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How is the Pullman Service working on the City of NOLA?

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How is the Pullman Service working on the City of NOLA?
Posted by trackrat888 on Tuesday, March 24, 2015 6:54 PM

I have not heard many updates.. I was planing a trip but dont know whats going on.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:22 AM

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:43 AM

Its still in service and a great ride, rode them two years ago. Its not inexpensive but a good value for the money.

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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 11:50 AM

The Pullman CNOLA is strictly a land cruise.  Departure 1-2 times per month with a price tag of $1147 for a bedroom one way is certainly not much of a value.

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:37 PM

Guess it depends on what your looking for. The service was great, the equipment was good. Where else can you book a roomette or section? If you want cheap or ordinary I guess Amtrak or a subway is a possibility.

There are far more expensive land rail tours in Europe. So I guess it a matter of perspective and budget.

What can be said its almost the last of its kind  in north America with exception of via, which last time rode wasn't cheap or the service levels as high.

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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:58 PM

ROBERT WILLISON
Guess it depends on what your looking for. The service was great, the equipment was good. Where else can you book a roomette or section? If you want cheap or ordinary I guess Amtrak or a subway is a possibility.

Pretty snarky and inane comment.  You could ride elsewhere in the same train on Amtrak and book a family bedroom for $510, less than half the price.   Or fly, stay in a fine hotel and dine in a 5-star restaurant in NOLA for the same or less.   To compare Amtrak to a subway is simply silly. And one could take the CNL night train in a deluxe compartment for 289 Euro ($318) from Munich to Venice.

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:14 PM

Not a snarky response nothing you mentioned is a " land tour" look a little deeper.  You pay for what you get. You can   find quite a few exceptional rail land tour in Europe.

I may not be correct but I think via is offering thier new service at like 3000.00  from Toronto to Vancouver. I'll do a little digging on my own.

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:27 PM

Via prestige class  Toronto to Vancouver for 2, a August 12 departure, just 7300 and change in Canadian dollars. Thier are certainly are modes of transportation between those two points, but your not buying transportation but an experience. Is it a value? It based on budget and perspective. In my book, Pullman was a value, maybe not for others. I enjoyed both the service the experience  and another night in a 10/6 sleeper.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:26 PM

Pullman's website indicates they make a weekly round trip.

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Posted by V.Payne on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:44 PM

That is correct, they run weekly each way to serve the weekend market. I have seen anywhere from 2-5 cars. A full dome was on last week. I had the best travel experience I have ever had on board in 2014.

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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:50 PM

MidlandMike

Pullman's website indicates they make a weekly round trip.

 

Reading the Pullman website linked, trains depart Chicago:

Apr. 2 and 23; May 14; June 18; July 16, 23, 30; Aug. 13, 20, 27 and weekly mostly the remainder of the year.

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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 8:59 PM

ROBERT WILLISON

Not a snarky response nothing you mentioned is a " land tour" look a little deeper.  You pay for what you get. You can   find quite a few exceptional rail land tour in Europe.

I may not be correct but I think via is offering thier new service at like 3000.00  from Toronto to Vancouver. I'll do a little digging on my own.

 

To compare riding the same daily train on Amtrak to a subway ride is not snarky, it's ridiculous. But you are correct, the Pullman CoNOLA is not a land cruise, just an overnight train, which might be fine for you, but which many would consider overpriced compared with the quality of the alternatives.   As for Europe, I never have needed to partake of group package tours nor would I want to.

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:33 AM

Sorry if you thought my comment was what you considered shady. I just wanted to drive home the point that value is driven by perception. One man's subway ride is another mans ride on Pullman. Pullman ride might be compared to a transatlantic flight. Why do some feel the need to up grade from coach to first class spending 1000's more?  Coach gets you thier, but first class is  a value some are willing to spend for a bettrt trip and a good nights rest.

Pullman on that route works for me, must work for others since its still in service.

I hope I made this snark free.

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Posted by V.Payne on Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:55 PM

Weekly vs. "Apr. 2 and 23; May 14; June 18..."

I am fairly sure those dates quoted by another poster are the dates when rooms are still available. In other words rooms are sold out on other dates near to departure. They use a demand based system. The 4/2/2015 departure pricing for example is higher than the base pricing.

