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[nickinwestwales]

Well good day to one & all,hope you are all making the most of the day of rest.
Just slipped in to throw some captions at the pix,for which many thanks [4:-)]TOM [tup]-an exemplary job,as ever.
O.K-couple of quick posts-
RED P-thanks for clarification-sounds like quite a dislocating lifestyle,never knowing where or when-maybe thats the attraction.........Nice pix by the way-loads of `Feel`[tup]
MIKE-Glad you liked the pix,see notes below.
The Argentine Ranch is a front to launder money from our rug smuggling and couterfeit spam canning business`
P.S-I`ll go for the ledbelly version[swg]

Right then,picture captions:-
The first quartet are from Slovenia,The most N-W part of Yugoslavia. This is the station at Lake Bled,a winter sports resort an hours drive south of the Julian Alps & the Austrian Border.
The steamer is one of half a dozen retained for tourist trips & the D.M.U provides the regular stopping service.
The second batch are from the other side of the Iron Curtain-bottom left is the Great Western society museum at Didcot who have reproduced a section of Broad ( 7 ft ) and mixed gauge yard including a trans-shipment shed.
clockwise from here we have a Dublin-Rosslare Europort service arriving at Rosslare strand,Co Wexford (the junction for the line to Waterford & the west ) and two views of Enniscorthy,Co Wexford taken from both sides of a road bridge-the tunnel under the town one I treasure greatly
The remaining two groups are a complete change of mood-PETE-If you were a Railway Modeller reader prior to your relocation,these pix may ring some bells[swg]
The pix are of a 32mm/45mm dual guage empire called the Compton Down Railway owned by a gentleman named Peter Jones.
He has established this point-to-point live steam empire in the middle of a sleepy estate of sea-side bungalows,a dozen or so miles from me.
I had enjoyed his articles in R.M for a number of years and was pleasantly suprised to find that he lived in the district.-When he mentioned in an article that he held an annual open day I felt it was to good to miss and the first of several happy afternoons is shown here.
As to hard info about the trains,all I have is -The tender loco is an 0-6-2-poss. by Brandbright-The owner & myself spent a painfull 20 mins. removing the trailing truck which didn`t suit the curves.
The grubby tank with the balloon stack is a rebuilt Mamod pot-boiler and a much sweeter runner than she looks,if memory serves.
The little Peckett tank ( maker unknown)was on a maiden run and looked better than she performed,hence the light load.
The steam-tram was a little beauty although,for my money,the extended stack rather spoiled the line-note also the 7.25 inch test track bottom right ( the 3.5/5 inch dual gauge track is on the other side of the garden [^] ).
Right then,my work here is done-time to wrestle with the trackplanner software for an hour before bed,night chaps-sleep well,nick[C=:-)]

[red p]

Nick- Well its like this, railroading is not for everybody.
The job is not hard, its the lifestyle thats hard for a lot of folks.
I happen to love working like this. of course we can mark off whenever we want to.
I dont like the idea of being stuck indoors or having someone stand over my shoulder.
I also dont like the idea of working the same hours everday, going to work at exactly the same time everyday or even doing the samething over and over all day long.
Some people however prefer to work like that ,I dont!
For me everyday is different and thats the way I like it.
P

[Trainnut484]

Good evening Tom and rest-o-th-gang. Just got back from my wife's family Christmas get-together. A bit early, but it's a big family, and kinda hard to get them all together in the same place at the same time. Lot's of great food and great fun. Santa Claus met with the little rug rats nice boys and girls. I'm sure his knees and legs are sore from all the kids sitting on his lap telling him what they want for Christmas.

Since we're closed today, I'm just quietly slipping this thru da slot.

Here's my contribution for Sunday Photo Day. Me standing next to exATSF 5011 at the St. Louis, MO Transportation museum a couple of years ago. Yes, the headlight and marker/class lights are on. The bell can be rung from the cab.


Take care

Russell

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

G’day! Rather quiet weekend, but THANX go out to those who stopped by! [tup] The coffee’s freshly brewed, The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case is full and our <light> breakfasts are ready for orderin’ … so, whaddilyahave [?]


Daily Wisdom:

Marry a woman with brains enough for two and you’ll come out even.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST – CONTEST – CONTEST

It’s time again to play the guessing game! What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?]

PRIZE [?] Free food ‘n drink for any of the following days: Thursday (Fish ‘n Chips Nite) – Friday (Pizza and Steak ‘ Fries Nite) – Saturday (Steak, etc.)

BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

PRIZE [?] Reservations for two in the Penthouse Suite for any weekend night of your choice!

RULES: No ties gentlemen. The FIRST one who Posts a guess that hits the mark, wins! It’s that simple.

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]

pwolfe Pete . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . . . . . siberianmo Tom

(2) MARK YOUR CALENDAR!

Monday, December 12th represents the 8th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place! An appropriate way to celebrate our “founding day” is to Post information relating to travel by rail during the Christmas holiday season!

With ample time to prepare, I would expect we will all find something suitable for this event. An advertisement, an article, a personal account – anything at all that will bring to light a trip or two by rail during the Christmas season.

That’s it! Nothing more to do. No “party” per se – it’s not a birthday celebration – just an opportunity for us all to recognize this achievement we’ve all contributed to. [tup]


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 06:48:22 (182) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(2) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 08:28:31 (182) 2 Pix, etc.

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 09:45:15 (182) RR Heralds

(4) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 09:52:15 (182)

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 11:18:33 (182) reply to P

(6) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 12:05:24 (182)

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 12:49:24 (182) 4 Pix from Nick’s album

(8) wanswheel Mike Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 16:39:23 (182)

(9) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 18:20:24 (182) Inclusive Post, Pix descrips

(10)ftwNSengineer P Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 18:33:01 (182)

(11) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 21:56:26 (182) 1 Pix, etc.

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



REMINDER! One significant difference between our thread and others is that we are INCLUSIVE with our remarks and ACKNOWLEDGE the other guy. We also GREET the bartender and ORDER something from the bar and/or kitchen! Let's NOT let this place deteriorate to a level whereby a CLOSED sign becomes necessary.

[siberianmo]

This feature, called the INDEX, is now separate from the daily SUMMARY and will continue to be “Mondays only.”


A helplful hint:

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).


Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106/150 SP ……… 106/150 MP …….. 108/155/170 WP …. 109 Frisco
112 CNR ………… 112/182 Heralds . . 114 ACL .………….. 115 SAL
116 D&RGW ……. 118/181 RI . . . . . . 119 D&H ..…………. 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …… 124 UP …………… 125 AT&SF .………. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP ……. 129 CB&Q ………. 130 Soo Line ……… 133 C&NW
134 SP&S ……….. 136 GN ………….. 139 B&M ………….. 140 NH
141 MEC .……….. 142 BAR ………… 145 NP .……………. 146 L&N
147 WRR .……….. 148 C&O ……….. 148 KCS .………….. 151 N&W
152 Erie …………. 152 IC ..………….. 154 NPR .….………. 155 SR
156 CGW ……….. 157 RDG ………… 158 MON ....………. 159 IT
162 LV ………….. 163 GM&O ..…….. 164 Extra


Passenger Train Nostalgia and just plain Nostalgia!

