washington . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . SUN VALLEY, DECEMBER 29 to JANUARY 1 . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . ONLY UNION PACIFIC SERVES SUN VALLEY . . . . .

For information and Union Pacific representatives in principal cities or write or wire
. . . . . . . . . . K.M. SINGER . . . . . . . . . . W.S. BASINGER . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Gen’l Mgr. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . P.T.M. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Sun Valley, . . . . . . . . . . . Union Pacific R.R. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . Idaho . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Omaha, Nebr. . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE PROGRESSIVE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . UNION PACIFIC . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SERVES ALL THE WEST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[jlampke]

Mornnin' Tom. I'll have whatever's available and hot, and an apple fritter, on this beautiful, cold Pacific Northwestern morning. We pull in to Indian Island Naval Weapons Station later this morning. [tup] [tup]

First off, a quick thanks for taking the time to try to post my pictures of 4449, and the one of the Kiska. You really put a lot of time and effort into this, Tom. Hats off to you. [tup]
[tup] [tup] [tup] [^] [^]

The name was changed from MSTS to MSC around 1970.

Also, thank you Rob, Don, Doug & Nick for all the interesting pix. Pretty good turn-out, I'd say. [bow] [bow] [bow] [bow]

For a guy who alleges to be "off" on Sunday, you sure were busy, Tom!!

I didn't notice any graffiti on your lay-out. [tup] [tup] A few months ago, one of the
restored, privately-owned passenger cars at the Brooklyn Roundhouse was vandalized by some gutless punk with a spray can. [V] [V] The owners were furious. [:(!] [:(!]

Some sad news: SP 4449 and SP&S 700 derailed Saturday. The word is that it was due to a broken rail. The locomotives were double-heading a short (and sold out) excursion run. They were running slow, and damage was minimal, is my understanding.
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Check out this site;

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/46660482/m/6871005253

I know a few of the people who care for and operate these two fantastic locomotives. They are all top-of-the-line, in my book. Great guys. I'd be there if it were possible.

Sometime in the near future I'll get back down there and get more pix. Wasn't thinking
last summer. [banghead] I should've got one of me & Doyle in the cab of 4449.

The 4-8-4's were both back on the rails within hours and the track repaired later that day. They remained "hot" the whole time, and steamed home on their own power.

I understand it's old 90 lb rail that was originally laid in the 30's or 40's. Sadly, since taking control of the SP's trackage, the UP hasn't been receptive of "foreign" steam running on the lines they control, so the guys running 4449 & 700 run on (usually older & lighter) shortline trackage. [tdn] [tdn]

BNSF has been pretty good about letting them use their (BNSF's) lines up North, is my understanding. [tup] [tup]

Well, just thought you'd all be interested.

John

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and friends. I'll have two light breakfasts this morning. I don't think I could keep a third one down after reading about myself in the Mentor Village Gazette today. All I can say is, don't believe everything you read (unless it's officially denied). Well done Tom! I'd like to also compliment your many pics from yourself and Nick, Don, and of course from Rob. Seems to me there were more pix yesterday than we've seen on previous Sundays.

That was a terrific Streamliner #24 Al on the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA. I learn so much from your series.

Mike, your posts continue to contain a wealth of interesting and informative subjects, and your picture links are some of the best I've seen. Thanks for all your contributions!

What an incredible article on the SP 4449 and SP&S 700 derailment John, and very much in keeping with todays theme!

At the risk of being off today's topic, I have a derailment story of my own, which I would like to share. Here's my Part I article of:

The Great Pickleworks Wreck by Ron Ziel – Rail Classics May 1979

Ever since the Long Island Railroad built its mainline out to Greenport in 1814, the route has been synonymous with luxury trains. In the railway vernacular of the 19th century, these plush limiteds were simply called “varnish” in reference to the wooden coaches and parlor cars. Long after steel replaced wood in the railway car builder’s art, the term “varnish” still lingered. In the early years, the fast passenger express trains made the trip from Brooklyn to Greensport in less time than it takes today (two hours, five minutes in 1901, compared to two hours, forty-three now).

The original purpose of the mainline to Greensport was to speed passengers to Boston via a combination of two trains connected by a steamboat across Long Island Sound. By 1850, however, the New York , New Haven & Hartford Railroad had been completed across southern Connecticut, making the through train route faster and more convenient. The LIRR went into its first bankruptcy and began catering more to the needs of local traffic.

With good, fast and comfortable accommodations available right to the Shelter Island Ferry dock in Greensport, many of the most prominent of New York’s most upper crust of society built mansions on Shelter Island and summered there. For their particular needs, the railroad inaugurated a Friday evening express which has operated for nearly a century variously as “The Shelter Island Flyer,” “The Shelter Island Flyer,” or “The Shelter Island Express.” Whichever name it went by, the train was as much a symbol of luxurious travel as was the “Cannon Ball” or the “Sunrise Special” which ran to the Hamptons and Montauk, on Long Island’s South Fork.

By the 1920’s, The Shelter Island Express, double-headed with two locomotives, carried the stock brokers, the diplomats, the Broadway stars and the nabobs to their summer reverie on the North Fork and Shelter Island.

Friday afternoon, August 13, 1926, was hot and muggy in New York, as passengers descended the steps from the high concourse of Penn Station, to the sweltering tunnel level, to board the electric cars for Jamaica, it was 3:50 p.m., when most New Yorkers were still at work. These passengers were obviously well-to-do and their comings and goings were determined by their own whims, rather than by the clock. One was Harold Fish, a prominent stock broker, who lived in East Marion, beyond the terminal at Greenport. A young mother, Mrs. George Schuford, with two children in tow, followed close behind. They sat on the hard wicker seats of the electric car. Precisely at 4 p.m., the train rolled out of the station and into the tepid, damp tunnel, toward Jamaica.

