Crescent getting stabbed south of Atlanta

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Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, November 23, 2017 8:11 PM

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Even on today Thanksgiving day both 19 & 20 have lost over an hour between Meredian and Atlanta.  Only the Meteor 97 / 22 has lost an hour on CSX today on eastern RRs .

 

Birmingham remains in the ditch.  

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, November 23, 2017 9:17 PM

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Birmingham remains in the ditch.   

Oltmannd.  Is it a cascading problem ?

1.   Norris yard hump closed.

2.  Inbound trains from all directions cannot get into the yard in an orderly manner.

3.  Trains wait outside Norris tying up sidings.

4.  Meets become very problematic due to passing on main tracks, backing in or out of sidings, waiting for freight to enter a long enough siding to proceed.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, November 24, 2017 8:24 PM

Well #20 / 24 arrived ATL only 16 minutes late.  Guess anything is almost possible.  A check from Jan 01, 2017 show #20 only arrived ATL early 4 times.  Great stats ?  For information #19 arrived Meridian 8 times early from Jan 01.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, November 27, 2017 8:37 PM

OMG!  both 19 and 20 made it thru the Meridian - ATL  swamp essentially on time today .

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:36 PM

From last report both ways Crescent loosing average of 3 hours south of ATL.  Yesterday 20 lost 4:29 Anniston - ATL partially due to NS freight train interferrence.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:47 PM

At least train 20 will be able to leave ATL on time some days in Januarary and early February.  That will occurr on Monday - Thursday nights Jan 6 - Feb 8 due to Crescent not going south of ATL on those days.  Bus substitution will be provided instead .

https://www.amtrak.co able to m/services/contentService.alerts.routealerts.departDate-20180109.routeName-Crescent.html

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:10 PM

November host RR performance has Crescent end point arrivals dead last at 13%.  Next worse RR was CSX at 31% for various trains.  Best was the E Builder at 81%

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:15 PM

December median delays between Meridian and ATL were for train 19  --2:03.  Train 20  ---  1:38 however 2 were on time at ATL would have raised the median to 1:57.   

Even the late shore limited at BUF only had 1:13 for Dec. or :51 for CLE.  Also 1:01 for 48 at ALB

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Monday, January 01, 2018 1:41 AM

Do freight trains on NS factor in to the delay?

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, January 01, 2018 10:32 PM

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Do freight trains on NS factor in to the delay?

 

 
Definitely.  Especially Meridian - Birmingham but also BHN - ATL.  Further CSX crosses the NS line about 1-1/2 miles west of ATL station and EHH monster trains often block that crossing due to it is only a mile or so from CSX Tilford yard and thru trains also cross going to Chattanooga, Knoxville, Florence, Augusta, Jacksonville,  Montgomery ,  BHM. 
Needs a Create style flyover.
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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, January 02, 2018 10:54 AM

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Do freight trains on NS factor in to the delay?

 

My hunch is that the overall disfunction of NS's yard in Birmingham has led to congestion east and west of Birmingham and trains running out of slot.  It's been this way since they closed the hump in Chatt.

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, January 02, 2018 11:09 AM

I wonder: did NS, without any forethought, decide to emulate EHH concerning yard operation?

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:37 PM

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I wonder: did NS, without any forethought, decide to emulate EHH concerning yard operation?

 

Well, sort of.  The EHH scare pushed them into the "drop the OR" promise. Closing the humps was a means to that end.  Was it pushed along faster than it should have been?  Maybe.  None of NS's big yards have had good dwell numbers in a year.  Capacity or local management?  Can't really tease that out from the public numberss.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, January 02, 2018 4:15 PM

Any 'decently operating' railroad network can be managed into gridlock by ill advised senior management decisions - CSX and NS are the current examples.  UP has been an example in the past.

         

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, January 08, 2018 12:45 PM

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Any 'decently operating' railroad network can be managed into gridlock by ill advised senior management decisions - CSX and NS are the current examples.  UP has been an example in the past.