110/181 …. MKT Combined Fallen Flag and Ads
112 ……… CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121/174 …. #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Diesel Electric Trains
129/174 …. #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
134 ………. Personal RR journey CPR’s “The Canadian”
135 ………. Great Britain #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Great Britain #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. #8 Ad – Great Northern
139 ………. #9 Ads – Great Northern
140 ………. #10 Ad – Union Pacific
141 ………. Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142 ………. Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143 ………. #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian
145 ………. #12 Ad – NP
146 ………. #13 Ad – L&N
146 ………. Great Britain #4 Poster - Silver Jubilee
147 ………. #14 Ad – Budd & Wabash
148 ………. #15 Ad – C&O
149 ………. HERTZ Ad - 1956
151 ………. #16 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. #17 Ad – Budd RDC (1950)
153 ………. North American Steam Loco Wheel Arrangements
154 ………. #18 Ad – Budd RDC (1953)
155 ………. #19 Ad – Budd RDC (1954)
156 ………. #20 Ad – SP, Golden State (1951)
157 ………. #21 Ad – SP, Sunset limited (1951
158 ………. #22 Ad – SP, City of San Francisco (1951)
159 ………. #23 Ad – AT&SF (1950)
161 ………. 9 WWII Ads ENCORE! of Vets/Remembrance Day Commemoration
162 ………. #24 Ad – AT&SF (1951)
163 ………. #25 Ad – AT&SF (1952)
164 ………. #26 Ad – Olympian Hiawatha
166 ………. AVIS Ad – 1956
167 ………. Pocket List of RR Officials Ad – 1956
169 ………. #27 Ad – NYC Aerotrain (1956)
170 ………. #28 Ad – NYC Xplorer (1956)
171 ………. #29 Ad – CP (1950)
172 ………. #30 Ad – CP (1950)
173 ………. #31 Ad – Pullman (1950)
176 ………. #32 Ad – Pullman (1950)
177 ………. #33 Ad – Soo Line – Winnipegger (1956)
178 ………. #34 Ad – Burlington Route (1949)
180 ………. #35 Ad – Soo Line – Mountaineer (1956)
181 ………. #36 Ad – Soo Line – The Laker (1956)


trolleyboy ROB’s Barn

Classic Juice

116/161 …. Classic Juice #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 ………. Classic Juice #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131/155 …. Classic Juice #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134/181 …. Classic Juice #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)
142 ………. Classic Juice #5 (The Berlin & Water Street Railway - B&WSR)
146 ………. Classic Juice #6 (The Nearside Car)
148 ………. Classic Juice #7 (The Peter Witt Story)
157 ………. Classic Juice #8 (The PCC)
140 ………. Classic Juice #9 (The Nipissing Central)
162 ………. Classic Juice #10 (The Safety Car)
163 ………. Classic Juice #11 (Electricity and the big roads in Canada Part 1 CNR)
180 ………. Classic Juice #12 (The Toronto Civic Railways)
…………… Classic Juice #13 (Rolling Stock of the TCR)

Classic CNR Steam

159 ….. Classic CNR Steam #1 (The Huntsville Subdivision)
163 ….. Classic CNR Steam #2 (The Alliston Subdivision Trains)
165 ….. Classic CNR Steam #3 (Passenger & Freight trains on the Strathroy Subdivision)
170 ….. Classic CNR Steam #4 (Passenger & Mixed trains to Niagara Falls)
........... Classic CNR Steam #5 (Passenger trains on the Brampton & Thorndale
Subdivisions)
176 ….. Classic CNR Steam #6 (The Roustabout)


passengerfan Al’s Streamliner Corner

166 ….. Rocky Mountain Rocket of the CRI&P (Rock Island)
166 ….. Arizona Limited of the CRI&P and SP.
167 ….. Southern Belles of the KCS.
169 ….. #1 Gulf Coast Rebel
.………. #2 Choctaw Rocket
.………. #3 Miss Lou
.………. #4 Illini
170 ….. #5 City of Las Vegas
.………. #6 Land O’Corn
.………. #7 Prospectors
171 ….. #8 Twin Star Rocket
.………. #9 Dixie Flagler
172 … #10 City of Miami
……… #11 South Wind
173 …. #12 Electroliners
……… #13 Streamliners
174 …. #14 Southerners
175 …. #15 Congressional
……… #l6 Senator
177 …. #17 Gopher & Badger
178 …. #18 Advance Denver Zephyrs
179 …. #19 Commodore Vanderbilt
180 …. #20 City of Memphis
181 …. #21 20th Century Limited


barndad Doug’s Roundhouse

168 ….. The Making of a Signalman, Part I
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part II
……….. The Making of a Signalman, Part III
171 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part I
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part II
……….. Through Thick & Thin, Part III
172 ….. Through Thick & Thin, Part IV
174 ….. Walking the Track, Part I
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part II
175 ….. Walking the Track, Part III
178 ….. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part I
………. Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part II


NOTE: Please try to refrain from Posting on Sundays – that’s MY DAY OFF and these Index compilations take time to format! [swg] Plus it detracts from the idea of Sunday Photo Posting Day! Thank you! [tup]


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[red p]

Morning Tom Coffee and a bagel please, well vacation is over time to go back to work.
P

shhhh- Dont tell Tom, but I put superglue on his tweeter.

[wanswheel]

Good morning Tom and everyone. Just here for the pastry. Thank you Mr. Baker for working in the middle of the night to make sure those sweet ladies who work the counter have a fresh assortment to arrange so enticingly on the cart. I'll take the prune danish before anyone else does (how you be today Ted?) I need it for writer's block.P that first photo of PL9046 looks like a print of a snapshot with the white frame intact. How did you do that, with a scanner? I wondered about the process when you posted that letter from PC Detroit office. I have "mortar & brick" photos from years ago that would be great to post on Sunday but not the wherewithal for digital. Russell have you put on a pound since your days on the Chiefs? Just kidding. Much lighter than that Atchison loco with the headlight on. Or is theTopeka. I can't keep track of all the abreviations , acronyms and intials, around here. We need a glossary. I mean I need a glossary. It took me a week to figure out that ALCO had nothing to do with aluminum foil.

"The legendary Santa Fe trail from Independence, Missouri to the City of the Holy Faith of St. Francis crossed the length of the Kansas territory, and while it made few traders rich, it held a romantic lure far more significant than its meager traffic warranted. Founded in 1598...Santa Fe became the governmental and economic center for a vast territory...isolated from the rest of New Spain." (from "History of the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway" by Keith Bryant.)
I'm partial to the Santa Fe too and not because I was ever on it. Or to St. Louis either. The station there had gorgeous flood lit fountains out front in the old postcards. St. Louis might have become the hub, no? After all it was a long-established shipping city right there on the river way before Chicago got big.
Nick I'm not up on Europe except it's got the Matterhorn. I read somewhere that the width of track guage, if that's the terminology, was derived from a width of carriages determined in Roman times. Don't quote me on that or believe as I do everything on the Internet. But surely though, European rail history differs from North American rail history most significantly in the raisson detre department. We needed the rails to unify the land between two oceans, whereas the Appian Way etc did all that over there eons ago.
Speaking of golden spikes, the Rutland RR got a 20 year jump on the big ceremony idea.
On December 18, 1849 "trains from Burlington and Boston met on the top of Mount Holly, where the last spike was driven. Salt water from Boston Harbor was mingled with a sample of fresh water from Lake Champlain, and thus the new road was christened."

[red p]

wanswheel - yes that was done with a scanner. I do have a sizable photo collection, a PC document collection.
(one of my projects is putting my form 19s into a binder to preserve them. I was givin a stack about an inch and a half thick. it is all of the form 19s that came out of Mike Tower in Ft. Wayne. For the month of Feb. 1972.)
I also have a collection of slides that continues to grow as I buy them off ebay. Cant post those though because I dont have a slide scanner. I did look into buying one but they are not cheap. I will get one someday though and when I do I will have a lot of color photos to post.
P

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #37

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . surround them with scenery! . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . sell EAGLE Dome Coaches . . . . .

Your Travel Patrons will enjoy thrilling Dome Coaches on these great trains!

*The TEXAS EAGLES overnight between St. Louis, Memphis and the principal cities of Texas. Through sleeping cars between Chicago, New York, Washington and Texas. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin and San Antonio. Direct connections at Laredo with new streamlined AZTEC EAGLE to Mexico City.

*The COLORADO EAGLE between St. Louis, Kansas City, Wichita and Colorado. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Denver.

*The MISSOURI RIVER EAGLE between St. Louis and Kansas City, St. Joseph, Lincoln, Omaha. Planetarium-dome coaches between St. Louis and Omaha.

. . . . . . . . . . R. J. McDermott . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . General Passenger Traffic Mgr. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . 1601 Missouri Pacific Bldg. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . St. Louis 3, Mo. . . . . . . . . . .

MISSOURI PACIFIC LINES Route of the Eagles


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon All: Coffee, please, round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. I think we'll punch up "The Girls All Get Prettier at Closing Time" for Nick and all those in recovery from the weekend. Weather here today is "frog" freezing fog with a fair amount of snow just to our east.

All kinds of interesting posts over the past few days. I especially appreciated the information on the 20th Century Limited, the photos, and heralds, too. The new issue of Trains has a nice little story on the 20th Century running in sections with a picture of Hickory Creek and also of an NYC dining car.

