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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 3, 2017 5:11 PM

Unconfirmed report that a bridge on UP west of San Antionia burned and causing Sunset problems.  Further report Amtrak unable to get buses due to Super Bowl taking all available ?  UP certainly has had bridge problems in the past year or so.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, February 4, 2017 10:49 AM

More info on UP trestle fire.

http://www.ksat.com/news/trestle-fire-stops-trains-near-macdona

Bridge appears to be single track ? Not clear if UP was already planning to replace the bridge but if so wonder if it will be part of the two tracking of the Sunset route ?

 

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Posted by schlimm on Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:51 PM

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Pre and Post Stagger's there is a different mind set as to what is required to run a railroad - Post Stagger's if an investment can't bring something to the bottom line 365 days a year the investment is rarely made.

Short-sighted.  Although Chicago has been almost snowless b/c of climate change of late, a few years back we had some heavy snows, which Metra and the BNSF, UP and others managed to handle.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, February 5, 2017 9:51 AM

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Short-sighted.  Although Chicago has been almost snowless b/c of climate change of late, a few years back we had some heavy snows, which Metra and the BNSF, UP and others managed to handle.

Chicago routinely has snow most years - not having snow is an exception.  The Carolinas routinely don't have snow - having heavy snow is an exception.

Basing Capital Investments on exceptions is not good use of capital.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:26 PM

Since Amtrak is always late or no alerts this alert from Sound Transit about rail transit in part will be posted here.  This weather event may effect Amtrak Empire builder operation near Seattle.

 
 

Sound Transit <soundtransit@public.govdelivery.com> At the time of this Rider Alert, no Sound Transit service is currently affected by weather. Inclement weather advisories are stating that transit service may be affected by snow or ice starting late S

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Monday, February 6, 2017 9:44 AM

Avalanche on Marias Pass late yesterday. Empire Builders (7 and 8) currently stuck on either side.

http://asm.transitdocs.com/

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, February 6, 2017 11:33 AM

Follow on to Bruce Kelly;s post.  His link shows 7 & 8 both stopped.  Also note on his link VIA #2  -- 9+ hours late.

 

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February 6, 2017

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Due to hazards created by the severe winter weather the Empire Builder is not able to operate at this time between Minot, ND and Spokane, WA. We are not able to provide alternate services at this time. Amtrak passengers are advised to check Amtrak.com or call 800-USA-RAIL for the latest update on your train’s status.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, February 6, 2017 11:48 AM
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Posted by PNWRMNM on Monday, February 6, 2017 5:16 PM

BNSF is advising customers that they now project opening the line at 4PM Tues, the 7th. This is subject to fall down of course.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, February 6, 2017 6:14 PM

BNSF line probably not cleared before tomorrow afternoon.  It will be interesting how Amtrak will handle the BNSF 48 hour no passengers on any train passing thru a mud slide or avalanche section ?.

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/article/20170206/ARTICLE/170209910

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, February 6, 2017 9:26 PM
 
 

Sounder trains cancelled due to bad weather.  Wonder if this will also affect Starlight and Cascades trains ?

 

Sound Transit <soundtransit@public.govdelivery.com> Due to the previous extreme weather conditions four south Line Sounder trains are cancelled: Northbound: The #1522 (4:30pm Tacoma departure)The #1524 (5:00pm Tacoma departure) Southbound: The #1517 (4

  
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Posted by petitnj on Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:50 AM

What is bizzare is that #7 is reporting on time into St. Paul, MN at 6:20 AM on Tuesday. That train is scheduled to arrive in St. Paul at 10 PM. Also #8 is reporting on-time at St. Cloud, MN -- that matches the train's normal schedule. Sounds like things are really confused. 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:17 PM

US - 2 still closed so no bus bridge possible.  Wonder if Amtrak rerouting passengers Cal Z / Starlight ?  Here is Montana hwy dept notice

WEST GLACIER TO PINNACLEROAD CLOSED AT ESSEX,

MILE 180SnowingSnowcoverRoad Closed

PINNACLE TO DEVIL CREEKROAD IMPASSABLE DUE TO DRIFTINGRoad Closed7 MILES WEST OF MARIAS PASS

OVER MARIAS PASSSnowingBlowing and DriftingSnow and IceRoad Closed

EAST SIDE OF MARIAS PASS TO EAST GLACIERSnowingSnow and IceRoad Closed

EAST GLACIER TO BROWNINGLIGHTLY SNOWINGSnowing ICE

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Posted by n012944 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:46 PM

schlimm

 

 
BaltACD
Pre and Post Stagger's there is a different mind set as to what is required to run a railroad - Post Stagger's if an investment can't bring something to the bottom line 365 days a year the investment is rarely made.