 

 
Yes the ill advised anticipation that the current track structure of NS Meridian - BHM - ATL could handle the additional traffic from the Meridian speedway of KCS.  Then the gain in traffic from CSX partial meltdown moved more NOL and other traffic to the same route. 
Does anyone know if NS is actually lenghtening sidings or putting in some 2 main tracks during this month's closings of the route to Amtrak's trains # 19 and #20 Mondays thru Thursdays ?
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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, January 08, 2018 2:12 PM

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BaltACD

Any 'decently operating' railroad network can be managed into gridlock by ill advised senior management decisions - CSX and NS are the current examples.  UP has been an example in the past. 

 
Yes the ill advised anticipation that the current track structure of NS Meridian - BHM - ATL could handle the additional traffic from the Meridian speedway of KCS.  Then the gain in traffic from CSX partial meltdown moved more NOL and other traffic to the same route. 
Does anyone know if NS is actually lenghtening sidings or putting in some 2 main tracks during this month's closings of the route to Amtrak's trains # 19 and #20 Mondays thru Thursdays ?

I have NO knowledge of what NS is actually doing.

That being said, that 'curfew' period sounds like either a rail gang or tie and surfacing gang are working on single track.  These kinds of gangs need track occupancy for 8 to 10 continuous hours or more without passing traffic - the gangs consist of many machines that perform the necessary actions to pull off these activities.  It generally takes a hour or two to get all machines into the track structure from their clear up point and doing their jobs, by the same token it also takes a hour or two for all the machines to get into the clear and return the track to service.

The days of the Gandy Dancer and a local section crew working on several rail lenghts a day is over the horizon in the rear view mirror of today's railroads.

         

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Posted by oltmannd on Monday, January 08, 2018 3:52 PM

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BaltACD

Any 'decently operating' railroad network can be managed into gridlock by ill advised senior management decisions - CSX and NS are the current examples.  UP has been an example in the past.

 

 

 
Yes the ill advised anticipation that the current track structure of NS Meridian - BHM - ATL could handle the additional traffic from the Meridian speedway of KCS.  Then the gain in traffic from CSX partial meltdown moved more NOL and other traffic to the same route. 
Does anyone know if NS is actually lenghtening sidings or putting in some 2 main tracks during this month's closings of the route to Amtrak's trains # 19 and #20 Mondays thru Thursdays ?
 

There really isn't any additional train count on this route that I'm aware of.  Curfew is anual thing for four day a week track gang work.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, January 08, 2018 8:42 PM

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 There really isn't any additional train count on this route that I'm aware of.  Curfew is anual thing for four day a week track gang work.
 

 
If that is true why are trains 19 & 20 taking such a hit most days Austell <> Meridian ?  These delays did not always happen in the past..
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Posted by oltmannd on Monday, January 08, 2018 9:13 PM

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oltmannd
 There really isn't any additional train count on this route that I'm aware of.  Curfew is anual thing for four day a week track gang work.
 

 

 
If that is true why are trains 19 & 20 taking such a hit most days Austell <> Meridian ?  These delays did not always happen in the past..
 

Birmingham yard is a mess causing congestion on the line.

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, January 11, 2018 7:27 PM

OMG  Yesterday's Crescent #20 / 10  was on time for every departure from ATL to  ALEX and early from there to NYP.  So all the delays except the usual are south of  ATL.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:05 PM

Todays Crescent #20 (11) originated at Atlanta and so started ON TIME. As of (:00 PM CST it is shown as Ar Gainesville 3 min early and departing on time. So it apearantly was annulled between NOL & ATL. 

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:21 PM

Electroliner 1935

Todays Crescent #20 (11) originated at Atlanta and so started ON TIME. As of (:00 PM CST it is shown as Ar Gainesville 3 min early and departing on time. So it apearantly was annulled between NOL & ATL. 

 

Yes, as was noted in Newswire a few days ago, because of trackwork (apparently west of Atlanta) it runs only to Atlanta and then back the same day during the week. I do not recall exactly just which days this work is done.

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