"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Just let me add a good nite to all as an addendum to Nick's most welcome Post. Can't top that one ... always Inclusive and always most entertaining! Can't imagine bein' at the keyboard at 3:17 AM for any other reason than insomnia! [swg]

Very happy to learn that May is lookin' good for the First Annual Rendezvous in Toronto Hopefully, we'll add a couple of more before the event takes place ... [tup]

Don't give up on the "game," Mate! Pehaps we should make a game out of trying to figure it out! [;)]

Hey! I saw jdonald Don peeking in at us - but no Post! Whazzup [?] Haven't seen ya 'round here for a bit ...... [tdn]

Okay, P, you've vented, now as the Eagles song title says, Get Over it! (press H14 on [i]Herr Wurltizer![/i)

Leon the Night Man has the bar! Boris Ring the bell and give 'em all a nightcap on me ......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a triple CR and a round for the house. Todays meeting was conducted by the Judges, District Attorney, and Public Defenders. After listening to this bunch maybe their is some hope for our high crime problem after all.

Tom never thought about it but I will certainly miss di di di da da da di di di guess progress eventually buries the past.

Tomorrow I we\ill find a short streamliner posting as it will be a twelve hour day at the office.

TTFN AL

[trolleyboy]

Evening Leon I'll grab a CR and a broom and help put everything from whence it came.

Tom Saw your post but I was outta time and had to run.Enjoyed it once I could read it however, I'm not sure that some of the language in it could be used in modern times with out causing some alarm. Tha t whole " Land of A Million Thrills.. Sped , Comfort , and Pleasure " Thing could be considered not PG-13 nowadays. You don't want to get us [censored] do you [?] Good stuff anyway.


We have three old fichbowels in brantford as emergency power. If the low floors and GMC Classics crap out they will bring them out of the bus barn.

I found the models a atd pricey $38 dollars on sale her so I've avoided them at the moment. I reallt don't like busses anyway.

Ted No problem with the disks really it's more just a lack of time to sit down and do it.( read realitivley lazy Rob ) Rest assured I will get them up and running.Hope you are all right or am I misreading the hit and run bit. You shouldn't be eating at MacDonalds anyway ( you thought spam was a bit off [xx(] [swg] ) Talk about blowing chunks as Tom would say.


Mike I've scanned that article really good read btw. Post the url i think as Tom sadi that the boyz will appreciate it [tup] Nice to know that trains sparked your existance in a way. You were starcrossed to love trains my friend [tup] I know a bit far out but hey it's late.

Nick Glad to know that you may be amongst us in May. I'll be sure to keep you away from the CR and or open flames [:O][swg]


Al thanks for the answer on the zepher question. I figured that they would be a pain to change out. Coarse Doug would know they have one at his museum. BTW Doug hows the repair comming on it ?

Dave Thanks for letting us off the hook with the answer .The Montreal transit authoriteies ran some odd power for commuter trains over the years as well. For a while they had a couple of old H16-44's leased from CP as well as CP's last two operational RS10's. The Rs's at least were dual mode loco's with a steam gen set. CP's two serviving E8's also toiled in the back and forth of commuter service in Montreal for a while as well ( talk about overkill ) !


Rob

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

It’s the 12th month! On the 12th day of this new month, ”Our” Place will be 8 months into existence! [wow]

One more day to go and this work week will end, for most. Time to grab one of those steaming mugs of freshly brewed coffee, a <light> breakfast, and of course The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case awaits! [swg]

You can never trust a man who can look a pretty woman in the eye.


Info for the Day:

(1) Today is Fish ‘n Chips Nite and maybe something from Nick’s Picks!
(2) Friday is Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
(3) Saturday is ENCORE! Day
(4) Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and yes, we are CLOSED!

SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 02:42:37 (178) Streamliner #18 – Advance Denver Zephyrs

(2) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 05:27:39 (178) Game, etc.

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 05:30:18 (178) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(4) barndad Doug Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 06:04:25 (178) Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part I

(5) barndad Doug Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 06:06:26 (178) Recollections of a Locomotive Fireman, Part II

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 08:06:31 (178) Acknowledgments, etc.

(7) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 08:34:06 (178) NYC Christmas Ad, etc.

(8) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 08:58:18 (178)

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:03:25 (178) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:03:39 (178) reply to coalminer3 & nickinwestwales

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:04:57 (178) NOSTALGIA #34 – Ad – Burlington (1949)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:09: (178) reply to: trolleyboy

(13) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 12:53:02 (178)

(14) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 15:03:11 (178) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 15:13:59 (178) One more time!

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 15:25:21 (179) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 15:58:12 (179)

(18) wanswheel Mike Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 16:30:47 (179) Inclusive Post, etc.

(19) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 16:59:42 (179)

(20) West Coast S Dave Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 17:39:04 (179)

(21) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 18:16:10 (179) Inclusive Post, etc.

(22) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 19:02:59 (179) Acknowledgments, etc.

(23) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 19:52:24 (179)

(24) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 21:22:53 (179) Inclusive Post, etc.

(25) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 21:40:36 (179) reply to nickinwestwales, etc.

(26) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 21:41:52 (179) 4th Post!

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[passengerfan]

Good morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a coffee and diet pastry from the Mentor Bakery.

PASSENGERFAN ALS STREAMLINER CORNER # 19

Something different for toadys post is not a streamlined train but a streamlined engine.

The engine was named COMMODORE VANDERBILT and it was NYC J-1e 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotive 5344 streamlined to head the heavyweight Twentieth Century Limited between Toledo and Chicago westbound each morning and westbound each afternoon. This was a distance of 223.6 miles. The engine entered service at the head of the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED on February 19, 1935. The streamlining was of the upside down bathtub design that was popular with many roads. The NYC streamlined the 5344 and two Pacifics with this type streamlining and that was the only three NYC units so shroudded. The 5344 would later receive a Raymond Loewy shroud becoming the only NYC steam locomotive to wesr two types of streamlining.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ All!

What a beautiful mornin’ here in mid-continent USA with light snow fallin’ – a brisk breeze and all the roofs of the homes covered in white. It’s only a dusting, but as Juneau and I made the 6:30 AM one mile trek, it was an especially pleasant sight! Especially so with the MMTB homes all lit up with Christmas lights.