The 1927 floods in New England deserve a book. I have a 7 vol. set of CV material in my collection and one of the volumes has a lot of coverage of the 1927 floods. They also took a whack out of the Boston and Maine as well. I recall some of the "old heads" telling stories about that.

As for slides, we won't even go there, except to say that there are a lot of them at the house. The other night I was looking for something else and spent a happy couple of hours projecting large color images of the Western Maryland. My my, those black and gold Alcos were pretty.

If we are still taking entries for the contest, here's mine: December 18; I believe it will be our 'steamed proprietor who will be the "page turner."

BTW, there's an ad for subway cars in the new issue of MR; nice red ones.

Since it's so !@#$ nasty out today, our thoughts necessarily turn toward trains toward warmer climes. Here's something for you from the Official Guide pages for the the NC&StL

Florida Service -
The All Pullman "Dixie Limited"
The De-Luxe Smart "Dixie Flyer"
Between Chicago-St. Louis-Florida

Dixie Limited - All Pullman No Extra Fare Train
Dixie Flyer - Luxurious De Luxe

Now for something from Cunard - Havana Service (also in the Official Guide)

Turn the spotlight on yourself...

Admit it now...no pep, no spontaneous mirth...sneezing along between colds and fevers. Is that being smart? Pack yourself off for 9, 16, 0r 20 days in Havana...where thermometers hover arounda delightful summer temperature.

Colds...neuritis...sciatica,,,all their unfriendly relations disappear...you discover a new reason for living. The sparkle and vivacity that is Havana seeps thorugh your tired personality and you are reborn...to jopyous, carefree days,,,soft, sweet-scented nights...under the Southern stars,,,and all the beauty and romance that is Havana.

Sail any Wednesday or Saturday in either of Cunard's transatlantic sisters, the Caronia or Carmenia. Minimum round trip rates fiorst class only $175. All-expense toure of 9 to 20 days' duration from $193 up.

Turn the spotlight on yourself - then sail Cunard.

A Gala event S.S. Mauretania sails to Havana February 12 1930.
This popular transatlantic flyer will be trhe largest and fastest steamer to Havana. If you are planning a trip to Havana, this Mauretania sailing represents the very last word in speed and luxury...the high spot of the winter social season.

Have a good day.


work safe

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Tom and the gang. I'll just grab a tea and leave some quarters ( and loonies )[:-^] [:D] for the wurlitzer. This working a half week of nights half week of regular's starting to wear me thin [xx(]. That coupled with working in a store this time of year and I'm well wiped out. I had two spreads of photo's for yesterday but I was just too pooped to participate.

Thanks for the MP passenger info. We need the domes info etc with Al out of here for a few days (daze).


nick, russell, P Thanks for the photo's liked em [tup] Tom nice spread of heralds as well the colour brightened up the weekend !


CM3 I'm glad that I'm not the only one in a deep freeze weatherwise. we haven't had much snow here ( almost none really ) but it's colder than a witches tit as my dear old gran would say.

Tell us more about them thar great floods of '27[tup][:D]

Also those new add pics of the red subways will more than likley get mine and Ted's creative juices flowing. Too cold otherwise [:O]


Mike Some nice timely info on NE as per always thank-you. You do seem to be following the flow arouind here quite well, we are kinfd of like a nice old comfy flannel shirt around here. Flatbed scanners are fairly cheap, and easy to add to your computer. The one I use came with all it's info on a disk i just plugeed it in and popped in it's disk and in five minutes itn was up and running. ( KISS ) nice and simple for us who are technologically challenged. Slide scanners are nice but they are very pricey.


P So you are a long haul guy. I would imagine that if I were to ever get into the feild that that's where I would want to be as well. I like having some variety in the workplace as well. I don't think that I woukld want to be tied down to the same yard job 24/7 myself. Nice photo's as well [tup]


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay something for the archieves.

CNR STEAM #7... PASSENGER TRAINS AT PALMERSTON ONTARIO

As taken from Ian Wilson's Steam Over Palmerston.

Palmerston is a town close to my heart. i've only visited it once but my Great Grandfather ( Mom's granddad ) was a section man / track walker based out of Palmerston. So I have been told many a story about these times in the 40's and 50's. Mom grew op in Listowell not far from this at the time important division point on CNR's mid Ontario branchlines.

Passenger switching Moves at Palmerston

Prior to Sept. 30,1956 , London trains 168 and 170 arrived on the north leg of wye and backed into the dog leg. After sept 30, train 168 arrived on the south leg of wye to facilitate the transfer of mail car to train 169. Southhampton trains 178 and M330 arrived on Owen Sound mainline,and cars were switched to adjacent yard lead after unloading. Kincardine trains 176 and M332 arrived on North leg of wye and backed into dog leg. after unloading , cars from Kincardine trains were removed from dog leg to make room for loading of Southhampton trains ( late in steam era M332,began arriving on Owen Sound mainline, backing in behind M330 ). Outgoing Kincardine trainswere backed from yard lead through crossovers, and forward to load on the Newton sub mainline ( generally upon arrival of train for Owen Sound ).

All trains to and from Owen Sound arrived on Owen Sound mainline. Engines off 172 and 174 backed onto cars left on yard lead. Engine then worked train around the wye to load on ( and leave from ) opposite side of the station. After sept 30, 1956 , 169 loaded on Owen Sound mainline, with mail car off 168 added to consist. At departrure, train backed to, then left from,north leg of the wye. All Southampton trains left from the dog leg. All trains for Kincardine left from Newton sub mainline. Durham mixed arrived on,and left from, Owen Sound mainline.


CARS

Consists of 173 from Hamilton,and 175 from Toronto went to Owen Sound,and returned to originating terminals on trains 174 and 172 respectivly. At Palmerston, cars as required from London trains were cycled to Southampton and return ( 168 to M329, 170 to 179, 178 to 169, M330 to 171 ). Through the end of steam, RPO cars worked from Hamilton to Park Head and return on 173 and 174 , and from Toronto to Owen Sound and return on 175 and 172. Untill sept 29 1956 , RPO's worked from London to Southampton and return on, 170, 179, M330 & 171 and 168 , M329,178 & 169/29. And from Palmerston to Kincardine and return on M331 & 176. Mailwas also handled bynbaggage cars on Durham trains M333 & M 334. and Kincardine trains 177 & M332. Effective sept 30,1956, all mail service on Southampton,Kincardine,and Durham subdivisions was cancelled. as a result, RPO's dissapeared from 170 & 171, and the RPO off 168 at Palmerston returned to London the same morning on 169/29 ( necessitiating a schedule change and revised operating procedures at palmerston )

The Passenger Trains


Number 168

Left London at 6am, after making connections with train 14, the Chicago-Montreal International Limited . At Stratford, cnnected with Goderich-Toronto train 28, Stratford-Sarnia train 601, and Stratford - Fort Erie M219. Scheduled meet with counterpart 169 at Milverton ( effective sept 30/56, departure time changed to enable 168 to arrive at Palmerston before 169 left ). At Palmerston,connected with Hamilton-Owen Sound train 173.

Number 169

From Palmerston,train to Stratford and London morning connection for Owen Sound-Toronto train 172,Kincardine-Palmerston train 176, and Southampton-Palmerston train 178. See number 168 for meeting times on Newton sub. At Stratford,connected to train 29 from Toronto. Consist of train 29 proceeded to Goderich as number 35. Consist of train 169 proceeded to London as number 29,where it connected with train 17 the Montreal-Chicago International Limited , and it's Windsor/Detroit section 117.Equipment off 29 at London worked to Port Huron and back on trains 17 and 20. In the eveining,these cars headed back to Palmerston on 170.

Number 170

Left London at 6:25pm,after connecting with train 620 from Sarnia. At Stratford,connected with Toronto-London train 11 ( connection disscontinued sept.30/56) At Palmerston,connected with Toronto-Owen Sound train 175.

Number 171

From Palmerston, train was Stratford and London afternoon connection for Owen-Sound-Hamilton train 174,Kincardine-Palmerston M332 and Southampton-Palmerston M330. See trains 168 and 170.

Number 172

Left Owen Sound at 5:50 am. At Palmerston,made connection with 176 from Kincardine,and 178 from Southampton and 169 for London.

