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[quote user="243129"]When one is lost, and evidentally this guy was lost, would not the inclination be to slow down?[/quote] As others have already said, to slow down when you are lost you need to realize that you are lost. From the transcript of the crew conversation they only realized it when the locomotve started rotating. Since when are you so interested in my opinion? I agree that the engineer was very poorly trained. If I understood correctly the engineer was on a Charger the first time, for me a no go for a revenue trip without supervision. Regarding Amtrak's hiring I can't say anything. If the engineer was adequate for his job I can't say. Regarding loss of situational awareness and health issues Charlie Hebdo said everything. I agree with BaltACD's post on this page regarding management responsibility. Yes there is something wrong at Amtrak. But these were just the Factual Reports and not the propable causes. As I don't know Amtrak's procedures in detail I'll have to wait for the final report. Regards, Volker
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