MMTB [?] you ask – More Money Than Brains! That refers only to those who leave the lights on 24/7 ….. a waste of resources fer sure, fer sure, but commonplace ‘round these parts. Hmmmmmm, maybe I should start sellin’ timers, and of course charge a “modest fee” to set them up! [swg]

My guess is that we are NOT going to have much of a Sunday Photo Posting Day! So, there will be a modification to the format – submissions of NOSTALGIA and Fallen Flags are encouraged. [tup] As always, we want to continue limiting the narratives to Monday thru Saturday ……

passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Nov 2005, 21:41:52 and 01 Dec 2005, 06:59:40

A long day for you. Amazing how some days one requires at least 34 hours squeezed into 24.

Nice “alteration” to the Streamliner series!

For all: Check out this URL – click on the pictures - http://www.steamlocomotive.com/streamlined/scrapped/

By the by, are you an old “key pounder” too [?] As I mentioned, my first 14 years was as a radio operator and the dit dit dit dah dah dah dit dit dit could surely snap one to immediate attention, especially while on the mid or 4-to-8 watches in early AM. Somewhere ‘round this house is my old “speed key,” I’ll have to dig it out and see if I can still “swing.” Been a long, long time …… We used to have “split phones,” with 500 Kcs (now Mhz) in one ear, another frequency in the other, and at least two speakers set up for yet others. On our larger ships we had 2 man watches ‘round the clock, whereas on smaller ones only one operator. While aboard a buoy tender in Kodiak, Alaska we would operate on a “schedule” in that we sometimes didn’t have enough guys to man the watch 24/7. Was a good profession back then – we were also technicians for the most part, and tried not to call upon the ET’s unless and until things got really complex. I go back to vacuum tubes and the like. Once solid-state circuitry came in, well, I became a candidate for the tar pits. [swg] One huge reason why I opted to become a “line officer,” that and of course the motivation to do better for my family.

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 00:52:26

[wow] You do have a vivid imagination, dontcha [?] [swg] If you found that ad a bit on over the top, I’ll have to hunt some others down that will shock ya, fer sure, fer sure! [:O]

Those GMC “Fishbowls” I referred to are made by Busch and not as high priced as the others in the Walthers catalog. I find that in order to make my city scene realistic, especially in light of a Bus Depot right next door to Union Station, a couple of transit buses fit the bill. Anyway, I had hoped to find modern North American transit buses – but alas, they ain’t available. Lots of Euro stuff, but that’s not at all what I want. I’ve got a couple of rather “vintage” buses at the Depot right now and they will be “retired” to my display case.

I did find some North American “tour” buses when I was in the construction phase of the Can-Am and they fit quite well with a couple of my scenes. Have one up in the Mountain Village – at the diner – and two in the city. Makes it look “real” and busy.

For all: I see RailImages is “down” again …. So if you guys are wondering why some pictures aren’t showing up, that’s why. I use two methods – RailImages – and- PhotoBucket. If anyone needs elaboration on what I’m talking about – send me an Email.

Rob you’re just going to have to put in some “over time” to get that cross-Canada rail trip fund built up to more realistic levels! [swg] Ten bucks! Ha – that’ll just about get you a couple of beers, with tips of course. <grin>

We really haven’t “locked in” on anything yet. Still looking at Alaska and a trip up to Fairbanks from Anchorage. That’s our first choice. Cruise ships are out for us, we’d prefer to fly directly to the “jumping off” spot ….. Second choice is Jasper to Prince Ruppert and back. Problem, flying into Jasper; closest international airports are Edmonton and Calgary. Getting to either one from where we live is a veritable hodge-podge of changing planes, etc. Ahhhhhh, it’s fun to plan these things – doesn’t cost a dime! [swg]

I’ll have the bar all day, but will restrict my Postings to noonish, late afternoon and this evening – unless of course we have a “rush” at the bar.


Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning: Coffee, please; round for the house, and more $ for the jukebox.

The coffee is most welcome today as it is cold and a heavy frost. It makes for a nice drive to work as all the trees and underbrush are coated with frost and the sun glints off of them. Who needs DVDs when you have this sort of show to enjoy.

Hot !@#$ - NYC material! It doesn't take much to get me started!

"Bathtub" is surely the right word for these engines. IIRC, the 4-6-2 bathtubs operated on the Mercury while 5344 operated on the "Century."

NYC 5344 appeared in many "styles" of we can call them that. IIRC, she ran "plain" after the second set of shrouding was removed. 5344 was the last of the Jie-class Hudsons, and the story is that it got the shroud because it happened to be in the shops for overhaul when the decision was made to do the streamline project. The design was developed by Carl Kantola, an industrial designer from Cleveland, OH. An interesting story abt 5344 is that she was brought to New York in December, 1934 to be displayed at Grand Central, but was too big to fit into the Park Avenue Tunnel. According to Zimmermann's book 20th Century, Kantola, "...suggested filling the boiler completely with water - which worked. The extra weight compressed the srpings just enough to let the locomotive slip in."

Now, a question - why hasn't AWK been seen since Thanksgiving? Enquiring minds want to know - I hope he didn't wind up as dinner somewhere....or maybe it was something like the Three Stooges movie with the parrot inside the turkey.

To our "steamed owner. Have you given any thought to setting a day aside for postings of Christmas/ Holiday train travel memories?

work safe

[red p]

Morning all , coffee please.
As far as sunday goes I already have my picture picked out [:D]
P

[siberianmo]

Okay, that does it! Tweeeeeeeeeeeets! all around

We need a reminder - Greet the bartender - that's me (or whoever is behind the bar). A good morning all doesn't get it! [tdn] <frown>

Also, ordering just our free coffee isn't keeping us in business - perhaps at five bucks a mug, hmmmmmmm! [swg]

C'mon guys - play along with this - it's what the bar 'n grill is all about - Classic Trains and some fun!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good show! The posts are still coming in "hot and heavy." Just a quick cuppa Joe and a toasted Bagel this a.m., please Tom. You know, the mention of the "Fish Bowls" (G.M.C. city buses) was akin to being reminded of my Nephew's and Nice's ages. WOW, does that ever "date" me and my model Pike. The truth is, the afore mentioned bus is too new for my "cut-off" date of 1952. I'm still stuck in the "flat bottom" era (sounds appropriate) buses which were Plaster of Paris castings that needed lots of filing and cleaning up.[:O] The giant "take over" of City Lines was in progress, so I have 2 paint liveries (bus) from that era. Like Rob, I'm no fan for "rubber baby buggy bumpers," still, the transition from rail to bus did happen and needs to be recognized ("more is the pity").

