Just a discussion only on how to accomodate displaced passengers that cannot travel PHL - Trenton. Please go to general discussion to post about derailment.
1. SEPTA is running extra trains to West Trenton.
2. Is NJT running buses from West Trenton to Trenton ? That would seem to be a difficult but not immpossible way to travel NYP - PHL. SEPTA - Bus - Trenton - NJY to NYP.
3. If the West Trenton line to Newark was in service by NJT then a much more convient connection would have been available.
4. Deending on how long the track is out of service Amtrak may use the West Trenton line to ferry any train sets needed using Septa and CSX pilots
5. This accident just proves the need for the need for the old B&O route WASH - Newark to be available for passenger service.
blue streak 1 5. This accident just proves the need for the need for the old B&O route WASH - Newark to be available for passenger service.
Sounds good on paper but the B&O route doesn't have the capacity or the catenary to serve as a detour route.
There is also the possibility of a passenger using the RiverLine from Trenton to Camden and PATCO tl Philly.
Buslist There is also the possibility of a passenger using the RiverLine from Trenton to Camden and PATCO tl Philly.
River Line doesn't have the capacity for the traffic it is handling now....let alone Amtrak detour traffic.
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But if I had to make the trip in either direction, that is the route I would use as long as the NEC is out Phila-Trenton.
CSSHEGEWISCH Sounds good on paper but the B&O route doesn't have the capacity or the catenary to serve as a detour route.
There is no route with the NEC's capacity. But, you could ferry some trainsets - with diesels through Morrisville - onto the West Trenton Line at Woodbourne. Then, through the tunnel to 30th st, and back onto the NEC at Arsenal.
Or, go west on the Morrisville Line and down the connection to Norristown, then onto Abrams. Run around train, then NS Harrisburn Line to West Falls, the on to Zoo and 30th St.
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BaltACD Buslist There is also the possibility of a passenger using the RiverLine from Trenton to Camden and PATCO tl Philly. River Line doesn't have the capacity for the traffic it is handling now....let alone Amtrak detour traffic.
Obviously that is why I said a passenger could, as several friends did today, as opposed to suggesting it as a recommended detour route.
wanswheel In the old days, would the important Pennsy trains to D.C. and the South have been able to detour around the Amtrak crash site with diesels?
There was a route... Did the PRR do it? I don't know. The route would have been off at Trenton and onto what is now NJT's River Line, then over the Delair Br. and back onto the ML at Shore/Frankford Jct. The connection at Trenton has been gone for a while, although Conrail did use it from time to time. The connection at the Delair Br has been gone much longer - you can still make out the alignment on Google maps, though.
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In another thread on the accident, Gardendance (sp?) said PRR used the Trenton Cutoff to another branch that connected it with the Chestnut Hill branch. It was all electric, and double track, except for the single track connector branch (Fort Hill-Cresham). That single track branch is torn-up. and the Trenton Cutoff is de-energized and mostly single track.
Someone else mentioned using the Trenton cutoff (Morrisville to Woodbourne) to SEPTA's West Trenton line. Google Earth shows the Cutoff as still double track in this area, but you would need diesel or dual service locos for the gap.
Nobody has suggested the Harvard Row Team using the Intercoastal Waterway?
CMStPnPNobody has suggested the Harvard Row Team using the Intercoastal Waterway?
Does this tram proceed to an estuary? My hovercraft is full of eels.
And what is a 'Harvard Row Team' anyway? Is it supposed to have something to do with crew?
Wizlish CMStPnP Nobody has suggested the Harvard Row Team using the Intercoastal Waterway? Does this tram proceed to an estuary? My hovercraft is full of eels. And what is a 'Harvard Row Team' anyway? Is it supposed to have something to do with crew?
CMStPnP Nobody has suggested the Harvard Row Team using the Intercoastal Waterway?
This what I thought of at the mention of the "Harvard row team."
I don't think there would be room for many passengers in their shell--and I am not sure they would hold out all the way to Trenton.
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Deggesty Wizlish CMStPnP Nobody has suggested the Harvard Row Team using the Intercoastal Waterway? Does this tram proceed to an estuary? My hovercraft is full of eels. And what is a 'Harvard Row Team' anyway? Is it supposed to have something to do with crew? www.gocrimson.com/sports/mcrew-hw/index This what I thought of at the mention of the "Harvard row team."
www.gocrimson.com/sports/mcrew-hw/index
Yes. I was being sarcastic.
I'm still trying to figure out why the Harvard crew and not the Penn crew would be responsible for passengers in the Philadelphia area, even if 'Penn men' might not make the best oarsmen... or coxmen, as it were...
In all probability they would use the barge for pax, not one of the shells. It would not be a rapid trip. Or a particularly happy one for anyone concerned. On the other hand it would save each passenger over a thousand dollars in fare...
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