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Posted by rcdrye on Saturday, November 12, 2022 7:35 PM

Two of the heavyweight Pullmans assigned to this jointly operated train each had names which contained the participating railroads' signature streamlined train name.

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Posted by NP Eddie on Saturday, November 12, 2022 3:45 PM

RC has the correct answer and gets the next question.

 

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Posted by rcdrye on Saturday, November 12, 2022 1:28 PM

Nickel Plates "City of" series of sleepers had some names overlap with PRR and NYCS  series of "City of" prewar 17 or 18 rmt cars (section 9, reserved for the porter, replaced roomette 9 on 17 rmt cars).  NKP's cars were designated as 150-151 (6DBR-lounge) and 200-212 (10 rmt 6 DBR), plus prewar Pullman 18 rmt pool cars 215 and 216 purchased by NKP in the Pullman breakup. The cars were also listed in the named car Pullman list.  Aside from the overlapped names and the other PRR and NYCS cars there was also a large series of  "City of" 10rmt 6DBR cars owned by C&O, many of which were sold to other railroads (IC, B&O, D&RGW) without ever being used by C&O.

Duplicates:

City of Cleveland (NKP 150, NYC 17 rmt)

City of Chicago (NKP 151, CCC&StL 17 rmt)

City of Buffalo (NKP 200, CCC&StL 17 rmt)

City of St. Louis (NKP 201, PRR 18 rmt)

City of Indianapolis (NKP 203, NYC 17 rmt)

City of Erie (NKP 205, PRR 18 rmt)

City of Toledo (NKP 206, NYC 17 rmt)

City of Peoria (NKP 207, NYC 18 rmt)

City of Fort Wayne (NKP 212, PRR 18 rmt)

 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, November 12, 2022 10:25 AM

The "City of" prefix was used to designate a specific floor plan, probably 10R-6DBR.  In the heavyweight era, the Pullman Company used numbers on tourist cars and all other sleeping, parlor and dining cars were designated by name only.

In the streamliner era, SP sleeping cars were later designated by number.

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Posted by NP Eddie on Friday, November 11, 2022 11:12 PM

Next question:

Some pre and post war Pullmans were pre-fixed "City of". A few had numbers for Pullman purposes and most had just their names?

 

Why?

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, November 10, 2022 3:06 PM

The New Haven's lsrge heavyweight paarlor-car fleet.  Someone else ask the next question.

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, November 4, 2022 4:11 AM

 

Until thne late 1949 replacement of these to-be commuter cars, the top train of this railroad was made up of these cars plus diner (sometimes two), lounge-obervation, and head-end cars.   At the time, an all First-Class train.

The one engine-change took five minutes.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, October 26, 2022 5:07 AM

The shorter of the two major long-distance services terminated in a station and on approach tracks owned by a second and much larger railroad without another engine or crew chqange to thiswv much larger railrad.  This city was the mid-pont of the second long-distance service, at a different station owned the conne3cting rsailroad and reached in part by a third railroad that owned no rolling vstock.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, October 24, 2022 2:44 AM

The commuter service for which these cars were re-seated was at one end of the long-distance services that these cars had seen.  The long distance service to one city terminal always involoved an engine change.  On the longer of the two major long-dstance services, ending at a more distant city. at one time four engine changes, then reduced to three.  The service operated Amtrak first had one engine change, none now. 

And Amtrak service is actually much better than when these cars were in ,.ong-distance servixce. 

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, October 17, 2022 3:30 PM

The connecting railroad that had these cars on its tracks in through service opoerated identacle cars in a different paint scheme.  On a relatively few o0ccasions, one could see both in the same train.  They were replaced by postwar lightweights. the cars. The cars they replaced included non-air-conditioned de-motored MUs that had provided an incomplete commuter service into a different city.

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Posted by daveklepper on Saturday, October 8, 2022 1:57 PM

The cars I am referring were transferred from the service for which they were built and especialy during WWIi saw occasional service on adjacent connecting railroads and had six-wheel trucks.   Most were built with ice air-conditioning as built, but converted to mechanical long before 1949.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, October 7, 2022 5:35 PM

B&O had some of the very newest cars from in the late '40s not specifically built for commuter service -- the ex-Cincinnatian cars in the Pittsburgh service in the '50s.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, October 7, 2022 10:19 AM

I went with B&O since they were one of the earliest users of air-conditioned passenger equipment.  I'm not familiar with the mechanical particulars of the cars in question.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, October 6, 2022 2:18 PM

You mat be right.  If your info is ptrcisem, desribe?  What typ;e of trucjs?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, October 6, 2022 10:19 AM

I'm going to go with Baltimore & Ohio.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, October 6, 2022 7:18 AM

Which Class One Railroad had the very oldest air--conditioned coaches in entirely in commuter service in rhw laye 1940s and early 1950s.

Hint  They were not built originally for commuter service.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, September 29, 2022 4:15 PM

So, to recap - NYC had tri-powers in New York (and later Detroit), a pair of dual-powers at LaSalle St, along with CRI&P's lone unit.  MC had four at Central in Chicago.  DL&W had a pair used in freeight service in the Hackensack Meadows.

Michigan Central's Wolverine was handled as an ordinary New York Central train at LaSalle St. beginning some time in the 1920s.  All other MC trains called Central home until 1958.

One of you guys should be able to come up with a question.  I have a couple in storage if nobody wants to ask.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:02 AM

Well, I had mentioned Michigan Central and its use  of dual-power at Central Sta., Chicago.  But for some time one Detroit - Chicago Train did use La Sallw Street, MC for a time used both stations and probably assdigned one of its dual powers at La Salle.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, September 10, 2022 9:48 PM

Not my question.  I referenced the Lackawanna for tri-powers.  The actual answer involves Michigan Central.

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, September 9, 2022 12:15 AM

I'll be happy to wait for Overmod's question

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, September 8, 2022 2:11 PM

MC 7530-7533 (later 563-566) were assigned to Central Station.  All four were retired before MC trains moved to LaSalle St.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, September 8, 2022 10:27 AM

Those dual-powers would have been assigned to the Big Four and/or Michigan Central.

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, September 7, 2022 11:25 AM

From Classic Trains "Birds Eye Views" approx. 1940.  Look next to the main station building.

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, September 7, 2022 8:00 AM

Remember that four of the NYCs units were assigned to one of the NYCS components.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, September 7, 2022 1:38 AM

A further thought, the B&O at both Mt. Royal and Camden Stations in Baltimore, with the electrification elsewhere being its Staten Island subsidiary.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, September 7, 2022 1:31 AM

So the other  railroad must be the IC itself, which did haveelectric freight switchws, and, of course, its electric suburban service is  still with us.

Or was there any railroad outside the IC itself and componants of the New  York Central System that used the IC's Central Station.  UI seem to recall that there vwas one other.  The B&O for a time while Grand Central was remodeled.  But the IC seems the obvious answer.

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, September 6, 2022 8:39 AM

At one of the two stations, the other railroad used electric and later diesel switchers to replace steam for switching.  The electric operation lasted only a few years in the intercity station itself but longer elsewhere.  NYC trains on the Big Four were handled by the other railroad as if they were their own, but with NYCS equipment.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, September 6, 2022 7:53 AM

I'm confused, obviously.  The same city must then e Chicago, since La Sall Street Station has been established as one location.  Michigan Central and the Big Four ran into the Illinois Central's Central Station, so that is the other locationj. andcthe Big Four (Chicago Cleveland Cincinnati & St. Louis?) the third railroad.

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, September 6, 2022 6:29 AM

Both locations where dual-powers were used were in the same city.

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