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Midwest Express Airlines comeback in Milwaukee?
Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, April 27, 2019 4:09 PM

Interesting article in the Milwaukee Business News even though it is not necessarily passenger train related (well maybe somewhat).    So this concept of a transportation medium specifically dedicated to only business class passengers does not seem to be completely dead.    Interesting that one of the Executives attempting the restart is a former ME executive.

https://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2019/02/03/midwest-expressairlines-still-actively-working-on.html

Since we have this market in Milwaukee it begs the question why Amtrak has not experimented with it more on the Chicago to Milwaukee corridor trains.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, April 27, 2019 9:44 PM

I once flew Midwest Express about 25 years ago.  I liked the 2-2 seating on their DC-9 which was usually 3-2 seating.  Maybe that's why they got merged out of business.

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Posted by Gramp on Saturday, April 27, 2019 10:09 PM

Midwest Express originally was started by Kimberly Clark.  The airline essentially ferried KC employees from Appleton (Neenah was KC's headquarters) to Atlanta and other key KC business locations.  A good friend of ours was the airline president's secretary for many years.  It grew to carry more than KC people, and became very popular, a class operation.  Later, KC spun it off.  It became a full-fledged airline, moving its operations to Milwaukee.  Like railroads, it became a fallen flag.  As lowest common denominator as airlines and Amtrak are today, it would be neat to see someone zero in and truly serve business travelers.  I maintain my hope for Texas Central as pioneer in new era of US rail travel. 

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Posted by JPS1 on Saturday, April 27, 2019 10:45 PM

If my memory serves me correctly, there was an all business class airline that operated from Love Field in Dallas for a period of time.  I don't think they made a go of it.  I believe they operated from a terminal on the east side of the airport, which was off of Lemmon Avenue.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, April 28, 2019 1:39 AM

Gramp
I maintain my hope for Texas Central as pioneer in new era of US rail travel. 

One of the Democrats running for President is a former Texas Central Executive I read and is for High Speed Rail.   I read that somewhere I think the guy is from a Northeastern state like CT or something.    Though I wonder how he spins that as NOT a conflict of interest if he gets elected.

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Posted by n012944 on Monday, April 29, 2019 5:02 AM

JPS1

If my memory serves me correctly, there was an all business class airline that operated from Love Field in Dallas for a period of time.  I don't think they made a go of it.  I believe they operated from a terminal on the east side of the airport, which was off of Lemmon Avenue.

 

 

Legend Airlines.  They didn't last long.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_Airlines

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Posted by rdamon on Monday, April 29, 2019 5:29 AM

Remember they had a all DC-9 fleet with all first class chairs.  They also baked cookies during the flight ;)

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, April 29, 2019 6:57 AM

The Wiki posting suggests that the airline was a victim of Wright Amendment restrictions plus its own higher than normal startup costs.

In the early days of dereg, there were any number of startup airlines that seemed to be based more on wishful thinking than any reasonable business plan.

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Posted by rdamon on Monday, April 29, 2019 7:15 AM

KMCI has a empty terminal A (once the pride of TWA) that was home to ME as well as Vangaurd and the 2nd or 3rd run using the Braniff name.

Air Tran seem to make a good run at it coming from the ValueJet incident.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Monday, April 29, 2019 11:12 AM

CMStPnP

 

 
Gramp
I maintain my hope for Texas Central as pioneer in new era of US rail travel. 

 

One of the Democrats running for President is a former Texas Central Executive I read and is for High Speed Rail.   I read that somewhere I think the guy is from a Northeastern state like CT or something.    Though I wonder how he spins that as NOT a conflict of interest if he gets elected.

 

Perhaps if you read the list of ~20, you might recognize the name?

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Posted by runnerdude48 on Monday, April 29, 2019 2:20 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH
there were any number of startup airlines that seemed to be based more on wishful thinking than any reasonable business plan.

 Kind of like a certain government run passenger railroad I know of.

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Posted by Warren J on Monday, April 29, 2019 4:33 PM

I remember flying on Midwest Express with its 2-2 leather seating, steak-plus meals, etc.  That was between Washington DC (DCA) and Minneapolis (MSP) and it was pure pleasure; back then, I flew on company business so the air fare was not an issue as it would be today.  Oh, those baked in-flight chocolate-chip cookies!!  Yes

As for increasing any AMTRAK service between Chicago and Milwaukee (let alone onward to Minneapolis), AMTRAK currently is amidst a very contentious battle with at least one of Chicago's northern commuter communities over ANY increase of Hiawatha service and construction of additional crossovers and sidings such additional train traffic would bring.  NIMBY-ism at work I'd say!!