One mile west of Jamaica station, in the Morris Park engine terminal, forty steam locomotives simmered on the ready tracks. More were being wheeled out of the roundhouse and onto the turntable. It was just an hour before the evening rush began. Engineer Squires and fireman Montgomery signed in with the engine-house clerk, walked over to the turntable pit, just in time to see a handsome four-drivered 1906 Pennsylvania Railroad-built D-16sb American-type locomotive, No. 214 drift out of the roundhouse.

Almost noiselessly, the engine rolled the 100 feet to the edge of the turntable and with a loud clunk, clank as the weight shifted the balance of the table, the trim passenger locomotive was aboard. As she was being turned, Squires and Montgomery walked back to the engine-house to get their orders. A few minutes later, they were in the cab of No. 214, at the throat of the yard.

Soon, a larger locomotive – a Camelback type, with the engineer’s cab astride the boiler – rolled up behind No. 214. This was a big 4-4-2 engine, built by Baldwin in 1901, with 876-inch driving wheels. The gold numeral 2 shone on the black flanks of her cab. This was one of the most renowned engines on the road, and the fastest, having hit close to 120 mph on several occasions, when making up lost time.

The crews of both engines compared watches, complained about the heat and wiped the sweat that left wide steaks of soot down their faces and necks, and returned to their cabs. No. 2 coupled onto the rear of No. 214’s tender, there was a blast of No. 2’s whistle, and the tandem of steam and steel slowly chugged out of the engine yard toward the station.

The electric train from Penn Station had barely discharged its passengers at Jamaica when engines 214 and 2 trundled up to the opposite side of the platform. Right behind No. 2 was the Pullman parlor car Easter Lily. Harold Fish was welcomed aboard by the porter, as were 31 other passengers, including Mrs. Schuford and her two children. A few noticed the gathering thunderheads in the muggy sky and remarked that a storm might bring some relief from the oppressive heat. Easter Lily was not air conditioned; all the widows were open, and the cinder screens were up. The screens offered some protection, but by the end of a run, celluloid collars and white bonnets would be grey with fine coal dust.

After an exchange of whistle blasts, the two locomotives began to roll eastward from track number eight. Directly behind Easter Lily was a combination baggage/coach (the baggage section kept the peasants in the coaches out of the first-class parlor car) followed by four more coaches. Three hundred eighty-seven souls bound for Manorville, the first stop, and points east. This was the great “varnish” of the twenties – the Friday-only train, No. 212, The Shelter Island Express!

At Golden’s Pickle Works in Calverton, it was quitting time. Actually, the workers should have stayed until 6 p.m., but it was Friday, hot and humid, and toward the north, rolling over the hills of southern Connecticut and crossing Long Island Sound, an enormous line storm was building up. The foreman at Golden’s decided to let his crew go half an hour early – before the storm hit. The lids were put on the brine barrels, the open sacks of salt were resealed, and by 5:30 p.m. the foreman had locked up the pickle factory doors, and the dozen workers were on their way home; some walking down the dusty road, others sputtering out of the lot in their Model T’s.

[:I] End of Part I ... how's this for a cliffhanger? [:I]

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin' Gents!

Nice to see some "early birds" 'round here. Cofee's free, unless that's all you have - then it's a "fin." [swg]

jlampke John That URL you provided is outstanding. What a piece of work and obviously lots of effort went into the photo spread and narratives accompanying it. "Must" reading for our guys - a Classic Trains Post fer sure, fer sure! [tup][tup]

[yeah] There's lots of work that goes into maintaining this cyber bar ' grill, although there are times when reading through the Posts I come away thinking that there are a few frequenting this place who are a bit long on ignorance and short on praise. The way of the world, eh [?] Too bad. What's the harm in giving a guy an accolade or two when the effort is well worth it [?] Any man who has been a leader of other men knows how that works. Thanx for the recognition. [swg]

barndad Doug Your photo spread from yesterday was "right on" and in keeping with what we're trying to achieve on Sunday Photo Posting Day!. [tup][tup][tup] Looked like your trip to the Illinois capital city was great fun. In looking at that cafe car attendant, I've traveled with him before, between Kirkwood and KCity, MO, but aboard the morning train, not the Ann Rutledge which is a mid afternoon train 'round these parts. Nice work. Also enjoyed the accompanying Post as well - I had wondered what the "story" was behind that great pix. [swg]

Glad you enjoyed the Mentor Village Gazette and whaddyamean you can't believe everything you read [?] That paper prints everything "fit" .... or something like that. [swg]

Insofar as the pix from yesterday are concerned, yes - we had lots more than the past several Sundays, however, early on with this idea, we had at least that amount on more than one occasion - also more contributors. Things just are cyclical, aren't they [?]

An obsesrvation:
I noted that neither of you made any reference to what this day has been "billed" as for weeks! Really [?] It's our 8th Month Anniversary and we should be Posting what has been requested - Christmas season RR travel stories, ads, experiences, etc. Kinda surprised ....... but given the inappropriate ending to yesterday's Posts, perhaps not so much. [tdn]

Okay, I'm going to spend a bit of time doing other things, but will still be behind the bar.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #2 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1948 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . HOLIDAY HOMECOMING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

There’s nothing quite so pleasant as coming home again . . . Especially when it’s “home for Christmas” . . . and when you take the train!

