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Useful Trains: And where to find them (apologies to JKR)

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Useful Trains: And where to find them (apologies to JKR)
Posted by oltmannd on Monday, October 29, 2018 11:36 PM

https://blerfblog.blogspot.com/2018/10/useful-trains-and-where-to-find-them.html

The large themes are:

1.) Don't be afraid of old equipment.  Keep it modernized.

2.) Don't expect new equipment to be perfect right out of the box.

3.) Stadler FLIRTS must be good.  They are everywhere.

4.) Privatization done right can be helpful and grow ridership. It's hard to get right, though.  

5.) Having good urban/suburban transport in place with intercity transport is a must.

6.) Through ticketing is an easy improvement.

Many of these apply to the US and Amtrak in particular.

I'm sure I missed some....

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 6:57 AM

Being helpful, polite, and non-confrontational to the extent possible is part of rail passenger employees' jobs.  And it is management's job to insure they understand and act on that.

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:16 AM

daveklepper

Being helpful, polite, and non-confrontational to the extent possible is part of rail passenger employees' jobs.  And it is management's job to insure they understand and act on that.

 

An execellent point. 

The crew, cafe staff and station staff we interacted with on the trains we rode in Norway, Sweden and Britian were very good.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:38 PM

oltmannd

 

 
daveklepper

Being helpful, polite, and non-confrontational to the extent possible is part of rail passenger employees' jobs.  And it is management's job to insure they understand and act on that.

 

 

 

An execellent point. 

The crew, cafe staff and station staff we interacted with on the trains we rode in Norway, Sweden and Britian were very good.

 

My experience on UK trains was similar.  Also Germany, Austria and Italy rail.  Knowledgeable, courteous and friendly staffs.

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 7:21 PM

charlie hebdo
Knowledgeable, courteous and friendly staffs.

How were the passengers?

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:33 PM

You might find this relevant.

The Brits keep a stiff upper lip when delays occur. Sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GF_QmAODGQ

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:23 AM

Electroliner 1935

You might find this relevant.

The Brits keep a stiff upper lip when delays occur. Sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GF_QmAODGQ 

 

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Posted by 54light15 on Wednesday, October 31, 2018 10:44 AM

Over there, my British friends get quite bent out of shape when a train is late. Even at the Severn Valley, my pal went ballistic about a train being 4 minutes late. I get the impression that Brits don't like being kept waiting. My one friend said that when you arrange to meet your friends at a pub, you'd better show up on timeand if it becomes a habit, you won't have any friends. Funny, that. Here in Canada when you say meet at 5 at the bar, you're on time if you show up at 6. No one here gets mad about something like that but the Brits do. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:41 PM

54light15
Over there, my British friends get quite bent out of shape when a train is late. Even at the Severn Valley, my pal went ballistic about a train being 4 minutes late. I get the impression that Brits don't like being kept waiting. My one friend said that when you arrange to meet your friends at a pub, you'd better show up on timeand if it becomes a habit, you won't have any friends. Funny, that. Here in Canada when you say meet at 5 at the bar, you're on time if you show up at 6. No one here gets mad about something like that but the Brits do. 

One thing I noted from the portion of my career that was spent as a Train Order Operator at various station.

The people that lived the closest to the tower, gave the worst relief.  Those that lived further away would allow time in their commute to account for some level of trouble so as to still arrive On Time or before.  Those that lived closest were almost always 'Minute Men' - If the job went to work at 0700 they would show at 0659.

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Posted by PJS1 on Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:55 PM
Oltmannd:
 
The pictures are great.  Did you take them with a camera or a smart phone?
 
Does your partner share your enthusiasm for trains?
 
Was this trip on a cruise ship with numerous shore excursions?  If so what cruise line were you on.
 
It is really hard to get privatization right if you don’t even try it.  Maybe Brightline and Texas Central will show the way in the United States.
 
Privatization of operations and open access could lead to robust competition.  And it is competition that gets people off their duff.  Without it people have little incentive to do things better, faster, cheaper.  Been there; done that.
 
