Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

[passengerfan]

Heres the list that I came up with.

PRR Southwind and various prewar Budd Dining Cars.

UP Pacific series sleepers Baggage 60'RPOs5903-5911 44-Seat Leg Rest Coaches 5508-5527

SP 44-Seat Leg Rest Coaches 2362,2363

KCS Tavern Lounge Observations ex NYC 48-51- KCS 44-47 later 40-43 after lunchg counter added

IC Ex MP Domes purchased by IC and also certain NP Dome sleepers repainted in wintermonths for IC City of Miami service.

NP Coach and Sleeper domes also Budd built dining cars for NCL

CB&Q owned dome sleepers and dome coaches painted for NCL also owned GN domes for Empire Builder service

SP&S owned NP dome coach and GN dome coach and also painted the NP dome coach into there awful color scheme.

MP Budd equipment assigned to Colorado Eagles and postwar dome coaches assigned to Clorado Eagles and Missouri River Eagle.

N&W sleepers 21 roomette

GN Dome Coaches and Full dome lounges for Empire Builder many of the cars also received Big Sky Blue scheme

BN At least one complete Empire Builder train set received the BN Green scheme.

Sort out who named the most and its there question next.

Al - in - Stockton 

[passengerfan]

passengerfan

Heres the list that I came up with.

PRR Southwind and various prewar Budd Dining Cars.

UP Pacific series sleepers Baggage 60'RPOs5903-5911 44-Seat Leg Rest Coaches 5508-5527

SP 44-Seat Leg Rest Coaches 2362,2363

KCS Tavern Lounge Observations ex NYC 48-51- KCS 44-47 later 40-43 after lunchg counter added

IC Ex MP Domes purchased by IC and also certain NP Dome sleepers repainted in wintermonths for IC City of Miami service.

NP Coach and Sleeper domes also Budd built dining cars for NCL

CB&Q owned dome sleepers and dome coaches painted for NCL also owned GN domes for Empire Builder service

SP&S owned NP dome coach and GN dome coach and also painted the NP dome coach into there awful color scheme.

MP Budd equipment assigned to Colorado Eagles and postwar dome coaches assigned to Clorado Eagles and Missouri River Eagle.

N&W sleepers 21 roomette

GN Dome Coaches and Full dome lounges for Empire Builder many of the cars also received Big Sky Blue scheme

BN At least one complete Empire Builder train set received the BN Green scheme.

Sort out who named the most and its there question next.

Al - in - Stockton 

After thinking on it overnight I came up with one more paint scheme the Executive Green was applied to at least one original GN full dome.

Al - in - Stockton

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

The NP dome sleepers were painted in IC chocolate and orange when they were assigned to the "City of Miami" during the winter months.

[ZephyrOverland]

I'm not sure if this would be an appropriate answer but the C&NW had an ex-PRR Budd sleeper in their business train fleet that was painted in the later C&NW paint scheme.

[Deggesty]

CSSHEGEWISCH

The NP dome sleepers were painted in IC chocolate and orange when they were assigned to the "City of Miami" during the winter months.

Also when they were used on the Panama Limited in the winter months (at least during the winter of '63-'64 and during the winter of  '64-65', ahen I had the pleasure of riding in them.

Johnny

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

CB&Q owned dome sleepers and dome coaches painted for NCL also owned GN domes for Empire Builder service

Even though I knew this, I totally overlooked the Q just because my brain said Q=stainless.

Sort out who named the most and its there question next.

That was a wonderfully fun question.  I think I had most, but I like hunting up the answers more than asking.  Many of us have had gotten to ask a lot of questions, so I was wondering if  AWP290 would like to ask one?  

[daveklepper]

I belive the PRR had two postwar twin-unit (three trucks, two car bodies or just a separate kitchen car, my memory falls short on telling me which) diners that saw sevice on the Broadway and other trains as well, both built by Budd and painted Tuscan red.   When Penn Central took over, they had the cars sandblasted to remove the paint, the thought being they could then look better when running with ex-NYC equipment as well as PRR.

The reason the NP Budd Slumbercoarches were not painted but left stainless is they were in pool service with the identacle CB&Q cars.   One could find an NP car on the Denver Zephyr headed for Colorado Springs and a CB&Q car running to Seattle.   This pool was set up to minimize idle time in Chicago.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Unpainted stainless steel Slumbercoaches also operated on B&O.

[Deggesty]

daveklepper

I belive the PRR had two postwar twin-unit (three trucks, two car bodies or just a separate kitchen car, my memory falls short on telling me which) diners that saw sevice on the Broadway and other trains as well, both built by Budd and painted Tuscan red. 

Dave, do you (or anyone else) have a picture of one of these twin units? Robert Wayner does not indicate that they were articulated. They were numbered (6 pairs of dining room car and kitchen-dormitory car) 4610-4611, 4614-4615, 4616-4617, 4618-4619, 4620-4621, and 4622-4623. So far as I remember, the SP was the only road that had articulated dining room-kitchen cars, all of which were built by Pullman. The 1940 Daylight had a coffee shop-kitchen-dining room set; the 1941 Morning Daylight also had three-unit sets--and the 1941 Lark had a dormitory kitchen-dining room-tavern lounge set. I saw one of the sets in Houston in October of 1971.