This is the happy season when Pennsylvania Railroad’s great fleets of trains between East and West, North and South, assume a particularly festive air.

By Pullman, by coach, joyous families are going to visit the folks at home – carefree, or comfortable, relaxed as they speed on their way.

For your holiday travels Pennsylvania Railroad offers a wide choice of daily trains . . . . conveniently scheduled to fit your plans.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pennsylvania Railroad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #3 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . THE PULLMAN COMPANY . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1948 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . Christmas Cargo . . . . . . . . .

They’ll be home for Christmas! There are miles of snow and mountains ahead. But this family will spend their night before Christmas snug and secure in their Pullman compartment. They bring gifts for her folks back home. But his greatest gift to that proud Grandfather and Grandmother will be the sight of their first grandchild.

He’ll be home for Christmas! He’s a hard working trouble-shooter for his company, and business almost kept him away for Christmas. But there’ll be no disappointments in this father’s house tomorrow morning. Traveling Pullman, he and his presents will arrive safe and sound right in the heart of town, just a stones’ throw from Christmas at home.

She’ll be home for Christmas! “Dear Mother and Dad,” she wrote. “I’ll be home for Christmas with a straight “A” for the quarter. Don’t you think that deserves going Pullman?” It does and it did. But more important, her mother and father will sleep as soundly tonight as she will, knowing she’s traveling the safest, most comfortable way to be home for Christmas.

. . . . . To be sure you’ll be home for Christmas . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Go Pullman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE SAFEST, MOST COMFORTABLE WAY TO GET THERE!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jlampke

Some sad news: SP 4449 and SP&S 700 derailed Saturday. The word is that it was due to a broken rail. The locomotives were double-heading a short (and sold out) excursion run. They were running slow, and damage was minimal, is my understanding.
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Wow, that's bad and good news! [tdn][tup]
Well gents, I'm back, although I doubt any of you remember me.

Since this is the Classic Trains forum, I must bring up the Clinchfield Railroad. It was headquartered in a small town around here, Erwin, TN. It was swallowed up by the Seaboard System in the '70's. The name actually started out as Carolina Clinchfield and Ohio. They ran Challengers, which were obtained from DRGW. They're probably best known for their special Christmastime "Santa Train." Running from Elkhorn City, KY, to Kingsport, TN, the Santa Train brings Christmas joy to many boys and girls each year. CSX still runs this special excursion each November.

Clinchfield ran from Elkhorn City, KY to Spartanburg, SC. CSX now owns and operates on the Clinchfield tracks. Their paint schemes included the early gray/yellow trim and the latter black/yellow letters. Their steam engines were standard black.

Good to be back, gentlemen!

Have a great day,
Matt

[jdonald]

Mornin Tom & all-a black coffee and a pastry from the bakery. One for yourself if you're not already "coffeed out"

I will echo everyone elses accolades for the Sunday pics. Enjoyed them all[:)]

Doug did your group have your own coach on the train or did you mingle with the other passengers[?] Looked like a fun day our

Tom great shots of S-Capades. I would think S scale would be the ultimate if you had the room(some ca***oo probably). Your display case is impressive-I hope any passengers still aboard your Redbirds were reminded not to step off on the wrong side of the car[:0] About the term "Fishbowls" referring to the GM buses-drove them for a goodly portion of the last 14 years and never heard them called that. There were however lots of other names applied by fellow drivers which are of coarse unprintable. When I started driving them they had no powersteering and no air ride seats. Eventually they were switched over(probably as a result of several Workers Compensation claims for sore backs and shoulders}.

Nick great shots! Looking forward to a description of them expecially the #2 set. That looks like an old style GO train set with the Turbo Train.

Rob Great shots at Bayview Jct. I will have get the location for next spring or summer. Last time I was there I was taking pics with bushes etc in the way.
I share your liking for the RS18s. Do you know the origin of the OSR loco[?]
The Witt cars are the ones I was asking about a couple of weeks ago.

Hope I havent left anyone out.
A description of my 2 pics-RS18 #3124 & RS18m #3154 are on the "Tempo" (Windsor to Toronto) at Glencoe ON. #3154 was one of a group of 6 (3150-3155) set up to operate the "Tempo" service. Aside from the different paint job they must have had train heating equpt. I don't see any steam leaks so maybe they were HEP Equipped. Unfortunately I wasn't smart to put any dates on my pics but think it was mid 70's. Note that they were still being run long hood first.
The second shot is FPA4 #6783 and a VIA train leaving Sarnia,ON. It is just about to go under the Modeland Rd overpass and join to mainline to London. The vehicle behind the loco is I beleive one of the steam generator cars rebuilt from old F units. Note the loco is still in CN paint but minus the noodle logo on the nose.

Just read through the Anniversary edition of the Mentor Village Gazette. Very impressive as usual-congrats to the editor(but can't you do something about that black printers ink that comes off on your hands[?]
re: the plea in the classified section for pwolfe Pete-perhaps I can act as an interpretor until a suitable dictionary is found. I have had to become adept at converting from British Engli***o N.A. English what with an Irish-born wife and several out oops in-laws in England.

