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"OUR" PLACE - SEE NEW THREAD!
Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:29 AM
April 12th, 2006 was our 1st Year Anniversary on the Classic Trains Forum!
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"Our" Place is now established and it's time to update our opening post ......
THE VOTING ENDED in mid-APRIL 2005


To get the most from this topic, whether you are a new "customer" or one who has been away for awhile, check out the pages that you've missed. You will see Summaries put together by Tom (Siberianmo) the Proprietor of "Our" Place ... they should help you get through the conversations a bit quicker.

We've chosen the location for "Our" Place along with some adjustments to the outside ..... check 'em out. We're trying to fit into the early to mid-1950's ...... that "qualifies" us as "Classic" train kindsaguys ........

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The original first post: //retained just for "historical" purposes//

My interests are in railroads - real and model. Thanx to Kalmbach, we have these forums to ask questions, post responses, chat about this 'n that, and in general enjoy our hobby and interests.

So, how about joining me from time to time in "Our" Place - Where Classic Trains are the subject - those that are and some that should be.

As the "bar keep" in this place, all I ask is to keep the dialogue civil and try to stay on point - some of these threads have people popping in simply to run up their numbers - not welcome here!

C'mon in - all newcomers get a free drink on the house!
Sign - Welcome [#welcome]
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DO NOT VOTE - voting ended in mid-APRIL
Which of these places would best represent "Our" Place (click to enlarge)?

Place #1

Place #2

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Posted by CFournier on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:31 AM
HELLO, TOM
I LIKE PLACE # 1,
Looks like a good place to have a sandwich ,a beer and a little chat.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:07 AM
QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 12 April 2005, 09:31:47
HELLO, TOM
I LIKE PLACE # 1,
Looks like a good place to have a sandwich ,a beer and a little chat.
Chris.


[#welcome] Chris! First drink on me ..... the back bar is loaded with whatever you may prefer, the keg has been recently tapped and the 'fridge is full of canned and bottled brew ..... Coffee's hot too ....

I see you are from one of my FAVORITE places in the world - Montreal. Really mean that. My Godfather was from that great city - don't know precisely where - and my childhood (1940's) memories of him are vivid to this day.

Additionally, we travel aboard VIA Rail's "Ocean" at least once a year to Halfiax, where we have family and friends. So Montreal is the starting point and as far as I'm concerned - that Central Station is for sure a "Classic" in all aspects of the word. The train is too - as long as they run the Budd stainless steel equipment - wouldn't give a copper cent for the Renaissance "Euro" cars ....

Thanx for coming in - and no doubt we'll be "talking"!

See ya![tup]

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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:33 PM
I'm not prepared to knock the new Via Renaissance cars until after I give them a chance. I too still like the Budd cars. At least Via fianlly purchased some new equipment even if it had been stored for awhile.
If this is to be about Classic trains than I shall mention my two favorites from the past the GN Empire Builder and Santa Fe Super Chief. I rode the new 1947 Empire Builders days after their inaugural the first of many trips on this and the subsequent Empire Builders up to and including Amtrak.
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Posted by bjdukert on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:22 PM
Hi Siberanmo thought I would come on over and see how things were going and it looks like you have a good start[^][:)][tup]

How about a hot tea while sit in the corner for awhile. I'll look in from time to time and I think you will have some other vistors as well. GOOD LUCK

Duke

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:22 PM
Hi Tom put me down for place #1 as well. Reminds me of a little restaurant along highway 11near Bracebridge.My favrorite "classics" are the Montreal & Southern Counties the NS&T and the CP electric lines in ontario. Back soon. Rob
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:47 AM
Good Morning!

Things have been rather slow in this new place of ours - well it is new and a bit of time has to pass before it catches on. Appreciate those of you who took the time to drop a word or two ...... we've had quite a few people poke their heads in, look around, and leave ........ maybe when we draw a crowd, some of them will try again.

QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 12 Apr 2005, 18:33:43
I'm not prepared to knock the new Via Renaissance cars until after I give them a chance. I too still like the Budd cars. At least Via fianlly purchased some new equipment even if it had been stored for awhile.
If this is to be about Classic trains than I shall mention my two favorites from the past the GN Empire Builder and Santa Fe Super Chief. I rode the new 1947 Empire Builders days after their inaugural the first of many trips on this and the subsequent Empire Builders up to and including Amtrak.


Couldn't agree with you more - one should only voice an opinion when one has knowledge of the subject. Makes sense to me ....... I've traveled the "Ocean" aboard the "Euro" Renaissance cars. I'm obviously biased (for those who have read my thoughts on other threads) when it comes to the Budd stainless steal "beauties" still operating on VIA Rai's "Canadian" - a remaining "classic" - and one day per week each way between Montreal and Halifax on the "Ocean."

So, since the Renaissance stuff isn't "classic" - yet, no need for me to expound on it other than to say, I really didn't enjoy the trip as much as those taken aboard Budd's fine stuff .......

Feel free to tell us all about your experiences on "classic" trains - your submissions are indeed "classic" and many on this thread will undoubtedly enjoy them .......