The NYC shrouded steam that Al mentioned brought back a memory of Lionel O gauge models of some of them. Personally, the only streamlining of steam that I appeciated were on the Pennsy and Frisco rosters.[^] Part of the excitement of steam for me was the exsoskeleton of pumps, air resovoirs, feed water heaters, steam and sand domes, et al. Those old "heavy browed" locos hauling endless consists of freight cars in a sub zero wintery setting speaks volumes about the essence of U.S. r.r.ing.[2c] The articulated Burlington Zephers and U.P. 10,000 get about the same reception as the steam shrouded in sheet metal. They were (for me) a curiosity more than an important alternative to the record setting speed of the early steam "varnish." [soapbox]

Yes P, although your approach to "the real thing" is certainly more "hands on" than anything I have experienced, your assessment of "present day r.r.ing" is certainly "on target," in my humble opinion. As Tom has remided us, "change" in so rapid a time frame, is something we must live with. In fact, there has been so much "change" that I'm scarcely aware of all the new proceedures that have taken effect since the 1960's. And frankly, I'm not too sure I will be eager to learn them. "Can't teach an old dog new tricks," I guess.

Nick, no problem with the dated e-mail and your offer of helpful advise is appreciated.[tup] Mostly, its relaying track and altering some "no brainer" thoughts I had earlier on gradients, etc. Then and only "then," can I start thinking "elevated." Those subway cars that Tom purchased are so darned good looking (silver roofs), it may be the way to go (if possible). Remebering the subways that were elevated in many areas, it is a plausible choice. We'll see.

Dave, I think I'll take you up on the offer of a "free lunch." Tom, if Boris is no where near the corned beef, I would like one on toasted rye with plenty of horseradish mustard.[^] There have been several questions left unanswered from my previous posts but as a retired trombonist, I can let things slide.[:-^] Hopefully, everyone will take the holiday "crush" in their own stride and survive the month unscathed. Okay, Boris my new refrigerater isn't here yet, so I'll be doing a lot of "take out." Try to remeber the food goes in the Saran Wrap and the Saran Wrap goes in the paper bag this time, okay?[alien][:(!]

[red p]

ok, Tom how about Coffee and a bagel?
P

[BudKarr]

Good Morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen at the bar,

I hope that is a sufficient greeting to keep me from your “Tweeeeeeetings.” <smile> Ah yes, I could use one of your steaming hot mugs of coffee, but with just a dash of something to make it stimulating. Your choice. Let me wander over to the bakery case and select a couple of those good looking delights.

Another window popped open for communications. We’re on satellite here in the mountains of Alberta, don’t know what system my friend is on, but it works.

My, my, the postings have been quite interesting and involved for the past several pages. Indeed, it seems that the bar has taken on a totally new direction with the information being provided. I found myself entranced somewhat with all of those reprints by Mr. Barndad. Very interesting and pleasant reading. Good choices.

Noticed that some of the regulars have dropped by the wayside. That will happen as people find new things to perk their interests. I would suspect that is behind the absences moreso than anything else. If one is to participate at this particular thread, one must be willing to “play the game,” as you so aptly put it, or be ignored. I respect that. You built this idea from scratch and should have the right to maintain it the way you see fit. We, on the other hand, have the option of checking out. I would say you have a steady clientele and a loyal one at that. Good show!

We may spend the weekend in the big city – a rather long drive to Edmonton. I prefer taking a private flight, but the Lady of the Manor is not so inclined. <grin> The mountain up and down drafts frighten her. Actually, the pucker factor does increase for me as well. However, it is a much more expedient way to close the distances.

My plans are flexible at the moment and unless I receive a call requesting my immediate services, I may just stay up here over the holidays. We are booked for one of the former CP lodges and it should be quite an experience indeed. Christmas in an adult setting is what we are looking for, and my companion found just such a place.

I see that the rendezvous seems to be falling into place quite well, according to your email information that is. When you look at the numbers of people frequenting this bar and then take into account how many have committed to the Toronto trip, I would say you have done quite well, quite well indeed. Right now I am still open for that time frame, but cannot make a firm commitment simply due to the flexibility of my scheduling. This long winter hiatus will most probably result in a backlog of trips for me to take, some perhaps into the spring. We shall see.

The comments directed my way from the regulars are appreciated. You are a fine lot and and in some strange way, I have found a reason to stick with this idea. A railroading forum, of all things! If you knew of my comings and goings, this would be the last place anyone would look for me. Perhaps not such a bad idea at that.

Until the next time.

BK

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom. I'll sample a light breakfast as long as boris doesn't scramble the eggs with his fingers again.

Tom those buses I found were the busch ones so 40 a pop is a bit much. I did however pick up three of Jordens little 1940's vintage Ford transits they came out with this year. I've painted them in the pullman green TH&B creame of the bulk of my street car fleet, so it looks ( when they are together on the layout ) like they belong to the smae parent company. Like Ted i have two paint jobs. Two of my bowser brills and my walthers birney are in a modified insignia red and TH&B creame livery. Less drab so obviously the older paint job when money was good for the streetcar company.


On a totally unrelated thought. [#offtopic] ( sort of ). Your mention of the morse code and looking for your speed key reminds me of my second great love ( okay third after trains and Heather ) Is the Canadian Navy. If you do a web search for the HMCS Haida historical museum ( she's a Tribal class destroyer served in WW2 and the Korean war retired in 1963 ) Today she is moored in Hamilton harbour as a museum ship. anyway their website chronicals her removal from Toronto harbour in 2002 and her towing accross Lake Ontario to St Catharines for a major hull refit ( hull at waterline was less than an inch think upon inspection in drydock ) and her then move to Hamilton ( toronto's loss for sure ) they also go into detail on the various radio room amd teletype machines refits and restoration they have done over the years. Worth any off you with an inkling of maritime history to check out.