Thats it - finis(thats French I think)

Bye for now - Keep it on the rails

Don

[Anonymous]

Good morining members and guests. May I propose a early breakfast toast of O.J., Grapefruit juice, (or libation of your choice) to the evolution of 8 months at "Our" Place.[^] Also, may we lift our tumblers on the ocassion of barndad Dougs appointment to the "Order of the Stools" which is so well deserved.[tup] His posting today bears out the grasp and understanding of what "Our" Place has come to be. Tom, just a cuppa Juan Valdez for now and one of those great Prune Danish pastries from Mentor's Bakery.[^] Prunes are our friends. They keep us "regular," don'tcha know?

Sunday's Photo Posting Day was an enormous success due in no small part to the hurculean efforts of the Proprietor going the "extra mile" posting not only his own "tour de force" but that of other's erstwhile photos. Again, thanks for the compilation of the Indices which will be "book marked" for sure. Gad, what a mountain of reference for any rail enthusiats!!! Members, show me any other "thread" that carries those kind of heavy guns. I still don't know where all the "energy" and dedication comes from. "Blowing smoke?" No way, I don't "blow smoke."[tdn] jlampke John's message and links to the mishap on the holiday excursion is appreciated no end. It might bring a tear to the eye but this is a ever present reality as Doug's follow-up Post confirms. Rob, you know how much I appreciate traction and especially old #2666. These are a real treat for me and thanks again for the efforts.[^] Mike, always "good form" with your posts that never fail to peak interest.[tup] Our newest contibutors seem to grasp the 3 C's: Context, Continutiy and inClusiveness better than some of us "Old Heads."[bow]

Let's see, Christmas and the trials and tribulations of holiday rail travel. Hmmm! For me personally, just the action of "people traffic" in any given station sets off the adrenalin right from the "git go." Bags, parcels (some gift wrapped), heavy winter duds, the unmistakable aromas, the barely intelligble bark of the loud speakers echoing around marble walls and canyons, little kids taking their first choo choo ride; that and so much more, sets holiday rail travel apart from any other. I have done this on a number of Roads and no two trips were ever quite like the other. When you get to the platforms, there is a whole new set of stimuli that assaults the senses. Luggage carts and tractors add to the din of passenger's farewells and bells chiming from shifting locos, add to that, the hissing of steam and air emitting all about, walking through clouds of misty steam, then that proverbial call, "All'board." Once settled in your accomodation and double checking your tickets, its off to the open vestiblue window for a last glance at the station's frenetic activity. Finally, that barely perceptible "nudge" and you know that there will be new faces to see and acquaintences to meet in the club car just a quarter of a mile distant from your present location.

Having oredered a favorite libation you watch as the train glides its way through the maze of yard turnouts, slip switches, cross overs, et al. It isn't long before the rolling motion of the car confirms reaching mainline speeds. There is that certain sound that envelops you when the train is attaining higher momentum and velocity. Ah, but now you have been invited into casual converstion with the person next to your seat. No sooner engaged in some interesting discourse and the "first call" to dinner is anounced by the Porter striking the N.B.C chimes along his trek from the first to the last cars. Once seated in the Diner, a Las Vegas mentality of "I didn't come all this way to pinch pennies" overtakes you. Yes, I'll take the the finest entree on the menu please and what wine do you recommend Sir? Now, with that warm glow of having sated your palate, its back to your accomodation where the bed linens have been turned down and a "after dinner mint" sits on the pillow. Gentlemen, if that wasn't a big part of your holiday experience in the past, I can only hope that it will be some day in the future. Okay Boris, back to earth, if you think you can manage it.[alien] Happy rails.

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and all; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Today, we'll listen to "Midnight Special," and another good one, "Panama Limited."

I am glad to see many folks returning and new faces as well.

Was surprised to see that my comments (in the Rat's Room, of course) re cellphones elicited so many commetns from folks.

Thanks for the note re the "Boot." Nice to see that all the memory cells are not gone.

I made a couple of trips to Glaceir over the years on the "Empire Builder," and rode it as far west as Spokane when wrok took me to that part of Washington and over into Idaho.

As for the weekends take of photos - wow! The one that brought back a lot of memories to me was the one of the gingerbread house as my mom used to make these.

I also appreciated the comments on OJT as we do a lot of it. When I started out, it was called CHD (Come here, dummy) and was usually admistered by the foreman's hand around your neck.

I do not know whay I skipped over Phoebe Snow, but here's a poem from the DL&W's ads for Miss Phoebe.

"Miss Snow draws near
The cab to cheer
The level-headed engineer
Whose watchful sight
Makes safe her flight
Along the road of anthracite."

They sure don't write 'em like that anymore.

Also congratulations to the newest member of the Order of the Stools.

Here are three pieces from the notebooks that are holiday-related. They all have trains (real or model in them).

December – Erie County

Crushing cold and wind slicing across the open fields of snow, blown into furrows by plows. Cold so cold that ponds are frozen and whatever open water there is smokes in the morning sunlight. The ducks that stay all winter huddle in the lee of sloughs and creek banks to try and escape from the wind.

Cows are turned out after milking by farmers to stand resentfully in the yard while the barn is cleaned up. The cows group together for warmth, too. The farm dogs don’t want to go outside in the cold unless they have to, except for the few who like the cold and have to be dragged inside for their own protection.

It’s noisy in the winter morning woods with the calls of blue jays, titmice, finches, siskins, and sparrows. There’s a flash of bright red as a cardinal is silhouetted against the evergreen. Deer come to the edge of the fields and paw at the crushed snow to look for food.

People in the small towns drink coffee in the morning and listen to the radio as they get the kids ready for school and herd them outside to meet the bright yellow school bus. The people in the small towns drink coffee in the morning as they get ready to go to work. “Be careful, it’s slick out here,” they say as they leave the house through the back door. The snow squeaks underfoot, diamond glinting in the sun.