 

Short-sighted.  Although Chicago has been almost snowless b/c of climate change of late, a few years back we had some heavy snows, which Metra and the BNSF, UP and others managed to handle.

 

 

I am not sure what you point is. Just about every interlocking in Chicago is equipped with switch heaters.  

 

Lets look at it this way.  You won't find a fleet of snow plows in cities in the south, just in case of a once a decade snow storm.  You won't find tons of road salt in areas of the south, just in case.  You won't find de-iceing pads at the Orlando airport like you do at Denver, just in case.  And you won't find switch heaters in areas that don't get much snow, just in case.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017 4:20 PM
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Posted by schlimm on Tuesday, February 7, 2017 4:53 PM

n012944

 

 
schlimm

 

 
BaltACD
Pre and Post Stagger's there is a different mind set as to what is required to run a railroad - Post Stagger's if an investment can't bring something to the bottom line 365 days a year the investment is rarely made.

 

Short-sighted.  Although Chicago has been almost snowless b/c of climate change of late, a few years back we had some heavy snows, which Metra and the BNSF, UP and others managed to handle.

 

 

 

 

I am not sure what you point is. Just about every interlocking in Chicago is equipped with switch heaters.  

 

Lets look at it this way.  You won't find a fleet of snow plows in cities in the south, just in case of a once a decade snow storm.  You won't find tons of road salt in areas of the south, just in case.  You won't find de-iceing pads at the Orlando airport like you do at Denver, just in case.  And you won't find switch heaters in areas that don't get much snow, just in case.

 

 

 

 

 

 
AFAIK, this thread was not entitled, "Amtrak's Winter Experience in the South."

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Posted by n012944 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:12 PM

schlimm

 

 
n012944

 

 
schlimm

 

 
BaltACD
Pre and Post Stagger's there is a different mind set as to what is required to run a railroad - Post Stagger's if an investment can't bring something to the bottom line 365 days a year the investment is rarely made.

 

Short-sighted.  Although Chicago has been almost snowless b/c of climate change of late, a few years back we had some heavy snows, which Metra and the BNSF, UP and others managed to handle.

 

 

 

 

I am not sure what you point is. Just about every interlocking in Chicago is equipped with switch heaters.  

 

Lets look at it this way.  You won't find a fleet of snow plows in cities in the south, just in case of a once a decade snow storm.  You won't find tons of road salt in areas of the south, just in case.  You won't find de-iceing pads at the Orlando airport like you do at Denver, just in case.  And you won't find switch heaters in areas that don't get much snow, just in case.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
AFAIK, this thread was not entitled, "Amtrak's Winter Experience in the South."
 

AFAIK, the only place in the thread where there was a switch heater issue that you seem to take such issue with, was in Richmond, which IS in the south.  Sorry, I thought we were talking about actual delays caused by the lack of switch heaters, and the reasons why there are none there.  I didn't realize you were ranting just to rant. My apologies.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/where-does-the-south-begin/70052/

"Most Americans would agree that Richmond is a southern town"

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Posted by schlimm on Tuesday, February 7, 2017 10:15 PM

Don't be such a Hoosier.  Recent winters, seems like Richmond could use heaters more than Chicago.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:21 PM

schlimm
Don't be such a Hoosier.  Recent winters, seems like Richmond could use heaters more than Chicago.

but then there is the West Virginia slaw dog metric!

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Posted by PNWRMNM on Wednesday, February 8, 2017 10:29 AM

BNSF restored service between Summit and Essex MT at 23:45 PM Central time, 22:45 Local, Tuesday 2/7.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, February 8, 2017 9:19 PM

As of 2200  ( 10:00 PM ) Amtrak shows no cancellations or changes for expected snow.  Some changes at MBTA ( not yet ), MTA ( subway trains stored on express tracks most trains local only ), NJ Transit ( still normal tomorrow ), SEPTA ( no info ),  MARC ( no info )

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:05 PM

Another avalanche reported on the west side of Marias Pass this morning.

http://www.flatheadavalanche.org/flathead-glacier/advisory#null

Posted statement reads:

"Today:  BNSF Avalanche Safety Team reported natural avalanche activity in their program area.  One large magnitude avalanche deposited 6-8 feet of debris that was 150 feet wide on the rail grade and it also reached the highway. The powder blast from the avalanche was evident 25 feet up a power pole."