[#welcome]Thanx for stopping in and your first "one" is on me![tup]

(Oh yeah - you didn't vote .......)[;)]

QUOTE: bjdukertPosted: 12 Apr 2005, 19:22:23
Hi Siberanmo thought I would come on over and see how things were going and it looks like you have a good start

How about a hot tea while sit in the corner for awhile. I'll look in from time to time and I think you will have some other vistors as well. GOOD LUCK

Duke

[#welcome]Thanx for stopping by, Duke - good to "see" you again. Hot tea -you bet! How hot is hot?!

By the way, your vote counts too ....... which will it be?[;)]

See ya![tup]

QUOTE: trolleyboyPosted: 12 Apr 2005, 23:22:09
Hi Tom put me down for place #1 as well. Reminds me of a little restaurant along highway 11near Bracebridge.
My favrorite "classics" are the Montreal & Southern Counties the NS&T and the CP electric lines in ontario. Back soon.
Rob

Hey Rob! [#welcome]Good seeing you again and thanx for stopping in. What's your pleasure? First "one" is on me .......

Appreciate your vote - by the way, let me tell you guys about this particular model featured in #1. The HO kit is made by American Model Builders (152-145) and is called "NIne Mile House & Tavern." This structure still exists and I have lunch there (and a beer or two ......) from time to time. It's about a 15 minute drive from me and is called "The Trainwreck Saloon." Over the years, several modifications have been made to the appearance - but it still retains enough of it for me to "relate" ....... Kinda nice having a structure on my layout that has a real life counterpart close to home. A "classic" for sure!

Feel free to tell us all about your "classic" experiences ..... that's the kinda place this is ...... for those of us who like this stuff, "tell" away.

See ya![tup]
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So, that's the way I'd like to keep the conversations going ...... you "talk" and I'll reply along with providing some "order" to it all. Oh yes - pictures are really welcome and please feel free to post away ........

Belly up, boys ..... light breakfast menu - hot coffee, tea and hot chocolate! The day is just beginning!

See ya![tup]

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Posted by bjdukert on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:02 PM
Ok Siberianmo so that I will know for sure where to come when I stop the next time how about #1

Gotta go dentist appointment

Duke

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Posted by CFournier on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:03 PM
Hi!
Just stop for a quick cofee.
I'm curious: anybody could tell me about a trip he took on a Western Pacific branch line passenger train? What consist, cars , what engine pulled the train, where did he go, etc.
I'd like to model that on my layout.
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:14 PM
I've just completed my entry into "wireless" computing ..... pretty "cool" stuff, but it has taken most of my evening to do it. Nevertheless, I can now take "Our Place" anywhere in my house that I want to go ......

Looks like #1 is the leading contender ... let's let it run for one week, then close the vote.

My plan is to provide a "summary" each morning, when I open up the place. ....... perhaps as we see some more "customers," there will even be some back 'n forth stuff ... hope so!

Any HELP out there for Chris' question (Western Pacific ... see above) ....

See ya in the AM![tup][;)]

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:33 AM
Good Morning! Appears that the site has been "down" for a bit this AM .. bet that had a lot of guys running in circles ........ as with that first cuppa Joe, some just have to have their "forum fix"![;)]

C'mon in and take advantage of our Grand Opening breakfast special ... we specialize in light breakfasts - for the guy on the go. Check out the menu ......

Okay - so what to talk about?

Regarding those two taverns that are up for a vote .. the "Second Class Saloon" is a model kit by Grandt Line (300-5900). What is particularly interesting about it is that it's a replica of Wyatt Erp's tavern in Nome, Alaska. Really. After the famous lawman hung up his guns - and took up with a lady actress - he left Tombstone, Arizona in 1882, moving further west, establishing similar looking places in San Diego, California, Tonopah, Nevada and then Nome. I've been to two of the three places - missed Tonopah - and no, I never did see the tavern! Frequented several here and there, but none quite like Wyatt Erp's place. Surely don't remember anything like it in Nome back in 1959 ......

Okay - so what's "Classic" about this story? Heck - if this isn't classic in the historical sense, then I just don't know the definition. Trains? Here's a stretch ... they took the train westward![;)]

QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 13 Apr 2005, 15:03:26
Hi!
Just stop for a quick cofee.
I'm curious: anybody could tell me about a trip he took on a Western Pacific branch line passenger train? What consist, cars , what engine pulled the train, where did he go, etc.
I'd like to model that on my layout.
Chris


Some help PLEASE! Thanx for stopping by ...... coffee's always hot![tup]

QUOTE: [b]bjdukert/b] Posted: 13 Apr 2005, 14:02:44
Ok Siberianmo so that I will know for sure where to come when I stop the next time how about #1

Gotta go dentist appointment

Duke


Don't be a stranger and let's get some conversation going - that is if you can still speak after the Dentist visit![;)]
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Hope to "see" you again .......

Enjoy!

