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Russian High Speed Rail Pay Off

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:09 PM

Pravda is probably the most sensationalist papers in Russia.    Attributing facts to it is like using the National Enquirer in the U.S. for factual news reporting.

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Posted by billio on Sunday, November 7, 2010 10:52 AM

Be interesting to look at the numbers  after  they've been filtered through a GAAP accounting process.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 29, 2010 9:10 PM

“According to Vedomosti, Mr. Yakunin disregarded capital costs in his calculations - the preparation of the infrastructure, the construction of depots, and even the purchasing of the trains themselves.”

“As a matter of fact, the total spending on acquisition, technical preparations, railway repairs and construction of depots made up 45.22 billion rubles. Three pairs of Moscow-St. Petersburg trains return the monthly profit of not more than 231 million rubles. Therefore, the project of high-speed trains in Russia is not going to pay back during the upcoming 16 years.”

The aforementioned statements are confusing.  If the first statement is accurate, the trains are not profitable.  They may generate an operating profit, but the calculation ignores the capital costs, which is not acceptable accounting.  Profitability requires the inclusion of all costs.  Excluding the capital costs would produce an adverse opinion from the auditors and financial analysts.

If the second statement is accurate, it appears to ignore the financial costs associated with the technical preparations, railway repairs and construction of depots, or at least the financial information is not provided.  Depending on the terms of the financing, i.e. interest rates, terms, investment banking fees, etc., the long term cost of the project could be double the stated cost.  For example, the backers of the California High Speed Rail Project estimate the project will cost between $40 and $45 billion.  However, when the financial costs are factored into the cost structure, the cost of the project is likely to be in the neighborhood of $73.2 billion to $82.3 billion.  Based on the projected ridership and revenues, the project will never pay for itself or be profitable.  

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Posted by schlimm on Friday, October 29, 2010 3:17 PM

The cost numbers seem jumbled, but looks like payback in about 18 years.  Berlin to St. P is 1095 miles, so 24 hours is ~46 mph.  Considering the difference in gauge, that's not as bad as it sounds, but hardly high or even middlin' speed.  On the other hand, NYP to Miami is 1283 miles and takes 27 to 31 hours, 41 to 47.5 mph, so pretty similar.

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Russian High Speed Rail Pay Off
Posted by Victrola1 on Friday, October 29, 2010 2:41 PM

Russia's new Sapsan high-speed trains that travel from Moscow to St. Petersburg and Nizhny Novgorod have become the most successful passenger trains in Russia. The profitability of state-of-the-art trains is 30 percent, although many other passenger transportations of Russian Railways are not profitable.

http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/26-10-2010/115521-high_speed_trains-0/

Interesting to note the mix of regulated and non regulated fare structures. The idea of a "high speed" train taking 24 hours from Moscow to Berlin as being possible is also foreign.

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