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Pullman Rail Journeys suspends operations in 2016

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Pullman Rail Journeys suspends operations in 2016
Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:02 AM

Trains newswire story.   I am curious why they cannot reach an agreement with Amtrak and what are the sticking points?     Seems to me there is a lot more to the story than what was reported in newswire.

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Posted by dakotafred on Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:35 AM

I agree. I wonder if the problem isn't revenue. The (unclear) story says Pullman has been running only two (or three) cars, instead of the contemplated five, to avoid paying Amtrak for an extra locomotive.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, January 5, 2016 6:46 AM

The extra locomotive for five cars is the same as when American European Express was operating its very expensive luxury service attached to the "Capitol Limited" in the early 1990's.  It would appear that this added expense was not factored into its operating budget when Pullman Rail Journeys began operations.  Somebody on Ed Ellis' staff dropped the ball in this case. 

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Posted by D.Carleton on Tuesday, January 5, 2016 7:32 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH

The extra locomotive for five cars is the same as when American European Express was operating its very expensive luxury service attached to the "Capitol Limited" in the early 1990's.  It would appear that this added expense was not factored into its operating budget when Pullman Rail Journeys began operations.  Somebody on Ed Ellis' staff dropped the ball in this case. 

The expense for the extra locomotive for anything over two cars was and is a known expense to IPH charged by NRPC.

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Posted by Dakguy201 on Tuesday, January 5, 2016 8:28 AM

The copy of Amtrak's fee schedule for private cars I have indicates that an extra engine costs $4.25/mile, which would be a little more than $3900 one way for the City.  I can understand that being a deal breaker, but I don't understand why it was not anticipated by Pullman when setting their trip charges.

Given the opaque cost data Amtrak makes public -- and perhaps the situation is no better internally -- I wonder how that $4.25 relates to the costs Amtrak incurs. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, January 5, 2016 9:50 AM

Dakguy201

The copy of Amtrak's fee schedule for private cars I have indicates that an extra engine costs $4.25/mile, which would be a little more than $3900 one way for the City.  I can understand that being a deal breaker, but I don't understand why it was not anticipated by Pullman when setting their trip charges.

Given the opaque cost data Amtrak makes public -- and perhaps the situation is no better internally -- I wonder how that $4.25 relates to the costs Amtrak incurs. 

Considering what the IRS allows for automobile mileage - $4.25 per mile for a locomotive sounds very cheap.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, January 5, 2016 1:48 PM

If their gross margin per trip is so adversely effected by just $4000.00 each way.    They are operating on the razors edge.........in my opinion.    Their margin should be larger than that to be considered a profitable company.

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Tuesday, January 5, 2016 3:22 PM

Exactly, not easy to make money in the passenger business.

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