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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:31 AM
Good morning everyone. Do we have any CP electric line fans out there or traction fans would love to swap stories, though admittidly mine come from books and restoration work on our museum pieces.Anyone interested in the CP electrics however will be happy to hear that LE&N (Lake Erie and Northern) combine 797 is on her way back to opereational status.As I speak all her wiring been traced and the main switch units and resistor grids have been removed for restoration / rebuilding best guesstimate right now about $20,000 perhaps less and she'll be up and running.Minor body resto has also been started (wood bodied car) Any one interested in finding out more about our museum or it's collection check www.hcry.org We're always looking for more willing and able volenteers. Rob
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:12 PM
Hey Rob!

Thanx for popping in ....... we start serving lunch in about an hour from the time you sat on that stool ..... check out the menu - sandwiches are ample and made from only the freshest lunch meats in town. Cheeses are cut in the back room - need a mask back there, especially with the empty kegs, etc.! Would gag a healthy maggot, someone said one day. Still hungry?

Anyway, that site you mentioned is pretty interesting. What's your connection with the museum? Sure don't know why traction, if indeed it's "classic", cannot be included in our discussions ...... GO FOR IT!

Stick around![tup][;)]

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Posted by West Coast S on Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:27 PM
Hi gang...sounds like my kinda folks, mind if I join you for a cold one and impart a couple of examples? The WP had branches? Being sarcastic of course, the Reno branch and the Loyington branch. Chris this one is for you:

WP ran an excursion in conjunction with the 50th anniversy of the Nevada Northern. The special operated from Oakland CA. to the NN interchange at Cobre NV. where passengers boarded a steam powered NN special. A-B-B-A F7s from the freight pool along with a Zepherette provided the power (The Zepherette was removed at Cobre and continued on to Salt Lake on its regular run, talk about efficient power movement). The second set of CZ equiptment was tapped to provide a source for the domes, diner, and lounges along with heavyweight equiptment from the D&RGW .

There were two seperate excursions using 4-6-0 # 94 and 2-8-2 #34 from San Jose to Stockton in the late 50s.

So ok. Are there any additional WP excursions I have missed?

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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:46 PM
Greetings from the coalfields. We have lots of small places around here for beer, etc. so your off to a good start---BTW - where's the pool table? I know, behind all the mt kegs.

Look forward to seeing more in this section of the forum.

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Posted by espeefoamer on Thursday, April 14, 2005 4:59 PM
This sounds like a great place to enjoy a pastrami sandwich, onion rings, and a tall frosty root beer.We can reminisce about the days when we could go to Beaumont Hill and watch the Kaiser ore train with 3 U28Cs on the point,3 in the middle and 3more pushing just ahead of the caboose[:)].
I vote for #1[oX)].
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:43 PM
Evening guys - welcome aboard and have "one" on me! That's the "policy" in "Our Place" - first drink always on the "bar keep" so belly up and let's talk!

QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 14 April 2005, 15:27:38
Hi gang...sounds like my kinda folks, mind if I join you for a cold one and impart a couple of examples? The WP had branches? Being sarcastic of course, the Reno branch and the Loyington branch.

Chris this one is for you:
WP ran an excursion in conjunction with the 50th anniversy of the Nevada Northern. The special operated from Oakland CA. to the NN interchange at Cobre NV. where passengers boarded a steam powered NN special. A-B-B-A F7s from the freight pool along with a Zepherette provided the power (The Zepherette was removed at Cobre and continued on to Salt Lake on its regular run, talk about efficient power movement). The second set of CZ equiptment was tapped to provide a source for the domes, diner, and lounges along with heavyweight equiptment from the D&RGW .

There were two seperate excursions using 4-6-0 # 94 and 2-8-2 #34 from San Jose to Stockton in the late 50s.

So ok. Are there any additional WP excursions I have missed?


[#welcome]Thanx for the input and I'm sure we'll be hearing from Chris up in Montreal.
The only thing that you missed was voting! C'mon - #1 or #2?[tup][;)]

QUOTE: coalminer3 Posted: 14 April 2005, 15:46:46
Greetings from the coalfields. We have lots of small places around here for beer, etc. so your off to a good start---BTW - where's the pool table? I know, behind all the mt kegs.

Look forward to seeing more in this section of the forum.

work safe

[#welcome] Appreciate the way you "talk" and the pool tables (two) are in storage - just waiting to move 'em into whichever establishment we decide on - #1 or #2 - c'mon and vote![tup][;)]

Some years ago - 1960-62, I used to drive from NYC, where I was stationed to Cincinnati on a regular basis - was a looooooong drive in those days. I still remember getting off the PA Turnpike at New Stanton, PA and taking highway 40 through Wheeling, WVA in the wee hours of early morning (1 or 2 AM). Then it was highway 22 into Cincy - if I recall. During the trips back, that's when I got to see just how rugged a place WVA really is .... and it's my kinda landscape. Spent 18 months up in Alaska (Kodiak) and my ship took us all over that state - Nome - the Aleutians - you name it - rugged is where it's at (for me!) ........

What's that have to do with "Classic" trains? Took a train from Anchorage to Fairbanks in 1960 - believe it was operated by the U.S. Army in those days - mostly everything was - but the crew was all civilian. Quite an experience and it "lives" in my memory to this day .........

