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charlie hebdo Post the link and a brief summary. It's not difficult.
Not that long and appropriate. Source given if you wish to skip. My thread. Nobdy forced to read. Further discussionm other than others' freighter trip reports, which are welcome and encouraged, internet address: daveklepper@yahoo.com
When my Aunt Leah Klepper moved from New York to Tel Aviv in 1950, I saw her off on a freighter.
And TR OK'd distribution of any article dealing with the Coronavirus. Of course the experience of being a freighter passenger is what interested me, and I doubt very much that the few who recommended just a URL represent anything like a majoriy of the readers, if not the posters.
Dave they have such episodes on Youtube now, frieghter passengers or crew members taping what they do during the voyage. I would never do it. Accomodations are too spartan, would be roughly akin to staying at a flop house. The food didn't always look that well prepared either and you didn't necessarily have a choice on what to eat. I have noticed among cruise ship lines that the one cruise ship line with the very least amount of issues, no widespread sickness, no engine fire or engine failure, etc, etc. Has been CUNARD lines. The only drawback is the silly requirement you have to wear a full tux for three of the nights of your transatlantic cruise or largely stay locked in your cabin. I think they need to get rid of that nonsense. Otherwise, they are never in the headlines for nightmare cruise scenarios. I think it is the better choice of crew screening as well as better management. Plus all their ships are engineered for rough weather crossings vs the Cruise Ships which are not engineered for that.
Do modern Cunard ships have classes like in the 1930s? I recall when travel by freighter was reasonably common in the 1960s where freighters would take as many as 12 people, sometimes more. There would be the occasional Sunday newspaper article about it and how it was a good way to go.
54light15Do modern Cunard ships have classes like in the 1930s? I recall when travel by freighter was reasonably common in the 1960s where freighters would take as many as 12 people, sometimes more. There would be the occasional Sunday newspaper article about it and how it was a good way to go.
Yes they do but they renamed them from when they sailed the Titanic.
You can go to the CUNARD website and see what they are. Cheapest class is in the lower innards of the ship usually with a fake window that shows a monitor of a camera view facing outside.
Look at some of the youtube videos of the Queen Mary crossing the North Atlantic during a bad winter storm. Very, very cool. Ship glides through the water with huge waves crashing against it's side. Not much rocking that is noticeable on camera at least. They deep discount the winter crossing voyages because you can't really be out on deck in such weather and some are afraid to cross then.
As Dave can attest, Travel by Freighter takes a LONG time to get to where your going. Because typically they travel slow and indirect routes, also I think the size and draft of a freight ship makes a difference as well in slowing it down. CUNARD's Queen Mary II is one of the fastest ships afloat.
54light15 Do modern Cunard ships have classes like in the 1930s? I recall when travel by freighter was reasonably common in the 1960s where freighters would take as many as 12 people, sometimes more. There would be the occasional Sunday newspaper article about it and how it was a good way to go.
I remember hearing that the reason for the twelve passenger rule was that a ship carrying more than twelve passengers had to have a doctor on board. There may have been other amenities required, too. Many of the United Fruit Co.'s banana boats would carry up to twelve passengers. In 1946 and 1949 we made round trips from Honduras to New Orleans and back on these ships, and I find it hard to think of them as freighters. The cabins were clean and well maintained, and we were treated royally. In 1951 when we moved to New Orleans, the ship we were on was a "banana/cruise ship" that carried a lot more passengers. As a kid (I was eleven), I much preferred the twelve passenger ships. We pretty much had the run of the ship on them while the cruise ship had us restricted to the passenger areas. Come to think of it, as a grown-up, I think I would still prefer the twelve passenger ships.
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I have to admit that about 39 years ago, after my then girl-friend accompanied me on a few railfan trips, including one or two each on Mountain View and LV 353, she insisted on a Carnival Cruise. It met expectations, including a piano which I used, but utterly unlike the descripstion of the freightor trip, and of course I enjoyed the brief train trips NY - Florida and return more. My then girl-friend did enjoy Amtrak CZ Chicago - Salt Lake City and return as much as the Carnival Cruise.
Deck walk around the Maersk Montana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqGwWQTsF4
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
daveklepperWhen my Aunt Leah Klepper moved from New York to Tel Aviv in 1950, I saw her off on a freighter.
Was it the Exodus ?
