And the E-8s operated over the B&M on the Allouette and occasinally the Red Wing to Boston in pool with B&M's E-7s and one E-8.
A pre-WWII train was considered and marketed by its launching railroad as a streamliner. Its power (defnitely changed en-routed) could definitely be considered streamlined, and it had stainless steel fluted coaches and diner. Possibly obs-lounge but unsure of that in my memory, since I rode only coach when I rode it. But until several years after WWII its sleepers were standard Pullmans with sides painted silver to match the stainless steel of the coaches.
Damn if Kalmbach didn't just have me report abuse with an answer to this question. I haven't seen that particular disaster before. Hopefully it means they are making 'progress' towards the Brave New User Experience (let's have a contest to design the best acronym for it, perhaps starting with a suitable initial jam and fitting a suitable 'backronym' name for the "servicing"...
Anyway, this fits Southern Railway (the full shadow-lined fake fluting coming only in 1949), probably the Tennessean, but it might be the 1940 CB&Q-C&S/FW&D Texas Zephyr (e.g. Lariat Range/Crest) if you overlook the power change...
Did the restyled Southerner (which had a different kind of 'streamlined power change' north of Washington) use these silver-painted Pullmans the same way?
?? Can you clarify?
Overmod Damn if Kalmbach didn't just have me report abuse with an answer to this question. I haven't seen that particular disaster before. Hopefully it means they are making 'progress' towards the Brave New User Experience (let's have a contest to design the best acronym for it, perhaps starting with a suitable initial jam and fitting a suitable 'backronym' name for the "servicing"... Anyway, this fits Southern Railway (the full shadow-lined fake fluting coming only in 1949), probably the Tennessean, but it might be the 1940 Texas Zephyr (e.g. Lariat Ridge) if you overlook the power change... Did the restyled Southerner (which had a different kind of 'streamlined power change' north of Washington) use these silver-painted Pullmans the same way?
Anyway, this fits Southern Railway (the full shadow-lined fake fluting coming only in 1949), probably the Tennessean, but it might be the 1940 Texas Zephyr (e.g. Lariat Ridge) if you overlook the power change...
I did see, in Bristol, heavyweight sleepers on the Tennessean. And there was no attempt to disguise them as lightweights.
Johnny
Overmod, you got the answer with the Tennesean. The Southener was inaugurated as an all-coach Budd strealiner, and only got sleepers when lightweights came on-line. As an all-coach lightweight, one E6 was the power. Then came the Tennesean, with an E6-Aunit and E6-B, Washington - Monroe, lightweight Budd coaches and diner, and silver-painted heavywieght sleepers. Certainly had a N&W J Monroe - Bristol, but unsure of the power west of Bristol.
I believe for a while it may have used Alco DL-109s
Just think, three changes of power between New York (thru sleepers) and Memphis, as many as the Montrealer-Washingtonian.
Looking forward to Overmod's question
daveklepper Overmod, you got the answer with the Tennesean. The Southener was inaugurated as an all-coach Budd strealiner, and only got sleepers when lightweights came on-line. As an all-coach lightweight, one E6 was the power. Then came the Tennesean, with an E6-Aunit and E6-B, Washington - Monroe, lightweight Budd coaches and diner, and silver-painted heavywieght sleepers. Certainly had a N&W J Monroe - Bristol, but unsure of the power west of Bristol. I believe for a while it may have used Alco DL-109s Just think, three changes of power between New York (thru sleepers) and Memphis, as many as the Montrealer-Washingtonian.
Incidentally, the 1941 coaches were the usual equipment, but I did ride in an N&W coach on this train once.
If I recall correctly, the 'DL-109s' (which I think pioneered that funky Otto Kuhler reverse-colors-on-the-B-units scheme seen in the E-unit picture) and later the PAs were standard power across to Memphis for as long as they ran. Irritatingly of course long before I got there...
Everyone here is familiar with N&W completely replacing a functional electrification with steam. Name another railroad where a highly satisfactory freight electrification was completely replaced with steam power, by intent and not accident.
I will say that it was the short electrification with the concrete catenary supports on Detroit, Toledo & Ironton.
That's not the one I was thinking of ... i have the impression Ford dropped the electrification because it was either not sufficiently effective or there was no developing market for his locomotives the way there was for his airplanes.
You are certainly in the right part of the world, though.
I thihk that when CN installed its "Two Mountains" Montreal tunnel and northern suburba electrification, they also electrified some freight service in the area, but then reverted to steam for all freigiht to use all the avaiable box-cab electrics on expansion of the suburban passenger service.
And possibly something similar happened with the Montreal and Southern Counties interurban sharing CN tracks on the Bridge and South Shore.
As wartime traffic increased, the use of DD-1s on LIRR freight was replaced by steam usually H-8 Consolidations. DD-1s continued in Penn Station - Jamaica service nn Montauk, Port Jefferson, and Oyster Bay passenger trains, as well as coal hopper-car trains Penn Station - Jamaica and return only, the only time freight ran through Penn Station. All other LIRR reverted to steam and stayed that way unitl diesels, with coal going back to car float after WWII.
The DL&W also electrified some freight in the Hoboken area in connection with their suburban operations, but went back to steam for frieght. The IC in the Chicago area, but this may have lasted until early diesel switchers and/or road-switchers were available.
Niagra Junction - pure freight reverted to steam.
After WWII, run-through NYCentral steam took over.