Number 173

Left hamilton at 8:50 am. Connected with trains 27 and 29 at Guelph.In the 40's at Guelph an express car and two coaches from Toronto were lifted from 29,and placed at the rear of the hamilton cars. These came off at Palmerston,and were added to the tail end of number 174, and switched to train 34 at Guelph.Number 173 picked up an express car from number 27 at Guelph. At Palmerston,173 connecte dwith mixed trains to Kincardine,Southampton.and Durham,made connections to M337 for Wiarton and set an RPO out for Park Head.

Number 174

Left Owen Sound at 1:45pm. Usually lifted express car off Wiarton M336 at Park Head. Connected at Palmerston with mixed trains from Southampton,Kincardine,and Durham. Connected with trains 34 and 36 at Guelph. In the 1950's, express car was set off for no 36 at Guelph.


Number 175

Left Toronto at 5:35pm.At Palmerston,conected with train 170 from London,train 177 for Kincardine,and train 179 for Southampton.

Enjoy Rob

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and,although I dont usually drink spirits, a good tot of Wood's Navy Rum to try to shift this pesky cold I've picked up please. I hope TED that you are feeling better.

ROB thanks for the Delston info. I remember Chris had given some info on it. I had been looking back through the pages of Our Place but like Encore Day I found some interesting post from the past and spent the next hour reading it and the follow ups.There has been a lot of great info posted at the bar.Anyway I have found their web-site it is
http//www.exporail.org/
This looks a great museum with the 1st Montreal Electric and Observation street cars and 100 scale models together with their Loco collection.
Thanks for the C.N.R.Steam#7 greatdetail of the operations.[tup]

MIKE Thanks for the posts on the floods and the Santa-Fe trail.I'm not sure how they arrived at the 4ft-81/2 inches guage athough I.K. Brunel built the Great Western to a
7ft-01/4 inch guage. this allowed far higher speeds than the standard guage even in the 1840s but caused a great deal of extra work when the two guages met with the trans-shipment of goods. A Goverment Inquiry found in favor of the Standard guage and the last broad guage train ran in the U.K. in May 1892 with the final conversion taking place over ONE weekend. NICK has a good photo of the Mixed-guage tracks at Didcot in the Sundays photos. They have also built a replica Broad-Guage Loco at Didcot.

Good photos P. The late 60s and the early 70s were an interesting time for diesels in the U.K. too,although steam had just finished there, some classes was not photographed too often.

Thanks for trying to warm us up CM3 Heres a question for the regulars.I' ll buy a few beers to the one who can tell me.
Where did the SS.MAURETANIA, hooter finish up. A CLUE. About as far from the sea as it could be in this particular place but still in occasional use.(It is no longer there.)

TOM Great info on the MO-PAC The steam hauled Eagles must have been a wonderful sight along the Missouri. [#offtopic] but talking of eagles,on friday when coming back from the Post-Office in Jeff City the Wildlife people were releasing two young Bald Eagles they had nursed back to health they also had a full grown one which was being shown for the T.V. They are magnificent birds.Thanks for posting NICKS pics[tup].

NICK Great pics.THE Compton Down Rly looks wonderful in a great Welsh setting unfortunatly I did not have a layout back home but I certainly appricate the hard work and the amount of detail in the many fine layouts I have seen.
Can you tell me on what line is Enniscorthy Did you go on any of the Steam tours that have been in Ireland [?].
As for Swindon engines being the best [%-)] IM not sure about that but it sure would have been interesting if W.A.Stanier had became C.M.E. of the Great Western instead of designing the L.M.S. stud of such fine locomotives.
PETE.

[siberianmo]

Evenin’ Gents!

An Email has been sent to ALL members of the Order of the Stools – Permanent and Regular. PLEASE acknowledge receipt and IF you didn’t get it, let me know. Thanx! [tup[

Special for Ted – Hope all’s well. We miss ya ‘round here.

Some acknowledgments:

wanswheel Mike
Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 16:39:23 and 05 Dec 2005, 11:01:02

Sounds like the makings of a great series for the Mentor Village Gazette – why not send me a paragraph or two of your “Follow the Beef” story [?] I’ll put it in the next edition …. [swg]

Like those music clips and we could use more – even the “classic” of “Does your chewing gum lose its flavor on the bedpost over night?” [yeah]

Surely you have noted the warning label – “Caution, images in the cyber mirror may be distorted beyond comprehension!” [swg]

I have scanned photo’s from 35 mm prints for inclusion within my photo albums in my computer. Can be done, but there is a quality difference. Depending on the quality you start with, of course, will determine the quality of the copy. Anyway, I’m hoping that someone will “walk you through” the process – it would be great to have some pix from you for our Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Good stuff on the Santa Fe and the Rutland RR! [tup][tup]

Received your Email and will check it out further in the AM … thanx!

nickinwestwales Nick
Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 18:20:24

Appreciate the captions for the pix, Mate! Keep those pix rollin’ in – but if you will, try to get ‘em to me a bit earlier in the week. Like to space out my cyber work to avoid that weekend crunch. [tup]

Your Emails have been received - one reply en route - thanx!

Trainnut484 Russell
Posted: 04 Dec 2005, 21:56:26

Nice win by the Chiefs! There are no easy teams on the way to the playoffs, anything can and does happen to be best of ‘em. Still don’t care for some of the “personalities” in the pro sports world. Guys with criminal records and ongoing flaps about this or that really bother me. Wonder what they will do once they wind up without fame and most probably, fortune [?] Then again, who gives a rat’s patoot!

Appreciate the pix and I’m hoping we can get more from you for next week. C’mon – it’s past time for some Russell Photo Magic! [tup]

ftwNSengineer P
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 09:50:28 and 11:18:45

Thhhhhhhhhhhtweeeeeeeeeeeethhhhhhhhhh! Thhhhhhhhhhhhtweeeeeeeeeeeeethhhhhhhhhhhh!

What the #&%$6^ is wrong with my tweeter [?]

Okay, then we’ll resort to our next best attention getting – Boris go get the hard rubber mallet from the Rat’s Patoot Room! – that should do it! [swg]

I saw a Post of yours on Robs museum site and think you should consider Posting it here. Really good stuff on the Norfolk Southern. I think our crew would enjoy it …..

I too have quite an inventory of 35mm color slides – going back into my early days in the service. A few dozen taken in Alaska before statehood and shortly thereafter. Would love to convert them over. Just haven’t taken the time to research what’s available out there. Any tips [?} I can always find the money by jacking up the prices of the bagels that some of you seem to think will keep us afloat! [swg]

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 13:27:25

Thanx for participating in the contest! Wudda thought by now we’d have more than three “takers.” Unbelievable – just makes me wonder whether the stuff I’m putting out is being read.

Good stuff on the NC&StL as well as Cunard [tup][tup] I spend quite a bit of time browsing the flimsy pages of my 1956 (Aug) edition of The Official Guide of the Railways – love those ads – trains, rental cars, steamship lines, etc. Great stuff indeed.

I’m having a bit of trouble communicating with you by Email these days as every one I’ve sent gets sent back as being “undelivered.” Please send me an Email when you have the chance so that we can resume our comms – I’ve got some “things” for you. Thanx!

Appreciate the round and of course the quarters for our Juke – Herr Wurlitzer! [tup][tup]

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 15:42:57 and 17:-0:12

Totally understandable, Mate! Family and work surely take precedence over the Ether. Just miss having you ‘round here. Hopefully those pix will show up next Sunday! [yeah]

That’s a terrific CNR Steam and I hope the guys take the time to read it! Good work and very much on target insofar as our discussion of Classic Trains is concerned! [tup][tup][tup]

pwolfe Pete
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 19:21:17

Here’s what I found regarding the RMS Mauretania: The ship was purchased on 3 April 1935 by Metal Industries Ltd. of Glasgow for scrap. All the fixtures and fittings were auctioned on 14 May at Southampton Docks. On 1 July the ship left for the Tyne. On 3 July it reached the Firth of Forth and was then moved to Rosyth for dismantling. (from http://www.ocean-liners.com/ships/mauretania.asp)

Not a good time to be fighting a cold, especially with the temps in the teens here in mid-continent U.S.A. Take one of those bottles of “Jack” with you when you leave, it’ll chase away any cold I know of! [swg] Just get over it BEFORE our Amtrak trip!