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, April 29, 2019 6:12 PM

charlie hebdo
Perhaps if you read the list of ~20, you might recognize the name?

Never mind; I misunderstood what was in the list.  It's pretty obvious, though ... and he comes by the status legitimately.

I do think however CMStP&P was being sarcastic.  Very heavy-handedly sarcastic.  Isn't Joe's support of HSR and passenger rail that well known?

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Posted by GERALD L MCFARLANE JR on Monday, April 29, 2019 7:17 PM

rdamon

KMCI has a empty terminal A (once the pride of TWA) that was home to ME as well as Vangaurd and the 2nd or 3rd run using the Braniff name.

Air Tran seem to make a good run at it coming from the ValueJet incident. 

 

AirTran was around long enough for Southwest Airlines to purchase and merge them into their operations so they could break into the Caribbean and Mexican market

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:20 AM

Overmod

 

 
charlie hebdo
Perhaps if you read the list of ~20, you might recognize the name?

 

Never mind; I misunderstood what was in the list.  It's pretty obvious, though ... and he comes by the status legitimately.

I do think however CMStP&P was being sarcastic.  Very heavy-handedly sarcastic.  Isn't Joe's support of HSR and passenger rail that well known?

 

Joe Biden's support of the NEC is real. Heck, the Wilmington, Delaware station is named after him.  What made me think CMStPnP was not being weirdly sarcastic was the reference to the Texas Central scheme.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 12:35 PM

Overmod
I do think however CMStP&P was being sarcastic.  Very heavy-handedly sarcastic.  Isn't Joe's support of HSR and passenger rail that well known?

I discounted Biden because he is a career politician.    In any case would not be a conflict of interest for Biden as he hadn't helped run a HSR firm before.    No I was serious I think someone in the field was a former TC executive maybe I misread something though we'll see if it pops up again.

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Posted by rdamon on Monday, May 13, 2019 8:34 AM

GERALD L MCFARLANE JR

 

 
rdamon

KMCI has a empty terminal A (once the pride of TWA) that was home to ME as well as Vangaurd and the 2nd or 3rd run using the Braniff name.

Air Tran seem to make a good run at it coming from the ValueJet incident. 

 

 

 

AirTran was around long enough for Southwest Airlines to purchase and merge them into their operations so they could break into the Caribbean and Mexican market

 

And the ATL market saving people driving to Birmingham to catch a SWA flight

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Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, May 13, 2019 6:19 PM

charlie hebdo
Joe Biden's support of the NEC is real.

Biden's Son Hunter was appointed as Vice Chairman to Amtrak via President Bush but left in 2009.....the guy is a total loser though and he doesn't count either. 

  Someone got him into the Naval Reserve at the age of 43 via waiver with no prior service with an Officers Commission (Daddy maybe?) in 2013.    A few months later he tested positive for Cocaine and was booted out by the Navy.    Then all the "lets get Hunter another job with a Ukrainian Firm" started.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Thursday, May 23, 2019 9:51 PM

MidlandMike

I once flew Midwest Express about 25 years ago.  I liked the 2-2 seating on their DC-9 which was usually 3-2 seating.  Maybe that's why they got merged out of business.

Midwest Express Airline,IIRC, started flying in the late 1970's, Home Base then, was either Neenah,Wisc, or the  Appleton, Wi. airports. Originally, their aircraft were smaller to mid-sized planes; they flew out of the Wisconsin area, later out of Milwaukee's airport(?) to Chicago [Ohare(?), Memphis and Atlanta.  They flew as other here have posted, aircraft with 2x2 across seating, the accomodations were pretty up-scale for an airline; They were,in fact, Kimberly-Clark Paper Corps executive aircraft fleet.      About the time they were formed, and put into being  as a scheduled airline there was a Federal Deregulation Act [1978] that allowed them into that role.  One thing, I remember about them was for a while, the Cabin Staff baked cookies on-board, for the passengers.  I flew from MEM to CHI  to get back to work a couple of times via Midwest Express.. Smile, Wink & Grin

 

 


 

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Posted by Gramp on Friday, May 24, 2019 1:05 PM

Kimberly Clark started flying its employees with its own planes (that became Midwest Express) in 1948. 

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