By open access I presume you mean that the state or an independent third-party infrastructure company owns the track, etc., and any train operator that meets the requirements can buy a slot to run a train on it.  Is this correct?
 
My understanding is the U.S. freight railroads are bitterly opposed to open access; it probably will never happen in this country.  Is that correct?
 
Integrated ticketing and information would be a big plus here.  Actually, Texas Central announced recently a through ticketing and presumably information arrangement with Amtrak.  A small step forward.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Friday, November 2, 2018 8:11 AM

zugmann

 

 
charlie hebdo
Knowledgeable, courteous and friendly staffs.

 

How were the passengers?

 

Most passengers that I spoke with were courteous, friendly and fairly knowledgeable, the latter because they ride trains frequently as a way of getting from point A to point B, not as "an experience."

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Posted by oltmannd on Friday, November 2, 2018 10:36 AM

zugmann

 

 
charlie hebdo
Knowledgeable, courteous and friendly staffs.

 

How were the passengers?

 

Numerous.  Also, the CBD of the cities large and small were busier than many similar in the US.  Lots more pedestrican traffic.  

 

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Posted by oltmannd on Friday, November 2, 2018 10:46 AM

PJS1
Did you take them with a camera or a smart phone?

Most with a Canon superzoom that fits in my pocket.  Some with cell phone -Samsumg Galaxy 8.

PJS1
Was this trip on a cruise ship with numerous shore excursions?  If so what cruise line were you on.

Yes. Viking "homelands" cruise.  Helsinki, St. Pete, Tallinn, Berlin (Warnemunde), Copenhagen, Aalborg, Stavanger, Einfjord, Bergen.

PJS1
Privatization of operations and open access could lead to robust competition.  And it is competition that gets people off their duff.  Without it people have little incentive to do things better, faster, cheaper.  Been there; done that.   By open access I presume you mean that the state or an independent third-party infrastructure company owns the track, etc., and any train operator that meets the requirements can buy a slot to run a train on it.  Is this correct?

It seems to work differently in different places.  Letting out concessions by region like UK has done, seems to work pretty well.  Apparently, the contract for the Arlanda Express in Stockholm has been a mixed bag.  They had environmental goals for the line, but operator's fare structure has caused the line to miss those goals - should have been in contract as payment, I guess.

Open access is also mixed bag.  Sometimes they let out freight concessions are just sharp-shooting leaving the "privatized" national carrier with the dregs.  I think Green Cargo fits this description.

The bad thing about open access is sometimes you wind up splitting a just-adequate lane into two non-sustainable parts.  Traffic aggregation is what RRs do...

PJS1
My understanding is the U.S. freight railroads are bitterly opposed to open access; it probably will never happen in this country.  Is that correct?

Oh, yeah! Not happening without a lot of noise.  Not even reciprocal switching.

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Posted by oltmannd on Friday, November 2, 2018 10:47 AM

PJS1
Integrated ticketing and information would be a big plus here. 

You can plan most trips on Google, but ticketing is not so simple....  It's ridiculous.

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Posted by oltmannd on Friday, November 2, 2018 11:03 AM

PJS1
Privatization of operations and open access could lead to robust competition.  And it is competition that gets people off their duff. 

Both Stockholm and Oslo have new airports built way oustide the city.  Both have decent highway access, but both built high speed rail lines to the city.  The train take half what driving would.  The Arlanda expresscost about $30 and they have 25% market share.  The Flytoget costs about $20 and they have a 35% of the market. In Oslo, you can also take a regional train for $12 that takes about 5 minutes longer.

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Posted by PJS1 on Friday, November 2, 2018 1:46 PM

oltmannd
 PJS1  Privatization of operations and open access could lead to robust competition.  And it is competition that gets people off their duff.  

Both Stockholm and Oslo have new airports built way oustide the city.  Both have decent highway access, but both built high speed rail lines to the city.  The train take half what driving would.  The Arlanda expresscost about $30 and they have 25% market share.  The Flytoget costs about $20 and they have a 35% of the market. In Oslo, you can also take a regional train for $12 that takes about 5 minutes longer. 

Thanks for your thorough answers to my questions.  I appreciate it. 

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