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Update about the Metuchen converter power station.

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Update about the Metuchen converter power station.
Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:28 PM

This article states the Metuchen power converter station work is complete.  There is no date as to when the work was actually completed ?  Siemens states the rotary converter was removed.  Disposition of converter is unknown with maybe salvaged for parts or complete coverter moved to another location ?

This solid state converter has capacity of 85 MW compared to rotary's 25 MW . Note: converter came in under Amtrak's budgeted price.

The converters are able to black start.  That gives a second black start location with the Safe harbor hydro plant the other.

 

https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/intercity/siemens-updates-nec-traction-power-station/?RAchannel=news

 

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:30 PM

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There is no date as to when the work was actually completed ?

They note in the article that the converters were fully functional by May 2017. 

One thing this might provide is true high-speed capability on the "speedway" between New Brunswick and Trenton even in the presence of the extensive local and regional traffic that is forecast for this busiest section of the NEC.  I am mindful of a couple of leaked 'pictures without comment' showing digital speedometer readings higher than the TurboTrain record during Acela testing...

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Posted by erikem on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:52 PM

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This solid state converter has capacity of 85 mW compared to rotary's 25 mW . Note: converter came in under Amtrak's budgeted price.

Siemens ought to get in touch with the city of New Orleans as several of the their municipal "sump pumps on a grand scale" run on 25 Hz and they are having problems keeping their 25 Hz generation alive.

A minor nit-pick, "85 mW" and "25 mW" should be "85 MW" and "25 MW". "mW" means milliwatts, which would barely power a Z scale train, where MW is megawatts.

Siemens ought to talk with the city of New Orleans about one of these static converters for suply 25 Hz power to the large pumps used for draining the parts of the city below sea level. My understanding is that the existing 25 Hz power generation is mostly inoperable.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 7:25 PM

erikem

  Siemens ought to get in touch with the city of New Orleans as several of the their municipal "sump pumps on a grand scale" run on 25 Hz and they are having problems keeping their 25 Hz generation alive. 

 

 
No wonder New Orleans is having trouble with its pumps !  Any idea when the 25hZ pumps were installed ?  New 60 hZ pump motors would certainly take less iron !
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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 8:13 PM

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erikem

  Siemens ought to get in touch with the city of New Orleans as several of the their municipal "sump pumps on a grand scale" run on 25 Hz and they are having problems keeping their 25 Hz generation alive. 

 
No wonder New Orleans is having trouble with its pumps !  Any idea when the 25hZ pumps were installed ?  New 60 hZ pump motors would certainly take less iron!

 
 
And just as it's MW, it's "Hz" (for Hertz, the German polymath who discovered EM) not capitalized the other way around...
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Posted by MidlandMike on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:45 PM

I guess that the fact that they were upgrading the phase converters says they they have no plans to convert to modern 60 Hz cat operation in the foreseeable future.

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Posted by erikem on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 10:19 PM

Back about 30 years ago, there was much discussion in the IEEE Spectrum and elsewhere on the relative advantages of 25Hz vs 60Hz power for RR electrification. One common theme was that the 25Hz installations were a bit more resilient than 60Hz installations. The likely explanation is that the current zero crossing happens slower with 25Hz, giving more time for any arcs to quench.

As for 25Hz in New Orleans, the pumps require very low speed motors and 25Hz low speed motors are more efficient than 60Hz low speed motors. Prior to WW2, 25Hz electrical equipment was readily available.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Thursday, October 18, 2018 4:30 PM

Amtrak gets 25 Hz single phase power from the Safe Harbor Hyro plant on the Susquehanna River. It also buys 60 Hz power from the utilities. The 25 Hz rotating machinery is beyond its life cycle at eighty five years (1933-2018) of age. So does this mean that Lamokin (48 MW, 3 Motor Genertors, 1928) is next to be replaced? 

Reference: 

Amtrak's 25 Hz traction power system

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Amtrak's_25_Hz_traction_power_system.html

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Thursday, October 18, 2018 4:50 PM

Amtrak gets 25 Hz single phase power from the Safe Harbor Hyro plant on the Susquehanna River. It also buys 60 Hz power from the utilities. The 25 Hz rotating machinery is beyond its life cycle at eighty five years (1933-2018) of age. So does this mean that Lamokin (48 MW, 3 Motor Genertors, 1928) is next to be replaced? 

Reference: 

Amtrak's 25 Hz traction power system

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Amtrak's_25_Hz_traction_power_system.html

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, October 18, 2018 7:50 PM

Electroliner 1935

Amtrak gets 25 Hz single phase power from the Safe Harbor Hyro plant on the Susquehanna River. It also buys 60 Hz power from the utilities. The 25 Hz rotating machinery is beyond its life cycle at eighty five years (1933-2018) of age. So does this mean that Lamokin (48 MW, 3 Motor Genertors, 1928) is next to be replaced? 

Reference: 

Amtrak's 25 Hz traction power system

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Amtrak's_25_Hz_traction_power_system.html 

 

 
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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:40 PM

By all accounts in the Wiki article Amtrak will keep the present motor generators in service.  They have the ability to filter harmonics both of 25 Hz and 60 Hz.  They are electrically not as efficient  (~85%) compared to the new static converters (~96%).  The remaining motor generators have all gone thru refurbishment and upgrades.  That is why maybe the retired motor generators at Metuchen may go elsewhere ?

Edit.  As we understand it converting to 60 Hz will require rebuilding the PRR signal system to another frequency to prevent interferrence on the present parts of signal system at 60 Hz ?   There are still motors on Amtrak that maintenance, stations, & other locations that use 25 Hz  from the CAT power. 

Note Septa uses mostly static converters are Wayne junction to provide 25 Hz power.  At last understanding Septa and Amtrak can interconnect at Wayne but that is not certain now ?

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Friday, October 19, 2018 6:12 PM

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Edit.  As we understand it converting to 60 Hz will require rebuilding the PRR signal system to another frequency to prevent interferrence on the present parts of signal system at 60 Hz ?  

Per the Wiki article: Signal Power

 

  • 2.2 kV 91⅔ Hz – NY Penn Area. 60 Hz used 1910–1931. 100 Hz installed but quickly changed to avoid interference caused by simultaneous AC and DC electrification.
  • 3.3 kV 100 Hz – Paoli/Chestnut Hill. 60 Hz used 1915/18–1930.
  • 6.9 kV 91⅔ Hzall electrification work from 1930 onward.

No mention of its source. Could this be part of the signal failures between Washington & Baltimore?

 

 

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