FRA issues documents on proposed Atlanta-Chattanooga HSR corridor

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FRA issues documents on proposed Atlanta-Chattanooga HSR corridor
Posted by Overmod on Monday, October 02, 2017 10:59 AM

Story in Progressive Railroading this morning

says FEIS/ROD (the final environmental-impact statement and 'record of decision' have been issued by the FRA for the 'chosen' corridor.  At this point the story does not have live links to the actual documents, although they provide at least one graphic.

I do not know if this is even an approximation to what some here consider true HSR; the corridor is not very long in route-miles and traverses some fairly heroic territory.  But an 88-minute travel time between Atlanta and Chattanooga is nothing to sneeze at.

Also from the story:

The report provides information on train technology, maximum operating speeds and station location options. Decisions on those issues — as well as the exact alignment within the preferred corridor — would be part of a Tier II study under the federal National Environmental Policy Act if additional funding is secured, FRA officials said."

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, October 02, 2017 11:05 AM

Don, the news item mentions a proposed Southern Crescent station near the airport. Do you have any idea as to what the routing would be?

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Posted by oltmannd on Monday, October 02, 2017 11:05 AM

http://www.dot.ga.gov/InvestSmart/Rail/Documents/Atl-Chatt/Atlanta-ChattanoogaHSGT-DEISExecutiveSummary.pdf

 

Highest ridership route is 102 minutes.  13,000 riders a day in 2040.

Chattanooga?  Less than 1/2 million in metro area.  A smallish "dot" to connect Atlanta to...

I-85 corridor to the NE is much richer "fishing grounds".

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, October 02, 2017 11:07 AM

oltmannd
http://www.dot.ga.gov/InvestSmart/Rail/Documents/Atl-Chatt/Atlanta-ChattanoogaHSGT-DEISExecutiveSummary.pdf

 

Highest ridership route is 102 minutes.  13,000 riders a day in 2040.

Chattanooga?  Less than 1/2 million in metro area.  A smallish "dot" to connect Atlanta to...

With the right transportation, Chattanooga could be an Atlanta suburb.

         

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Posted by oltmannd on Monday, October 02, 2017 12:40 PM

BaltACD

 

 
oltmannd
http://www.dot.ga.gov/InvestSmart/Rail/Documents/Atl-Chatt/Atlanta-ChattanoogaHSGT-DEISExecutiveSummary.pdf

 

Highest ridership route is 102 minutes.  13,000 riders a day in 2040.

Chattanooga?  Less than 1/2 million in metro area.  A smallish "dot" to connect Atlanta to...

 

With the right transportation, Chattanooga could be an Atlanta suburb.

 

So could Clemson/Anderson/Greenville/Spartansburg - and the could be a Charlotte "suburb" as well.

I'd bet the Charlotte - Atlanta corridor has over 10 million people in it. 5.5 for Atlanta, 2.5 for Charlotte, 2+ for Anderson - Spartansburg.

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 9:17 AM

Oltmannd has pointed us in the right direction.  The problem is IMHO the traffic on I-75.  An observation of license plates between Chattanooga <> Cartersville shows most are states north of Tennessee. South of Cartersville very heavy local Georgia traffic.  

What Tennessee license plates that are observed most are not Hamilton county ( Chattanooga ).  So cannot see the ability of a HSR route CHA <> ATL being viable. The CHA - ATL route is not covering the high traffic potential of mid-west above the Ohio river.  Now if there was some kind of connecting service north of CHA that would be a different subject to explore.

On the other hand the I-85 corridor has a good mix of Georgia, SC, NC , & VA cars.  All which can be served by a HrSR ATL - CLT to tie in with the planned HrSR CLT - Raleigh - WASH.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 9:36 AM

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Oltmannd has pointed us in the right direction.  The problem is IMHO the traffic on I-75.  An observation of license plates between Chattanooga <> Cartersville shows most are states north of Tennessee. South of Cartersville very heavy local Georgia traffic.  

What Tennessee license plates that are observed most are not Hamilton county ( Chattanooga ).  So cannot see the ability of a HSR route CHA <> ATL being viable. The CHA - ATL route is not covering the high traffic potential of mid-west above the Ohio river.  Now if there was some kind of connecting service north of CHA that would be a different subject to explore.

On the other hand the I-85 corridor has a good mix of Georgia, SC, NC , & VA cars.  All which can be served by a HrSR ATL - CLT to tie in with the planned HrSR CLT - Raleigh - WASH.

'Field of Dreams' - 'Build it and the will come!'

The better and more convient the transportation option the more people will use it.

I-75 between Cartersville and Atlanta has grown into a continuing parking lot, thus restricting development North of Cartersville.  Build better transportation options and development will fill in between Cartersville and Chattanooga.

The real question is, where do local govenments want to develop?

         

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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 9:54 AM

Would be interesting .. nice if TN is looking at extending it to Nashville. Could also eliminate problematic regional airline service from CHA-ATL seeing that there is a station near ATL.

 

 

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:03 AM

BaltACD

 

 
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Oltmannd has pointed us in the right direction.  The problem is IMHO the traffic on I-75.  An observation of license plates between Chattanooga <> Cartersville shows most are states north of Tennessee. South of Cartersville very heavy local Georgia traffic.  

What Tennessee license plates that are observed most are not Hamilton county ( Chattanooga ).  So cannot see the ability of a HSR route CHA <> ATL being viable. The CHA - ATL route is not covering the high traffic potential of mid-west above the Ohio river.  Now if there was some kind of connecting service north of CHA that would be a different subject to explore.

