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Posted by FRRYKid on Sunday, November 12, 2023 11:08 PM

Shot in the dark but that both of those locomotive classes converted the AC to DC to run the locomotives. (Yes, I did have to look that fact up.)

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, November 13, 2023 2:00 AM

The NYNH&H EP-2s and the CMStP&P Little-Joes both used pantographs for current collection.  But the EP-2s contacted 11000-volts 25Hz AC, and the Joes 3000-volts DC.  The EP-2s also had  600-volts DC 3rd-rail capability.

 

Both had cabs at both ends,  But the EP-32s were box-cabs, and  the Joes streamlined-with nose, much like most passenger diesels,  but at both ends.

 

Both used commutator motors.  The EP-2s could run on 25Hz AC as well as DC, but the Joes only saw DC.

 

Both had six powered axles, articulated to two frames. But the EP-2s were 1-C-1+1-C-1 and the Joes 2-C+C-2. Four later NYNH&H electric classes, EP-3, EP-4, and EF-3 had the Joes’ arrangement.

 

Both had boilers  for steam heating pasenger equipment.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, November 13, 2023 10:03 AM

None of the locomotives mentioned in my question were equipped with steam generators for passenger service.  Also, MILW electrification was 3000 volts DC.  MILW E20-E21 had boilers taking up one of the cabs.  Hardware is not involved in my question.

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, November 13, 2023 4:49 PM

Way over-thinking this.  New Haven's ex-Virginian rectifiers and Milwaukee's freight Little Joes are EF-4 class on their respective railroads.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 1:01 AM

Didn't know that the cex-Virginian rectifiers took numbrers that had  been used by bthe EP-2, which had been a scrapped when the EMD FL-9s arrived.  However, the rlevent EP-2s did have a  zero in front, 0300. 0301, etc.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 10:01 AM

rcdrye

Way over-thinking this.  New Haven's ex-Virginian rectifiers and Milwaukee's freight Little Joes are EF-4 class on their respective railroads.

 
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Posted by rcdrye on Saturday, November 18, 2023 3:54 PM

Two railroads bought four passenger locomotives to power two trains, a day train and a night train that followed a slightly differnt route.  Both trains crossed the border three times before reaching their final destinations.  After the trains were discontinued, at least as locomotive-hauled trains, some of the locomotives were assigned to a train that crossed the border twice between its endpoints.

Railroads and locomotive types, and of course train names.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, November 19, 2023 7:56 AM

One border?  Between states or oprovinces or countries?

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, November 19, 2023 3:25 PM

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One border?  Between states or oprovinces or countries?

 

That's the question.  One of the railroads owned 3 of the passenger engines, the other one.  In each case the engines were the only ones of that model owned by the railroads, though the one that bought one had many of a similar type.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, November 20, 2023 5:11 AM

Well, then you must be referring to the USA-Canadian border, and althogh I rode both the Alouette, the  day train, and the Red Wing (at times combined with The New-Englander betwee Concord and Boston), the night train, I did not know or did not remermber that the border was  crossed three  times, not just once.  B&M received just one E-8, the last of an order for E-7s.  The CP got three E-8s.  All four were in pool service, runnig through as the Pacifics did, on the two above CP-B&M trains, Montreal - Boston.  (The New Englander was the CN-B&M Montreal - Boston train,),  The B&M E-8 was kept on the two trains, while  the CP's frequently saw Montreal - Toronto service.

When the Red Wing was discontinued and the Alouette went to B&M and CP RDCs MUed together, the CP's were moved to Toronto - Detroit service,  B&M's last stand for E-7s and the E-8 was Springfield - White River Junction on the Montreallar-Washingtonian.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, November 20, 2023 10:44 AM

CP E-8s also ran Montreal - New Brunzwick, crossing the border twice,

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, November 20, 2023 7:07 PM

Got 'em all.  The E8s were all U.S. built (like many CP units assigned to the Vermont lines and the International of Maine.

