NY Penn station. Why 30 years have not started improvements.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, January 10, 2020 1:16 PM

Overmod states--- " basically nothing 'open' has been done either for space exploration or space colonization with their approaches since then"

I think you missed the point that I was talking about Russia, and orbiting bases, in the 1980s.  In the context of manned operations.  Most of the items you've quoted are relatively small-scale remote probe missions, which added little to reliable low-cost heavy-lift capability or to development of even an orbital 'residence', to say nothing of manufacturing, capability.  We have the ISS (and I suppose I should be grateful for it) but it's scarcely what I was looking forward to as the 'space dividend' after the Apollo missions.


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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, January 10, 2020 1:50 PM

In a recent article in "Smithsonian", it is suggested that the 'space dividend' is primarily digital, such as the development of integrated circuits, increasing use of computers in many fields, miniaturization, etc.

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Posted by Miningman on Friday, January 10, 2020 1:54 PM

Overmod---Ok.. I understand.

I will add though that the information and contribution to science from these missions have been astonishing, invaluable and represent incredible advancements in space exploration.  Just the knowledge we obtained from Enceladus alone is mind blowing and worth the whole thing, all of it.... and there is 10,000x more than that we got. We will be studying data obtained from Cassini for 30-40 years!

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 7:39 AM


AT NEW YORK PENN STATION: Amtrak and NJ TRANSIT today began their
refresh of the Ticketed Waiting Area at New York Penn Station, the
seating area for their customers at the Amtrak Concourse on the Upper
Level and 8th Avenue side of the Station. As part of the refresh,
customers can expect new furniture and fixtures, including communal
tables and seats with electrical and USB outlets to charge devices, an
upgraded ceiling complete with new LED lighting, a family area that
will also feature a nursing mothers’ pod, the removal of the
midpoint barrier, a new information desk and a second entrance
offering easy access towards the 7th Avenue side of the Station.

"I am thrilled to see work start on significant improvements to the NJ
TRANSIT waiting area at New York Penn Station," said Governor Phil
Murphy. "Because of increased cooperation between the State of New
Jersey, NJ TRANSIT, and our partners at Amtrak, NJ TRANSIT customers
will now have the modern, state of the art, and comfortable facilities
at Penn Station that they have deserved for so long." "The journey
is the most important part of the adventure at Amtrak, and we are
refreshing the Ticketed Waiting Area because that journey begins at
the station," said Amtrak Board Chair Tony Coscia. "We thank our
customers, as well as our partners at NJ TRANSIT, for their patience
and cooperation as we continue to update New York Penn Station with an
improved and more modern experience." "These renovations will
improve the commute for customers who travel through Penn Station to
New York and surrounding areas," said New Jersey Department of
Transportation Commissioner Diane Gutierrez-Scaccetti. "Projects
like these encourage use of NJ TRANSIT'™s extensive rail network and
underscore our commitment to maintaining safe and comfortable transit
facilities for our customers." "NJ TRANSIT customers deserve a
better experience at New York Penn Station, and that's exactly what
these improvements will deliver," said NJ TRANSIT President & CEO
Kevin Corbett. "Thanks to our renewed partnership, NJ TRANSIT is
working closely with Amtrak to put our customers first in every
decision we make. Our joint effort to improve the experience at New
York Penn Station is a perfect example. These improvements will help
reduce overcrowding in the NJ TRANSIT waiting area, improve pedestrian
flow through the station, and generally provide for a more comfortable
environment for NJ TRANSIT customers using New York Penn Station as an
origin or destination."

The project, which includes a $7.2 milliontotal joint investment between Amtrak and NJ TRANSIT, will be completed over two phases; the first starts today, Jan.7, and the second is scheduled to start in March, after the first phase is complete. The second phase is expected to be completed in June 2020.

There will also be two temporary spaces (one for each phase of the
project) to accommodate passengers during the two construction
periods. The first will be at the concourse near Tracks 9 and 10, and
the second will be near Tracks 13 and 14. Amtrak undertook the first
steps to refresh the Ticketed Waiting Area in 2019 when it opened a
Starbucks coffee bar in the space to provide customers with the
opportunity to purchase refreshments and removed the exterior
information booth to improve customer flow. The Ticketed Waiting Area
project is the continuation of several improvements Amtrak has been
making to the Station since 2017 as it advances Amtrak’s plan to
modernize stations, infrastructure, and trains on the Northeast
Corridor. Other completed work to date includes the refreshed
restrooms, upgraded air conditioning, new furniture in ClubAcela, and
the continued work of the Infrastructure Renewal program. (NJT -
posted 1/07)

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Posted by aegrotatio on Friday, January 31, 2020 3:01 PM

I recently visited the New West Concourse and toured the entire station. So many things are being ripped out and relocated.

As for the old Penn Station, only waiting passengers went upstairs to the huge, expensive, and impractical space if they did at all.

Arrivals and all LIRR passengers just went up and down the exit stairs, and after the track and lower levels were floored over in the early 20th century, they never saw the grand waiting room and concourses where MSG now stands.

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