Make yourself at home and come back often![TUP][;)]

QUOTE: espeefoamer Posted: 14 April 2005, 16:59:22
This sounds like a great place to enjoy a pastrami sandwich, onion rings, and a tall frosty root beer.
We can reminisce about the days when we could go to Beaumont Hill and watch the Kaiser ore train with 3 U28Cs on the point,3 in the middle and 3more pushing just ahead of the caboose.
I vote for #1.


[#welcome]Two out of three ain't so bad - the "tall frosty root beer truck" didn't deliver today! Now, we have lots of old fashioned soda pops - all in bottles - including sarsaparilla. So make another choice! What kinda bread you want that on, by the way?

Tell us more about the Kaiser ore train and Beaumont Hill - don't know much about either ..... Glad you stopped by.[tup][;)]
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Guess you've all noticed that we don't have an evening menu - sandwiches 'round the clock and of course the bar pretzels, peanuts and trail mix doesn't quit. Even have some fresh hard boiled eggs in the back ........

See ya'all in the AM![tup][;)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:43 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Hey Rob!

Thanx for popping in ....... we start serving lunch in about an hour from the time you sat on that stool ..... check out the menu - sandwiches are ample and made from only the freshest lunch meats in town. Cheeses are cut in the back room - need a mask back there, especially with the empty kegs, etc.! Would gag a healthy maggot, someone said one day. Still hungry?

Anyway, that site you mentioned is pretty interesting. What's your connection with the museum? Sure don't know why traction, if indeed it's "classic", cannot be included in our discussions ...... GO FOR IT!

Stick around![tup][;)]


Well I don't generally eat lunch meat the dr frowns on that but what the hey once in a while won't kill me much. Axctually this is the museum that the wife and I are card carrying members of. This year is it's 51st season.Heather's mom and dad have been members for 32 years and heathers been there since she could crawl.I've been a member for almost 4 years now.I'm on the operating crews I run the cars or conduct we also help out in the shops keeping things humming along.The museu was started to save two old ttc relics which were going to be scrapped and it's snowballed from there. Close to 100 pieces of electric railway equipment and a few buses and non street car railway equipment as well. One big artifact we have is CN's ex Grand trunk Rockwood station which we had moved to the museum in 1972. We have three cars barns and are working on raising the final funds for #4 which if you go to the museum site you can read up on. It will be called the Sir Adam Beck centre in honour of Ontario hydros first chairman who was also a major propnent of electric interurban systems and helped found several. A large portion of our operating and non operating fleet is TTC but we have equipment from the City of London(ontario) Hamilton, Guelph, Oshawa. as well as interurban equipment from the Montreal and Southern Counties the London and Port Stanley. The Grand River railway and the Lake erie and Northern. We even have an old Chicago "L" car for giggles. Anyone interested in more info please hit oursite ior ask away I'll be happy to attempt to answer. Better yet come see us and ride the cars. Until later Rob
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Posted by West Coast S on Friday, April 15, 2005 10:46 AM
I'll lend my experiences on Beaumont Hill, back not too long ago it was the place. It was where helpers were added or dropped in addition to a Intact water tank and helper wye until the yellow machine came along and razed and realigned.

This was grade that SP had to contend with out of West Colton on the Sunset Route with a single track rolling profile all the way to Indio, 10-15 units on a train were not uncommon, placed midtrain or on the rear or both in addition to the front set to tackle the 2%+ grades with the usual SP tradition of running the longest, heaviest trains possible on a tight schedule. The GE units reigned supreme on the Sunset route, U33Cs, U25Bs, U30Bs were all assigned this district. Spent many a hour on that hill back in the day... Well enough from me, time to refresh my coffee for the day ahead.

I'll let Espeefoamer give you the word on the Kaiser operation.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 15, 2005 11:52 AM
say "bar keeper" I'm not sure this is such a nice place. You know what Yogi Berra use to say about certain establishments. " Must not be a good place. nobody goes there anymore more,because the place is always crowded." I'LL give it a try though as long as there's no cover charge. Easter
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 15, 2005 12:52 PM
G'day Gents (don't see any Ladies)!

Things were a bit slow this morning, so I took care of some chores that have been piling up at home ...... never know what the weekends will bring, so best to get rid of the "excess" before Saturday arrives.

Check out the lunch menu ...... pretty much stays the same, but always fresh!

You newcomers are most welcome and the first one is on the house![tup]

I'm seeing more and more visitors passing up the opportunity to vote ..... that means perhaps the "opening" thread isn't getting the point across, or ....... oh well. Can't make the horse drink the water, only can lead him to it .......[}:)]

Let's see what the discussions have been since last night:

QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 14 Apr 2005, 23:43:34
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo
Hey Rob!
Thanx for popping in ....... we start serving lunch in about an hour from the time you sat on that stool ..... check out the menu - sandwiches are ample and made from only the freshest lunch meats in town. Cheeses are cut in the back room - need a mask back there, especially with the empty kegs, etc.! Would gag a healthy maggot, someone said one day. Still hungry?

Anyway, that site you mentioned is pretty interesting. What's your connection with the museum? Sure don't know why traction, if indeed it's "classic", cannot be included in our discussions ...... GO FOR IT!