The line crossed into Quebec just north of Troy VT, then dropped back acoss the border to serve Richford VT.  The line west of Newport is owned by CPKC today.

Most of B&M's E7s and the E8 were sold to other railroads in the early 1960s.  The Conn River Line finished with F7s and GP9s.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, November 21, 2023 5:00 AM

And one Alco RS-3  (Ambassador to GCT)

 

One railroad, Class I, USA. advertised itself as the railroad of a specific Presidernt.  But that President neither saw nor rode nor invested in that railroad.   (But most-likely,  his life-after-death Spirit......)     Explain, please, in addition to naming the railroad and the President.

 

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, November 21, 2023 8:22 AM

Would this be Chesapeake and Ohio with 'George Washington's Railroad'?

Had to do with surveying.  (See 'Richmond & Alleghany' low-grade line...)

(And, by 1890, probably desire to one-up the B&O...)

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, November 21, 2023 2:17 PM

Correct.  Can you spare readers the nead to look up the reference and present a summary?  And ask the nest question.

I had a hint prepared, one of the C&O's named trains. A very early application of air-conditioning and reclining seats in coaches.  (Which had six-wheel trucks).

 

 

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, November 21, 2023 8:15 PM

If I remember correctly, 1931 on C&O was the FIRST ice-activated air conditioning offered on regular railroad passenger cars (and that date might reflect testing for the George Washington train).

in brief, Washington was a surveyor for a canal company, that did not do well against early railroads but had a cracking good 'low-grade' routing (along rivers) when that came to be a desirable consideration in the late 1880s.  I will put together more detail when I have time.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, November 22, 2023 1:30 AM

I think Pullman was actually first, diners possibly as well as sleepers, but C&O had the first all-air-conditioned train, coaches and slerepers,  the George Washington, even beforr Pullman had air-conditioned a majority of its sleepers.  And the C&O then continued for the other two named trains, the Sportsman, anf the Fast Flying Virginian.

The B&O had all its "Royal Blue" Washington - Jersey City (trackside bus cionnection to Manhattan, 2 [or 3?] locations, and Brooklyn, 1), long before the PRR Washington-NY, which did it mostly post-WWII.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, November 22, 2023 6:58 AM

daveklepper
The B&O had all its "Royal Blue" Washington - Jersey City (trackside bus connection to Manhattan, 2 [or 3?] locations, and Brooklyn, 1), long before the PRR Washington-NY, which did it mostly post-WWII.

I used to know where the bus 'route' went in Manhattan -- for some reason I thought they got up to 5 routes at one point, three of which involved multiple hotels, and a couple of the stops going back were different from the ones going in (23rd St ferries?)

I could never really understand why 'checked baggage' through the Holland Tunnel right to your hotel wasn't an advantage over a one-seat ride to the bowels of Penn Station somewhere.  Of course I was only a year old when the party stopped.  I will say they missed the boat somewhat by not having more amenities on the buses to extend the 'experience' on the train -- this wasn't the same operating model as the NYW&B's use of last-mile 'transit'.

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, November 22, 2023 9:29 AM

B&O's 1948 OG listing shows 5 routes with a claim of 13 possible stops.  The map shows 16, because three of them are all served by the Grand Central Station stop, and two of the hotels are across the street from each other.  

Columbus Circle Station

Hotel Lincoln (45th and 8th)

Hotel New Yorker (34th and 8th)

Hotel Victoria (51st and 7th)

Hotel Taft (51st and 7th)

Pennsylvania Hotel (33rd and 7th, across the street from Penn Station)

Governor Clinton Hotel (29th and 7th)

McAlpin Hotel (34th and Broadway)

Rockefeller Center Station (49th St)

Grand Central Terminal

Hotel Commodore (42nd and Park)

42nd St Station

Vanderbilt Hotel (33rd and Park (4th))

Wanamakers (9th and Lafayette)

Liberty Street Station

Brooklyn Station (Eagle Bldg.)

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, November 23, 2023 9:44 AM

My 8th-grade trip-to-Washington used the Columbus Circle Station.

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