MidlandMike daveklepper When my Aunt Leah Klepper moved from New York to Tel Aviv in 1950, I saw her off on a freighter. Was it the Exodus ?
daveklepper When my Aunt Leah Klepper moved from New York to Tel Aviv in 1950, I saw her off on a freighter.
No.
Long story short:
After it's 1947 voyage Exodus was tied to a pier and allowed to go derelict. It was going to be turned into a museum ship, "The Ship That Launched A Nation" but caught fire during the restoration and burned beyond salvage. It was scrapped in 1952.
You can find the whole story on "The Google Machine."
Flintlock76After it's 1947 voyage Exodus was tied to a pier and allowed to go derelict. It was going to be turned into a museum ship, "The Ship That Launched A Nation," but caught fire during the restoration and burned beyond salvage.
What a surprise. How reminiscent of the Normandie and the 'secret agenda' that kept her designer from saving her...
After independence in 1949, of course, there was no longer a need for any sort of Aliyah Bet operation, and presumably by 1950 free entry to Israel was assured (certainly after the Law of Return was passed in early July of that year).
Note the origin of this ship. Other ships in Aliyah B came from similar sources, including other Hudson River and East Coast 'packet' services; it is interesting to see some of the approaches used to get these ships to where they could be transporting survivors "illegally" even as government attention focused more and more on 'Zionist' shipowners like Direcktor in the postwar years.
I have always wondered if some of the general climate of those years carried over into Mr. Cantor's attempt to get those two big Sea Coach ships built. There is little question that some unfortunate prejudice was involved; on the other hand, it seems more than a little dog-in-the-manger that Cantor wouldn't outsource the physical design (about $1.7 million toward the end) to an 'established shipping line' but retain all the hotel and service rights to actually staff the hospitality and 'purser' functions of the operation...
There is a highly colored wishful-thinking account of some of the Aliyah B sort of activity in one of Mark Helprin's novels, involving considerable machinery to disable and sink some of the British blockade ships...
I've always wondered what happened to the Exodus ship. The pictures I've seen of it, it looked like a coastal ship that wouldn't really be suited for the mid-Atlantic. A shame it was left ot rot but I imagine that Israel in those years had other fish to fry.
Remember the movie, "Exodus?" At the premiere, about 3 hours in, Mort Sahl yelled out, "Otto, let my people go!" Otto Preminger's reaction was not recorded.
daveklepper Not that long and appropriate. Source given if you wish to skip. My thread. Nobdy forced to read. Further discussionm other than others' freighter trip reports, which are welcome and encouraged, internet address: daveklepper@yahoo.com When my Aunt Leah Klepper moved from New York to Tel Aviv in 1950, I saw her off on a freighter. And TR OK'd distribution of any article dealing with the Coronavirus. Of course the experience of being a freighter passenger is what interested me, and I doubt very much that the few who recommended just a URL represent anything like a majoriy of the readers, if not the posters.
While Sea going freight ship trips are sort of uncommon, they can be taken; with some research, or 'connections'.
My inlaws[wife's parents] used to take an unusual week-long trip each year for a vacation getaway. It was on an ore freighter, the usual route was from Cleveland to Duluth. The 'run' was a regular 'milk run' done for Wheeling-Pittsburg Steel Co. The ship had assigned attendents for the passengers and also v.i.p. cabins available, and food & bar services; I was told they were always excelent. It was a round trip, which left the 'passengers' to enjoy their free time, and their own devices. The only interruptions to their time were during the wash-down of the ship; post unloading, and reloading. Otherwise, the guests had the run of the deck areas.
Thanks! More such reports the better!
Regarding the Exodus, there is an excellent book, The Jews' Secret Navy, that goes into ita voyage and that of other ships that attempted to break through the British blockade to deliver European Jews who survived the Holocaust and wished to renew their lives in the Holy Land. Most did make it eventually. It's well written, and I wish I had kept a copy and that I remembered the two authors' names. Most of the crews were WWII USA service veterans and volunteered without pay.
Thanks for sharing a bit of history not normally encounter.
I may upset some readers by a posting that some will judge far too long. But it is a thorough and thoughtful history of how the problem started from a very impartial analysis and deserves to be read by everyone. From the Associated Press:
daveklepperRegarding the Exodus, there is an excellent book, The Jews' Secret Navy ...
Isn't this 'The Jews' Secret Fleet', by Greenfield and Hochstein, mid-1990s?
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