I agree with you about how those Eagles must have looked while speeding along the banks of the Missouri River. A heck of a lot more impressive than our 3 car Amtrak consists, eh [?] Well, the positive take on it is at least we have two round trips per day between StL and KCity.


Okay, that’s it for me. Leon the Night Man has the bar! Boris Ring the bell – a round on me for everyone at the bar!

Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]



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(1) Check to see if you are getting the MOST CURRENT info before Posting.
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(4) It’s a long wait until your next visit and perhaps by then some pertinent info directed your way will be missed.

[nickinwestwales]

Well here we all are,another week older & a long haul to friday-but what better place to shed the cares of the day[^]-Right [4:-)]TOM,since monday is traditionally [C=:-)]`s night off I shall sit awhile,have a glass-in-each-hand sort of drink for a bit,put loads of wholly unsuitable music on the juke and generally show myself up,please feel free to show me the door when I cease to be even slightly amusing. Two Staropramen please and start the clock [tup][^[tup]
So we are needing the penthouse suite is it ? ( sorry,lapsed into Welsh syntax there)--O.K-Boris,come here-right, upstairs,big bedroom,sparkly glass lights,clean-where MANAGER SIR THEODORE takes the barmaids for their `interviews`-yes ?-go and take all the tins of meat & rolls of carpet and put them in your shed,lock the door & bring me the key-you can sleep in the beer cellar for a few days-it will be just like home...good er,-boy
ah [4:-)]TOM,best have another couple,these two seem to have evaporated or something,-ah good man,I know its early for you but I`m sure a man of your station in life can enjoy a pre-prandial beer or two-A.K`s finest ?
MoPac surely had the market sewn up with the `Eagle`branding-how potent a piece of imagery is that-from the Eagles on the standards of the Roman legions to the only `grown up` on Sesame street/The Muppet show to the jet engines under the wings version the Stones used for a backdrop on the `Brown Sugar` press launch....but I wander,to posts before my faculties fail me:-
RED P-Hi,If I`d heard that pitch 20 years ago I would have jumped at the chance-whatever happened to the spirit of adventure-?
Safe journey by the way,will have a large Jack awaiting your return[tup]
RUSS-how ya doin ?-glad you had some quality family time-and the best thing about it-getting back to your own space afterwards,nice pic by the way-a handsome beast ( the engine has it`s good points too.......)
MIKE-Howdy,you have some ( rather belated ) mail-Having read the article in the archive I can see a second thread binding us,our bar manager SIR THEODORE ( currently on sick leave ) is a trombonist of some note (D# I think) whose presence never fails to lift the house band to new heights.
As to std gauge,my understanding is that Stephenson set the gauge based on an average of the horse drawn carts coming & going from North Wylam colliery during a day.It is entirely possible that the basic dimensions of the carts have remained unchanged since Roman times-A given number of horses can only pull so much. Also the Romans would have required that two carts could pass each other on any stretch of road & they built roads to a standard pattern...........
[4:-)]TOM,I think I may have brought in a crate of rogue bottles,that evaporation thing seems to be happening again,would you be so kind-and a round for the boys,to keep out the chill,good man-one yourself,obviously...........ahhh
Right,a quick shout into the ether--"SIR MANAGER THEODORE-Can you hear me-one knock for yes,two knocks for no--Appreciate that you probably can`t come to the phone right now,but that funny tingle in the back of your neck is us wishing you well in a concerted effort.
CM3-Appreciate yor kind thoughts R.E weekend-by an odd quirk of fate,this weekends venue is one of the few where the girls are actually LESS attractive at closing time ( Believe me,you need to be there....) P.S-steamed proprieter-[tup][[^][tup]..oh yes[^]

BAR CHANDLER ROB-first up,thanks for the latest instalment [tup]
As to the rest,I bear grave tidings-the O.N.R `Cats`-As you know,the last 3 were `in store` at North Bay.
As far as I can make out,one is still there,the other two were rumoured to be part of a `package deal` with 2 S.D40`s going out to a lease company in B.C.
Have also seen reports of an F.P.7 being cut up in the on-route scrap yard ( Pinchot bros ?)but may be the last of the G.M units.
Anyway,the real bad news is that the last `Cat` & the 2 remaing T.E.E coaches were due to go for scrap last month and are counting the days..( apparently,they are being used as temporary accomodation by the local wino`s)
Now hows that for a challenge-rescue ourselves a nice little private train,the perfect venue for all manner of social occaisions........An F.P.7a with 2 custom-fitted Werkspoor cars....The REALLY scary bit is that we could probablly do it...................................
Well gentlemen,I`ve noticed a distinct lean to the left on my last two attempts at the bathroom ( the boys playing pool were certainly suprised if not impressed ) and I feel I should treat this as a gentle warning from the gods not to push my luck,have a pleasant evening everyone,see you tomorrow,nick[C=:-)]

[red p]

Tom - ok, here it is(and the grand opening was today !)
How about a beer while your at it,by the way what happened to your tweeter?


Highlighting 175 Years of Railroading, Norfolk Southern Museum Will Open December 5


NORFOLK, Va., Dec. 2 /PRNewswire/ -- Early rail, clothing, tools, locomotive parts, signage, photographs and advertisements are a few of the artifacts that will be on display when the Norfolk Southern Museum opens Dec. 5.

The opening marks Norfolk Southern Corporation's (NSC) 175th anniversary and reflects the company's partnership with Norfolk and communities across the rail system.

"Norfolk Southern has a great story to tell," said Chairman David R. Goode. "Our 175-year history parallels the economic and social growth of America, and now we are playing a growing role in the global movement of 21st century goods. We've been around a long time, but our history is just beginning.

"The museum illustrates the contributions of our company in the growth of this area and the nation. We hope it will be a resource for educators and students as well as an interesting attraction for visitors," Goode said.


Norfolk Southern traces its origin to 1830. Since those earliest days of American railroading, hundreds of smaller roads combined, reorganized and consolidated to form the Norfolk and Western and Southern railways, which joined in 1982 to create Norfolk Southern. A portion of Conrail was added in 1999, resulting in today's system covering the eastern United States.


The History Factory, of Chantilly, Va., designed and built the 1,600- square-foot museum, which includes artifacts contributed by employees, customers and suppliers, as well as by historical associations and museums. The railroad's effect on American culture, and the diversity of the people who built it, are highlighted. Exhibits bring visitors up to the present, explaining the railroad's role in modern-day logistics.


The museum is located on the ground floor of the company's office building at Three Commercial Place in Norfolk. Beginning Dec. 5, hours will be 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Monday through Friday. The museum will be open to the public free of charge.


A visit to the museum by the life-size Best Friend of Charleston replica locomotive, on loan from the city of Charleston, S.C., is scheduled for Dec. 15-16. The original Best Friend pulled the first regularly scheduled steam passenger train in America, on Christmas Day 1830, on the South Carolina Canal and Railroad Co., Norfolk Southern's earliest predecessor.


The Best Friend replica is scheduled for display on Wall Street on Dec. 12, when Norfolk Southern representatives will ring the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange in observance of the 175th anniversary.


Norfolk Southern Corporation is one of the nation's premier transportation companies. Its Norfolk Southern Railway subsidiary operates approximately 21,300 route miles in 22 states, the District of Columbia and Ontario, Canada, serving every major container port in the eastern United States and providing superior connections to western rail carriers. Norfolk Southern operates the most extensive intermodal network in the East and is North America's largest rail carrier of automotive parts and finished vehicles.


SOURCE Norfolk Southern Corporation
P

[trolleyboy]

Evening Leon. i'll just grab a tea and some pretzels as it appears that i may have to be our chef's designated chapperone to the zepplin shed. When your drunk that first step up can be murder!

Tom Glad that you enjoyed the latest CNR piece figured that you would seeing as it was mostley a passenger piece. We have to keep up the info with Al out for a couple of daze.

I will indeed endevour to drop those pictures on you next weekend, I'm not going in next sat 10th for a night shift as I am having Mom and Dad up for Christmas dinner as they are flying to my sisters in Colorado for xmas this year.