Ted sounds like you are making some headway there for your "el" I would say why not Chicago , Milwaukee etc Used what were essentially subway cars on their els so those redbirds that Tom picked up should do well. case in point at the museum we have a chicago "el" car #48. These cars could be mu'd but also operated separatly on light days ( like there were any in Chicago ) Interstingly when you look at the controls in the car, they are essentially an all electric PCC. We brought the car to the museum because at one point the TTC considere an el line for Spadinna and Shepard ( subway's won out, as they ended up being cheaper to build and maintain, of coarse the Sheppard line only openned last year 25 years after it's original plan )


Al Nice twist to the streamliners.I've never liked complete streamling, always thought it looked well a bit off. Guess I'm like Ted, to me you should see all that "busy stuff ". Now partial streamlining to me was okay if it was done well. CPR Royal hudsons and the Jubillee's come to mind. A funny story CNR of coarse streamlined several mountains 6400-6404 and on their GTW 6405-6408. These were fully shroaded including a louvered air scoop in front of the stack. this was to force the exhaust up and away from the locomotive. CNR found that instead it funneled it right into the crews faces instead. oddly enough though these engines built in 1934-35 stayed in their fully streamlined guise until they were retired in 1959. You found them most often in sounthern ontario pulling commuter or mail trains.

BK Thanks for popping in. I have to say that this particular thread is singularly unique, strictly because of it's designer and of coarse it's rabid band of supporters. An oasis in the great forum desert !

Enjoy your extended holidays. You truly are in Gods country, enjoy those mountains !


Rob




P Might I suggest that a round of coffee and a bagel for everyone should abat the bosuns whistle of the owner. [:D][:-^]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Failed to mention that petrol up at “Collusion Corner” jumped to $2.00 (rounded) from $1.87 (rounded) yesterday. No rhyme or reason, other than someone must have sneezed at OPEC. <frown> My guess, based on absolutely nothing scientific, is that we’ll all soon see it rise and keep rising until “big oil” settles in on what they feel is necessary to keep the stockholders happy.
[soapbox] [banghead] Boris Ring the bell – drinks on me! <frown>

COMMENTARY

This thread is an inclusivie one whereby we acknowledge the other guy and his efforts. I’m noticing that some of you aren’t “into” this type of thing. A reminder is that “turn about is fair play.”

To the acknowledgments:

coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 08:09:41

An Email has been sent your way …..

Yes, I have given some thought to soliciting some Christmastime rail travel inputs for the bar. Thought it best to wait a couple of weeks, in that past experience shows that too much notice equates to either forgetting or simply “blowing off” the idea. It will get mentioned – good idea, thanx! [tup]

For all: Acronym decipher: IIRC means “If I recall/remember correctly,” for those of you who may not have picked up on this. We are “into” all kinds of shortcuts these days (daze) now that Email and cyber communications have virtually destroyed English grammar! [swg]

Thanx for the concern, but Awk is safe ‘n sound upon his gold perch – formerly the gold clapper up in my private quarters. He had quite a Thanskgiving Day as more than one tried to “run ‘em through” for roasting on a spit … [tdn]. Had you been here, you would have heard is most appropriate “sailor retorts” to one and all. Kinda makes one want to go back to sea; arghhhhhhhhhh, Matey! [swg]

Have to say that I was never really a fan of those Bathtub locos and mainly recall them from old Lionel train sets. Don’t think I ever saw one in operation – in fact I’d say not at all. I’m a diesel kinda guy, with the only exception being the GG-1 electrics. Now, I have much appreciation for those huge steam engines of the past – really do. I just got ‘hooked’ early on with the ‘pretty’ as opposed to the functional. [swg]

ftwNSengineer P
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 08:17:28 and 09:20:25

You may the the ONLY one Posting for Sunday Photo Posting Day! Responses have been rather dismal this week.

You’ll love this – I haven’t “invoked” Rule #3 – “Your closing graphic/photo is larger than your Post!” That’s a violation too. [swg] But, you are “still” in a period of grace – so to speak.

By the by, where is Grace, haven’t seen or heard from her since she left for the Penthouse Suite with one of our staff members. Hmmmmmmmm.

Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 09:13:33

Don’t know how serious you are about finding some good looking but inexpensive U.S. transit buses for your layout. American Precision Models made some 1950s buses (GM, I think) and the stock numbers are 148-39002 (red) and 148-390003 (green). They most probably are now relegated to the “eBay world” or most certainly at model RR shows. I have two of ‘em, and as previously mentioned, they will be removed from the pike for placement into my “retired” display case. Nicely done and for someone such as you, tailor made for custom work.

Also, the R17 subway cars by LifeLike with the sliver roofs are still available at ModelTrainStuff – but not for long. They are limited runs and will soon find their way to the eBay crowd, if available at all. Here’s the URL - http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/


For all: If you have asked questions and have not gotten responses, why not ask ‘em again [?] With the enormous amount of information being Posted on this thread, it is more and more understandable how something can fall through the crack. Happens – so ask again is my recommendation.

Speaking of which – there was a real “neat” letter Posted the other day by P and I had hoped someone other than I would have responded to it. C’mon guys – it’s not that difficult! [tup]
Go to page 176 and you’ll find it …..

BudKarr BK
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 09:27:52

Your Email came through just fine and has been responded to.

We plan to visit Edmonton and Calgary, but want to do so when the NHL Blues are on a road trip. So, that could take years to put together, given the schedules, etc. It would have to fall within a period of time when my bride is off. Did that for Vancouver and also Toronto and it was a blast. Don’t do it much these days (daze) as the glitter is long gone from the pro-sports scene for us. Still enjoy hockey though, in spite of the record poor showing for our team. Cyclical is the word that comes to mind …..

Back in the mid-80s I had occasion to fly with the San Bernadino PD up into the high desert country in one of their helo’s. It was a very windy day and man oh man was that ever a “pucker factor 10” flight. So, I know what you mean when you talk of updrafts and downdrafts in the mountains. We experienced quite a few going through the El Cajon Pass. I happened to be using the radio at the time when I thought my “grommet” was going to come out of my throat – long pause – and they guy on the other end burst out laughing as if he KNEW what was going on. [swg] Ah, memories.

I expect one more “definite” to be added to our Rendezvous list, with an “almost” about to happen. We could wind up with 6 of us, which would be great. Should you make it, well there’s “lucky 7.” I’ll keep you apprised by Email as things develop further.

While I appreciate your constant encouragement, I really haven’t given a thought to those who have dropped along the way. I know that my efforts were continuance in terms of trying to keep ‘em interested and it’s really a matter of choice. We’re doing quite well, as you have observed, and undoubtedly there will be more changes as time progresses. No one, or nothing stays the same. Even, Moi! [swg]

Appreciate your taking the time to ‘check in’ and hope the weekend in Edmonton turns out Grrrrrrrreat! [tup]

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 11:23:46

Are you serious [?] Walthers is selling those items at $19.98 (US) - hey, if you want a couple, I’ll order ‘em and deliver ‘em to you at the Rendezvous. Ain’t no way that the Busch “Fishbowls” sell for that kinda money down here.