Another posting, at Trainorders, describes different dimensions and mentions it's at MP 1163. That would put it near snowsheds 10 and 10.7.

Correction: BNSF says it's near MP 1162.

Amtrak 8, already 2 hours late, is shown just east of Libby. No.7 is shown approaching Wolf Point.

 

 

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Posted by RME on Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:10 PM

BaltACD
but then there is the West Virginia slaw dog metric!

I prefer my slaw dogs in inch measure, thank you.  (But I for one would like to know if there is going to be one of those SI named measurement for frank length... perhaps a 'sonic' being defined as 30.5cm?)

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Posted by schlimm on Thursday, February 9, 2017 3:21 PM

RME

 

 
BaltACD
but then there is the West Virginia slaw dog metric!

 

I prefer my slaw dogs in inch measure, thank you.  (But I for one would like to know if there is going to be one of those SI named measurement for frank length... perhaps a 'sonic' being defined as 30.5cm?)

 

Sounds good, but....

Chicago-style hotdog:  An all-beef hot dog on a poppy seed bun piled high with yellow mustard, chopped white onions, bright green sweet pickle relish, a dill pickle spear, tomato slices or wedges, pickled sport peppers and a dash of celery salt.

The most important thing: NO catsup!

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, February 9, 2017 5:11 PM

Empire Builder has more trouble brewing

Mudslide north of Seattle.  This will stop any passenger trains SEA <> Everette for 48 hours. 

 
 

Sound Transit <soundtransit@public.govdelivery.com> North line Sounder service is canceled this evening, 2/09/17, due to a mudslide. Sound Transit will monitor the situation, if there are no additional events, service is expected to resume Monday morning

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Thursday, February 9, 2017 8:36 PM

Amtrak's current plan to work around the latest Marias avalanche:

  • Train 8/28(8) will hold through tomorrow afternoon at WFH station, awaiting open track and accepting passengers from 8/28(9) when it originates. 36-hour+ hold for approximately 85 customers. Train 8/28(8) will be represented by stubbed train tomorrow morning from MSP to CHI.
 
  • Train 7/27(8) will hold for open track at SBY station. No alternate transportation to points west. 24-hour+ hold for approximately 54 customers. It is possible this train will represent Train 8/28(9) if we are not able to continue west in a reasonable time.

 

  • Holding at the stations will enable customers to board and deboard the trains at will.

 

  • Train 28(9) will only operate between PDX and SPK. No alternate transportation to points east. This train will turn at SPK to represent Train 27(8) between SPK and PDX. No Train 8(9) or Train 7(8) SEA-SPK-SEA due to temporary track closure between SEA and EVR.
 
  • Train 7/27(9) will terminate tonight at MSP, with alternate transportation as far west as MOT. Customers ticketed west of MOT will be housed tonight in MSP and offered return MSP-CHI travel on the stub Train 8/28(8).
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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 10, 2017 3:00 AM

No details ye but evidently a  problem between Tacoma and Portland with no Cascades service PDX <> Everette ?

https://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?c=AM_Alert_C&pagename=am/AM_Alert_C/Alerts_Popup&cid=1251647993244

 

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 10, 2017 3:43 AM

Cannot find any link but reports are major wash outs on both UP routes Salt lake city - Reno.  May be days before Cal Z can operate again between those points,

http://kutv.com/news/local/after-rain-and-warm-temperatures-flooding-slams-elko-county-nevada

Evidently somewhere near Wells, NV ? 

https://www.wunderground.com/US/NV/039.html#FLO

Another mefia report nothing new

http://www.king5.com/news/local/landslides-disrupt-amtrak-service-in-western-washington/406680392

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 10, 2017 9:20 AM
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Posted by cprtrain on Sunday, February 12, 2017 1:50 AM

VIA Rail has 2 problems on the Canadian's route between Toronto and Vancouver. The most serious is that CN runs many long freights that exceed the length of many of the route's passing sidings. This means that the Canadian must take the sidings and at times, wait for more than one freight to pass. Sometimes the waiting can be more than an hour. The second problem is what happens when the temperature falls to -30C or colder and you encounter equipment and track problems.

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