Pete Thanks for the url for Delson,much easier to get a feel for the place by looking in on their website than by myself of someone else attempting to describe it. Thanks for the Brit broad guage info ( Thank's Nick as well ) Canada had a few attepts at a broader guage the Great western went with 5'3" until they were absorbed by the GT in the 1890's. The only lasting wider than here now is the TTC in toronto woth their slightly larger than normal 4' 10 7/8th". Our museum uses this guage as well. other than that we are mostly standard. Newfoundlands rail system ran on 3' guage when it existed and off Coarse the White Pass and Yukon railway is still narrow guage as well.


Nick Indeed sad to here that the last of the cats are gone ( gowing ) The tee cars were in very poor shape when I caught a glimpse of them two summer's ago. ( abandoned behind the ONR shops ) I didn't bother shooting them as they were that poor looking,best to remember them as they were. [sigh]Also that part of North Bay is well, industrial, your quip about the wino's would not be far rom the truth. [:O]


P Thanks for reposting the NS piece here. As i mentioned in response on my thread, it's nice to see another class one starting a museum. [tup] Good PR if nothing else.

Also for those interested the anual ARM ( Assotiation of Railroad Museum's ) Is iat the Rockhill trolley museum in Pennsylvania this year. If the weather's not to bad heather and I may attend with our museum's contingent. Been quite a while since we have been there. Last years meeting was in Baltimore at the Baltimore Streetcar Museum and the B&O museum since both were members. Nice to have them fairly local the last couple of years ( ie driveable ).


Ted One more get well soon to the chorus of get wells for you sir as well. Of note I have asked that the Mentor bakery increase our allotment of prune danishes as Mike has begun to consume them as well. We need everyone happy and healthy [:-^][swg]


Rob

[red p]

Trollyboy
- I thought you would like this. I saw this on another message board so I copied it.
Strange thing is I live just down the street from where this happened.

Ft. Wayne & Northern Indiana Traction Co. (period ending June 30, 1911),
and it says that there were 41 killed at Kingsland.
There were 42 passengers and two crew in the northbound car. There were two crew and no passengers in the southbound car.

I have a Bluffton News-Banner newspaper article that was published many years later that lists 39 people by name who died immediately, or who died in hospitals within a few days of the wreck. However, it also says, without any evidence, that the wreck caused the death many months later of motorman Benjamin Corkwell, and that the wreck caused the death of passenger Fred Parkhurst more than a year later.

Hmmmm……..

Corkwell was motorman of the southbound car, #303, and he was presumably in the wrong for failing to pull into a siding and wait for the northbound car to pass. He apparently died in a state (mental?) hospital some months after the wreck. Although a grand jury was convened to investigate the wreck, there were never any formal charges filed against any party. That may have been because of Corkwell’s mental condition. But did he die as a result of complications from the wreck?

Fred Parkhurst’s back was broken in the wreck and he was wheelchair bound for the rest of his life. He died a little more than a year after the wreck. But is it certain that he died as a result of complications from the wreck?

So, 39 deaths can be attributed to the wreck. Two others may have resulted from the wreck, but we don’t know that for certain. Does anyone have better information on these two?

Edith Wiley Burgan of Bluffton was the sole survivor from among the 42 passengers. She had a broken leg. Her husband was killed.

All four crewmen lived. The fact that Charles Van Dine, motorman of the northbound car, #233, lived is remarkable. He was at the controls of #233 when the cars collided, and was apparently thrown out the baggage door.
P

[trolleyboy]

Hello again folks another tea please Leon. Nick is safely away in the capable arms of Hilda and Helga the teutonic stewardesses/cooks/armwrestlers. He should be right as rain when he lands back in wales. [:O]

Sorry Tom when the cats away as they say. This is just another quick bit for the barn as it were.


Classic CNR Steam #8 Map or CNR Branchlines in South/South Western
Circa 1954



This map is of coarse from Ian Wilson's book as well. Reproduced to give you guys an idea of where the trains were running I was describing to you. Definatly click to enlarge.





Have a good night fellows.

Rob


P Thanks for the article. I haven't any further info in it, but is it possible to scan or set up a url link to it. Could be interesting reading. Without researching the cars i'm guessing that both were steel, if they weer wood they likley would have telescoped into each other and likley alot more people would have been lost. Goes to show that doubble tracking for interurbans or busy street lines is essential.

[West Coast S]

Evening Tom and the gang..round of a proper after diner cocktail..


Talk about expensive, The Central Pacific paid a total of 16 million dollars in 1867 for thirty seven miles of poorly designed snowsheds. After the first severe winter the A peak designed structures were simply pushed off the side of the mountain due to snowpack between the structure and the adjacant hillside, exerting enough pressure to send them into the abyss...after much expermentation, Central Pacific adopted a flat roof design, supported by stout timbers, they withstood the pack and pressures but were susceptable to fire nine out months out of the year.

This lead to the practice of placing fire trains, made up of water cars and specially equiped locomotives with fire pumps and trained personal at Emigrent Gap and Nordon. At one time four complete trains were maintained, deployed along the line at various locations during the dry season, despite attention to detail in the early years, The company town of Nordon and its plant (station, telegraph,CTC and winter underground command post bunker, section crew housing) along with similar facalities at Summit along with a good percentage of the surviving wooden sheds were destroyed by fire in 1960/61, no fire trains were available to heed the call for help, as such means had been retired in 1955. SP rebuilt the most crucial ones of reinforced concret were slides were an historical issue and to protect CTC controled crossover switches.

The most unusual aspect of SP snowshead developement was attributed to complaints from passengers that the sheds spoiled one of the west most secnic vistas.
To counter the complaints, SP devised the telescoping shed, were sections could be slid into a ajoining shed on steel rails in the warmer seasons , thus preserving the view. Despite the maintaince headaches they were usefull as firebreaks and complete loss of the wooden sheds due to being able to contain small fires by seperation proved the wisdom of the design on numerous occasions.

Today, the covered turnatable at Nordon remains a silent mute to the days when it serviced cab forwards and other power assigned to helper service, long deactivited and forgotten and too expensive and difficuilt to remove , perhaps it should serve as a fitting reminder as an example to a era of railroading never to return and of the great engineering of the CP/SP in those glorious years.

Dave

[siberianmo]

TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

Good Morning!


Daily Wisdom:

A chip on the shoulder is a sure sign of a blockhead.


Info for the Day:

(1) CONTEST – CONTEST – CONTEST

It’s time again to play the guessing game! What date (time optional) will ”Our” Place reach the next plateau – page 200 [?]

PRIZE [?] Free food ‘n drink for any of the following days: Thursday (Fish ‘n Chips Nite) – Friday (Pizza and Steak ‘ Fries Nite) – Saturday (Steak, etc.)

BONUS question: WHO will be the one to “turn the page” [?]

PRIZE [?] Reservations for two in the Penthouse Suite for any weekend night of your choice!

RULES: No ties gentlemen. The FIRST one who Posts a guess that hits the mark, wins! It’s that simple.

Participants . . . . . . Date chosen . . . . . . . . (Bonus) Who will put us over the top [?]

pwolfe Pete . . . . . . . Dec 20th . . . . . . . . . . . . . .siberianmo Tom
trolleyboy Rob . . . . . Dec 18th (12:05 PM) . . . . . siberianmo Tom
coalminer3 CM3 . . . Dec 18th . . . . . . . . . . . . . . siberianmo Tom

CONTEST CLOSES THIS FRIDAY the 9th

(2) MARK YOUR CALENDAR!

Monday, December 12th represents the 8th Month Anniversary of ”Our” Place! An appropriate way to celebrate our “founding day” is to Post information relating to travel by rail during the Christmas holiday season!

With ample time to prepare, I would expect we will all find something suitable for this event. An advertisement, an article, a personal account – anything at all that will bring to light a trip or two by rail during the Christmas season.

That’s it! Nothing more to do. No “party” per se – it’s not a birthday celebration – just an opportunity for us all to recognize this achievement we’ve all contributed to. [tup]


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 05:49:57 (182) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 07:06:42 (182) Monday’s Index

(3) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 09:50:28 (182)

(4) wanswheel Mike Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 11:01:02 (182) Inclusive Post, etc.

(5) ftwNSengineer Mike Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 11:18:45 (182)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 11:39:58 (182) NOSTALGIA #37 – Eagle Dome Coaches

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 13:27:25 (182)

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 15:42:57 (182) Inclusive Post, etc.