Stick around!
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Well I don't generally eat lunch meat the Dr frowns on that but what the hey once in a while won't kill me much.

Actually this is the museum that the wife and I are card carrying members of. This year is it's 51st season. Heather's mom and dad have been members for 32 years and Heathers been there since she could crawl. I've been a member for almost 4 years now. I'm on the operating crews I run the cars or conduct. We also help out in the shops keeping things humming along.

The museum was started to save two old ttc relics which were going to be scrapped and it's snowballed from there. Close to 100 pieces of electric railway equipment and a few buses and non street car railway equipment as well. One big artifact we have is CN's ex Grand trunk Rockwood station which we had moved to the museum in 1972. We have three cars barns and are working on raising the final funds for #4 which if you go to the museum site you can read up on. It will be called the Sir Adam Beck centre in honour of Ontario hydros first chairman who was also a major propnent of electric interurban systems and helped found several.

A large portion of our operating and non operating fleet is TTC but we have equipment from the City of London(ontario) Hamilton, Guelph, Oshawa. as well as interurban equipment from the Montreal and Southern Counties the London and Port Stanley. The Grand River railway and the Lake Erie and Northern. We even have an old Chicago "L" car for giggles.

Anyone interested in more info please hit oursite ior ask away I'll be happy to attempt to answer. Better yet come see us and ride the cars. Until later Rob


As always, Thanx Rob! Your contributions are the kind we are looking for and I knew that you'd be one of the first in "Our Place" to kick this thing off ...... As we've discussed by e-mail, once my bride and I return to Toronto and hook up with you and Heather - the museum will have to be on the "list" of all the things we want to do. {tup][;)]

QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: Today, 10:46:52
I'll lend my experiences on Beaumont Hill, back not too long ago it was the place. It was where helpers were added or dropped in addition to a Intact water tank and helper wye until the yellow machine came along and razed and realigned.

This was grade that SP had to contend with out of West Colton on the Sunset Route with a single track rolling profile all the way to Indio, 10-15 units on a train were not uncommon, placed midtrain or on the rear or both in addition to the front set to tackle the 2%+ grades with the usual SP tradition of running the longest, heaviest trains possible on a tight schedule. The GE units reigned supreme on the Sunset route, U33Cs, U25Bs, U30Bs were all assigned this district. Spent many a hour on that hill back in the day... Well enough from me, time to refresh my coffee for the day ahead.

I'll let Espeefoamer give you the word on the Kaiser operation.


Thanx for the insight - those "U-boats" were great train watching loco's ...... I've got a couple of 'em in my "retired" display cases from a previous HO layout - which is the next-best-thing to seeing 'em for real.

The coffee pot is always fresh and go ahead - take a large cup with you. Appreciate your "business"!![tup][;)]

QUOTE: easter Posted: 15 Apr 2005, 11:52:01
say "bar keeper" I'm not sure this is such a nice place. You know what Yogi Berra use to say about certain establishments. " Must not be a good place. nobody goes there anymore more,because the place is always crowded." I'LL give it a try though as long as there's no cover charge. Easter


Well, Easter[#welcome] anyway. Not really sure just what you said - but if you know what you meant - that's good with me.

Yogi Berra? Ha - I can tell YOU stories about Lawrence "Larry" Berra from "The Hill" right here in St. Louis ....... But my memories go to NYC when he was perhaps one of the best catchers in baseball - the Yanks of the '50's ..... Oh, yeah, I know about Yogi .......

Cover charge? Only for people who can't take the hint to not let the door hit 'em in the caboose!

Should you take the time to stop in again - the vote closes at noon on Tuesday April 19th. What's your pleasure?

See ya![tup][;)]
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One thing I'm wondering about is, are there any RDC fans out there? I've always enjoyed them - real or model. Now, I know that in the history of railroading, these Budd Rail Diesel Cars were "the last gasp" for the passenger railroads and their trunk lines. I also know that some roads passed 'em by, whereas others thrived, for awhile, with them. Love 'em or hate 'em - they are a huge part of passenger railroading history in the U.S. and Canada. In fact VIA Rail of Canada still operates a few ....... Up until a couple of years ago, BC Rail in British Columbia, Canada, also had a great operating route from N. Vancouver to Prince George. But all of that is gone, gone, gone. The cars? Dispersed to the four corners of the railroad world ......

Sure would like to have someone come in with some stories about the RDC!

See y'all real soon ......[tup][;)]

Tom in Chesterfield, MO, USA (Siberianmo)
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Posted by CFournier on Friday, April 15, 2005 2:16 PM
West Coast S,
My sources says WP # 34 was 2-8-0 consolidation, and I think the Mikados where numbered in the 300's ? Am I right?
How about branch lines South of Frisco? Or north of SF ? I saw a picture of a small WP train with a Consolidation pulling a combination and a heavyweight on a branch line.
I'll have a Geary's Pale Ale if you have any Tom...
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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 15, 2005 2:48 PM
Hey Chris! Nice to see you again ...... one Geary's coming right up ...... frosty bottle of Ale ...... delivery just got here from Portland, Maine. Nice choice!