Would love to check out that maritime museum for the HMCS Haida. Today’s sailors have it “made” in comparison to what those guys put up with. Then again, in my day, we had it “made” in comparison with ……. And so forth! [tup]


Okay, gotta get the afternoon NOSTALGIA piece out …..


Later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Hmm saw Tom poking about but he's up and disappeared again.[:(]

Oh well I'll go ahead with this next post anyway.

Classic Juice # 12 The Toronto Civic Railways

The Toronto civic was a collection of streetcar lines that the city built to provide transit in areas that the privatly owned Toronto Railway Company, Toronto Suburban Railway, and the Toronto and York Radial railway would not or could not cover. The Civic lines wer all separate and did not attach to each other so each division had it's own car house snowsweepers and maintenace facilities. The years of operation were 1912-1921.

The primary lines were located as follows Landsdowne to St clair. The St Clair line which did connect eventually with the Landsdowne line, Danforth,Bloor west,and The Gerard line. The Gerard line eventually conected into the Danforth line.The lines brokje down as follows. The St Clair line ran along St Clair Avenue from Yonge street to the Northewrn division of the Grand Trunk Railway 3.10 miles. The Gerard line and Coxwell Avenue line ran from Greenwood avenue to Main street,then north on Main to Danforth ave 2.14 miles . The Danforth line ran from Greenwood Ave to the east city limits 2.10. These were all operational by 1916.

Two additiinal lines were started in 1915 finished by 1917. A line along Bloor Street West was built from Dundas street,where a conection was made with the Toronto railway company line on their Dundas to Quebec street route 0.745 mile. The final line was built on Landsdowne from St Clair to the CPR tracks at Royce avenue a line of 0.615 miles. this completed the Civic's lines several other lines were proposed but stopped in 1920 as the merger of all the Toronto street railway comapnies to form the now TTC was under way at that point.


Four proposed but never built civic lines were as follows. Bathhurst street, from the St Clair line to Davenport road then along Davenport to Dupont street this would have been a 1.14 mile run. The Rosedale loop from South Drive to South Drive , via Glen Road,Summerhill Ave,Macclennon Ave,schofield ave then back onto Glen to complete the loop. This would have been a 1.45 mile circle. A further line was proposed to run east from St Clair and Yonge and run north onto Mount Pleasant road no further specs wer given on that as it never made it off the paper stage.

All of their cars were paye cars as built but were later converted to pay as you pass. All the cars were of wood construction from various manufacturers save for the final car orders for single truck Birney's ( only ones built for Toronto ). All of the civics cars were double ended as well as no loops were ever provided for turning the cars, all the lines operated out and back only the Bloor line was double tracked. I'll follow later today with a complete list of cars and manufacturers etc.


Rob

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #35

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check this out (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Mountaineer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Famous Train through the CANADIAN ROCKIES

THIS YEAR will operate Daily June 29 thru August 28 between

ST. PAUL – MINNEAPOLIS

. . . . . . . . . . AND THE . . . . . . . . . .

NORTH PACIFIC COAST

Via Soo Line St. Paul-Portal. . . . . . . . . . . Can. Pac. Ry. Portal-Vancouver.

Through Standard Sleeping Cars offering Drawing-room, Compartment, Bedrooms, Roomette and Open Section accommodations, also excellent Dining Car Service.

Note – The Mountaineer is Diesel Electric Powered between ST. PAUL, MINN., and Portal, N.D. and in the Mountains.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . From ST. PAUL June 29 thru Auust 28.
Exmpl . down . . . From VANCOUVER July 2 thru August 31 . . up . . . Exmpl

Sat . . . 9 40 PM .lv St. Paul (C.T.) . . . . . . (Soo Line) . . . . . . . .ar 7:15 AM Sat
“ . . . . 1025 PM lv Minneapolis . . . . . . . . . (Soo Line) . . . . . . . .ar 6 30 AM “
Mon . . 7 15 AM ar Calgary (M.T.) . . . . . . . (Can. Pac.). . . . . . . lv 7 20 PM Thu
“ . . . . 10 30 AM ar Banff . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Can. Pac.) . . . . . . . lv 4 35 PM “
“ . . . . 11 45 AM ar Lake Louise . . . . . . . . .(Can. Pac.) . . . . . . lv 2 40 PM “
“ . . . . 12 55 PM ar Field (M.T.) . . . . . . . . . (Can. Pac.) . . . . . . lv 1 30 PM “
Tue . . . 7 50 AM ar Vancouver (P.T.) . . . . . (Can. Pac.) . . . . . . lv 6 30 PM Wed
“ . . . . 10 00 AM lv Vancouver . . . . . . . . . . (C.P.S.S.) . . . . . . . ar 5 25 PM “
“ . . . . 2 15 PM ar Victoria . . . . . . . . . . . . .(C.P.S.S.) . . . . . . . lv 1 10 PM “
“ . . . . 9 00 PM ar Seattle (P.T.) . . . . . . . . .(C.P.S.S.) . . . . . . . lv 8 00 AM “

C.T. – Central time; M.T. – Mountain Time; P.T. – Pacific Time


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[trolleyboy]

Tom figured you were (de)composing a post when you disappeared roight before I dropped the above on everyone. I suppose my arm could be twisted the Haida museum isn't to far off the beaten path as it were if we so choose in May [:-^] Likley a ten to twenty minute drive from the hotel ! BTW I'll grab a coffee to go and a couple of the danishes ( no Boris not the prune ones those are for Ted )[:(!] Lord knows why Nick puts up with him. I see that Awk and tex are getting along fine looks like Awk likes riding on Tex's shoulder hump.

Let we think on the bus idea I will let you know via email.

Ta for now everyone.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Yo Rob!

Had to take a "time out," Juneau demanded "equal time." Man oh man, it feels like northern Canada out there today! [yeah] [;)]

Regarding the Rendezvous - as long as we keep Friday strictly for steel wheels on steel rails - no sweat. We could "do it" on Saturday .... fine with me. Let's continue this via Email - gets a bit convoluted here on the thread.