They have weekly schedule loaded in the reservation system till 12/2016.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, March 27, 2015 6:56 AM

The service may not be a land cruise, but a weekly schedule suggests that it is obviously aimed at the tourist trade and not the business traveler.  It would also be interesting to consider how much of a moneymaker this service would be if Iowa Pacific had to provide its own power and operating crews instead of contracting with Amtrak to move a number of private cars between Chicago and New Orleans on a scheduled train.

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Posted by PNWRMNM on Friday, March 27, 2015 7:32 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH

It would also be interesting to consider how much of a moneymaker this service would be if Iowa Pacific had to provide its own power and operating crews instead of contracting with Amtrak to move a number of private cars between Chicago and New Orleans on a scheduled train.

 

 

Power and crewsare relatively easy. Access is the hard part particularly if the operator, unlike ATK has to pay market price for it.

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Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Friday, March 27, 2015 9:06 AM

It wouldn't make a profit. Ic couldn't do with the panama ltd and Amtrak can't do with the city of new Orleans.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, March 28, 2015 10:12 PM

schlimm

 

 
MidlandMike

Pullman's website indicates they make a weekly round trip.

 

 

 

Reading the Pullman website linked, trains depart Chicago:

Apr. 2 and 23; May 14; June 18; July 16, 23, 30; Aug. 13, 20, 27 and weekly mostly the remainder of the year.

 

As another poster indicated, the weeks not listed were sold out.  Ed Ellis also confirms this in another recent Fred Fraley blog where he indicated that most recent trips were sold out.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, March 28, 2015 10:22 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH

The service may not be a land cruise, but a weekly schedule suggests that it is obviously aimed at the tourist trade and not the business traveler.  It would also be interesting to consider how much of a moneymaker this service would be if Iowa Pacific had to provide its own power and operating crews instead of contracting with Amtrak to move a number of private cars between Chicago and New Orleans on a scheduled train.

 

I don't know if it would be attractive to the average businessman, however, I understand there is considerable activity in businesses reserving blocks of rooms for conferences.  It seems I also heard that IPH must pay toward an extra engine.  They also have a Pullman Conductor.

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Posted by schlimm on Sunday, March 29, 2015 3:46 PM

MidlandMike

 

 
CSSHEGEWISCH

The service may not be a land cruise, but a weekly schedule suggests that it is obviously aimed at the tourist trade and not the business traveler.  It would also be interesting to consider how much of a moneymaker this service would be if Iowa Pacific had to provide its own power and operating crews instead of contracting with Amtrak to move a number of private cars between Chicago and New Orleans on a scheduled train.

 

 

 

I don't know if it would be attractive to the average businessman, however, I understand there is considerable activity in businesses reserving blocks of rooms for conferences.  It seems I also heard that IPH must pay toward an extra engine.  They also have a Pullman Conductor.

 

A once a week train is, by defintion, not designed for a business traveller.  Neither is the price likely to meet approval by the bean counters

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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, March 29, 2015 9:35 PM

schlimm

 

 
MidlandMike

 

 
 

I don't know if it would be attractive to the average businessman, however, I understand there is considerable activity in businesses reserving blocks of rooms for conferences.  It seems I also heard that IPH must pay toward an extra engine.  They also have a Pullman Conductor.

 

 

 

A once a week train is, by defintion, not designed for a business traveller.  Neither is the price likely to meet approval by the bean counters

 

As I pointed out, this is not for the average business trip.  I'm sure that group sales don't pay the rack rate.  Executive business junkets seem to get a pass by bean counters, just like company leased suites at sports stadiums.

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Posted by Dakguy201 on Monday, March 30, 2015 5:34 AM

MidlandMike

 <snip> It seems I also heard that IPH must pay toward an extra engine.

 

 
The basic charge for private car(s) is $2.75/mile for the first car and $2.10 for each additional car.  If the private cars require another engine be added to the train, that is an additional $4.25/mile.  There are also charges for parking at terminals, emptying the retention tank, washing the car and many others.  I don't know if IP gets a volume discount.
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Posted by V.Payne on Monday, March 30, 2015 7:52 PM

It is clear that the Pullman operation is doing quite well in helping Amtrak.

In incremental fuel (about 1/6 gallon a mile) and trackage rates, it costs about $0.60/carmile to haul a car. So NRPC is netting more than $3000/trip (4x variable cost) assuming the smallest consist or $1/3 million a year.

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