My favorite is Alexander Keith's Pale Ale from Halifax, Nova Scotia ...... like it especially while traveling on board the "Ocean," sitting in the Park Car dome - ummmmm, great way to enjoy a fine brew![;)] As a matter of fact, in about three weeks, I'll be doing that very thing while heading "home" to see family and friends for our "annual" visit .........

Regarding your comments - I'll keep to tending bar on that one ... I really don't like jumping in when I'm not at all familiar with the subject matter! Best to opine when you understand what's being discussed - wouldn't you agree?

Stay awhile![tup][;)]

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Posted by coalminer3 on Friday, April 15, 2005 3:05 PM
One of my favorite Berraisms - "Ninety percent of the game is half mental."

Now, let's move on to RDCs.

When I was growing up in the frozen north, the Boston and Maine had commuter trains pulled by a fantastic variety of steam locomotives. Then came the diesels and we saw locomotive hauled trains pulled by GP7s and RS3s (I am sure there are a few out there who'll remember the B&Ms maroon and gold color scheme.) The RDCs came after that, and IIRC, the B&M had the largest fleet of RDCs anywhere.

As a sidebar, Boston and the RDC have a long history as some of the first RDCs ran on the Boston and Albany - they were called "Beeliners." The New Haven had an extensive fleet of RDCs as well including the "Roger Williams" which had RDC cab units; the "Roger" survived throught the Penn Central days and onto Amtrak. I had the good fortune to have a cab ride on this beast from Boston to Springfield and on to New Haven; an interesting trip. I believe it's been preserved and is undergoing restoration.

The B&M had all models of RDCs; 1s, 2s,3s,4,s and 9s and they ran all over the system. I'm reaching back again, but IIRC, the RDC4s were the model with the RPO compartment. I rode on one of them on a trip from Vermont back to Boston. The RPO was long gone, but it was interesting to see what had once been there.

The Lexington Branch of the B&M (which is now a !@#$ bicycle path) provided a most interesting RDC trip. The branch's track was questionable in spots, and the RDC gave the impression of being on boat rolling in a good sea. Once you got off the main line, a ride on the branch became more like a time machine as there were certain crossings that had to be flagged by the train crew and some really interesting stations including a depot with a wooden train shed (Lexington). Many of the buildings along the branch have been saved and are being used for other purposes. The station in Bedford, MA has a B&M RDC on display along with an ongoing project to reconstruct part of the B&B which was a 2' gauge operation.

The RDC was a utilitarian machine, at least on the B&M; walkover seats, vinyl covered and a tile floor. They could get noisy now and then (sort of like a bus on steroids), but thay had good acceleration and rode pretty well once they got up to track speed.

I hope this is enough to get you started on RDCs. BTW, the C&Os U25Bs ran out their last days, virtually going by the house - you always knew when they were coming; some stories, there, too, if anybody's interested...

BTW, Siberiamo, appreciate the comments on WV. I'm at the opposite end of the state - blessed to be in former C&O, VGN, N&W, K&M and KGJ&E country. The terrain here is mostly vertical but we have good fishing.

My vote goes to Place#1 - any Friday evening specials for the workin' folks? Place #1 looks like they'd cash a check as long as you bought a round. Now let's move the pool tables out front.

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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 15, 2005 4:34 PM
Hey Coalminer - now that's talkin' RDC's![tup][yeah]

I can relate to the B&M's RDC's - used to commute in from Melrose, Mass. to North Station back in 1967-70. I lived within walking distance of the station and it was GREAT - those memories of the morning commute really aren't bad at all - now the trips home - that's another story!

North Station had a popular "water hole" called the "Iron Horse" - located beneath the "Gahdens." So, from time to time, I would get "Shanghied" into having "just one more" in that place ....... always made the next-to-next-to last train home! (Before someone decides that I'm really a "sot," ain't true - just would stop off with the "boyz" now and then - a few brews, a trainride - hey - life was good!

Moved down to Dedham and that was the end of my RDC (and "Iron Horse") days! Left the Bay Area in 1973, not to return again (except for plane changes at Logan on the way to Nova Scotia ........).

Now - you just happened to "hit" it right - tonight is pizza night! Yeah - my buddy is a great chef and makes NY style pizza (is there any other kind?) - the best part is that it's on the house - the first 8 slices that is![:D]

Sorry, the pool tables remain where they are until one minute after noon on Tuesday the 19th ... voting closes at noon. [:(] Looks like it's a "no brainer" for #1 ....

Another thing - I'm a bit familiar with Huntington, WVa - used to have "business" on the river back in the late 70's to mid-80's ....... Nice town, great people ......

Thanx for coming back and your vote is in the jar ......

Check cashing services? Hmmmmmmm - just for "regulars" and buying a round is a great idea![tup]

See ya![tup][[;)]

Tom (Siberianmo)
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:31 AM
Good Morning! Our first Saturday and this place is too quiet ....... just fed the "juke" with a handful of quarters .. got some Johnny Cash playing "Orange Blossom Special." Think I'll play a bunch of his songs ...... just love the lyrics ..... "Hey Porter" is next ... then, "Ride This Train," then ........... hey, some Willie Nelson should "work" - "City of New Orleans"![;)]

Okay ... so I left off about RDC's and see no reason why this can't continue ....

