Without the introduction of considerable cognitive dissonance, entrenched beliefs are seldom shaken by mere logic or facts.
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Personally, I'm enjoying the morphing of the subject of the new Legacy Club into another rehash of GM and streetcars, a discussion that goes back almost 100 years.
To me, it's an example of what the freewheeling Internet is all about. Rave on, brothers! (Per the freewheeling model, those who insist on purity are encouraged to launch another thread on the Legacy Club.)
dakotafred Personally, I'm enjoying the morphing of the subject of the new Legacy Club into another rehash of GM and streetcars, a discussion that goes back almost 100 years. To me, it's an example of what the freewheeling Internet is all about. Rave on, brothers! (Per the freewheeling model, those who insist on purity are encouraged to launch another thread on the Legacy Club.)
Either way, beats paint scheme rehashes or a bunch of dull record shots.
thanks, guys
That is a very good observation from you. I agree that this is a money making issue but it makes the world go around.
This does not bother me either. What really gets under my skin is having to repeat myself like three or four times because of readers either skimming posts or just reading the first sentence and presumming the rest. It's no wonder the Divorce rate is so high in this country. If I had to put up with that in a marriage I would probably shoot myself before the lawyer could even submit papers.
I saw that when I was there recently to ride the City of NOLA. Did not know much about it and I was traveling first class so I was to the Metropolitan Lounge. A friend had came up to Chicago with me and she was sitting near the Legacy Lounge, she was traveling back to St. L on Lincoln Service that left about an hour before mine. Sounds like a nice idea and perks are similar to the Lounge, but I didn't see any beer or hear anyone talk about it being available at certain times.
Yes, Conrailman, it is a totally separate lounge than first class. Legacy is located right by the Grand Hall where passengers now wait, where the Lounge is located down a side hall. Has a red carpet in front which you can't miss. We did have pics taken on it.
As to the designation between the haves and first class and the nots-lower class. it's always been that way to a degree. Movie stars and other celebs who rode the Super Chief, 20th Century and Broadway Limited were treated royally from what I've read. Airlines have always divided classes when I flew, they'd even keep the curtain pulled across first class doorway so we couldn't peek in. Maybe the Legacy could be available for those who don't want to pay extra but are Guest Rewards members with many points.
When my parents and I traveled for free on Dad's pass, we never felt like we were treated less than anyone else, we could still use the diner and dome cars. I did notice the difference on Canadian National Super-Continental, friends and I booked the Daynighter car which had a reclining seat with a larger footrest, cost a a little more than coach but not first class. We went to be seated in diner, they asked our car # and found out their dining car was for first class passengers only, we had to eat in a snack car. I found that very elitist and wrote CN about it when we got home. They did apologize but said that was their policy. The maitre d'had taken our dinner reservations while we waited to board and we didn't hear the call to come to diner and were late. That's when he realized we were not first class, I guess they only announced it in those cars and had to tell us we couldn't eat there. I said that never happened on US trains, anyone could eat in the diner. Never rode VIA but doubt they have that policy. Probably similar to Amtrak with first class getting free meals and others paying.
Usually, when my parents and I or just myself alone, traveled between New York and Charlotteseville, VA, we attempted to get reservations on the Southerner to avoid the change in Washington. One time when I used the alternative, a PRR unreserved to Washington, and the C&O George Washington to Charlottesville, I explored the GW's consist on the outside before boarding. (This a age 11.) After the train was underway, the conductor came through either to see seat checks or to collect tickets (tickets may have been collected at the head of the staris in the concourse, my memory isn'te clear on this.) I asked if I could go back and just visit the observation car. He said he had no objection, but it was up to the Pullman conductor. He said I could go back into the Pullman section until I found the Pullman conductor and ask him. Which I did and was told it was OK if I only spent a few minutes there before returning to my coach seat. We had already left Alexandria, I spent about five minutes on the back platform, and didn't push my luck more than that before returning to the coach. This was in 1942 or 1943.
CMStPnPIt's no wonder the Divorce rate is so high in this country. If I had to put up with that in a marriage I would probably shoot myself before the lawyer could even submit papers.
Divorce American style?
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