Johnny

[ZephyrOverland]

Deggesty

daveklepper

I belive the PRR had two postwar twin-unit (three trucks, two car bodies or just a separate kitchen car, my memory falls short on telling me which) diners that saw sevice on the Broadway and other trains as well, both built by Budd and painted Tuscan red. 

Dave, do you (or anyone else) have a picture of one of these twin units? Robert Wayner does not indicate that they were articulated. They were numbered (6 pairs of dining room car and kitchen-dormitory car) 4610-4611, 4614-4615, 4616-4617, 4618-4619, 4620-4621, and 4622-4623. So far as I remember, the SP was the only road that had articulated dining room-kitchen cars, all of which were built by Pullman. The 1940 Daylight had a coffee shop-kitchen-dining room set; the 1941 Morning Daylight also had three-unit sets--and the 1941 Lark had a dormitory kitchen-dining room-tavern lounge set. I saw one of the sets in Houston in October of 1971.

Johnny

 

Those PRR cars were not articulated.  I rode them on Amtrak's Broadway Limited in the summer of 1972 and saw another pair that was located at the Illinois Railway Museum for a short time.

[passengerfan]

The UP also had some articulated dining/Kitchen dorm cars prewar assigned to the Challengers later assigned postwar to the City of LA when that train first went daily. I don't remeber the numbers but it seems to me they were numbered in the 5100s. These operated on three trucks.

Al - in - Stockton

[Deggesty]

passengerfan

The UP also had some articulated dining/Kitchen dorm cars prewar assigned to the Challengers later assigned postwar to the City of LA when that train first went daily. I don't remeber the numbers but it seems to me they were numbered in the 5100s. These operated on three trucks.

Al - in - Stockton

You're right, Al. I jsut checked on these, and there were five of these articulated pairs--and one number was assigned to each pair, starting with 5100.

edit--add: They were built by Pullman.

Johnny

[passengerfan]

Deggesty

passengerfan

The UP also had some articulated dining/Kitchen dorm cars prewar assigned to the Challengers later assigned postwar to the City of LA when that train first went daily. I don't remeber the numbers but it seems to me they were numbered in the 5100s. These operated on three trucks.

Al - in - Stockton

You're right, Al. I jsut checked on these, and there were five of these articulated pairs--and one number was assigned to each pair, starting with 5100.

edit--add: They were built by Pullman.

Johnny

I guess we are waiting for the next question forget who's turn it is.

Al - in - Stockton

[Deggesty]

passengerfan

I guess we are waiting for the next question forget who's turn it is

Al, Texas Zepher gave us four names at 11:06 pm on 10-19. I am not sure you should count the IC's painting the borrowed dome cars since they were all returned to the NP (and then repainted in the NP colors, at the IC's expense), but you did name the IC as painting the cars it bought from the MP. The greatest number named by anyone else was 2.

Johnny

[Texas Zepher]

 

Deggesty

passengerfan

I guess we are waiting for the next question forget who's turn it is

Texas Zepher gave us four names at 11:06 pm on 10-19. I am not sure you should count the IC's painting the borrowed dome cars since they were all returned to the NP (and then repainted in the NP colors, at the IC's expense), but you did name the IC as painting the cars it bought from the MP. The greatest number named by anyone else was 2.

Yeah my count was as follows:

Texas Zepher - in first post NP, SP, MP, GN, IC   Then guessed NYC so that is -1, then SP&S, CN, Alaska  and wondered if modern roads NYS&W, Conrail, NS, and BN executive counted.

CSSHEGEWISCH - PRR, KCS

AWP209 - L&N  

Zephyr Overland - UP, N&W 

But then I pointed out that many of us have all asked lots of questions and wondered if AWP209 would like to.   Seeing no response in a couple days, to keep it active,  I wonder if we can try something a little different.  This is normally meant for just two people, but lets see how it works.... 

20 questions.  I am thinking of a train, what train is it?
 

 

[passengerfan]

Was it a pre-Amtrak western train?

Al - in - Stockton

[Texas Zepher]

 That is actually two questions - but the answer is Yes.   The theme of the thread dictates the pre-Amtrak part.

[passengerfan]

Was one of its terminals in California?

Al - in - Stockton

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

Was one of its terminals in California?

Yes  (2)

[passengerfan]

Texas Zepher

passengerfan

Was one of its terminals in California?

Yes  (2)

Was it a WP train?

Al - in - Stockton

[al-in-chgo]

Was its other terminal in Chicago? 

 

 

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

Was it a WP train?

No (3)

[Texas Zepher]

al-in-chgo

Was its other terminal in Chicago?

Yes (4)

[KCSfan]

Was it a streamlined train?

Mark

[passengerfan]

Did it operate over more than one RR between Chicago and California?

Al - in - Stockton

[Texas Zepher]

KCSfan

Was it a streamlined train?

No (5)

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

Did it operate over more than one RR between Chicago and California?

No (6)

[KCSfan]

Was it the Santa Fe's Grand Canyon?

Mark

[passengerfan]

Lets see if it only travled over one RR between Chicago and LA it has to be the Santa Fe and since it is not a streamlined train are we talking about the Santa Fe Deluxe?

Al - in - Stockton

[ZephyrOverland]

 Was it the California Limited?