On the other hand the I-85 corridor has a good mix of Georgia, SC, NC , & VA cars.  All which can be served by a HrSR ATL - CLT to tie in with the planned HrSR CLT - Raleigh - WASH.

 

'Field of Dreams' - 'Build it and the will come!'

The better and more convient the transportation option the more people will use it.

I-75 between Cartersville and Atlanta has grown into a continuing parking lot, thus restricting development North of Cartersville.  Build better transportation options and development will fill in between Cartersville and Chattanooga.

The real question is, where do local govenments want to develop?

 

GADOT's answer is reversable HOT lanes, nearing completion. ...for better or worse.   They also recently finished reversable HOT lanes on I-75 south of Atlanta, too.  

When will GADOT be willing to invest in passenger rail transport?  Other than some limited expansion of MARTA, no time soon.

HSR to Chatt as land development tool?  Sure.  As cost effective transport?  Nope.

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:05 AM

rdamon

Would be interesting .. nice if TN is looking at extending it to Nashville. Could also eliminate problematic regional airline service from CHA-ATL seeing that there is a station near ATL.

 

 

 

rdamon

Would be interesting .. nice if TN is looking at extending it to Nashville. Could also eliminate problematic regional airline service from CHA-ATL seeing that there is a station near ATL.

 

 

 

Now you're creeping up to a useful application of passenger rail.  Nashville is a "big dot".  But, getting TN even interested in looking at it?

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:31 AM

oltmannd
 
BaltACD
 
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Oltmannd has pointed us in the right direction.  The problem is IMHO the traffic on I-75.  An observation of license plates between Chattanooga <> Cartersville shows most are states north of Tennessee. South of Cartersville very heavy local Georgia traffic.  

What Tennessee license plates that are observed most are not Hamilton county ( Chattanooga ).  So cannot see the ability of a HSR route CHA <> ATL being viable. The CHA - ATL route is not covering the high traffic potential of mid-west above the Ohio river.  Now if there was some kind of connecting service north of CHA that would be a different subject to explore.

On the other hand the I-85 corridor has a good mix of Georgia, SC, NC , & VA cars.  All which can be served by a HrSR ATL - CLT to tie in with the planned HrSR CLT - Raleigh - WASH. 

'Field of Dreams' - 'Build it and the will come!'

The better and more convient the transportation option the more people will use it.

I-75 between Cartersville and Atlanta has grown into a continuing parking lot, thus restricting development North of Cartersville.  Build better transportation options and development will fill in between Cartersville and Chattanooga.

The real question is, where do local govenments want to develop? 

GADOT's answer is reversable HOT lanes, nearing completion. ...for better or worse.   They also recently finished reversable HOT lanes on I-75 south of Atlanta, too.  

When will GADOT be willing to invest in passenger rail transport?  Other than some limited expansion of MARTA, no time soon.

HSR to Chatt as land development tool?  Sure.  As cost effective transport?  Nope.

Virginia has implemented reversable TOLL HOV lanes on I-95 between Springfield and Woodbridge (and the toll is stiff).  In addition to the Toll HOV lanes there are HOV lanes on the 'free' portion of I-95.  Personal observations, I-95 is still a commuter parking lot Morning and Evening. 

Virginia is viewing Richmond to DC as commuter territory by 2040.  VRE was created about 1990 to reduce highway traffic between Fredericsburg - Manassas and DC and are operateing about 10 trains per weekday between each location and DC in each direction.  Plans are in process to streach VRE to Richmond, when is the question.

The planning though process taking place today is not about 2020.  It is about 2040-2050.  Mortals that most people are, they can only see 2018 through fuzzy glasses and can't comprehend the planning processes necessary to have needed facilities for 2040-2050 and beyond.

         

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:00 PM

BaltACD

I-75 between Cartersville and Atlanta has grown into a continuing parking lot, thus restricting development North of Cartersville.  Build better transportation options and development will fill in between Cartersville and Chattanooga.

The real question is, where do local govenments want to develop?

 

 
The same can be said about I-985 from Gainesville that mergers into I-85 from Clemson - Toccoa - ATL.  240,000 cars on I-85 inside of the ATL perimeter ( 6 lanes ) exceeds I-75 greatly ( 3 lanes ). The I-75 traffic is more spread out between Marietta, Roswell,  & I-285 west.
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Posted by MidlandMike on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 8:47 PM

Maybe GA DOT is avoiding the Cresent corridor so they don't have to deal with Amtrak.

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Posted by oltmannd on Wednesday, October 04, 2017 6:53 AM

MidlandMike

Maybe GA DOT is avoiding the Cresent corridor so they don't have to deal with Amtrak.

 

Of course this assumes GADOT pays much attention to this stuff.

Studying HSR to Chattanooga is politically motivated. The whole study got started only because of an outfit outside of Atlanta that is monkeying around with mag-lev. The original study was for a mag-lev line. This current study is just more of the typical Georgia Legislature/DOT/consultant mutual back-scratching game. They throw money around for these studies, never planning on actually funding any construction.

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, October 06, 2017 11:45 AM

Maybe they can use the California model and start construction between Calhoun and Dalton and then work on the rest over 50 years ...

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Posted by oltmannd on Friday, October 06, 2017 1:49 PM

rdamon

Maybe they can use the California model and start construction between Calhoun and Dalton and then work on the rest over 50 years ...

 

When what they really need is Atlanta to Marrietta!   (just like California could really use LA to Bakersfield)

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:24 PM

oltmannd
 When what they really need is Atlanta to Marrietta!   (just like California could really use LA to Bakersfield)
 

 
Oltmmand:  cannot confirm a DOT report but heard on CH 46 that traffic will more than double on I-75 north of Atlanta in four years ? ?

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