[yeah] Awk has a way with "creatures!" His own armored car, so to speak! [swg]

Check out the Walthers site at www.walthers.com - type in Fishbowls and you'll get the listings on them. Busch is the manufacturer. Don't know how long the sale will last.

My last Post was at 12:01 and yours was at 12:07. So the question is - did you catch the NOSTALGiA piece [?] By the by, thanx for that Classic Juice. Good readin' ... [tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

All of our regulars know about the Birthday Watch List .... however, it needs to be posted repeatedly, just as a reminder regarding who is coming up next for the Birthday Bash ......

2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST (rev. Sep 16th):

February 2nd (Kevin – 49)
March 5th (Nick – 45)
April 18 (Al - 63)
May 18th (Tom - 67)
May 27th (Dave - 46)
June 24th (Dan - 43)
July 15th (*** – 65)
July 25th (Chris - 51)
July 30th (Russell – 34)
August 16th (Ted - 67)
September 8th (Rob - 34)
December 29th (CM3) – 59 Next up!

Not on the list [?] Send me an Email with your birth date (month-day-year).
Corrections too!

Names of those in The Legion of the Lost will be dropped in 2006.

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!



NOTE for all: Check the SUMMARIES

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening gentlemen all,a brief visit this evening-todays rubble shifting (weather as advertised) has rather sapped my energies.
straight to business therefore:- We`ll try a mixture of the traditional and the exotic tonight

The soup kettle has been working double time today so we can offer:-
Leek & potato with smoked bacon
Clam chowder
French onion with croutons au gratin

On the fish front we have:-
North Sea Cod in Yorkshire beer batter
Haddock in herbed breadcrumbs
Paneed Lemon Sole
Mixed Crepes with scallops,tiger prawns,mussels & red lobster in provencal sauce
Grilled Red Snapper with lime & chilli butter sauce

A touch of the exotic perhaps....?
Roasted pumpkin with bacon,green pepper,baby corn & red onion,all doused in olive oil on a bed of cous-cous
Peking Duck,with spring onions,pancakes & full range of dipping sauces
[C=:-)]`s choice meal for two-Pate Maison with reform sauce and fresh baked rolls followed by Whole Lobster with salad platter
[C=:-)]`s choice meal for four or more-the Indian Platter,- Beef Madras,Tandoori Chicken Tikka ,King Prawn Jalfrezi,Pork Bhuna,double Singapore special rice,double vegetable biriyani,Bhindi Brinjal & Sag Aloo Korma,Lamb Samosa`s, Onion Bhajee`s,Nan Breads,poppadoms & chutney tray

O.K-Thats me for the galley,Enjoy !
P.S [4:-)]TOM-dont sweat sun.pix.-barely tapped the well yet [swg]-just name a theme or topic-bound to be able to find some weird angle on it [^],later,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin!

Well, the bottom apparently has dropped out, for there's been an absence of customers from early afrernoon on. The morning was quite busy though. That's life at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill." [%-)][%-)]

Ncie menu, Chief Chef [C=:-)] Nick and I'm sure the track gangs from the Can-Am, CN and CP RR's will dig in just as soon as the tables are ready. [tup][tup]

Appreciate your remembering that this is our Fish 'n Chips Nite but alas, we haven't had any "takers" for quite awhile, with the execption of pwolfe Pete, always seems to remember this night! [swg] I saw him lurking in the shadows again, so perhaps he'll show up .......

I'm not really "concerned" about the pix for Sunday ... just trying to gin up support for it. There is a plus to this for me - less time here and more time for other interests. [tup]

Has anyone else noticed the increase in the "nonsense" Postings on our Forum [?] Just check out the "profiles" and you'll quickly figure out what they are all about - no information or those getting started with racking up the numbers count. I urge one and all not to give these people any encouragement.

Given that it has been so quiet 'round here, I decided to Post the Birthday Watch List again. As with so many other features of "Our" Place occasional reminders can't hurt ..... [tup]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[wanswheel]

Hi Tom and gang, Happy December. It goes so fast, I got older than the lot of you who still enjoy snow. I still like Hank Snow though.
Nick what a feast! And just in time, now I won't have to run to 7-11 for munchies.
Tom it occurs to me that the railroads and the telegraph wires were the Internet of the 19th century. Incidentally I did not know USCG had ceased monitering for SOS. But it's still shorthand for distress, as everyone knows. Compare IIRC, which is just what a thread about trains needs. More Initials.(note to self: put smiley right about here)
Rob there seems to be lots of geography in Toronto. The big city, for sure. I'll have to stop at the Trolley Juice concession stand and buy a map.
Nick, I've learned from sources that you are in fact a 92-year old peasant farmer in China who learned English by listening to the BBC on a contraband short wave radio. But that's about all the beans I can spill here. There are two reasons:
1. My father would not approve of my posting copyrighted material on his publisher's free website without a clearance from the higher ups.
2. I don't know how.

BK "entranced" is exactly the word for how I read Barndad's posts too. He's got a keen eye for good stuff to post. Incidentally I doubt if the fallen away patrons are likely to forget Our Place. I'll be gone as soon as tomorrow for all I know. No, I'm hooked for now.
Pretty sure I'm going to remember being here though

What to make of P's letter on page 176? Still good New York Central System service. I rode across Ontario from South Bend, Indiana to New York that year. The club car stopped serving drinks when the train entered Canada.
And Lefty Frizzell:

I was born in Saginaw , Michigan
I grew up in a house on Saginaw Bay
My dad was a poor, hard working Saginaw fisherman
Too many times he came home with too little pay
I loved a girl in Saginaw, Michigan
The daughter of a wealthy, wealthy man
But he called me "That son of a Saginaw fisherman"
And not good enough to claim his daughter's hand
Now I'm up here in Alaska looking for gold
Like a crazy fool I'm digging in this frozen ground, so cold
But with each new day I pray I'll strike it rich and then
I'll go home and claim my love in Saginaw, Michigan
I wrote my love in Saginaw, Michigan
I said, "Honey I'm coming home, please wait for me
And you can tell your dad, I'm coming back a richer man
"I've hit the biggest strike in Klondike history"
Her dad met me in Saginaw, Michigan
He gave me a great big party with champagne
Then he said, "Son you're a wise ambitious man
"Will you sell your father-in-law your Klondike claim?"
Now he's up there in Alaska digging in the cold, cold ground
The greedy fool is looking for the gold I never found
It serves him right and no-one here is missing him
Least of all the newlyweds of Saginaw, Michigan