I was going to go with the DL&W myself. DL&W's units were actually tri-power, with 300 HP Ingersoll-Rand diesels and batteries in addition to the 3000 volt pantograph. The IC's freight electrification of Congress Yard in Chicago as far as the IC's 26th Street engine terminal was replaced by 1940 by various EMD transfer engines, including early cow/calfs. IC's 85-ton class E motors went to server for a couple more decades on the South Shore.
Two other cases, similar: (1) The Capitol Transit Potomic Edison coal delivery spur off the B&O main, possubly before 1935 also used for B&O - BW&A interchange, taken over by B&O when the Benning (Seat Pleasant and Kennilworth) streetcar went bus around 1954, who used an 0-6-0 for while before a diesel took over. (2) the DL&W's isolated Brooklyn freight terminal, adjacent to the Brooklyn Navy Yard. served only by car-float, with one electric locomotive and a 600V dc feed from a nearby BMT-B&QT streetcar line, to steam when the streetcar went bus, closed shortly afterward. I think they borrowed a nearby Brooklyln Eastern District Terminal tank-engine switcher but am not sure.
Oh yes also, B&O had a small Baltimore dock electrification, all on-street, but that was replaced by a rubber-tyred "mover" with a railroad coupler to move one or two freightcars a a time.
Yes, Mr. Klepper got it.
I'm a little surprised that Tesla hasn't dusted this idea off to go with their electric-truck division, as they have essentially solved most of the issues with flat switching that kept the railroad-industry-originated battery and hybrid designs relatively clueless.
Overmod I'm a little surprised that Tesla hasn't dusted this idea off to go with their electric-truck division, as they have essentially solved most of the issues with flat switching that kept the railroad-industry-originated battery and hybrid designs relatively clueless.
Musk seems to think that his electric self-driving trucks will put railroads out of business, so I suspect he is not exactly eager to enter the locomotive business.
I wonder who GE/Wabtec got the batteries for their prototype unit(s) from?
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The contemporary battery-electrics built for the North Shore were capable of running as straight electrics, and spent most of their time in straight electric operation. The batteries were charged by a motor-generator which was originally intended to operate automatically, but in practice seems to have bee operated manually when main line running resumed. Non-third-rail diesel-battery locomotives were used by NYC and Rock Island to switch LaSalle St and Central Stations in Chicago.
'S'cuse pleez... which of the ten guesses was the right one? Not very clear at all.
The CN English Electrics rang the bell best. I was less certain that Niagara Junction had a certain amount of obsolescence in its power change, but the case could be made.
A key point was that diesel was clearly preferable to steam, and was pretty promptly implemented on that part of CN within no more than a couple of years... but when the switch was made, just as on N&W, 100% of the operation went to steam.
(It might be interesting to consider what might have happened with the VGN electrification had the merger with N&W occurred a few years earlier. Nearly as interesting as what N&W might have done with 'its' new Alleghenies to wipe C&O's eye yet again...)
Fair enough, thank you.
Overmod-- All of my home computer and phones have been Apple/Mac since 1990 starting with the LC, progressing to the ( boy was I excited) Cube, then iMacs differing models. Loved my sound sticks with the big woofer!
Completly agree about the auto correct features substituting and replacing words, even an entire string of words occasionally that are not even remotely associated with what a person wrote. This can be particularly dangerous in texting. One has to be vigilant.
The worst for me occurs when constructing an email and words are changed in a delayed manner. The entire meaning of a sentence or thought can easily become a disaster.
Sometimes you fight with it all, putting in the correct word three times before it's accepted. These devices need to be dumbed down!
Now back to beach volleyball highlights!
MiningmanNow back to beach volleyball highlights!
meanwhile, to get away from Sgt. Schultz, there is this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAkgiFyQZNQ
I grew up with this.
Stern looking fella.
Are you old enough to remember when beach volleyball mags, usually with something about ' in the sun' or 'sunshine' was the choice in adult magazines. Those guys tried everything and were quite innovative to stay 'in bounds'.
An eastern route had regular day passenger service retored during WWII, but only one train each way basically serving more distant points, lost it after WWII was over, then saw it revived primarily to serve the local market but with superb connections and one end and decent at the other, then saw it lost again with a change in management, before a merger and well before Amtrak. Track still exists and there is talk f reviving service.
There was also a special passenger service once or twice a year.
Tf the serevice was revived tday, connectins at the south end would be even better than when the service operated, by more frequent service and more choicees of level of comfort and fares and even more choices of direct destinations. But on the north end connections have been reduced, for the time being, to just one train easst-to-wst and one train west-to-east each day.
When the service was operating, cnnnections at the north end invoilved two other railroads, one of which closed its passenger connection only one month afger the new service started operating. and I rode the last trains, on each way) on that connection. (Further hint, I did not have to buy a ticket to legally ride the train. I fact. in one direction, the return on the whole journey, I rode in a lcomotive.)
The wartime through train that operated on this route had equipment that made a round-trip every 24 hours. This equipment oprated over two railroads in making th etirps eadh way, but used this route only in one direction, not the other, with the two sets of equippment thus providing once-daily service in each direction on this route.
But some equipment on this train went in only one direction evey 24 hours and operated over three railroads, usually one coach and a sleeper used as a a porlor.
None of this was applicable to the renewed post WWII service which operated with a then-new type of equip;ment only between endpoints of he route on ne railroad. But connectiolns on the norrth end involved two other railroads.
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