Flashers on and the crossing gates bang down at Lake Avenue as an eastbound freight roars out of the open land toward the city. The gates rise and the train is gone, diesel smoke laying heavy in the air.

The roads are wet in town with slushy snow along the curbs, just enough to make it difficult to walk. The wind is not as bad here, but it does blow through the alleys between the buildings. “The walk’s really bad between the bank and shoe store,” somebody says. “I know,” is the reply, “They really ought to do something before somebody gets hurt.”

The work goes on during the day, people watching the weather, hoping the clouds hold off and that it won’t snow before quitting time. There’s talk of Christmas and parties, and some twinges about things gone before during the year, things said (or not said) and things done (or not done): gladness and regret, peace and discontent.

Christmas on the Branch

The Lexington station was a white and gray-colored wooden structure; one of the few stations in New England to have a train shed. Under the shed it was dark and damp and smelled of oil, creosote, and coal smoke from long ago engines. The platform was cement and dirt; mostly dirt. A taxi company occupied the north end of the station, and the rest of the building was devoted to railroad business.

A small yard east of the station handled cars picked up and set off by local freights. Other industries scattered along the branch, such as coal and lumber yards usually received loads. The lumber yard received aromatic loads of wood from Canada and the west. Local trains spotted coal hoppers at different industries along the branch.

More than a few residents still heated with coal so anthracite often came on Lexington branch trains. There was a small coal yard in North Lexington that had a wooden storage facility. Metal signs advertised the different brands of coal that were available such as Blue Coal, Reading Anthracite, and D&H Anthracite. These signs were very colorful with red and white, blue and white, and blue and orange lettering. Conveyors carried the coal to different pockets where it would be loaded into trucks that carried the coal to the customer.

Late in November, from Canada, came my favorite cars; wooden Canadian National boxcars loaded with fragrant Christmas trees. The tree cars didn’t arrive until late November because back then the Christmas holidays did not “officially” start until after Thanksgiving.

Snow Days

It was well into November and really cold in the morning. The difference was that it stayed cold during the day. Thoughts were starting to turn toward Thanksgiving, Lionel train catalogs and the headlong ru***oward Christmas.

Now it was time to start paying attention to the weather forecast on the radio in the morning. There was no such thing as weather programs like are on television now, or a Weather Channel. Weather on TV was fluff – a pretty girl who didn’t know the difference between North Dakota and North Chelmsford pranced around and pointed at a map; The real, true, weather forecast was on the radio at 755 a.m. when Don Kent or E.B. Rideout (what a great name for a weatherman – they were all men) delivered the forecast from “our studios in Boston.”

It was all pretty inexact because living near the coast had a great influence on what the weather would be by the time it got here. Stuff from the Great Lakes generally died before it reached us. And if we trembled before the “Montreal Express,” a fearsome outbreak of cold and wind from Canada, we really paid attention when the words “coastal storm” came over the radio. Adult and kid questions began right away. Would the snow be changing to rain near the coast (***)? Be snow and sleet (great for driving), or would it be all “some snow at the coast with heavier amounts inland?”

The next set of questions involved temperature. This was a vital and delicate calculation because temperature determined accumulation. Would it be cold overnight and warm up by morning? Would it be cold inland but warm enough to be all rain near the coast? Would it start out warm and then get cold, or would it be just plain cold?

The third set of questions dealt with timing. These were important questions since timing determined the next day’s activities. Would it start in the afternoon, the evening, at night and quit by morning, or begin early in the morning and last throughout the day?

Debates were initially academic, but nobody doubted that the fate of the Republic hung on the forecast. Later the debate became theological, especially if the morning forecast was for snow, “Later in the day and tomorrow.” My father, if he was not traveling, took a change of clothes and a pair of black rubber galoshes with him to the office, “Just in case.”

He and my mother reviewed how much food was in the house (there was enough on hand at all times in the winter to feed the Army of the Potomac –men and beasts – for a month), and discussed when the oil tank had been last filled (again I don’t recall us ever running out.)

School dragged as we kept looking out the window just in case the weather gods launched a surprise attack. I don’t recall that this ever happened. The sun was a faint white disk visible through a thickening layer of clouds at noon. Three o’clock at last and onto the school bus and heading for home.

There was no wind – just a flat calm, but the air was getting damper. Something was going to happen, we could feel it. Nobody wanted to stay inside during the afternoon. We’d be outside until it got dark – not playing anything organized, but just running around.

The streetlights would come on and it was time to go inside and do homework. My father would come home later grumbling as he nursed a drink that he, “Had carried all of that crap to work for nothing.” No matter; we still knew that it was going to do something, even though we had been cheated. Bedtime and still nothing.

It would be quiet in the deep of the night, and outside sound was muffled. The quiet would awaken me suddenly and I’d jump out of bed. The floor was so cold that it hurt my feet as I went over to the front window to open the curtain. Falling snow had covered the ground and the streetlight was barely visible. It was not very windy so the snow was not blowing, but softly swirling. I could see tire tracks in the street, but the snow filled them quickly.

Other times a northeast wind blew, yowling through the copper and felt weather stripping on the front door. Densely blowing clouds of snow severely reduced visibility. The snow piled up on the evergreens and tree branches and drifted up against the dining room windows. The dog, when he went outside to do what dogs do outside, stayed in the lee of the house. He never stayed out too long.