BC Rail's all RDC consist, just has to be a "classic" -

Back in march of 1999, my wife and I, along with another couple, were visiting Vancouver, BC and on what was supposed to be an "off day" - (they do what they want, we do what we want), I looked into booking a trip aboard BC Rail's "Cariboo Prospector" (that IS the way they spelled it) from North Vancouver to Lillooet, BC. The round trip was to take the entire next day with a 7 AM departure and return at 9 PM.

When the other couple found out what I had in mind, they too wanted to come along. So, I booked the four tickets and off we went.

The consist awaiting us that chilly March morning was four RDC's - from my pictures, it appears that we had two RDC3's and two RDC1's. The livery was the blue/white striped with blue red heralds.

For those who may not know, an RDC3 was designed as a combined passenger, bagage-express, and mail car. Over the years, BC Rail (formerly Pacific Great Eastern Railway) had these cars "rehabed" to provide a food prepration area in the baggage area. The coach portions were outfitted to include swing down tray tables (similar but larger that what the airlines use) along with much more comfortable seating than I recall when commuting aboard the Boston & Maine's RDC's back in the 1960's.

The RDC1 was initially designed to seat 89 passengers. BC Rail's version appeared to be about the same, but with the upgraded seating.

Our seats were in the RDC3 for both legs of the journey.

That morning was a gloomy, low overhanging cloudy start to the day. As we wound our way out of North Vancouver and followed the route to Squamish, I was a bit saddened that my wife would not get the beautiful view of the inlets off of Howe Sound. Really a picturesque place to see ......

From the train at Squamish we could see the industry of the area along with a couple of steam loco's (and I'm sure many of you will provide commentary on those!!). As I recall, only a relative handful boarded and off we continued to Whistler, gaining elevation as we got into the mountains.

What scenery! This was becoming a great day - as the sky cleared up almost as soon as we got into higher elevations. Waterfalls, gorges, cascading mountains - all of it at about 8 mph - as the engineer slowed the train to permit picture taking. Really something to see and keep etched in the memory banks (and of course, photo albums!).

We had about a 10 minute stop at Whistler - so I got off the train with my friend's wife (who was in dire need of a cigarette) whereas I wanted to snap some photo's of the RDC's (what else!). Surprise, surprise! There was about 4 feet of snow awaiting us - of course the platform was cleared - but the snow was all around us. Absolutely wonderful to see and experience - and the temperatrues were more than tolerable. I wanted to stick around a bit, but the RDC's sounded the horn and we climbed back on board.

Now, I could go on and on and on about everything we saw along the way to Lillooet, but let me just say that the descriptions would somehow all sound alike - breathtaking, beautiful, stunning, great, fantastic, etc. ......

About 45 minutes south of Lillooet, we passed by two large glacial lakes - Anderson and Seton lakes. With sheer cliffs dropping nearly straight down to the water, we all marveled at just how those mountain goats managed to get where they were (much less back to where they came from)!! Unbelievable. Each lake has a story connected with it - perhaps for another session (unless someone wants to "jump" in to expound on them a bit ......[:)])

Lillooet sits in a valley and the town is within reasonable walking distance from the train station, which by the way is a great place to see. We had about 2 hours before the return trip, so we headed into town to see the sites.

We learned that Lillooet's history really goes back to the "gold rush" days when this was the staging area for the hordes of people heading north to stake their claims. We also met some very friendly and forthcoming folks who were more than willing to answer the questions so many had. My wife and I decided to hike up one of the hills - all developed - just to get some photo's looking down on the town. Glad we did, for those pictures really are now keepsakes. One of the people we met came out of her house and asked if we had "see the bear?" Hmmmmmm - apparently there had been a bear meandering around, but had not been seen for about an hour or so. That was comforting[:0]

The return trip was also something to remember, but alas, much of it was in dusk then darkness. The meal served on board and at our seats was fantastic. We had a choice of entrees and the food was plentiful, hot, and tasty. Forgot to say the same about our breakfast .......

Well, BC Rail no longer runs those RDC's or anything else. The trains all the way to Prince George (Lillooet is about half way) no longer run. Sad times for many along the route. I know, from friends we have in BC, that it was a heated debate right up until CN took over ...... The RDC's? Well, they've been "dispersed," another way of saying "sold" and from the best of what I've been able to ascertain - have all seen much better times. A couple have been relegated to tourism trains in the U.S., others as spare parts, and one or two either have or are supposed to wind up in a RR museum. There had been a rumor that VIA Rail wanted to purchase them, for the "Malahat," but apparently that fell through - budgets being what they always are - "insuffient"![:(]

So, that's it! Another chapter in riding Canadian Passenger Railroads (which is where this was first posted) comes to a close. But - wait, not so fast. My model railroad - Can-Am layout - has a mountain line. It is a point-to-point run, with LifeLike Proto 1000's RDC's in the BC Rail livery, making the run whenever I want them to! Even have mini-versions of Anderson and Seton Lakes! Check 'em out on my photo site - http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber
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Looks like a bunch of great looking gals are about to c'mon in ..... I'm sure they'd just love to talk "classic" trains![}:)]