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 17:09:12 (183) Classic CNR Steam #17

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 19:56:48 (183) Acknowledgments, etc.

(11) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 20:36:07 (183) Inclusive Post, etc.

(12) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 21:22:45 (183) Norfolk Southern, etc.

(13) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 22:59:43 (183) Ft. Wayne & No. Indiana Traction Co.

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 23:05:07 (183) Classic CNR Steam map 1954

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All: coffee, please, a round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. Nice and cold this a.m. with ice and snow - at least the "frog" from yesterday blew out. Needless to say, the K9 Korps did not want to be out too long this a.m.

Note to Our 'steamed proprietor. I got all of your e-mails and responded to them. I'm not sure what's up with the e-mail as your's seems to be the only one that's not getting through.

Ian Wilson's books are sort of "well kept" secrets, but he certainly has done some wonderful material over the years. Thanks for sharing. Also appreciated the information on SP snow sheds, interurbans, etc.

The folks at the bar now have me working on several projects.

1. City of Memphis train
2. 1927 floods
3. Holiday materials for December 12

All of the NS (N&W) material sent me to the stack of stuff. Here are some 1950-era ads for N&W coal service as well as material from a couple of other roads that "joined the fold" a few years later.

Conveniently Located - N&W Coal Bureaus

To Help Solve Your Fuel Problems...

The Norfolk and Western Railway maitains coal bureaus in Boston, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Roanoke, St. Louis, and winston-salem

These bureaus are staffed by fuel engineers readily available to give expert advice on the selection, transportation and utilization of the all-purpose coals mined along the Norfolk and Western.

Any of them will be glad to give this service to you without charge, and help solve your fuel problems. Drop a line or telephone the nearest office.

Norfolk and Western Railway - Carriers of Fuel Satisfaction

How about this one?

The Virginian Railway Co.

Serving the Pocahontas and New River coal fields of southern West Virginia. Fast thropugh trains hauling coal direct from mine to Norfolk, VA. for movement beyoned to all foreign countries, and all Atlantic Coast ports of the United States.

Be Sure - Ship Virginian NOTE: This one had a photo of a VGN 2-6-6-6 with a monstrous coal train.

And another

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[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Gents!

So, let me get this straight – I turn the bar over to Leon the Night Man and the crowd begins to arrive! [banghead] [%-)]

A repeat from yesterday: An Email has been sent to all members of our Order of the Stools - Permanent and Reserved. Please acknowledge, and of course let me know if you haven't received it.

Let me get to some acknowledgments before this mornin’ slips into afternoon:

nickinwestwales Nick
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 20:36:07

Another fine pick-us-up from Nick Sorry, Mate – but Leon the Night Man was behind the bar when you Posted. Surely would’ve enjoyed that before dinner drink (or three) with you. Actually, we don’t serve meals ‘round here on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday! So it was either a carry-in or one of our splendid sandwiches, eh [?] [swg]

I heard a couple of guys talkin’ about you and your “port list.” Now I understand ….

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if in reality we could somehow get this group of ours together for a RR excursion [?] I’m not talking about coach travel – a bar car and of course a dome would do us well. That sounds an awful lot like VIA Rail to me. Reality kicks in on things like this in no time at all – but it still is fun to think about. So, we’ll “settle” for our Rendezvous in Toronto this May. A good time it will be …. [tup]

ftwNSengineer P
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 21:22:45 and 22:59:43

After soaking my tweeter in the brine from the bottom of one of our beer barrels (some refer to that as Bock beer) whatever the substance “melted” away, and my tweeter has been restored to full use. A word to the wise:

QUOTE: Mess with my tweeter and you’ll be messed with by Vito the Hit!

[:(!]

Now, we have something special just for you – a STOOL for you to perch upon. It is located down at the far end of the bar – right near the pickled pig’s feet and hard boiled eggs jars. Just for YOU! It is neither a “reserved” nor a “permanent” stool, however, it is a one-of-a-kind, like that former RR you think so highly of! [swg]

Sorry to have to break the news to ya, but I wasn’t behind the bar when you Posted – that huge fellow with the large hands and shined “Jump Boots,” was Leon the Night Man. He likes to be greeted, too! [swg]

That’s really a nice piece of work regarding the Norfolk Southern and as always, full of info that I didn’t know. One of the real benefits of this thread is what one can learn – only if one takes the time to READ! [yeah] Thanx! [tup][tup]

Also appreciated viewing your 2nd submission – Good piece of info, that I think more than one of us will enjoy. [tup]

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 05 Dec 2005, 22:30:49 and 23:05:07

Nice to see that someone reads before Posting! Leon the Night Man was indeed behind the bar! Good show. [tup]

I think you may wi***o edit that 2nd installment of yours. The “number” isn’t correct and the map doesn’t enlarge. In your haste to “rattle my chain,” methinks you screwed up, Mate! [swg]

We’re looking forward to your efforts this Sunday Photo Posting Day! [tup]

West Coast S Dave
Posted: 06 Dec 2005, 01:51:46

What, no acknowledgment of our “contest” and the upcoming “Dec 12th anniversary/Christmas holiday Posting event [?] And we made you a Permanent Stool Member [?] <geesh> However, the round IS appreciated! [swg] Your money we will gladly take, as the “Pennsylvania Dutch” might say! (Up the street the soldiers are marching down ….) [swg]

Hope we get to see you a bit more ‘round here and back into a time slot for dependability. There was a time when those afternoon Posts really perked up this place. I know – new job, new responsibilities, etc. Whatever the time, your input is always anticipated and appreciated!

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 06 Dec 2005, 08:29:27

Thanx for the feedback! Don’t wi***o be a pain in the patoot about these things. Just kept getting “rejected” with the Emails – looks like the Gremlins have departed! [swg]

Good continuing “stuff” in your Posts and makes for interesting reading.

The round and quarters, as always, are appreciated. Boris Ring the bell and it’ll be OJ all around this fine day!

We too have some “white stuff” and the walk this early AM was splendid. First measurable snow for us – only about ½ inch, but with the temps in the teens, it stuck to the streets and sidewalks. [i[Juneau[/i] loved it and I got to break out my winter boots! [yeah] Love this time of year … [tup]


If I’ve missed anyone or a direct question – ask
Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]



REMINDERS, especially for those who Post only once per day or on occasion:

(1) Check to see if you are getting the MOST CURRENT info before Posting.
(2) Check to see if anyone has Posted during the time yours was being prepared.
(3) Stick around a few minutes after Posting, just to ensure that someone may want to “talk” to you or has Posted.
(4) It’s a long wait until your next visit and perhaps by then some pertinent info directed your way will be missed.

[red p]

Tom, Fill up my thermos and get me a chiken sandwich to go, have to go to work *** it.
Im glad you liked one of the photos anyway. Like it or not the PC is a part of railroad history, it also the one I grew up with as a kid.
They are also the ones that fostered my love of trains.[:D]
P

[siberianmo]

Hey P

Thermos is filled and your sandwich is packed and ready to go. Safe trip! [tup]

Touchy, touchy about that "stolen" RR, eh [?] [swg] Well, we've discussed it on previous pages - some people like "chicken," others prefer "roast beef." Whateeeeeeeeeever! [swg]

By the by, give a thought or two to those who didn't make it home from Pearl Harbor on that Dec 7th, 1941 attack on our fleet.

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #38

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the New York Central (NYC) in a 1948 advertisement from my private collection:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . World Premiere! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
the New 20th Century Limited

. . . . . . . . . . First of New York Central’s new Dreamliner Fleet . . . . . . . . . .

NEW Lookout Lounge – Modern setting for the club-like availability that’s long been a Century tradition.

New – from its streamlined Diesel to its raised “Lookout Lounge” . . .

New King-Size Diner – So spacious it needs a separate kitchen car! Smart designing gives each table privacy plus a perfect outlook. There’s a festive feel about the Century’s dinner lounge and a sense of being served with distinction.

New 1948 Century Rooms – Whether you travel in a roomette, a bedroom or with a party in a suite, you can work, or relax in air-conditioned privacy by day – then sleep the miles away by night on Central’s smooth Water Level Route.