[passengerfan]

Good evening Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
Being the first it was a madhouse at the office today.
Rob I like you always though CPR had the right idea for streamlined steam they were always among my favorites. But much can be said for GN and C&O steam who let everything hang out no streamlined steam until the C&O decided to rebuild those Hudsons. Much can also be said for the Daylight 4-8-4 as the SPO never overdid the streamlining. Never cared much for the fully streamlined CN Northerns.
Many felt the Raymond Loewey streamlined Pacifics for the Southern and Lehigh Valley were excellent for fully streamlined steam. Saw a color picture of the Southerns
's one and only streamlined Pacific and must say it was among my favorites. Never cared much for the NYC streamlined steam it just seemed out of place and I can't explain why. Those streamlined Hudsons on the NYNH&H will always be among my favorites. The two CB&Q streamlined Hudsons never did much for me in the looks department but who can question a steam loco that could pull a twelve car train at the Century mark.

Watch for the morning streamliner corner it will be one of the more obscure and it was steam powered.

Any requests out their for streamliner corner will certainly be entertained.

TTFN AL

[West Coast S]

Eveing Tom and the gang.. A special occasion, drinks for all, I return to duty tomorrow, new command, new assignment....new computer from the PX...I don't ask much from life do I? Well, i've been occupied with fence building today so my vist has been somewhat delayed, gotta keep the investment looking good, keep Boris away from all paint .We all well remember what happen last time he got curious and the means were available .

Glad we have a fantastic group with vast interest, there is always room for some good natured debate and stimulating converstation. I for one would NEVER challange PassengerFanAl on his area of expertise, TrolleyBoy has the lowdown on electric operations, Nick the ace accross the pond on events revelent to the Isles, Tom our resident RDC fan and all around great host on all subjects and the numerous others that inpart. the identity of "Our Place" It's heart and soul, so to speak.



Well, enough wisdom for tonight, set em up if you could please, gotta get that last finish coat on before the rain moves in tomorrow.

Dave

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

A bit of a flurry here at the "Feast or Famine Bar 'n Grill!" [swg] It's an amazin' place we've got and even more amazin' customers! [yeah][tup]

wanswheel Mike Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 19:46:07

Can't monitor for "SOS" if there aren't anymore Radiomen (RM's) aboard the Cutters. Changed the rating a long time ago and stopped teaching the 'code' as well. Not during "my day," but not that long after I retired. Proobably wouldn't recognize the modern "radio shack."

So, you've "uncovered" Nick's true identity, eh [?] Clever! [swg]

Interesting "bit" regarding Saginaw, Michigan - never read that before. [tup][tup] All from a "post mark," quite an "eye" you have!

We're pleased that you've found yourself a place at our bar 'n grill. You've quickly become a regular 'round here. Thanx for pickin' up the slack .... your Posts are right on the mark! [tup]

passengerfan AlPosted: 01 Dec 2005, 20:27:37

Glad you resurfaced! Appreciatre the round, as always! Boris Ring it!

We'll all be watching for your next iteration of the Streamlilner series - question is, are YOU watching the NOSTALGIA pieces [?] [swg]

Requests [?] Well, anything regarding the PRR - NYC - NH and GG-1's would put a smile on my face! [tup]

Okay guyz, Leon the Night Man has arrived wearing his shined Jump Boots - Air Borne! Set 'em up for the crowd and ring the bell, Boris!

Later! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hey West Coast S Dave Just caught your Post before I checked out .... This evening's activity rivals that of this morning. We had the doldrums during the afternoon. Can't win 'em all, eh [?] [swg]

Send me an Email wudja [?] Never did get a response from the one I sent you ....

Anyway, GREAT news! Hope this time 'round things go smoother and less stressful. [tup][tup][tup]

Okay - another round on the way - thanx Dave - Ring it Boris

I'm gone .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

YES please North Sea Cod in Yorkshire Batter,Chips and Mushy Peas and as [C=:-)]NICK got any Sam SmIth's Old Yorkshire Brewery Bitter in the CAN-AM Zepplin to wash it down[?][tup].

Great series on the Streamlines AL and thanks for the link TOM[tup].I see that the PRR S-1 #6100 was longer than a Big-boy and could haul a 1000 ton train at 100M.P.H. It is a shame it wasn't preserved although it seems it wasn;t totally successful and had a short life.I was reading recently that one of the reasons the A4 pacifics of the L.N.E.R. kept their streamlining after the war was its ability to keep the smoke clear of the cab.
The story was that during the design stage a clay model was used in a wind tunnel to get the most aero-dynamic form for the casing. They had got the shape of the A4 but were experincing trouble with smoke drifting around the cab until a technician accidently pinched the clay model when putting it in the wind-tunnel behind the stack which cured the problem.

Glad you can join us while on holiday BK[tup]

Sorry Im late [#welcome] P.

WANSWHEEL Great poem and great post your are so right about Our Place[yeah].

I would also like to see the article from DEC 2000 of Trains this was the first R.R,Mag I bought in the U.S. it is now somewhere in England.

ROB thanks for the Classic Juice#12. I have been in touch with my mate in the U.K. he is still looking into the Immingham Tramway cars.By the way how far is it from Toronto to Montreal.

DAN hope you have a good weekend at the Midland.I have seen the advert looks like a great event.

TED Very much appriciate the comment on my British Railways posts [tup]. I dont know nearly enough on NA Railroads to post on them but with the knowledge of the regulars new and old at Our Place it is a great place and way to learn.

TOM Another great Nostalgia. I haven't any new photos at the moment. My mate in the U.K. as just got a digital camera and says he will take some railway shots and send them to me which we can use.

[C=:-)] NICK The fish and chips were delicious thanks PETE.

[trolleyboy]

Evening Leon I'll grab a CR and heck ring up a round for everyone left standing Boris.

Tom did indeed catch the nostalgia post. Good stuff as always. I will check in on walther's about those buses. I will likley send you an email if not tonight tomorrow.

Nick Wow great selection you have out done yourself as per usual. I'm sure that this menu espeacially with the multi group pics will make the managers archieves for sure. BTW I'll have the sole !

mike Wonderfull little poem and not like Tom I'm glad that you have joined our little band of rabid train guys. TTC maps are available but they aren't as interesting as the days before the TTC when upto five different electric surface systems moved people and things in and around Toronto.