I remember going to a friend’s house one afternoon to run his model railroad – he had American Flyer – I had Lionel. There was a constant argument over which was better, but no matter. He did have a model of a Union Pacific 4-8-4 which was lovely. So we ran trains until late afternoon, picking up and setting out freight cars, and then making up and running freight and passenger trains. It was time to go home, feed the dog and get my own dinner. I was walking up the street toward my house when I saw a silvery wall of snow moving from south to north toward me. It made a “shisshing” sound on the pavement as it swept over me. All light vanished and I was surrounded by a swirl of ice pellets and snow, just like an arctic adventure. Several other things I recall with snow. One was the way dry powder snow would settle on the pavements only to be swept up in swirls by passing trucks and cars. Another was big flakes of snow and trying to catch them on my tongue.

work safe

[siberianmo]

Special for uspscsx

Hello Matt,

Yes, I recall your cyber name and according to my records, this is your 3rd visit to our cyber bar 'n grill since we opened on April 12th, 2005.

I reviewed my last Post to you and recall mentioning that we are an inclusive site - no hit 'n run Posters welcome here plus we are an adult site in that we are a bar 'n grill. So without anything to help us out in your profile, there simply was no way of knowing much about you for the setting that we thrive in.

Hard to welcome someone back, if they've never really been "one of us," if you follow my thinking. Anyway, enjoy the Posts and perhaps you'll pick up some good info from our guys.

Now, you may very well be "of age," and if so, then order something from the bar! We have a routine around here that separates the men from the boys, so to speak - greet the bartender upon entering - order a drink and something to eat - and be inclusive with your Posts. Do those things, and you'll always be welcome at "Our" Place!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Special for uspscsx

Hello Matt,

Yes, I recall your cyber name and according to my records, this is your 3rd visit to our cyber bar 'n grill since we opened on April 12th, 2005.

I reviewed my last Post to you and recall mentioning that we are an inclusive site - no hit 'n run Posters welcome here plus we are an adult site in that we are a bar 'n grill. So without anything to help us out in your profile, there simply was no way of knowing much about you for the setting that we thrive in.

Hard to welcome someone back, if they've never really been "one of us," if you follow my thinking. Anyway, enjoy the Posts and perhaps you'll pick up some good info from our guys.

Now, you may very well be "of age," and if so, then order something from the bar! We have a routine around here that separates the men from the boys, so to speak - greet the bartender upon entering - order a drink and something to eat - and be inclusive with your Posts. Do those things, and you'll always be welcome at "Our" Place!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

Tom,

Thanks. I did not mean to be a "Hit 'n Run" poster. I do plan to become a "regular," as long as I don't get an objection from anyone. As for anything to eat or drink, even though I am of age, I do not partake of alcoholic beverages. Although, I do like coffee. [:)]

I see I will have to review a few key posts before posting any further. I hope to soon know my way around the place.

Matt

[siberianmo]

Special for uspscsx Matt

Well then, [#welcome] Aboard! There's all kinds of things to learn about us if you really are serious about becoming a regular at this bar 'n grill.

Suggest you read page ONE - then go back about a dozen pages from here and get a good grasp on the way we operate. It will come to you in no time at all. [tup]

The worst way to start off on any thread, in my opinion, is to jump in without having any idea of what the theme is. For example, today is our 8th Month Anniversary on the Fourms. We are Posting Christmas season RR travel and other experiences relating to trains. This has been advertised for the past two weeks, every day, several times a day.

Matt you may find that our free coffee will put you in the poor house in no time flat. We charge five bucks a cup if that's all you order! So some food from our menu and perhaps a soft drink might work out better for you! You see, we really are an adult eating 'n drinking establishment with our primary focus on the discussion of Classic Trains with some humor thrown in.

Hope to see you often 'round here and to share in your meaningful Posts.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Gents!

Straight to the acknowledgments, Part Deux:

jdonald Don
Posted: 12 Dec 2005, 10:16:41

Good to see you this fine day and I hope that somewhere along the line you’ll have something for our 8th Month Anniversary, Christmas season RR travel celebration! <phew> That is the theme for the day ‘round here.

Glad you enjoyed the Gazette and I’ll see what I can do about that ink problem. I left it up to Boris to come up with “something,” and I’m almost afraid to investigate that “thing” he drug into the shop the other day, squeezing it so hard the black ooze ran out and I’d imagine it wound up as ink. Never know with Boris [swg]

I’ll let you in on a “secret,” I have no problem with devoting my time, energy and resources to this cyber bar ‘n grill just as long as there is reciprocity, inclusiveness in responses and appreciation for one’s endeavors. Pretty much sums it up, eh [?]

I think that if you want to me to Post some pix for you this coming Sunday, let’s do it again by Email given that I’m going to be stretched rather thin for time the next couple of days and pretty much on Thursday as well. So I may not get those instructions put together for you in time. Your choice, of course, but I’m willing ……..[tup]

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 12 Dec 2005, 10:21:46

Warm reflections of Christmas season rail travels past, Sir Ted Nicely done and well within what we were looking for on this special day at ”Our” Place! [tup][tup][tup]

We are seeing a change in the gathering at the bar, which is healthy – people come and they go. If we can rely upon a nucleus of guys to keep this place other than at the back of their cyber activities, we’ll do fine. The idea is to create and maintain an interest level and that has been done quite well these past few months. When there is enthusiasm, there is a contagious nature that emits from it. It’s easy to engage when one knows there will be reciprocity, appreciation and inclusiveness. That IS what makes our thread different from so many others. We don’t have the overwhelming numbers, but that may very well be our strength.

