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Peter Witt streetcars that are not PCCs

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, October 24, 2021 11:00 AM

Eric Oszustowicz indicates the 1st photo is at Franklin (with the tracks, and one block south of Crown Street.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, October 24, 2021 10:37 PM

And the second is actually on Nostrand Avenue, just north of a the single-switch connection to the single-track Holy Cross Cemetary Shuttle line, the car will rubn through a crossover and head to the carhouse.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, October 25, 2021 9:47 AM

further corrections by fellow ERA members:

 
Attachments3:05 PM (2 hours ago)
 
 
The Holy Cross Cemetary car returning to thr Carhouse is at Rockaway & Hegeman,
near the Carhouse.
The car on the Lorimer Lineis at Franklin and Montgomery, one block north of Franklin
and Crown, and the northeast corner of Prospect Park.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, November 29, 2021 7:34 AM

Russ Jackson sent this pre-WWII photo that was in Bill Madden's collection at 39th styreet near 2nd Avenue.  The South Brooklyn thread at Trains has a an SB freight at this location, also pre-WWII and  from Russ.  This streetcar is probably on the Church Avenue Line.  

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, December 7, 2021 1:41 AM
From WikipediaL

Fort Greene is a neighborhood in the northwestern part of the New York City borough of Brooklyn. The neighborhood is bounded by Flushing Avenue and the Brooklyn Navy Yard to the north, Flatbush Avenue Extension and Downtown Brooklyn to the west, Atlantic Avenue and Prospect Heights to the south, and Vanderbilt Avenue and Clinton Hill to the east. The Fort Greene Historic District is listed on the New York State Registry and on the National Register of Historic Places, and is a New York City designated historic district.

The neighborhood is named after an American Revolutionary War era fort that was built in 1776 under the supervision of General Nathanael Greene of Rhode Island.[4] General Greene aided General George Washington during the Battle of Long Island in 1776. Fort Greene Park, originally called "Washington Park" is Brooklyn's first. In 1864, Fort Greene Park was redesigned by Frederick Law Olmsted and Calvert Vaux; the park notably includes the Prison Ship Martyrs' Monument and crypt, which honors some 11,500 patriots who died aboard British prison ships during the American Revolution.

Fort Greene contains many examples of mid-19th century Italianate and Eastlake architecture, most of which is well preserved. It is known for its many tree-lined streets and elegant low-rise housing. Fort Greene is also home to the Williamsburgh Savings Bank Tower, which, for over 80 years, was the tallest building in Brooklyn.[5] The neighborhood is close to the Atlantic Terminal station of the Long Island Rail Road and has access to many New York City Subway services.

On DeKalb Avenue, looking SE toward Fort Greene Park:

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
   
   
   
   
   
 
   
 
   
   
 
   
   
   
   
   
 
   
   
   
   
   

 

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, March 13, 2022 8:07 AM

Double-end Peter Witt is on the Coney Iskland - Bay Ridge Line  on 86th St., looking east on 86th St. toward New trecht Avenue, with the West End line above.   The Loews Theater is Still there, no longer a movie theater.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:59 PM

the 8590's were originally regular one-man doeble-end steel safety cars with the Peter Witt door arrangement like all other 8000=series Brooklym streetcars.

But in the late 1920's they received an added feature which shifted them to single-end operating lines.  Qestion One:  What was this featre?

Here the car is at a stub-end gterminal.  The feature was not required on a fan-trip, ao tasking a  car normally assigned to lines with loops at both ends to lines requiring double-end cars was a drawer for this fan-trip.

Where is this photo location?

Theline did once have a loop here.  Who was respomsible for the lkoop's removal an d greater inconvenirnce to people using the facility that might wish to arrive or leave by streetcar?

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Posted by daveklepper on Saturday, June 25, 2022 3:19 PM

The photo is on the 92nd Street, Queens, bridge over the Grand Central Parkway, the stub-end  terminal of the Grand Avenue Line, after Mayor LaGuardia forced the streetcars off the convenient loop they had in front of the "New York Municipasl Airport" (later LaGuuardia) Main Building.  The 8500s, unlike 8000 - 8499, had a turnstyle at one end for rapid loadind with single-end operation, so only a fan-trip saw them on lines requiring double enders.  (You can see a more modern turnstyle in the restored PCC 1001 af Shore Line Trolley Museun.)   All cars for single-end operation in Brooklyn received turnstyles.

Another photo on the Grand Avenue line from the fan trip that used two cars, 8532 in the post-WWII green-and-silver exterior, and 8525 in the pre-WWII maroon-and-cream.

Then to the Graham Avenue line, the Manhaat Avenue - Vernon Avene bridge to L. I. City, the loop there, and a waterfront view of the Eastern Distrct Terminal's LI City yard with the Manhattan skyline behind iL

 

 

 

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, July 1, 2022 9:29 AM

Showing the relationshipo of  the streetcar loop  to the waterfront.  The 4100 converted to single-end -with turnstyle was substituting for the usual 6000 single-end Peter Witt on the Crosstiown Line, bout 8000s were used as frequebntly as 6000s on the Grahaqm Line to Williamsburg Plaza.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, September 4, 2022 4:19 PM

The 5000s werwe the first steel Brooklyn streetcars. after 3557, the prototype, center entrance photo provided by Nate Gerstein.  Originally, they were center-door entrance-and-exit, two-man cars, but were made into double-end Peter Witts by installing doors into slised-off right corners.  The 5100s (originaly 6000s) were sinilar doublr-end trailees, but wpth deck-roofs matching the motor cars that hauked them.  Half of this fleet, 50 cars, were converted to singke-end Peter Wiits,

 

 

 

 

 

  

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, September 5, 2022 2:03 AM

The first photo in the previous post was edited from one supplied by Nate Gerstein. The second and third lightly edited photos supplied by James Greller, who authored and co-authored excellent books on Brooklyn rail transit.  The last two are mine, of cars awaiting scapping at Coney Island  Yard iun 1947.

The 5000s and 5100s were t5he only type of Brooklyn streetcar that ran into WWII that I did not ride.I

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 9:01 PM

A Lorimer Line car followed by a 6000-single-end on the Crosstown Line.  Rich Allman contributed to the photo restoration.  It would be wonderful if some readers identified 8368'd operator and the policeman and were able to give the photo to the families.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 1:49 PM

A small coorrection to the avove phutu shows faintly a distant high-rise.

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