. . . . . NEW NEW YORK CENTRAL . . . . .

. . . . . BETWEEN THE HEART OF CHICAGO AND THE HEART OF NEW YORK . . . . .
Vacation overnight aboard the new Century. Arrive refreshed – with no business time lost.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon Barkeep and all, coffee, please, round for the house and $for the jukebox. Three selections will be "On the New York, New Haven and Hartford," in honor of the NYC post above the old-time tear jerker, "In the Baggage Coach Ahead," and for Nick, "Head for the Roundhouse Nelly, the Engineer Can't Corner You There."

Here's some information on the 1927 New England flood which was mentioned the other day.

NOAA says, (not the guy with the boatload of animals, Boris)

"...a tropical storm swept northward across western New England on Non. 3-4, 1927. As its warm, humid air rose over the mountains and hills, torrential rains fell, causing severe flooding over extensive areas in virtually all of northern New England and the upper Hudson basin in New York. In all, 85 people were lost....all lives lost occurred in Vermont with the exception of a death in Rhode Island. Of the Vermont fatalities, 55 were in the Winooski Valley where the storm's heaviest rains fell during the night....Total propertty dmage was conservatively estimated ay $40 million (960 million 1997 dollars), of which about 28 million (672 million in 1997 dollars) occurred in Vermont."

According to a USGS report I found, railroad damage (1927 $) was a little over 7 million. Lines affected included the BAR, B&A, B&M, CP, CV, D&H, MEC, NYNH&H, RUT, and StJ and LC.

Will try and have some more tomorrow.

Have a good night.

work safe

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and everyone, is it possible to get an Omaha steak sandwich here?
Okay I'll settle for cold cuts. Roast beef on a poppy seed roll, a little mayo.
Tom that's about the entire story on follow the beef. "Deep Throttle" has no idea where Nick is, nor what rug-smuggle refers to, and Deep Throttle is disinclined to scour 100 pages to find out. Deep Throttle is just a throwaway play on Deep Throat and his advice to "Follow the money." Like I need to explain it, you guys ain't dumb. But as it happens, I did stop in Omaha once. Too burnt to look it up, but I'm pretty sure the eastbound California Zephyr took me there in 1960. My Dad and I went to the UP headquarters for some reason, I guess to kill time until the train to Des Moines. There was a museum in the building with artifacts from the 19th century, such as a telegraph receiver/transmitter (or whatever nomenclature) similar to the one pictured at Pete's link to the Montreal museum. Cool town, Omaha, although hotter than blazes in August, and very low horse-power trolley motors http://www.omaha.lib.ne.us/galleries/postcards/post280_001.jpg
CM3 remember when a nickel bought something, like a Hershey bar? No wonder the sound of the Nickel Plate still has a great ring to it. In its day the station in Cleveland was the tallest building in the U.S. west of the Hudson River. Not sure at all about this, but I think the "Blue Bird" was their train. There seems to have been a Wabash Blue Bird as well.
P, kinda wish you hadn't mentioned Mike Tower because I had to investigate. One link lead to another and I checked out the beautiful Pennsy station, much classier than the NYC. I saw neither but I think I passed through Ft. Wayne on the eastbound Capitol Limited in 1977. Too bad Amtrak pulled out in 1990.
http://www.trainweb.org/fwarailfan/contributor/kh-mikeboard1.jpg
Dave very interesting about the snow and the fires in the mountains. Here's a pic of Emigrant Gap area, the train's descending Donner Pass at tunnel 35 in June 1999: http://www.nrhs.com/spot/auto/up-donner.jpg
Rob your map is almost as hard to read as your typing. Luckily there is a Rand-McNally. Thanks I might have gone to my grave without suspecting the existence of Kincardine.
Re: 1927 The Central Vermont rebuilding cost over $3 million. The company was forced into receivership and lost its autonomy as a branch of Canadian National.

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all

A pint of Bathams and another rum please.

P Good news on the new Museum. The National Railway museum of York England have opened an extra museum at Shildon adjacent to the 1825 Stockton & Darlington Railway . In the short time it has been open the number of visitors has exceeded expectations. I hope for the same suceess for the N.S. one [tup].

DAVE Interesting post on on the snowsheds and the covered turntable were there many of those around. At least the one in Norden is still there I imagine that that there is very few covered tuntables left[?].

CM3 Thanks for the Ads on the coal trafficand the New England floods[tup]

ROB Glad you liked the url I had been trying for ages to get some info on the web about Delson Museum and struck lucky yesterday. The main railways in Ireland run on a guage of 5ft-3ins.

NICK Talking of eagles do you recall the Eagle comic(Dan Dare etc) which also used to have cut-away drawings of locos, ships and stuff. By the way what happened to the Eagle of the Ninth[?].

WANSWHEEL MIKE Do you know if the trackbed by the loco in the Emigrant Gap photo is for new track or as a track been removed[?]

TOM thanks for the N.Y.C Nostalgia a great train for sure.
I have managed to send the e-mail for you to myself I will get it to you [%-)] PETE.

[nickinwestwales]

Good evening gentlemen all and apologies for last nights drunken waffle-ROB,many thanks for your gracious efforts-H&H eh-that explains the black eye,multiple abrasions and small but eye-catching tattoo I seem to have aquired..................
Right [4:-)]Leon-or is that TOM in jump boots-must do something about the lights in here-A bottle of Prague`s finest please,one for yourself and set up the boys.
O.K-straight to the meat of the matter-posts!
WOLFMANPETE-Howdy-Bathams and a large Woods`s 100 coming right up [^]-sorry I missed you last night,slightly twisted by the time I arrived & downhill from there,Mauretania-my guess for the hooter would be Rugby loco works,but only `cuase I know you are from that part of the world.--The timber panelling from the walls of the ships library and the grand piano from one of the cocktail lounges ended up in the `Mauretania` Brasserie in Park Street,Bristol-I worked as a chef there for a while,believe the whole building gutted by fire since (no connection..) Enniscorthy is on the Dublin-Rosslare line,the next station from Wexford Town if memory serves. Missed the steam tours but the line is still `set up` to handle them-the turntable at Rosslare Europort was still in place and showing bright rail when I saw it 2 years ago-Will put up a couple of pix of Wexford Tn next sun.
Now- the Eagle of the 9th [tup][^][tup]-Its something like 35 years since I read this & have had a fascination with Iron Age & Romano-British history ever since,sadly,I can`t remember anything about Ms Sutcliffe`s masterpiece,although a ghost of memory suggests a pay convoy attacked en-route to Hadrians Wall and the pay chests and Standard stolen by tribesmen.
The loot is then recovered,with much derring-do and heroic deeds all round.
In fact,the Ninth Hispania had a thin time of it over here-At the time of the Boudiccan Rebellion they were one of 4 legions in the country and the only one not in the far west ( the 2nd were down around these parts being s**tcanned by the Silures & Atrebates whilst the other 2 were up in Ynys Mon (Anglesey) doing some heavy duty ethnic cleansing on the Druids )
When Boudicca and the Icenii razed Colchester to the ground and marched on London,half of the 9th were dispatched to stop them and were slaughtered to a man.
Sadly, the 2 legion in N.Wales managed to march back fast enough to not only engage the rebel army,but to do so on a ground of their own choosing-you can guess the outcome
Well [4:-)]TOM-is there an award for the most [#offtopic] monologue,`cause I think that was most likely it..........better try another bottle please,ta.
RED P-good news on the museum-I would imagine that if a company of that size gets in with a project like that,the results should be pretty impressive.
interesting stuff on the crash-can you imagine a wreck like that happening now and there being no official investigation,have a safe trip [tup]
CM3-Hi there,nice call on the tunes[^]-If you are still having trouble sending E-Mail to TOM,send it to me and I`ll forward it ( address should be on Toms `circular` E-Mails)-nice stuff on the `black diamond` haulers- work safe yourself now
MIKE-Never heard of Kincardine,named after the town in the ancient Kingdom of Fife-and you a MacDonald -for shame [swg]. I understand that my In-laws ( McConnell ) are a branch of Clan MacDonald ( my lot are Campbells,which doesn`t bode well)
Right I`m wandering again-[4:-)]TOM-ring that bell and set `em up again-I`m going to feed the juke and then sit back for a bit,later,nick [C=:-)]