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 12 Dec 2005 10:30:24

Was wondering whether we’d see you this morning – glad you made it! As is your custom, you have once again dazzled us with your amazing gift of communication via the written word! [tup][tup][tup] Those Christmas, winter, holiday settings that you described rang many a bell within me.

I too had a childhood friend who was a Gilbert American Flyer “person,” whereas I was a Lionel O-27 guy. I always secretly thought his trains look much nicer than mine, but we argued nonetheless about which set (and later, sets) were the “best.” He had one of those great looking passenger sets with the dual Alco PA’s in Santa Fe livery. Man oh man, the best trains ever (late 1940s – early 1950s). I had the Pennsy 6-8-6 steam turbine work train freight – 5 cars, whistling tender, etc. Wonderful train set with Magne Traction and smoke. Loved it. But I digress …..

Thanx so much for the warmth you’ve brought to us through your reflections. Well done, Mate, well done! [tup][tup][tup]

The drinks and quarters are always appreciated as well! Boris get that black stuff off of your paws hands and ring the bell! [swg]


Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #4 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1949 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Give your family the . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sun . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . for Christmas . . . . . . . . . .

Go Santa Fe to Phoenix, Wickenburg, Palm Springs and Southern California

You’ve promised yourself to take the family on a winter vacation sometime.
This is the year! Why not make it your Christmas present to them?
The resorts and ranches in sunny Arizona and Southern California are
beckoning and Santa Fe’s famous fleet of fine trains to those “sun spots”
offers schedules and accommodations to suit you to a “T.”


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

[b]The worst way to start off on any thread, in my opinion, is to jump in without having any idea of what the theme is. For example, today is our 8th Month Anniversary on the Fourms. We are Posting Christmas season RR travel and other experiences relating to trains. This has been advertised for the past two weeks, every day, several times a day.

[#oops][:(]

Thanks for some more tips, Tom. I will get to that immediately.

[BudKarr]

Good Afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar!

I do not think I recognize this place! What has happened between the time of my last visit and today? It surely seems that the information flow has at least tripled in context, content and relevance. Barring an exception here or there, the patrons are in synchronicity with the wishes of management and all appears well in Mentor Village. Good show, Captain Tom and supporting cast. Oh, before I get admonished, I would like a JD on the rocks and one of those great looking ham, roast beef and Swiss cheese submarine sandwiches on the menu board. Thanks!

A happy celebration to all for the milestone reached this day. Eight months on the forums and I too offer a toast to a long and successful future at this prime location. Cheers!

There is absolutely no way that I could even begin to address each and every post made since my last entry. Therefore I offer my best wishes to all and am pleased to spend a bit of time with you.

I have reviewed the pages, so you need not be chagrined, Captain Tom, for I surely know better than to waltz in, drop a word here or there, then depart. Not my style in real life, nor here in the Ether.

That newspaper idea of yours is terrific and is there a way for me to subscribe to the Mentor Village Gazette? Outstanding effort!

I must offer this in the form of an observation, which is not at all meant to spoil the revelry of the day: what do you suppose will come of those who continue ignoring your pleas for inclusiveness and recognition of others? When I reviewed the photographs from yesterday I was astounded at how smoothly everything appeared to have flowed throughout the day. Everyone on track, as you would put it. Then the final offering, a most inappropriate way to end a wonderful day of extra effort. I can understand the frustration, for I felt it as well.

We have returned to our hideaway in Alberta’s high country after a delightful time in Edmonton. We remained longer than expected and found the city to be quite an enjoyable experience indeed. We met some people who were rather animated regarding the return of Via Rail to Calgary. Theirs was mostly in opposition to a change of route, which I suppose is precisely how the rail users felt back when CP trackage was given up for CN. What goes around, comes around as they say. There seems to be quite a bit of concern at the levels we were introduced to about this subject. When we visit Calgary, it will be interesting to learn of their point of view, if any at all. Oh, perhaps I should offer this – my traveling companion is connected with some of the movers and shakers in either city. I spend most of the time in the listening mode, as I do here, and only speak when comfortable with the subject matter, and of course when appropriate. Fortunately, this aspect of our time in Edmonton was miniscule by standards of time. It was just an after dinner conversation involving three or four who brought up once I mentioned our recent round trip to Vancouver.

For anyone who recalls, we opted to drive the distance rather than fly. A wise decision on my part to be so magnanimous! Fortunately we had decent road conditions.

Christmas stories from the past that have a leaning toward trains. Well, mine would only be of childhood and the electric trains that ran around our Christmas tree. From the moment of recognition through present times I recall the wonders of seeing that wonderful Lionel train, puffing smoke and pulling those illuminated passenger cars round and round the oval of track my father always seemed to arrange right before Santa arrived.

As I have intimated many times, I am hardly a train enthusiast in my adult life. But going back to childhood and the toys of my youth, electric trains were an integral part of my socialization into adolescence. I think it was Captain Tom who mentioned some pages back of just how the electric train factored into boyhood. The things many of us learned from that rather elementary introduction into electricity, mechanics, judgment and innovativeness. Hooking up the wires and getting that first tingle when done incorrectly. Then becoming mesmerized while watching those driver wheels on the steam engine. Being able to run the train at reasonable speeds to avoid derailments at the sharp curves and then of course a bit of design into putting together an alternate track plan. Yes, the electric train was a socialization tool for many in the days before and during my youth. It faded rather quickly as personal interests in our society changed and changed rapidly. I suppose one could look at the arrival of television and find a plausible argument there for the demise of many things we no longer seem to do.

