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No speed limit = bye-bye HST

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Sunday, February 24, 2019 12:43 PM

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Why should the rest of us pay for it?

 

I think that forcing others to pay to advance your own priority has become the modernday definition of "power".

 

Liberal = A person who feels a great debt to his fellow man, a debt he proposes to pay with other peoples money.

Conservative = A person who has paid his debt to his fellow man, by earning his own money.

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Posted by Convicted One on Sunday, February 24, 2019 12:39 PM

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Why should the rest of us pay for it?

I think that forcing others to pay to advance your own priority has become the modernday definition of "power".

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, February 24, 2019 12:36 PM

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The California state senator proposes a no-speed-limit highway, by using funds originaly marked for the state's high speed train. As frosting on the cake, T.Rump has cancelled $929M in funding for the rail project. Anyone surprised?

Easier said than done.......

The problem is that the Autobahn was built to be higher speed in some areas, our Interstate system I believe was built to 70 or 75 mph standards?     Not sure which, one of the posters here older than me might be able to clarify that.    As with HSR design, you can't just increased the speeds ad infinitum without re-engineering the on and off ramps as well as the curves in the road.     So 85 mph is probably as high as your going to see the speed limit.

Also, your really optimistic that a General Motors car will hold together if driven routinely at 85 mph.  I don't have that optimism having almost a lifetime of experience with GM cars before I switched to Mercedes.    Interesting how my Mercedes SUV compares to my former Buick Lucerne in body weight, MPG, pollution, road vibration, safety features, etc.    The Buick was more expensive to own on an annual basis (maintenence wise), burned more fuel with about 1/3 less body weight, I could fill half a page with the GM issues.

Also, I can tell you from experience driving 30 mph on the Autobahn with a 13 ton armored vehicle in a convoy.........not everyone goes 110 mph or faster.    It is mixed speed even without the NATO convoys.   Perhaps at the most 15-20% use the higher speed in unlimited areas and typically only in the far left lane.   Some rural drivers will insist on driving the lower speed limit of the range no matter what the upper speed limit is.

They used to have a much higher octane fuel in Germany than is sold in the United States and the German engines are also engineered to use the higher octane fuel.......it's why they insist on only Premium High Octane Fuel for Mercedes........though in the United States I believe the Octane level is a downgrade from German levels, could be wrong there.   Definitely you do not want to pump regular gasoline into a BMW or Mercedes in the United States or you will get a GM level of performance out of an excellently tuned engine.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Sunday, February 24, 2019 12:34 PM

As for the other topic, highway speed limits, I live in a rural part of the I-95 corridor. The traffic on I-95 moves at a consistant 75-80 mph despite the 65 mph speed limits.

Countless studies have shown that "speed does not kill", speed DIFFERENTIAL kills. Too much difference in speed between the fastest and slowest vehicles is the main cause of limited access highway crashes.

Vehicles going the same speed have a much harder time crashing into each other. They still can, they just have to work much harder at it.

So lets do this, put more of those pesky 80,000 lb truck trailers on flat cars, unclog the highways, raise the speed limits, and inforce minimum speeds on limited access highways.

One more FACT, less than 10% of the traffic deaths nation wide occur on limited access highways.

IN FACT most traffic deaths occure within one mile of one of the drivers home, on local roads with speed limits of 45 mph or less, and excessive speeding is seldom noted as the cause. Most are pilot errors in violating someones "right of way".

Average cars today stop better, handle better, and are way safer than ever before, exponentially........teach people to drive, get them off their phones, get them to put down the weed and the beer..........

And let the expressways be what they were designed to be........fast.....

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Sunday, February 24, 2019 12:18 PM

zardoz

The California state senator proposes a no-speed-limit highway, by using funds originaly marked for the state's high speed train. As frosting on the cake, T.Rump has cancelled $929M in funding for the rail project. Anyone surprised?

https://news.yahoo.com/american-autobahn-next-states-pushing-111617225.html

 

 

Simple fact, looking at the country as a whole, only a small percentage of people have life styles that would benefit from high speed rail.

Why should the rest of us pay for it?

I like trains, but nothing about my daily/weekly transportation needs could be met by a train, same is true for about 97% of the people I know.

Now, if it was a choice between good rail service and getting on an airplane for a medium distance intercity travel, rail would be my first choice.

Time may not be that much of an issue - example:

I live an hour or more from any major airport.

If I want to travel from my home in rural northeast Maryland to suburban Detroit, MI where I have family, by air it takes me 2-3 hours to leave my home, get to the airport, and take off, for a less than two hour flight, than an hour or longer to get to my destination in suburban Detroit.

That is 6-7 hours portal to portal, maybe more.

I can drive there in 8 hours? Why would I fly?

But if I could take a train (an AMTRAK station is 12 minutes from my rural Maryland home) and get there in 8-10 hours, the relaxation of not driving would be worth a price equal to the air fare.

LARGELY because there is nothing "relaxing" about driving to the airport, hiking around the terminal, going thru security, waiting to board, etc, etc, - for all that BS I would rather drive.

We don't need limited route high speed rail to accomplish this.

I have an idea, stop subsidizing the airlines infrastructure and see what they really have to charge? And stop allowing them to charge one person $500 and the next person $50 for the same product.

If any other industry did that there would be congressional hearings........

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Posted by mudchicken on Sunday, February 24, 2019 12:18 PM

Politically driven boondoggles tend to be spectacular fails. No exception here. (If only they printed the $$$ amount for what the locals siphoned out of the project already that were not HSR direct investments, then it might get really silly.)

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by Gramp on Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:53 AM

West Texas and the like is one thing.  Otherwise, the rule of thumb is still "Speed Kills!"

To tie this with the California bullet train boondoggle is ridiculous.

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Posted by Convicted One on Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:45 AM

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Anyone surprised?

I wouldn't be surprised if they went so far as to make the "limitless" roads into toll roads, forcing users to buy-in for the experience.

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No speed limit = bye-bye HST
Posted by zardoz on Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:36 AM

The California state senator proposes a no-speed-limit highway, by using funds originaly marked for the state's high speed train. As frosting on the cake, T.Rump has cancelled $929M in funding for the rail project. Anyone surprised?

https://news.yahoo.com/american-autobahn-next-states-pushing-111617225.html

 

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