Anyone with confirmation ? Find it strange no other report ?Now is reported on news wire.
http://www.thv11.com/story/news/local/2014/10/16/passenger-train-freight-train-collide-in-northwest-arkansas/17358277/
News wire now reports it is an A&M freight and passenger train.
The passenger train was carrying tourists on a sight-seeing trip, known as an "excursion train," operated by Arkansas & Missouri Railroad.
An official from the county told the station that the passenger train, which left from Springdale and en route to Van Buren, a 134-mile trip, stalled and the other train was sent to assist. But somehow the assisting train collided with the stalled one,
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/us/arkansas-train-collison/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BaltACD http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/us/arkansas-train-collison/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
What is the maximum number of leaves allowed on a track?
Johnny
Deggesty BaltACD http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/us/arkansas-train-collison/index.html?hpt=hp_t4 from the news story-- "The trains collided Thursday morning when the passenger train stalled on a small grade, apparently because of excess leaves on the track, according to police." What is the maximum number of leaves allowed on a track?
from the news story-- "The trains collided Thursday morning when the passenger train stalled on a small grade, apparently because of excess leaves on the track, according to police."
Less than the amount required to stall.
Thanks; now I can sleep tonight.
Deggesty Thanks; now I can sleep tonight.
There is no 'set amount' that will trigger a train to stall account leaves on the track. Normally dry leaves won't present a problem. Wet leaves are a different story. The surrounding terrain creates the conditions that make a particular area suseptable to leaf problems. Normal areas are cuts surrounded by forests on both sides of the right of way. The cut creates a natural repository for the falling leaves. As long as there is a steady parade of traffic over the territory, leaves don't present much of a problem (except when you are dealing with light rail or similar kinds of vehicles and they will have trouble with their braking distances).
Where this accident happend, I suspect, the traffic was at best two trains daily and maybe not even that.
I feel certain when the final report comes out it will state something to the effect 'We had a failure to accurately communicate and understand the position of the stalled train'.
Actually, Balt, I was referring to what I considered a misuse of the word, "excess," which implied that the user knew just how many leaves were just enough, and, perhaps, one leaf more was the leaf that made the locomotive slip--and many more made it stall.
You made an excellent statement about the problem posed by leaves on the track. When I walk for exercise, I walk as fast as I am able, given the terrain--and I watch for such things as wet leaves, and take care about them. Several years ago, I was walking on a sidewalk with new-fallen snow--until I stepped on a spot with ice from the previous snow beneath the new snow, and came to grief. I was about 3/4 of a mile from home, but I did make it home.
NJ Transits 'leaf defense'
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