Christmas season at our home was a warm and wonderful experience. We were spoiled, but in a way that I do not think was over blown. My family restricted the gift giving to two times per year: Christmas and birthdays, with the latter a far less extravagant occasion than the former. My first electric train set - an Erector set – a bicycle – a chemistry set and later on a telescope fit for a junior astronomer, were all part of the wonders found under or near the Christmas tree on December 25th. (We exchanged gifts in the morning – and in fact for those in my family living in reasonable proximity, still do.) My train became a featured attraction for each Christmas thereafter. It is now boxed away at the homestead. Perhaps one day I will have it shipped to wherever I finally roost. Christmas morning just is not comlete without the sound of an electric train!

So, that is my contribution for this day. It is not about travel so much as about the warmth and the recollections of Christmas past, as tied to the electric train.

I will remain in Alberta and BC through the remainder of the season and have been seriously thinking of having my base of operations in Canada changed from Winnipeg to either Edmonton or Calgary. As mentioned previously, we will be at one of those former CP resorts over the holidays, all arranged by my companion. They say absence makes the heart grow fonder, and I think it works!

Until the next time, have a round on me, and in fact, ring that bell twice.

BK

[siberianmo]

G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #5 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday travel retyped from a 1950 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . Merry Christmas from all . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . on your New York Central overnighter . . . . . . .

WHEN GOING HOME FOR CHRISTMAS,
Delay you can’t afford.
So take the train. For, storm or rain,
I’ll still say, “ALL ABOARD!”

Your N.Y.C. Conductor

. . . . . SEASONS GREETINGS!” Come in and dine.
. . . . . No other travel has meals as fine.
. . . . . The varied, fresh-cooked food’s a treat,
. . . . . And you can sight-see while you eat!

. . . . . Your N.Y.C. Diner Crew

MY GIFT TO YOU is perfect rest.
Your big, soft bed’s the very best.
So sleep, and wake up fresh next day.
You’re traveling world’s safest way!

Your N.Y.C. Pullman Porter

. . . . . THE BEST OF HOLIDAY GOOD CHEER
. . . . . And sociability are here.
. . . . . Enjoy refreshments, relaxation
. . . . . Aboard your Central observation.

. . . . . Your N.Y.C. Club Car Steward

WHITE CHRISTMAS in a song is swell.
But when you plan to travel – well,
If you’d be certain to arrive,
Best go by train, and let me drive!

Your N.Y.C. Engineer

PLAN YOUR HOLIDAY HOME-COMING ON NEW YORK CENTRAL’S GREAT FLEET OF DIESELINERS

. . . . . . . . . . GIFT IDEA! A TRIP HOME . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . Ask your New York Central . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . ticket agent about arranging . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . tickets and reservations as . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . your gift to a parent or youngster, . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . brother or sister away from home. . . . . . . . . . .


. . . . . . . . . . New York Central . . . . . . . . . .

The Water Level-Route – You Can Sleep


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

. . . . . . . . . . CHRISTMAS RR TRAVEL #6 of 8 . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . THE PULLMAN COMPANY . . . . . . . . . .

Here is an advertisement for Christmas holiday retyped taken from a 1950 advertisement in my private collection:

. . . . . 3 questions to ask when you plan your Christmas trip . . . . .

1. “How safe?” – The weather is something you do
not worry about – when you go Pullman over the
Christmas holidays. Throughout your trip your
peace of mind is as weather-proof as your Pullman
Accommodations. You know you’re even safer in a
Pullman crossing the country than you are in your
Own home.

. . . . . 2. “How comfortable?” Your mind is as carefree as
. . . . . a child’s as you sleep deep and undisturbed on your
. . . . . Pullman bed. And in the morning you freshen up
. . . . . and dress at your leisure. You have complete toilet
. . . . . facilities, hot and cold running water, everything
. . . . . you need to prepare for a welcome Santa himself
. . . . . would envy.

3. “How dependable?” You get where you want to
be when you want to be there . . . when you go
Pullman. and you’re the very spirit of Christmas
as you arrive in the center of town – rested, relaxed,
Rady for fun. (Christmas season or any season,)
Go Pullman – the safe, comfortable, dependable
Answer to all your travel questions.)

. . . . . It won’t be Christmas without you. So plan
. . . . . now to go home for the holidays. And for railroad
. . . . . travel at its best, plan to go Pullman. To be sure
. . . . . of getting the reservations you want, see your
. . . . . ticket agent early.

. . . . . . . . . . . . Go Pullman . . . . . . . . . . . . .

COMFORTABLE, DEPENDABLE, AND-ABOVE ALL – SAFE!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[BudKarr]

Just a brief visit, Captain Tom. I visited your other thread and must say that you are very ambitious a person indeed. Amazing amount of material that you are putting out for those who have nothing to lose and much to gain by reading your postings.

Why no regulars from here making a stop every now and then? Surely that would be an indication of support, especially in light of what you have done here. Oh, oh, I best be careful, I recall that there are a couple with some sensitivities that I have tweaked in the past. <smile>

I failed to make mention in my earlier posting of your Christmas RR submissions. I probably will not see the final two for a couple of days, but the first six are sure fire winners! Good job.

One more JD on the rocks, then I must be off to my new surroundings here in rather brisk Alberta Province. Brisk is an understatement!

I see one Mr. Nick from West Wales is on board. Hello Sir!

Time for me to get along.

BK