Al I have to admit that I'm not entirely a streamlined steamerfan but the just enough approach of the CPR seemed right. Although I do like the pictures of the Lehigh streamlined in the striped cornel red. I've no speacila requests either, anything with alot of juice flowing through would be nice though !


Pete How are you. No rush on that info from yopur freind nomne of us are going anywhere soon. To answer your distance question its about 750-800km between the two. Translated an our and abit by plane. Five and ahalf six by train or if you drive it ( mostly because the 401's a warzone) it would be a good six if not seven hours. Unless of coarse you have a heavy foot, in which case it's been known to take 4 hours to drive [:O] that usually will mean a non-resident road tax being levied at some point. [:-^][:D]

Dave Aw shucks your making us feel are warm and mushy inside. You sir are quite the fountain of indesputable info as well. Makes as the nice well oiled ( sometimes sporadic ) machine that we here at Our Place are. [tup][tup]

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Okay as promised here's Classic juice # 13 The rolling stock of the Toronto Civic Railway TCR

Class A (TCR) later class 1 ( TTC )
cars 1-4 later renumbered by the TCR to 120-123 ( 4 cars )
Double truck double end cars two man crew pay-as-you-enter rear entrance front and rear exit cars
Built by McGuire-Cummings ordered nov 1912 in service dec 1912
Wood body composite wood steel underbody. Arched roof cars with steel sheathed ends
L 44'0" W 8' 9" H 11' 7"

Class B (TCR) Class H,H1,H2 ( TTC )
Cars 100-119 ( 19 cars )
Built by Niles Car Co ordered aug 1913 delivered dec 13 jan 14
Double truck double end cars pay-as-you-enter rear entrance front and rear exit cras with two man crew
Wood car bodies with a truss rod supported wood and steel underframe
L 45' 1" W 8' 6" H 11' 8"


Class D and Class E ( TCR ) Class F ( TTC )
Cars 50-56 ( class D ) Car 57 ( Class E )
Built by Preston Car and Coach Jan 1915 50-52 October 1915 53-56 Jan 1917 57
Single truck, double end two man pay-as-you enter cars,rear entrance front and rear exit cars
Wood bodies with steel under frame arched roof cars
L ( all cars )34' 8" (50-52 & 57) L 34' 0"( 53-56 ) W 8' 6" H 10'10"
cars 55,57,& 53 a;; survibe and live at our museum


Class F ( TCR ) Class J ( TTC )
cars 200-212 ( 13 cars )
Built by Preston Car and Coach in Feb-MaY 1915
Double truck double end two man pay-as-you-enter cars. rear entrance front rear exit{original} Converted in 1923 to one/two man Nearside safety car config. Front entrabce and exit. Converted again in 1925 to double end pay-as-you pass front entrance rear treadle exit
All steel Arch roof cars
L 47'0" W 8' 5" H 11' 9"

Class G ( TCR ) Class G ( TTC )
cars 60-84 ( 25 cars )
Built by J.G. Brill july 1920-sept 1920
Single truck double end one man pay-as-you-enter front entrance and exit Birney safety cars
All steel construction
L 28' 0" W 7' 10" H 10' 8"

Class C ( TCR )
Cars 5-7 ( 3 cars )
Built by McGuire-Cummings 1912 (5) 1913 (6 ) 1915 ( 7 )
Three man single truck double ended snowsweepers
Wood cab steel underframe arch roof
L 28' 0" W 8' 11" H 11' 2"

All the cars survived to be incorporated into the TTC roaster when formed in 1921 they were renumbered. Only the three single truckers at the museum survived. The birney's were sold to Halifax and Cornwall in the early 50's when the TTC declared them surplus. Most of the larger cars were retired after the war along with the wood bodied cars inherited from the Toronto Railway Company.

Enjoy Rob

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones. (Don’t ask how we do that!) [swg]

Friday has arrived! A good way to “celebrate” the end of the work week (for most) is to draw a cuppa “Joe,” enjoy a few pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and of course order a <light> breakfast! [yeah]

A special THANX! to all who have continued to Post on a regular basis. It’s not so much the quantity that we’re looking for, it’s quality and you’ve been great with BOTH! [tup][tup][tup]

Politician: Someone who can borrow $20, pay you back $10 and declare you’re even because you both lost $10.


Info for the Day:

(1) Friday is Pizza Nite along with Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
(2) Saturday is ENCORE! Day
(3) Sunday is Sunday Photo Posting Day! and yes, we are CLOSED!

My guess is that we are NOT going to have much of a Sunday Photo Posting Day! So, there will be a modification to the format – submissions of NOSTALGIA and Fallen Flags are encouraged. [tup] As always, we want to continue limiting the narratives to Monday thru Saturday ……


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 00:52:26 (179) Inclusive Post, etc.

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 05:45:25 (179) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 06:59:40 (179) Streamliner #19 – Commodore Vanderbilt

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 08:08:40 (179) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 08:09:41 (179) ”Bathtup,” etc.

(7) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 08:17:28 (179)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 08:42:35 (179) Tweeeeeeeeeeet!

(9) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 09:13:33 (179) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 09:20:25 (179)

(11) BudKarr BK Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 09:27:52 (180) from Alberta

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 11:53:08 (180) Acknowledgments, etc.

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 11:58:43 (180) Classic Juice #12 – The Toronto Civic Railways

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 12:01:20 (180) NOSTALGIA #34 – The Mountaineer

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 12:07:50 (180)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 12:59:49 (180) reply to trolleyboy

(17) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 19:03:05 (180) Birthday Watch List

(18) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 19:07:05 (180) Menu!

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 19:33:52 (180) reply to nickinwestwales, etc.

(20) wanswheel Mike Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 19:46:07 (180) Inclusive Post, etc.

(21) passengerfan Al Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 20:27:37 (180)

(22) West Coast S Dave Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 21:37:53 (180) New Job!

(23) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 21:43:16 (180) reply to wanswheel & passengerfan

(24) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 21:47:08 (180) reply to West Coast S

(25) pwolfe Pete Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 21:53:23 (180) Inclusive Post, etc.

(26) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 22:44:12 (180) Inclusive Post, etc.

(27) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Dec 2005, 23:33:56 (180 Classic Juice #13 – Rollilng Stock of the TCR

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!