See ya![tup][;)]

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Posted by csxt30 on Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:40 PM
Good afternoon Tom ! Think I'll just have a Cherry Coke if ya have it. How's the Polar Express runnin' ? Nice place you got here, been noticing it lately & saw you guys talking about the Beeliners. Don't know much about 'em, just that when I was a kid back in the 50's, my Dad and Mom & I would go to Niagara Falls on his vacation in the summer by train. He worked for the NYC & had the Golden pass, so we rode free I think. We would get on the train in Ashtabula, Oh, where we lived & then get on the Bee line in Bufallo the rest of the way to the falls. As I recall, I just was so fascinated with that ride on the Beeline, I talked about it all the time. It seemed like it was just so fast, boy, I sure loved that. The thing is, when I got older, I could never find out anything about it. I'm pretty sure they were RDC's or Budd cars though, & they were silver. Wonder if anyone else remembers them. Well, you have a nice day now, I'll be back if ya lay in the Cherry Coke, & I'll put in a quarter for the Orange Blossum Special! Thanks, John
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 16, 2005 4:56 PM
Hello from southwest Misery. I vote for place no.1. Seems like most everyone on this thread is from the east--have to speak up for the midwesterners. I am a volunteer on a tourist railroad and other preservation groups and have liked railroads all 42 years.
I'd like a tall, cold ice water with plenty of lemon, please.
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Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:19 PM
Seems like we have a nice gathering here on our first Saturday night ... since tomorrow is Sunday - "Our Place" will officially be closed - kind of like to keep that day for our faith and our families or to just take that one out of seven days "off"! [^]

But of course you may drop your messages through the mail slot in the door ... no problem! I'll be here bright 'n early on Monday to read 'em all![tup]

Looks like we have an abundance of ladies in the back room - perhaps when the train talk diminishes out here in the bar area, some of the guys will take note![;)]

Hope my ramblings about RDC's didn't put any of you to sleep ...... I could talk the ears off a brass monkey when it comes to that subject.[;)]

Well, let's see what's been said ......

QUOTE: csxt30 Posted: 16 Apr 2005, 13:40:29
Good afternoon Tom ! Think I'll just have a Cherry Coke if ya have it. How's the Polar Express runnin' ? Nice place you got here, been noticing it lately & saw you guys talking about the Beeliners. Don't know much about 'em, just that when I was a kid back in the 50's, my Dad and Mom & I would go to Niagara Falls on his vacation in the summer by train. He worked for the NYC & had the Golden pass, so we rode free I think. We would get on the train in Ashtabula, Oh, where we lived & then get on the Bee line in Bufallo the rest of the way to the falls. As I recall, I just was so fascinated with that ride on the Beeline, I talked about it all the time. It seemed like it was just so fast, boy, I sure loved that. The thing is, when I got older, I could never find out anything about it. I'm pretty sure they were RDC's or Budd cars though, & they were silver. Wonder if anyone else remembers them. Well, you have a nice day now, I'll be back if ya lay in the Cherry Coke, & I'll put in a quarter for the Orange Blossum Special! Thanks, John


[#welcome] John! Your Cherry Coke and first refill is on the house! Hope you like bottled soda pop - that's the way we serve it along with a frosty mug.

I just checked out the Bee Line - really didn't know anything about it! Quite a history and this Internet "thing" is great for quickly locating info ....... So, through a series of mergers, the Bellefontaine became known as "The Bee Line," yes? Looks like a mid-western RR. If so, what's the connection with the B&M? More than one RR claiming that moniker?? More info, anyone, please!

Polar Express is running fine, thanx! The shelf system is nearly complete, only requires just a touch of landscaping and placement of 100 trees with the "snow treatment" I'm giving them. New pictures should be on my photo album next week ...... When the grandkids see it, they'll love it for sure ....... ![tup][;)]

Oh, didn't I mention that our juke box plays 5 songs for a quarter! [yeah][wow]

By the way, where's your vote?

Thanx for coming in![tup][;)]

QUOTE: earlydiesels Posted: 16 Apr 2005, 16:56:04
Hello from southwest Misery. I vote for place no.1. Seems like most everyone on this thread is from the east--have to speak up for the midwesterners. I am a volunteer on a tourist railroad and other preservation groups and have liked railroads all 42 years.
I'd like a tall, cold ice water with plenty of lemon, please.


[#welcome] neighbor! We've got more than a couple of "customers" from other than the "right" coast. There's you - there's me - there's one from Ontario - there's another from Quebec - one from Ohio - there's two from California - there's another from West Virginia ....... and one from Michigan and more (if guys would update their profiles!) ..... hmmmmmmmm.

Better watch that cold ice water w/lemon! Too much will do you in![;)]

The idea of "Our Place" is to share some stories and thoughts regarding "classic" trains ..... bet you have a bunch! Looking forward to "hearing" about them .........[tup]

Thanx for stopping in and hope you become a "regular"![tup][;)]
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See y'all on Monday!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:26 PM
Guess Im late.........

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